I making stainless steel Penn 113H and 114H anti reverse dogs.
$3.00 ea plus $0.50 shipping to the US, actual shipping cost overseas.
Lee: I need 2 SS dogs for the 114H. I'll put some money in the mail to you tomorrow. Dominick
Do you have or can make SS Drag Dogs for 200, 300 & 400 series reels? They are all the same size. The ends of mine are getting rounded off.
Quote from: bluefish69 on May 06, 2012, 07:02:28 PM
Do you have or can make SS Drag Dogs for 200, 300 & 400 series reels? They are all the same size. The ends of mine are getting rounded off.
Not right now but SS 15-200 and 15-500 dogs will be available soon.
I've put SS gear sleeves in 8-10 of my Penn's.
I have not opened any of them up to look at the results
of a brass dog mated to the SS gear sleeve.
Should I expect dog carnage even if they have not been fished hard?
-g
Quote from: Gman_WC on June 06, 2012, 05:57:04 AM
Should I expect dog carnage even if they have not been fished hard?
-g
I'm not sure about the damage and how long it takes to be a problem, dogs are cheaper than gear sleeves and I wouldn't be too concerned unless you are putting a lot of use on them. Next time you service the reels look the brass dogs over, if you don't like what you see PM me.
QuoteI wouldn't be too concerned unless you are putting a lot of use on them...
x2.
The S/S gear sleeves have been used with stock dogs for some time, with no significant issues.
Lee's right, of course - have a quick look whenever you're servicing the reels and monitor wear.
If anything untoward occurs, upgrade to an S/S dog... then double S/S dogs... then custom handles... then... ;) ;D
Good luck, Justin
Will they fit any gti or pier?
No
i finally have the 6/0 gear stainless steel gear sleeves!
I'd like 4 dogs for the 114h's. Let me know how to send payment if you still have them. Bob
Are the 500 series dogs available yet?
I'd like two for 114H if they are still available.
If you are planning on double dogging a 114H use/order a 115 dog for the second one.
I'm atill looking for material for the Jigmaster dogs.
Hi lee,
I'm going to do a double dog update to my 113HL and my 114HL. Are the dogs needed available? If so which ones and how do I get you paid for them?
Thanks
Bob
113H, 114H and 115 dogs are available, PM me what you need and where to send them and I'll get them in the mail as soon as I can.
I have a 114H in the mail to use to "size" a the second dog, one for synchronized engagement one for alternate engagement.
So the alternate engage would limit the amount of handle back play by 1/2?
Yes, somewhere around 50%. A 115 dog can be fit with a file or belt sander.
The only way you get a backup dog in that reel is with the alternating dogs. Engaging at the same time or alternating dogs, they both have advantages and disadvantages.
As we all know, dogs keep the gear sleeve stationary while the gear spinns under pressure, especially when the fish is taking line. I believe that having the (2) dogs engaging at the same time will help keep that sleeve and gear square to the bridge plate. Some here don't believe so, but I do.
Sal
The closer to 180° apart the dogs engage the less side force is put on the gear sleeve shaft. For the strongest application synchronized engagement is best.
Quote from: Keta on October 21, 2012, 11:29:40 PM
The closer to 180° apart the dogs engage the less side force is put on the gear sleeve shaft. For the strongest application synchronized engagement is best.
Very good point.
I agree that both engaging at the same time help increase strength but on some reels that have alot of handle slop the alternating dogs work the best.Just got done doing a friends reel and it reduced slop by 50%.
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That's why I mentioned advantages and disadvantages. On my 113H tank I like the dogs to engage at the same time and they do. On the 114h and larger, i'm OK with having a dog as backup.
By the way, I really like the job you did on that plate, i also like the way you bend the flat spring.
Sal
I just installed two stainless dogs (Thanks Keta) on a 113h last night. I stoned the tip of one slightly to get them to engage at same time- but also wish I had less play in handle. WHat if someone made a sleeve with an extra tooth or two? Shorter distance between teeth would give me less reverse-play , no?
I also stoned and polish all the edges and surfaces- they are a little quieter and smoother now.
