Did ya ever buy an old reel that needed nothing?? This is a first for me...even the NIB pieces I've nabbed needed attention. I guess the previous owner of this reel just serviced it before sending it to me. It feels fluid, nice and smooth, yet solid and tight. He or she obviously knows their reels, and honestly, I haven't even popped the side plate! 8)
P.S. Why is Shakespeare the only brand without a sub-forum? Looks like there are quite a few Shakespeare threads.
Wow, that thing looks mint!
I'd say the only thing it needs is to be lined and fished --right away! :)
Great reel, Mike!
Best,
Fred
Very nice Mike! Love the white spool.
............Lou
that little thing is a beauty.
now let me tell you that I never need an excuse to open my personal reels, sometimes I opened them up just because Im boring ;D ;D
so, go for it and open that thing, take some pictures of your findings, this reel might have sewing machine 3-1 oil instead of proper fishing oil or automovile general grease instead of penn / Yamaha reel, let me know if you need more excuses.
That is just beautiful.
Also, Mike --
Hate to break the bad news --
However, only three reasons not to remove the sideplate, IMO --
1) I was the last one in there, and it is good.
2) I have super powers like x-ray vision -- and can see into the casing.
3) I like taking a gamble waiting for something to fail when on the water.
Other than those, 9 times out of 10 -- it could always use less grease, more grease, different type of grease, a cleaner bearing, or something else.
Few reel techs can service a reel as thoroughly and capably as the folks on our site.
Just my opinions.
Actually, since you posted this, you have likely already cracked open the side to verify your observations...
Best,
Fred
Go ahead Mike, at least take out three screws and peep inside.
I remember them very well when they were on the shelves. Those, the Mitchell 308/408, and D.A.M. Quick 110 are my favorite 3 ultralights.
Here's an ad from 1968. They were $35 at the time.
Quote from: steelfish on January 10, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
Open that thing, take some pictures of your findings, this reel might have sewing machine 3-1 oil instead of proper fishing oil.
Quote from: foakes on January 10, 2018, 08:53:45 PM
Actually, since you posted this, you have likely already cracked open the side to verify your observations...
Quote from: festus on January 10, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
Go ahead Mike, at least take out three screws and peep inside.
Hee hee...ok! I opened her up, and I see why the feel is to my liking. Appears to be Ardent Reel Butter. Obviously it's been serviced, I've opened two other reels from this series and they were packed with dark brown sludge and had lots of rust. Everything is steel inside these reels...so surface rust is common. 8)
Nice reel Mo! I got a bunch of messed up Dam reels with cracked housings, bent spool shaft and so on. I was surprised to see that the gears are still good so far. Those are similar to the the gears on this Shakespeare...great design.
Sal
That is nice!! Beautiful internals.
Mine was easy, had to open 'er up. No rust, just darn-near impossible to turn with the dried out grease. A Min. Spirits soak got 90% of it.
Very impressed with the construction/materials quality of these Maroon series Shakespeare's.
Also some good prices on "flea"-bay, $15-30.
Gfish
Wow what a clean reel. Great find Mo!
Nice find, Mike. I'm with Fred, though. I've got to at least look inside, body, rotor & drag, to make sure nothing bad is going on. Even if they look good I usually tear them down & service them anyway just to make sure everything got done, and correctly, too. I've worked on a lot of gray & maroon Shakes and haven't come across any notable rust, yet. Maybe I have just been lucky. Have about ten medium & large Shakes to do yet, maybe I won't continue to be so lucky. :-\
Dont see many Older spinning reels that catch my attention. But Mike this one of yours did. Something about it just looks cool & the innards are of a good design.... Jeff
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 10, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
Nice reel Mo! I got a bunch of messed up Dam reels with cracked housings, bent spool shaft and so on. I was surprised to see that the gears are still good so far. Those are similar to the the gears on this Shakespeare...great design.
