I have decided to sell the spacing sleeve that comes with the Jigmaster 500 gear set. A lot of people are very interested in it.
So far, this spacing sleeve will fit Jigmaster 500/501 (not 500S), 112H, Squidder, Surmaster, BayMaster and other smaller PENN reels.
This item can be purchased from my online store www.mkt.com/pro-challenger-LLC (http://www.mkt.com/pro-challenger-LLC).
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Length available:
It is $3.75 + $0.15 shipping each. For any order for less than 3 sleeves, $1.93 will be added.
Alan,
So this is a 'chromed brass' part?
Have you considered looking into the possibility of producing 'Delron' spacing sleeves, upper gear/drag stack washers and/or top hats for the senators?
Not sure what the machining constraints would be here?
Just a thought.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on September 30, 2014, 07:08:32 PM
Alan,
So this is a 'chromed brass' part?
Have you considered looking into the possibility of producing 'Delron' spacing sleeves, upper gear/drag stack washers and/or top hats for the senators?
Not sure what the machining constraints would be here?
Just a thought.
No, not yet. We will check when time comes.
By the way, few members have contacted me about this sleeve. They told me that it really helps the reel while cranking. They like it a lot.
Hey Alan, for us not informed types, maybe a description of why a person would have a need for this item? I have an idea, but not sure. Thanks.
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 01, 2014, 05:11:19 PM
Hey Alan, for us not informed types, maybe a description of why a person would have a need for this item? I have an idea, hut not sure. Thanks.
While we were R&D the JigMaster 500 5:1 gear set, we found out that the original sleeve had a lot of room in play. By making the ID thicker than the original one, it make a reel feels much tighter and line up the pinion and main gears much better.
I think that Sal might have more to say about it.
Not Alan, but I'll try to give you an explanation. If you have a Jigmaster or any other smaller reels as the surfmasters, baymasters and so on, you will notice that the stock spacer is smaller than the hole on the plate. If you move the handle in and out, you will see the gear sleeve move back and forth. I don't mean turning the handle, I mean pulling it a little, this is what happens when the gears are under load. The excessive flexing will help with the shredding of the gears, a power handle will help it some more.
From some of the testing, we've noticed that the custom gears on the Jigmasters are doing good, using the larger custom spacer sleeve.
I like them so much that I'm also using them in my smaller reels, not just the Jigmasters.
Sal
Ok now I have a reason to buy. I was completely wrong, I was thinking it had something to do with the drag stack height.
If I might offer some advice, a good description will sell more of these. I am like a thousand others that went to the site and thought I didn't need it. Only because I was wrong about it's use.
All your effort and skill applied and then sitting in storage unused, won't help the customer, or you to recoup your investment.
Seriously, if these fit both my 501's and Squidders and my Surfmaster 100, I need (5) because I see my need.
Thanks to both of you. Sal, I sent you a pm but I answered my own question when looking at my Surf' 100.
Alan, I cannot get my touchpad to work to order online. I put (5) in my basket, signed up, but could never find a link to pay.
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 01, 2014, 07:34:13 PM
Ok now I have a reason to buy. I was completely wrong, I was thinking it had something to do with the drag stack height.
If I might offer some advice, a good description will sell more of these. I am like a thousand others that went to the site and thought I didn't need it. Only because I was wrong about it's use.
All your effort and skill applied and then sitting in storage unused, won't help the customer, or you to recoup your investment.
Seriously, if these fit both my 501's and Squidders and my Surfmaster 100, I need (5) because I see my need.
Thanks to both of you. Sal, I sent you a pm but I answered my own question when looking at my Surf' 100.
Alan, I cannot get my touchpad to work to order online. I put (5) in my basket, signed up, but could never find a link to pay.
Hi,
Please go ahead and send me your email address, and I will issue an invoice to you via PayPal.
Also, please let me know if you live in FL.
Thanks,
Alan
Just ordered 4 of the spacing sleeves to try out. I understand and can visualize what you're saying, Sal.
