Hey all,
Posted this question in the Penn section and realize I should have posted here. I have a Penn 113H (standard size not narrow) that I would like to use for trolling with 60/80# and do some bottom fishing with? I would like to install a ss gear set in this particular reel. I dont know if ss gears are available for the standard gear ratio (approx 3.2:1), however I can get 4:! gears. Question: What gear ratio should I choose, will 4:! be too much for what I want to do?
Thanx,
Leo
FOr trolling and bottom fishing, I'd go low. The standard ratio should work great ;). I know the new 4/0's come w. SS pinions, but I don't know of a standard SS set, I'm afraid.
The4:1 is not a whole lot faster, it will be fine. It's only an extra 3/4 spool turn. There a steel 3:25.1 man gears that were produced a while ago. And SS ones in the a aniversary reels
It's only an extra 3/4 spool turn.
The 4:1 may not be a whole lot faster, but its still harder to turn the handle when winching up a nice grouper, or something of that nature. If Im bottom fishing, I go as low as I can. He could use the 4:1 gears, but the standard ratio would, I believe, be better suited to the task.
get Lee's power arm for the 4/0 will work perfectly with 4:1 ratio. if you need it faster just turn that handle like you'll lose the fish. ;) ;D
I have 113s in 4:1, 3.25:1 (both 113H narrow), 2:1 (113) and an almost finished 2.5:1 (113/66 hybrid narrow using a 66 spool, bridge and gears);D. I have used the stock 3.25:1 and my Newell geared 4:1 for pacific halibut and don't have problems cranking them up....I do have slightly longer handle arms on all of these reels.
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Keta, is the 113h a bushing reel? Sweet handles. Back to the question: yes, there probably isn't much of a difference, but he did ask which is better.
"What gear ratio should I choose"
So in short, the answer is that both would work fine, but the standard ratio would be easier, not by much, but still easier. Am I wrong?
Bearings.
I don't notice much difference in effort but it takes less time to reel in 4lb sinkers from 700' with the 4:1 gears. I wouldn't use anything much higher than 4:1 for Pacific halibut even with the longer handles.
Lee/guys,
Thanx guys for your help. I was thinking of 4:1 if I could find a longer arm/handle. Im 6'-2" with short arms; Lee can you help me out on this? I need longer arms!
Leo
Now that I've figured out what works I can make you an arm for your reels almost any length, your arms I can't help ;D. Hopefully the cutter will get my latest order done on Monday, if you let me know what you want I'll draw it up and get it to him early Monday morning.
The longer handles don't feel right to me when using the reel ( but we're not all the same :-\), I could get away with it, but would rather have these dimensions......if possible:
Jigmaster .......4"
4/0............... 4 1/2"
6/0................5"
10/0 to 16/0...5 1/2"
Thickness needs to be more than 1/8" on the smaller ones, I would just keep them all of the same in thickness, but wouldn't go over 3/16", the handle nut won't sit right.
This is based on installing the handle in the center hole.
Dimensions above are tip to tip.
1/8" would be nice, but needs to be hardened.
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 26, 2013, 05:27:59 AM
1/8" would be nice, but needs to be hardened.
SS is hard to temper, I found a source for small sheets of tempered material but the price is higher than I like.
Quote from: Keta on October 26, 2013, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 26, 2013, 05:27:59 AM
1/8" would be nice, but needs to be hardened.
SS is hard to temper, I found a source for small sheets of tempered material but the price is higher than I like.
Don't have to go that way, if you trim all by 1/2" in length as we discussed earlier and make them as thick as the one you sent me for the 6/0, they will last forever.
I believe the thickness was 3/16", I checked and they should work on all the reels...thickness wise.
the shoulder on the sleeves is the same from the smaller penns to the 4/0 and it increases by 1/16" from the 6/0 and up.
They were .188". What I need is 11.5ga, 11ga is .120", 10ga is .0188" I found some that hasn't been annealed in .135" but $150 for a 12"x24" piece is a lot of $ for me.
Quote from: Dynamo on October 25, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
It's only an extra 3/4 spool turn.
The 4:1 may not be a whole lot faster, but its still harder to turn the handle when winching up a nice grouper, or something of that nature. If Im bottom fishing, I go as low as I can. He could use the 4:1 gears, but the standard ratio would, I believe, be better suited to the task.
I like the high speed to get um out of there hole. Once you get a big grouper off the bottom he comes up pretty easy.
When I used to run a charter boat in S. Florida we used to grouper gring with jigmaster 500's 3/0 and 4/0 all day without problems. Broschro is right grouper don't need a high speed reel but it doesn't hurt either. Your biggest problem with grouper is turning there head to the surface and having a good rod with the capability to do so. A solid Gator glass 50 to 100# 6'8" rod, a 113H with ss gear sleeve, ss 4:1 gears, ss double dogs a 5+1 carbon fiber dragstack locked down and loaded with 100# braid, 200# barrel swivel, with 6 to 10" of 200# mono weight of the size you need, and a 9/0 to 20/0 very sharp circle hook and any fresh or live bait you need. My favorite big grouper reel was a 9/0 loaded with 130# mono locked down.
Quote from: Keta on October 26, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
They were .188". What I need is 11.5ga, 11ga is .120", 10ga is .0188" I found some that hasn't been annealed in .135" but $150 for a 12"x24" piece is a lot of $ for me.
.120" has too much flex with the cutouts, they might be ok solid. If they're not getting tempered I wouldn't go less than .180"
Alan is selling his for $8 each, I just wish they were of the same length as I mentioned above.
I asked a question about them if they could get some made a little longer, but no answer yet :-\.
I've made them wider and reduced or eliminated the cutouts on the arms for 113 and smaller.
I like the way yours look better, but with the cutouts. If you could make some as I mentioned above, as thick as the 6/0, I would take some.
Sorry Leo, it appears we pulled away from your original question.
I would also say that if you get a longer handle you should be ok with the faster gears, but first see if what you have is working out for you.
Sal
Quote from: LTM on October 26, 2013, 02:06:46 AM
Lee/guys,
Thanx guys for your help. I was thinking of 4:1 if I could find a longer arm/handle. Im 6'-2" with short arms; Lee can you help me out on this? I need longer arms!
Leo
Leo gonna cost you a lot of dough to pay a surgeon for longer arms.... :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D