Sal
Ran into a few of these Quicks with bent shafts. Friend thinks it might be an issue with their heat treatment... But this is just him thinking.... Jeff
Quote from: Rivverrat on January 11, 2018, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 10, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
Nice reel Mo! I got a bunch of messed up Dam reels with cracked housings, bent spool shaft and so on. I was surprised to see that the gears are still good so far. Those are similar to the the gears on this Shakespeare...great design.
Sal
Ran into a few of these Quicks with bent shafts. Friend thinks it might be an issue with their heat treatment... But this is just him thinking.... Jeff
I'm not sure if your friend statement is accurate or not, I'm new to these. We do have Fred here, he probably has opened a few hundred Quick, maybe thousands, he could tell us.
In all fairness to my statement above, I don't believe the damage on the Quick that I just acquired recently was caused by fishing.
Here is a pic of two:
(https://i.imgur.com/SR78Mjh.jpg)
and here is one with the bent spool shaft:
(https://i.imgur.com/WgBg4C5.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/WpH5dUy.jpg)
It appears to me these were scooped up by some type of machine, maybe a BOBCAT.
If it did happen fishing, I don't even want to think what happened to the guy at the other end :-\.
I'm cleaning parts gradually, gears look new on all that I've done so far. Not sure if they feel right yet, but I do examine them very closely and everything looks good so far.
Sal
Quote from: Midway Tommy on January 11, 2018, 03:14:13 AM
I've worked on a lot of gray & maroon Shakes and haven't come across any notable rust, yet. Maybe I have just been lucky. Have about ten medium & large Shakes to do yet, maybe I won't continue to be so lucky. :-\
I think it all depends on where they were fished Tommy. The 2091A pictured below is a good rust demo. I'm figuring the rusty ones are saltwater reels. If I ever do tear into my little 2052 I may try bluing the parts...with gun bluing.
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 11, 2018, 11:55:40 AM
Quote from: Rivverrat on January 11, 2018, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 10, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
Nice reel Mo! I got a bunch of messed up Dam reels with cracked housings, bent spool shaft and so on. I was surprised to see that the gears are still good so far. Those are similar to the the gears on this Shakespeare...great design.
Sal
Ran into a few of these Quicks with bent shafts. Friend thinks it might be an issue with their heat treatment... But this is just him thinking.... Jeff
I'm not sure if your friend statement is accurate or not, I'm new to these. We do have Fred here, he probably has opened a few hundred Quick, maybe thousands, he could tell us.
In all fairness to my statement above, I don't believe the damage on the Quick that I just acquired recently was caused by fishing.
Sal
Those reels are just good for parts, Sal. Like you are doing -- just take them completely apart -- clean all good parts -- toss anything busted (it is just a waste of space and time) -- put what is left and good into a ziploc labeled with what reel it is and perhaps what it needs to bring it back to whole -- then look for other donor reels on ebay so someday these parts will be useful for either restoring another purchase, or vice-versa.
It is so rare on these old Quicks for a shaft to bend when fishing (almost impossible because the STEEL shaft is frame supported at the rear, frame/bearing supported at the front, plus supported within a steel worm 2" gear) -- because the frame or spool would go before the shaft ever failed.
Of course, anything is possible -- but the damage to Sal's box of reels was most likely done while fishing (involved a 18 pack suitcase of Budweiser and backing over it with an F-250).
These parts that Sal has are useful and valuable -- plus the spools are above gold. Good purchase.
Best,
Fred
Out of my pile of 270's I only have one thats a parts reel. A few more with my Finessa's.
I'm sure Fred has these.... I've a pile of gears for 270's & various other Quick reels if needed.
How ever this is one of many parts that dont need replacement much on these reels.... Jeff
Very interesting; just intensifies my interest in the 2052 & 2062. Good work, guys!
Frank
Quote from: festus on January 10, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
Here's an ad from 1968. They were $35 at the time.