Nice explanation... thank you,
Dom
Alan, sent you an email address for paypal. I do not live in Florida.
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 03, 2014, 01:49:16 AM
Alan, sent you an email address for paypal. I do not live in Florida.
Your invoice was sent via Payal.
Thanks,
--Alan
Received. Very snug fit.
However I had no luck using them, and don't know how to correct the result when I installed them. I also ended up with less than 1/2 of a turn drag range on one of the reels.
Alto Mare (Sal) probably could fix it quick but I don't want to tinker that much. Thanks anyway. Great idea.
NOTE** I edited because of the incorrect use of 'freespool'. I meant that when in gear, spun the handle and let go, it would turn maybe a turn and a half and stop. Like the brakes were on.
I am completely open to any advice.
I ordered two sleeves, one for my 49 and one for my daughter's 60. The 60 works perfect but the 49 had to be forced in and the handle would not spin freely. It feels like the reel is under load. Looks like the O.D is slightly to wide for the 49 and I'm not sure how to correct that.
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 11, 2014, 12:25:53 AM
Received. Very snug fit.
However I had no luck using them, and don't know how to correct the result when I installed them. I also ended up with less than 1/2 of a turn drag range on one of the reels.
Alto Mare (Sal) probably could fix it quick but I don't want to tinker that much. Thanks anyway. Great idea.
NOTE** I edited because of the incorrect use of 'freespool'. I meant that when in gear, and spun the handle, it would turn maybe a turn and a half and stop. Like the brakes were on.
I am completely open to any advice.
Its suppose to be a snug fit. Helps with "tilting" and "flexing" of the gear sleeve that way. I'm slightly confused what you mean when you spin the handle it would stop. As in spin the handle while not touching it? If so that is due to how snug the fit is and it may seem slightly stiff just depends on reel by reel and make sure it is well greased. I had that on one reel and just have to wearing the new spacer and should be fine. Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: cwillis85 on November 11, 2014, 01:24:56 AM
I ordered two sleeves, one for my 49 and one for my daughter's 60. The 60 works perfect but the 49 had to be forced in and the handle would not spin freely. It feels like the reel is under load. Looks like the O.D is slightly to wide for the 49 and I'm not sure how to correct that.
Alan C. wont recommend this but I had that issue as well actually and just sanded down the OD a little. But it removes the chrome finish so just have to make sure it is well greased.
You want it snug or it wouldn't do what it's intended to, keep in mind, It will get lose as you use it. Now, if the handle is really hard to turn, that's a different story, but that would also make it hard for you from applying drag and release, as you turn the star. I want to mention that I have some of these in a couple of dozen reels, I did have to shave some for height, but as for not being able to turn the handle, it hasn't happen to me.
With mine you are right Sal, it is so snug that when I tighten the drag the sleeve stays down tight and wont allow the drag to loosen, I had to work the sleeve out with pliers.
Clarification: When I would spin the handle and let go, it would stop quickly.
The handle will turn as you crank as though it has brakes slightly applied.
I feel bad that Alan is making a fine product and people like me that are lower tier tinkerers are unable to use it properly. I want it to work just as much as he does. I applaud his efforts to please us all.
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 11, 2014, 02:14:02 AM
Clarification: When I would spin the handle and let go, it would stop quickly.
The handle will turn as you crank as though it has brakes slightly applied.
I feel bad that Alan is making a fine product and people like me that are lower tier tinkerers are unable to use it properly. I want it to work just as much as he does. I applaud his efforts to please us all.
That is what I am facing when I am making a custom parts. Everything is all good. I am just trying my best not to have too many negative feedback.
I hope I don't come off as being negative about the sleeves, one works perfect in the 60 and it is obvious that my 49 has a slightly smaller I.D where the sleeve slides in, probably why penn used such an undersized sleeve in the first place. These sleeves look great and seem built great, just not fitting in my 49 as is. I'm not afraid to make an adjustment if needed but was hoping to get proper advice on what to do to make it fit before I mess something up. Thanks for what you are putting out here for us Alan.
