Hello,
Sorry if I'm asking a question that's been answered already. I've looked all over and can't find what the width of the under gear delrin washer should be. I have a 113h with the ht-100 drag setup. I would be replacing Penn part 4-349. Could someone please let me know? Thanks in advance for the feedback and thanks to everyone posting all this useful info on here.
-Jeremy
Hello Jeremy, the Delrin/Acetal is still a new product here, well not to me, but to many yes.
I usually cut them 1/8" smaller than the main gear OD. Some believe that they will interfere with the dogs, I personally don't.
I actually believe they help.
Good luck!
Sal
Thanks for the quick reply, Sal. I've read few of your blogs about the delrin washer and you definitely have me intrigued. I may have phrased my question wrong. I think I should have asked what the height of the washers are. I followed a link you had posted on an earlier post to the McMaster website: http://www.mcmaster.com/#acetal-homopolymer-sheets/=waywpt. There are many different heights available. Which one would be closest to replacing 4-349. I was also wondering if grease should be applied to the delrin before installing? Thank again.
Jeremy, the .31" gets you close to the original, but the .20" lowers the gear a little, a good thing is you want a little more travel with the star. The size difference is so little that it really doesn't matter much, it's just personal preference.
Try these:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#2636T14
Just as good as the Black, but might be a little easier to punch or cut. I like them both, Black and Brown.
Sal
Excellent! Thank you. I'm a newbie so I'm sure I'll be asking some more questions in the future.
Cheers!
Sal - not to be picky but - shouldn't that read .013" and .020" ;)
Whoops that should have read .031" ::)
Not picky at all, you are correct .031" and .020".
Thanks for correcting me ;).
Sal
JC, the term is thick.
Tiddler, Yes, .031" (.87mm) and .020" (.6mm) thick...think metric.
I've been cutting some washers the major OD and some the minor OD of the gear sleeve and so far have not seen problems with restricting the AR dogs. I put 3 .020" (.6mm) Delrin washers in my narrowed 113H and the washer between the star and the spacer makes the star turn much smoother/easier.
Since this thread is mainly about Delrin I have to mention my Newell experience. Even though .031" thick delrin is close to original, I find that using the .020" thick delrin under the gear and on top of the stack allows for a nice fit with the system binding on the side plate. The OD that I use successfully is the same OD as the Drag Washer and have no dog problem with this size.
I think this kind of follows Sal's experiences.
Properly made AR dogs are thinner than the "gear" of a gear sleeve and there is plenty of clearance. I tried to bind AR dogs with delrin washers but failed every time.
Lee -it seems to be my day for corrections ::)
.031"=.79mm
.020=.51
Both rounded to 2 decimal places.
I rounded the other direction and missed up on the .020". I hate conversion, think metric. To be correct (I cheated and looked it up) .020=.508mm and .035"=.889mm.
I still work in both systems but I prefer metric - it's more straight forward
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on March 14, 2015, 02:35:22 PM
I still work in both systems but I prefer metric - it's more straight forward
1000 is much easier than 5280.
Quote from: Keta on March 14, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
JC, the term is thick.
Tiddler, Yes, .031" (.87mm) and .020" (.6mm) thick...think metric.
I've been cutting some washers the major OD and some the minor OD of the gear sleeve and so far have not seen problems with restricting the AR dogs. I put 3 .020" (.6mm) Delrin washers in my narrowed 113H and the washer between the star and the spacer makes the star turn much smoother/easier.
So Lee, three delrin washers in there? 1- under the main gear(same size as the drag washer??) 2- on top of the drag stack( minor OD??) 3- between the star and spacer(OD???). Are you also doing this same config. On smaller penn's.?? Like say the jigmasters and 112H's. Just wanting to know I'm in the process of updating to delrin in all my reels.
Dwight, thanks for the info on the Newell's. I'm also going through all my Newell's at this time. What OD and how many??
Thanks guys,
Bob
I'm out of the smaller washers but that's the current plan.
Lee -1000 is also easier than 1760 :D
Quote from: Keta on March 14, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
I'm out of the smaller washers but that's the current plan.
Do you gain anything if the washer under the star is a larger OD? Or is it sufficient to have say...a 1mm larger than the spacer OD. And I know Sal was using the Belleville type delrin on top of the drag stack on the jigmaster/112H sets. Have you tried this washer on the 113h and larger penn's??just wondering??
Quote from: BMITCH on March 14, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Keta on March 14, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
JC, the term is thick.
Tiddler, Yes, .031" (.87mm) and .020" (.6mm) thick...think metric.
I've been cutting some washers the major OD and some the minor OD of the gear sleeve and so far have not seen problems with restricting the AR dogs. I put 3 .020" (.6mm) Delrin washers in my narrowed 113H and the washer between the star and the spacer makes the star turn much smoother/easier.
So Lee, three delrin washers in there? 1- under the main gear(same size as the drag washer??) 2- on top of the drag stack( minor OD??) 3- between the star and spacer(OD???). Are you also doing this same config. On smaller penn's.?? Like say the jigmasters and 112H's. Just wanting to know I'm in the process of updating to delrin in all my reels.
Dwight, thanks for the info on the Newell's. I'm also going through all my Newell's at this time. What OD and how many??
Thanks guys,
Bob
I use the same OD as the 300 series drag washers on all Newells for the delrin.
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on March 14, 2015, 04:59:34 PM
Lee -1000 is also easier than 1760 :D
Yup....but I don't convert.
Quote from: BMITCH on March 14, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
Do you gain anything if the washer under the star is a larger OD? Or is it sufficient to have say...a 1mm larger than the spacer OD. And I know Sal was using the Belleville type Delrin on top of the drag stack on the jigmaster/112H sets. Have you tried this washer on the 113h and larger penn's??just wondering??
I only had 1 of the Delrin Bellville washers and it was for type A gearsleeve, it's in a Mag 210 I'm using this year for Chinook. On reels from the 113H and up I think metal Bellville washers work well and will keep them.
As of now the Delrin washers under the stars of my 113H and 349H are all full size but some with the "proper" OD are being cut.
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 14, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Jeremy, the .31" gets you close to the original, but the .20" lowers the gear a little, a good thing is you want a little more travel with the star. The size difference is so little that it really doesn't matter much, it's just personal preference.
Try these:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#2636T14
Just as good as the Black, but might be a little easier to punch or cut. I like them both, Black and Brown.
Sal
I'm with Sal on this one. I find the brown to be muucchh smoother and it has a more wear resistant surface.
Thanks for the input guy's. Off to cut some washers ;)
would someone explain me without been much technical, the difference on using delrin washer or CF washer under the main gear
I understand one acts like bearing and CF as friction
but didnt we want friction there to help the main drag stack?
This was explained before. The best answer I could give you is for you to try to compare the two and let us know your results. I don't mean testing by turning the handle, go fish with it.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 02, 2015, 08:02:50 PM
This was explained before. ...
Well I like to learn theory before practice, so I know What to expect on my field test.
Could you Link a thread Where to read about That comparation.?
I really searched before asking here but no goal
Research is nice but don't always give the full story. The bottom line, you need to like it after using it.
The information on Delrin is all over the place, try this, it should give you an idea:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=11443.msg110694#msg110694
I have fished with the Delrin in my reels and I can definitely say that it makes the reel much smoother, especially under stress.
Sal
that thread looks full of good info, thanks Sal.
alex
SmoothDrag has a bunch of Delrin washer available I Newell and Penn reel sizes. Very reasonable. Send her a message and I'm sure she can help you out.