Thanks for posting that ad Festus. I was wondering about the gear ratio on this reel. My hands recorded about 4.5: 1...but the ad says 4.7:1...excellent! 8)
I was curious about the drag stack on this reel...so I popped her open. It was pretty clean, and dry, a leather 3-stack. The under spool washer is the same leather as in the spool. The first pic shows it had some green goop between the spool and last leather disc. In the second photo I cleaned that up and lapped the washers a little as they had some light scratches. I didn't have any carbon fiber even close to fit. Dawn at Smooth Drag has a size that would work, I'll probably order those if my experiment fails. I smeared a coat of Cal's on every washer...even the one under the spool. Right now it's slick as snot, we'll see how it fares after some time on the water. 8)
I spooled her up today. I used 15lb. Seagar Kanzen with a 12ft. leader of Stren high impact 10lb. mono. Heap big medicine for an ultralight...but...where it will be fished there's always the chance of a big bass or musky grabbing it. I'd love to see that happen. 8)
Beautiful job and preparation, Mike!
You made that old soldier a working reel and more capable than when it was new.
Best,
Fred
Beautiful reel, Mike. Almost too pretty to fish with. :)
QuoteI didn't have any carbon fiber even close to fit.
I've had this thought for awhile so I'm gonna throw it out there for some comments. There are a lot of different diameter drag washers out there, especially in the older spinning reels, but this could apply to bait casters, too. Why couldn't a guy get some various size empty high brass shotgun shells and rifle brass and file the edge of the brass sharp enough to cut through the CF sheets for the all round washers? The shotgun brass would be larger than some punch sets. I would think a couple of twists and a good smack with a hammer would make a fairly clean cut right through the fiber. Then, a little edge touch up with a sanding block. Costs? .....0 for the tools.
You can cut the stuff with some scissors or snips Tommy. If the edges are a little ragged it really doesn't matter because it's the surface doing the work. To me, the issue is whether you want the reel to be original or to have fancy-smancy carbon fiber washers. Leather can be very smooth and give you more than enough drag for the task at hand.
That old advert makes the 2052 look tiny. Is it smaller than the smallest Penn or DAM spinner from that era? Thank you for sharing.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on January 19, 2018, 07:32:18 PM
That old advert makes the 2052 look tiny. Is it smaller than the smallest Penn or DAM spinner from that era?
It falls right into the Penn 420ss/Mitchell 308/ DAM Quick 110 camp...same size.
It has flown under the radar for years. There's nothing the above mentioned reels can do that this one won't do too...other than cost you $100 or more.
The 2052 is a very small reel -- and it is around the same size as many others in the Microlight category.
Just pulled a few out of one of the Microlight bins slated for the next time I have a yard or trade show sale.
This gives an idea of the size differences.
The 2052 is 8 ounces.
Others in this class are 6 to 10 ounces.
The lightest weight isn't necessarily an indicator of micro-quality, however.
The engineering in a Shakes 2052, DAM 265, DAM 110, DAM 1000, Alcedo Micron, Penn 716 -- are all over- built wormdrive, large main bearing, steel component type quality Microlights.
So they run a little heavier than a graphite Microlight -- but are of superior quality.
These tend to sell very well any time I offer them at a yard sale -- because of the trout streams and lakes we have in our area. Good for backpacking, stream, lake, and pond fishing.
IMO, nothing better than one of these little guys mounted on a 5' Fenwick, Eagle Claw, Ugly Stik, or similar light rod -- with a 1/8 ounce Panther Martin, Roostertail, or Super-Duper on the other end.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 19, 2018, 10:41:24 PM
The engineering in a Shakes 2052, DAM 265, DAM 110, DAM 1000, Alcedo Micron, Penn 716 -- are all over- built wormdrive, large main bearing, steel component type quality Microlights.
Best,
Fred
You are right Fred! not sure about the Shakespeare 2052, I never held one, but did for most of the others mentioned and I agree...over-built for sure.
Sal
Quote from: Midway Tommy on January 19, 2018, 06:06:22 PM
Beautiful reel, Mike. Almost too pretty to fish with. :)
QuoteI didn't have any carbon fiber even close to fit.