We have come back to this several times, I know their are extra teeth available for the spinners, we need to figure out how to do it on a sleeve.
Ron
The change has to be made for an entire run of parts, it's a good idea.
And following Sal's point My reels of the 113 size and smaller have double dogs that engage together and the 114 and above I always alternate the dogs.I would like to see a few extra teeth on the gear sleeve especially on the 114 size and up because it would clean up alot of the slop some reels inherantly have.
When Alan's family issues are resolved we can discuss making the changes, I think we have in the past. There is a minimum number for a run, I think 200 pieces, so it's not something we can "test" with small batches unless we can come up with a machinist with the right tools, that will "work for beer" and can/will make a few R&D parts.....my friend needs an indexing head for his mill to do them. The next run can most likely be modified.
I wouldn't be beyond taking a sleeve with no teeth and file fitting the teeth into it,it would take some time but if it works it could be a base model.And I have nothing but time,now to get ahold of a 112-113-114 sleeve without teeth.
A good modification might be to mill flats or a square section on the sleeve and use a removable anti reverse gear, removable anti-reverse gears can be water cut. The larger Senator reels might be a good place to start and I have some for referance thanks to Sal.
I'll grab a 6 pack and run over to my friends shop and see if he can do this after I get the place ready for what looks like a long cold winter and I get a project I set aside for the summer finished.
I have some beers I can throw at this venture- who uses beer-pal? ;D
I imagine a guy could fashion a crude mock-up sleeve himself out of aluminum- just to try to get the dimensions right. I have access to a mill and lathe which belongs to a friend who also likes beer. Unlike me he is smart, educated mech-engineer with gainful employment . Lemme see what I can do. I just butchered a deer for him too- so he owes us....
Would there be any benefit to a larger diameter of base of sleeve and using smaller dogs? Could you use this larger surface area to increase drag pressure?
I was looking at it- thinking about a larger diameter base with more teeth and short dogs, less travel for the dogs, shorter distance between teeth to reduce back-play, while dogs engage at same time to shoot lazers at the seals..............wait, that was different idea
a larger ratchet base would mean less pressure on the dog and a larger surface area that is in contact with the drag washer under the main gear. it would also mean that the gear sleeve would have to be cut from a larger diameter piece of stainless steel, increasing the costs.
but it would work........ :-\
I like the idea of continuing the flats down the side of the sleeve and building a seperate ratchet. THis would allow you to experiment with teeth number and size on the same sleeve. I'm thinking 50% more teeth and double dogs would be adequate.
Ron
that would probably work as well. uggh, another project!
I have 113h rotating assembly-guts sitting here assembled, put two dogs on it to check tolerances and such. There is definitely room in there for larger diameter base.
Are there any reels that have similar sleeve with larger base? More teeth?
FYI, the sweet sound of two stainless dogs working in unison on a stainless sleeve- ..........is pretty satisfying.
Quote...the sweet sound of two stainless dogs working in unison on a stainless sleeve- ..........is pretty satisfying.
x2 - you should hear the double dog/12-tooth ratchet 9500SS combo - it really sings ;) ;D
I just received my 113h and 114h SS anti reverse Dogs. I'd just like to say I am impressed with the quality and fit and finish. Thanks Lee. Dave
I want to do my 112H. Are there stainless dogs for those?
I have picked up three SS dogs from Lee, or should I say Keta's Kustom, for my 113H (double-dog'd), and very satisfied with the quality and direct replacement fitment as compared to Penn OEM dogs.
SS dogs give you that much more confidence in your reel, that it will get the job done against some big fish...When you truly want to have no doubts about your anti-reverse, upgrade to Sal's double-dog setup (grinding the dog(s), accordingly, allows an alternating dog engagement, or simultaneous "true" double-dog engagement), just don't forget to order 2 (two) SS dogs from Lee.
Quote from: floating doc on July 17, 2013, 04:00:17 AM
I want to do my 112H. Are there stainless dogs for those?
Keta,
Do you make and sell any of these yet?
I'm interested too
Thanks
Yes and I have several in stock.