Quote from: cwillis85 on November 11, 2014, 11:09:07 AM
I hope I don't come off as being negative about the sleeves, one works perfect in the 60 and it is obvious that my 49 has a slightly smaller I.D where the sleeve slides in, probably why penn used such an undersized sleeve in the first place. These sleeves look great and seem built great, just not fitting in my 49 as is. I'm not afraid to make an adjustment if needed but was hoping to get proper advice on what to do to make it fit before I mess something up. Thanks for what you are putting out here for us Alan.
Good or Bad, everyone's input is important, that's what brings a great product. I have a full Accurate Jigmaster conversion and two weeks ago someone sent me the same reel claiming that Alan's spacer didn't fit. He was right, I tried my spacers and his plate opening was tighter than mine. I reduced the OD and all is good now.
You will lose the chrome when you do that, but a little grease there would make it happy.
Penn early spacers where not chromed and did just fine. Those guys didn't have what we have today and weren't as crazy as we are about maintenance. ;D
Sal
Custom parts are just custom parts. When you try to install custom parts in something that isn't custom, you may have to adjust either the custom part or the stock part.
Nothing surprising here. In this case it may be fixed by either reducing the OD of the sleeve or opening up the diameter of the chrome sleeve in the reel a little bit.
Both are easy tasks.
The other way around, increasing the OD of the sleeve or reducing the ID of the chromed sleeve in the reel is a bit more difficult. :-)
Isn't it just easier to open up the hole in the plate & that way you don't lose the chrome plating?? RUDY
Quote from: RowdyW on November 12, 2014, 04:03:06 AM
Isn't it just easier to open up the hole in the plate & that way you don't lose the chrome plating?? RUDY
It's actually my accurate reel Sal is talking about. Btw, thanks Sal for everything you did an awesome job and the reel is running smooth.
Rudy you can open the whole of the plate but being a accuplate I thought it better if Sal could reduce the OD of the sleeve for me instead. As Sal said with grease and maintaince the brass showing isn't really an issue.
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on November 12, 2014, 04:15:06 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on November 12, 2014, 04:03:06 AM
Isn't it just easier to open up the hole in the plate & that way you don't lose the chrome plating?? RUDY
It's actually my accurate reel Sal is talking about. Btw, thanks Sal for everything you did an awesome job and the reel is running smooth.
Rudy you can open the whole of the plate but being a accuplate I thought it better if Sal could reduce the OD of the sleeve for me instead. As Sal said with grease and maintaince the brass showing isn't really an issue.
Small world Jason, you keep your gear nice ;).
Sal
Quote from: Black Pearl on November 11, 2014, 03:03:45 AM
That is what I am facing when I am making a custom parts. Everything is all good. I am just trying my best not to have too many negative feedback.
Chui,
You just keep doing what you are doing. You have brought us some epic upgrades. I have guys asking me to upgrade their reels with your parts and they are very satisfied and so am I! ;)
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 12, 2014, 05:18:29 AM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on November 12, 2014, 04:15:06 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on November 12, 2014, 04:03:06 AM
Isn't it just easier to open up the hole in the plate & that way you don't lose the chrome plating?? RUDY
It's actually my accurate reel Sal is talking about. Btw, thanks Sal for everything you did an awesome job and the reel is running smooth.
Rudy you can open the whole of the plate but being a accuplate I thought it better if Sal could reduce the OD of the sleeve for me instead. As Sal said with grease and maintaince the brass showing isn't really an issue.
Small world Jason, you keep your gear nice ;).
Sal
Small world in the reel had community lol! Thanks I try my best!
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 12, 2014, 06:17:23 AM
Quote from: Black Pearl on November 11, 2014, 03:03:45 AM
That is what I am facing when I am making a custom parts. Everything is all good. I am just trying my best not to have too many negative feedback.
Chui,
You just keep doing what you are doing. You have brought us some epic upgrades. I have guys asking me to upgrade their reels with your parts and they are very satisfied and so am I! ;)
x2
Wanted to revisit this thread to say; I have reduced the height on the spacer by rotating it on a flat sheet of sandpaper until I reduced it by 1/16th per Sal. My issues are gone and my reel works as intended. That's alot of sanding by hand.
If you aren't a crybaby (like me) you can make it work, and work it does.
Thanks Alan & Sal.
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 25, 2014, 01:59:01 AM
Wanted to revisit this thread to say; I have reduced the height on the spacer by rotating it on a flat sheet of sandpaper until I reduced it by 1/16th per Sal. My issues are gone and my reel works as intended. That's alot of sanding by hand.
If you aren't a crybaby (like me) you can make it work, and work it does.
Thanks Alan & Sal.
I'm glad you got it to work. We're getting different sizes, it has been a while, maybe they'll be here soon. :-\
I have 2 I have to grind down to fit I have a small bench grinder I'll give it a try and see how it goes Doug
What length is recommended for use w/ a 500 jigmaster, fitted with the new ProChallenger gear set, and Brian's drag stack?
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 04, 2014, 02:36:49 AM
What length is recommended for use w/ a 500 jigmaster, fitted with the new ProChallenger gear set, and Brian's drag stack?
That is hard to tell because the PENN and Accurate sideplate measurements are not consistence. I think it is better to have Sal to answer your question.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 04, 2014, 02:36:49 AM
What length is recommended for use w/ a 500 jigmaster, fitted with the new ProChallenger gear set, and Brian's drag stack?
Alan's first run were made the same as the original Jigmaster's sleeve, 12.5mm in length. Using the (3) drag stack should always work, but we now have (5) drag stack and some use a heavier belleville, I myself prefer to use the standard tension spring on my Jigmasters and smaller reels. The 12.5mm should work on most, but on some it will need to be shaved a little. Plate opening and height is not consistent on all reels, this is the reason Alan decided to make additional sizes for us.
It is a good idea for you to grab a couple of each, unless you don't mind shaving a little off when needed to.
Sal
I'll get the longer one, and may just sand it down a bit (both height and OD) to make it fit the accurate side plates. Guess I'll be going with the 4:1 gear set as well.
You might get away with the OD, Those fit perfectly on my Accurate, but didn't fit on another. I wonder it the anodizing color had something to do with it :-\, it was very little. My accurate is silver the one that didn't fit was black...you never know.
Good call on the 4:1 gears those are the ones I requested from the get go. To bad most don't realize what they've been offered here, this might be a one shot deal.
Just a reminder that these spacing sleeves can fit in a lot of smaller penn reels.
Please try to measure the one you have before you order them.
It is a very cheap and very good upgrade for the PENN reels.
Alan I just put them into 2 surfmasters a 100 and a 150. A very tight fit but all the handle slop is gone , a good improvement Thanks for making these available Doug
A few bucks could do wonders to those reels, I have them in all the ones that I fish with. Gradually, all will have them.
Alan! Did you get my PM ?
Marc..
Quote from: Marcq on March 06, 2015, 01:16:24 AM
Alan! Did you get my PM ?
Marc..
Oh yes. I will send an invoice to you
Thanks Alan your da man!! 8)
Marc..
Well I just spent an entire day working on jigmasters. I cobbled together a red 501 but had to steal screws and chrome ring off a full size 500 to finish. I added one of Alans' original sleeves but have to go back and shorten it, as again it resulted in a constantly applied drag. I will do the trim tomorrow. (Or maybe order the short versions he's producing now). EDIT: 5/3 Trimmed the spacer length today and the reel is working like a champ and feels solid.
But the reason I was posting to this thread...I was also working on a 506 I had traded for on Bloody Decks. I had no idea that the sleeves don't work on a 506 sideplate. The opening is way too small. I hope someday we have ones for the 506 too.
I noticed that to about the 506. You just have to widen the openning in the side plate and it will fight nicely
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on May 03, 2015, 05:59:41 AM
I noticed that to about the 506. You just have to widen the openning in the side plate and it will fight nicely
You sure could if you wanted to, but on the 505/506, I don't believe its needed.