Quote from: Keta on February 16, 2014, 05:09:22 AM
Yes and I have several in stock.
And they're really nice quality, too.
Hello Lee,
First let me Thank you and everyone here for all the fantastic knowledge you are willing to share with a newbie like myself. Sure does make these "projects" move along smoother and much quicker.
If possible could you tell me how to go about ordering Sixteen (16) 113H Stainless Steel Dogs to install.
also where to send the Cash, Money order, Check or Paypal or whichever payment method is most convenient for you.
I can't wait to show my fishing buddies that you don't need to spend $800.00 on a reel to catch fish. LOL
Thank you all again for sharing the wealth of knowledge available here.
Best Regards,
Joe Martin
PS If possible also would like 6 of those fantastic Keta Kranks for Penn 113H
Unpolished is Okay with me
photo is one in the works
I have 15 113H dogs in stock right now, it takes anywhere from 1 day to a month to get more cut. On the handle arms I'm way back ordered and it could be 4 months before I have them. Unpolished is easier but I'm trying to take care of orders that are a month or more behind first.
Check your PM's for my information.
Lee,
So glad to hear that business is good!
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on February 17, 2014, 11:45:41 PM
Lee,
So glad to hear that business is good!
Ron
Yes, that's good. Put me in line for when you're caught up.
Hi Lee Thanks for the ss dogs they worked great. I was a little concerned about the 2/0 senator I didn't think you would have them one of my favorites as I get older. Hope you are finally getting some wet weather we have had enough here in the east coast. Doug
Hey I was wondering of you had any of the dogs for a 113h? My Pro gear 545 needs a new one and I believe the 113h should fit.
I'm down to 1 15-113H but I have more on order. It's been 3 weeks since I dropped off the order so it should happen soon.
Well, I hope you are at least making a little money Lee. You have made a lot of fishermen Happy Here! ;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 25, 2014, 12:20:04 AM
Well, I hope you are at least making a little money Lee. You have made a lot of fishermen Happy Here! ;D
I'm still in the hole on the handle arms due to mistakes.
You are a good man Lee. You really should think about charging more for all your hard work. To at least break even. I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 25, 2014, 01:55:51 AM
You are a good man Lee. You really should think about charging more for all your hard work. To at least break even. I wouldn't have a problem with it.
I may be giving myself more credit than I should but I think I have made the same observation. Anyhow, count this as a second vote for Lee being able to make a profit for his efforts on our behalf.
Quote from: Keta on March 25, 2014, 12:41:18 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 25, 2014, 12:20:04 AM
Well, I hope you are at least making a little money Lee. You have made a lot of fishermen Happy Here! ;D
I'm still in the hole on the handle arms due to mistakes.
Are you actually paying for out of spec parts?
When it's my fault.
Quote from: FARRIER on March 24, 2014, 11:01:57 PM
Hey I was wondering of you had any of the dogs for a 113h? My Pro gear 545 needs a new one and I believe the 113h should fit.
Both Alan and I have a few left. PM AlanTani if Lee cannot deliver due to availability.
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 25, 2014, 06:29:48 AM
Both Alan and I have a few left. PM AlanTani if Lee cannot deliver due to availability.
This will get them to you faster, the cutter lost my order and ran over his cel phone.
Quote from: Keta on March 26, 2014, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 25, 2014, 06:29:48 AM
Both Alan and I have a few left. PM AlanTani if Lee cannot deliver due to availability.
This will get them to you faster, the cutter lost my order and ran over his cel phone.
This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Ron
He told me he will try to get my order cut today.
Received my 15 dogs today Lee. Really well made. Thanks very much.
Thank you Lee for making these available..!! My customers eat them up fast..!!
For some odd reason, strange & unmodified reels keep appearing on my workbench.
I'd like the following ss parts whenever you get'em, partial order OK, thanks.
1 - 9500ss 16 tooth ratchet
2 - 9500ss dogs
2 - 8500ss 16 tooth ratchet
4 - 8500ss dogs
1 - 7500ss 16 tooth ratchet
2 - 7500ss dogs
You need to control yourself John ;D. BTW did you send that reel? No hurry, just wondering.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 31, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
You need to control yourself John ;D. BTW did you send that reel? No hurry, just wondering.
Sorry, addictive personality, once I get hooked on something... ::)
I didn't make it to the Post Office today, my wife should ship it out Monday.
It is already packaged & ready to go, return S/H is in the box too.
I'm anxious to see what is Wrong with it Sal. I never got to look at it myself, but I never heard one make that noise! :o Mike and Me hand lined his shark in.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on June 01, 2014, 03:45:26 PM
I'm anxious to see what is Wrong with it Sal. I never got to look at it myself, but I never heard one make that noise! :o
Mike and Me hand lined his shark in.
You, Bob and especially me.
And I thank y'all for that... Good thing she was just a little girl.
John, Daron, Eric, Mike and Gene it was a pleasure to meet all of you! I really wish you all had caught more. I didn't care if I caught anything but I enjoyed seeing you catch the ones you did. Maybe you will next time. Bob
Me too Bob,
I had Fun, that's all that Matters. I was Surprised to even get some baits soaking on Sunday with all the people. Thanks for all your Help. ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on June 02, 2014, 05:00:35 AM
Me too Bob,
I had Fun, that's all that Matters. I was Surprised to even get some baits soaking on Sunday with all the people. Thanks for all your Help. ;)
It was great just being there. I got back to work on Thursday, and it was the usual madhouse. Twelve plus hours every day through Saturday; despite taking a full week off in the middle of my two week pay period I still worked 77 hours. :P
No wonder I'm tired!
Quote from: ChileRelleno on May 31, 2014, 10:42:24 PM
For some odd reason, strange & unmodified reels keep appearing on my workbench.
I'd like the following ss parts whenever you get'em, partial order OK, thanks.
1 - 9500ss 16 tooth ratchet
2 - 9500ss dogs
2 - 8500ss 16 tooth ratchet
4 - 8500ss dogs
1 - 7500ss 16 tooth ratchet
2 - 7500ss dogs
Lee,
just in case any or all of these were to magically became available... Please put a hold on them for me.
Just blew my mad money for the next four weeks on a 12/0 reel/rod combo.
Hi, my name is Chile and I have an addiction... That I'm not going to kick.
Looks like nobody has asked for a while about an SS dog for the surfmaster (200, specifically). Any thing happening on that? Thanks.
I have a bunch of 15-200 dogs in stock.
Lee, Inspired by your enthusiasm for the reel and Justin's 'Monster Mariner' upgrade, I am upgrading a couple of 349HC reels. I have an order with you for the SS dogs and 113H handle arm - my question is about the second dog.
I have bought a 114 ss dog (from someone else) so I could 'mill' the plates while you catch up with your orders, but it doesn't look it will work, it appears too short and too thick with an oversized hole. I am new to Penns and don't have any senator dogs to compare with the one I have recieved - should I order a different dog to the 114?
The rough dimensions of the 114 dog I received are;
Length - 20.7mm (0.815inch)
Thickness - 3.35mm (0.135inch) stock 2.65mm (0.105mm)
Hole - 5.00mm (0.200inch) stock 3.65mm (0.144inch)
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What you will need is a 114H dog with a smaller hole. I am short of 114H dogs and need to get more cut, I will have a special one cut if you want it. I also have 2 SS 15-349's left.
Thanks Lee, I'll take the two SS 15-349's you have and it would be great if you could get one or two SS114H dogs cut.
I have emailed my details and an updated order.
Thanks again
Michael
Lee, do you have any 113h double dogs? Thank you. Les
Ask again in 2 weeks, I'm heading north to hunt elk.
Quote from: Keta on November 04, 2014, 03:55:08 AM
Ask again in 2 weeks, I'm heading north to hunt elk.
Good luck!
Knockem' Dead Lee! ;D May the force be with you! ;)
GO GET EM
Mike
It's a spike only hunt in a GMU that has had 3 any bull hunts and a cow only hunt ahead of us so the odds are low, it's "elk camping".