Just ordered (4) more. I have two Squidders and a Surfmaster to upgrade.
I was truly amazed at how sloppy the Surfmaster handle is without one of these sleeves.
I am a convert for sure. I will say out of the previous (five) 12.5 sleeves, only one was used with out shaving it down.
I lay my belt sander sideways and ziiiiiiiiiip, done! You have to keep checking it on a flat surface as you go.
I tried to order one of the spacers yesterday but after making the payment I received a response in my e-mail later in the day that the order was canceled with no other explanation, I called the number on the receipt and left a message yesterday, waiting to here an answer form them.
Joe
Quote from: Reel 224 on August 18, 2015, 02:12:22 PM
I tried to order one of the spacers yesterday but after making the payment I received a response in my e-mail later in the day that the order was canceled with no other explanation, I called the number on the receipt and left a message yesterday, waiting to here an answer form them.
Joe
Hi Joe,
I did leave a reason message when I canceled your order. The min qty for this item is two. I can't just sell one when the shipping is $2.04 + credit card fee.
I did see your order came in about few mins ago. I will ship that out to you later today.
Thanks,
Alan
Quote from: Black Pearl on August 18, 2015, 05:09:16 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on August 18, 2015, 02:12:22 PM
I tried to order one of the spacers yesterday but after making the payment I received a response in my e-mail later in the day that the order was canceled with no other explanation, I called the number on the receipt and left a message yesterday, waiting to here an answer form them.
Joe
Hi Joe,
I did leave a reason message when I canceled your order. The min qty for this item is two. I can't just sell one when the shipping is $2.04 + credit card fee.
I did see your order came in about few mins ago. I will ship that out to you later today.
Thanks,
Alan
Alan: I do apologize for my over site, when I saw the explanation again today I felt like an Azz but I corrected my order as you know. Sorry!
Joe
Quote from: Reel 224 on August 18, 2015, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Black Pearl on August 18, 2015, 05:09:16 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on August 18, 2015, 02:12:22 PM
I tried to order one of the spacers yesterday but after making the payment I received a response in my e-mail later in the day that the order was canceled with no other explanation, I called the number on the receipt and left a message yesterday, waiting to here an answer form them.
Joe
Hi Joe,
I did leave a reason message when I canceled your order. The min qty for this item is two. I can't just sell one when the shipping is $2.04 + credit card fee.
I did see your order came in about few mins ago. I will ship that out to you later today.
Thanks,
Alan
Alan: I do apologize for my over site, when I saw the explanation again today I felt like an Azz but I corrected my order as you know. Sorry!
Joe
No problem. We are all good.
Thanks,
Alan
Quote from: MeL B on August 19, 2015, 07:44:41 PM
are the jigmaster spacers out of stock? having problem with your online store.
No, it is working. What is the problem you are having?
Quote from: MeL B on August 21, 2015, 01:35:13 PM
Alan C., my online order went thru yesterday.
Hi Mel,
You order is going to be shipped out this afternoon.
Thanks,
--Alan
Got mine today also and installed both of them in my reels, Tightened the handle up and made them feel solid as a rock. Thank you Alan C.
Joe
Are you kidding! Those spacers hadn't left the mail mans hands more then two minutes when I was already taking my Surfmaster 200 handle off and starting to unscrew the star drag. ;D As soon as the parts get here for the 500 Ill be working on it before the Cal. air gets a chance to settle off of them. ;D ;D ;)
Joe
I was wondering if this spacer will fit in a magnum jigmaster I am assuming not because the 4/0 gear sleeve is larger than the 500 jigmaster gear sleeve
Quote from: Fishamen7 on November 01, 2016, 05:59:35 AM
I was wondering if this spacer will fit in a magnum jigmaster I am assuming not because the 4/0 gear sleeve is larger than the 500 jigmaster gear sleeve
You are correct. It will not fit.