I've had this thought for awhile so I'm gonna throw it out there for some comments. There are a lot of different diameter drag washers out there, especially in the older spinning reels, but this could apply to bait casters, too. Why couldn't a guy get some various size empty high brass shotgun shells and rifle brass and file the edge of the brass sharp enough to cut through the CF sheets for the all round washers? The shotgun brass would be larger than some punch sets. I would think a couple of twists and a good smack with a hammer would make a fairly clean cut right through the fiber. Then, a little edge touch up with a sanding block. Costs? .....0 for the tools.
Great idea Midway! I been kickin this around for awhile, mainly 'cause a the price for tool sets that'er avalible, but couldn't think a nothin. Steve's right: even the 1mm thick carbon-tex can be cut with a tin-snips, but I really want that even circumference, especially on the i.d. Besides it really is labor and time intensive when I do mine and they don't look to good, but...
I was just reading Gfish's comment and realized...that inside dia. on the 2052's washers was 7mm. A 7mm Remington would put me right in business.
This little 2052 came in the mail yesterday afternoon. It isn't as clean as Mike's but I'm happy with it. The white spool has some discoloration to it but other than removing it and checking it out, I haven't done anything else to the reel.
Got a question about the spool. Looks like somebody jerryrigged a pipe cleaner inside the channel and tucked it into two holes. What's going on here, is something missing? Really difficult to tell what's going on looking at the schematic.
Seen that before. Always thought that it was a factory thing, and was at times, replaced with standard issue pipe cleaners after wearing out. I guess it's supposed ta keep out debris & water from the rotor. Nice lookin reel. Are shakys gonna become a thing?
Gfish
Yes guys, that is a pipe cleaner. It's not jerry rigged...like G said...it's to wipe out debris. Here are pics of the 2052 instruction manual, this may come in handy. 8)
Wow, learn something every day. Thanks for the instruction manual, Mike. Also I noticed in the schematic you posted the screw that connects the slide and washer to the drive gear is left handed thread. I popped the cover plate off and looks and smells like this reel had been serviced last with a combination of Vaseline and 3-in-1 oil.
Quote from: festus on February 04, 2018, 10:05:05 PM
I noticed in the schematic you posted the screw that connects the slide and washer to the drive gear is left handed thread.
Yep, it sure is. And the pin to the slide practically falls out. Enjoy your reel Festus! 8)
3mm chenilles work the best but they're pretty tough to find, especially in red. I had to pick mine up on da Bay a few years back, and I was lucky just to find them. Most of the time you just see 6mm, and they're plenty tight.
Quote from: Midway Tommy on February 05, 2018, 01:09:06 AM
3mm chenilles work the best but they're pretty tough to find, especially in red. I had to pick mine up on da Bay a few years back, and I was lucky just to find them. Most of the time you just see 6mm, and they're plenty tight.
Hey Tommy, would these 4mm work alright?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chenilles-Pipe-Cleaners-Assorted-4mm-x-150mm-30-Per-Pack/112056296670?hash=item1a171364de:g:SKIAAOSwns9bUax9
Quote from: mo65 on March 24, 2019, 08:58:27 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on February 05, 2018, 01:09:06 AM
3mm chenilles work the best but they're pretty tough to find, especially in red. I had to pick mine up on da Bay a few years back, and I was lucky just to find them. Most of the time you just see 6mm, and they're plenty tight.
Hey Tommy, would these 4mm work alright?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chenilles-Pipe-Cleaners-Assorted-4mm-x-150mm-30-Per-Pack/112056296670?hash=item1a171364de:g:SKIAAOSwns9bUax9
Honestly, Mike, 3mm are pretty snug. They'll fit in the groove but rub on the rotor. They would wear/compact eventually, I think. I don't use mine, they just catch case fish :D so they haven't compressed much, yet.
There are a lot more 3mm options out there now (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Chenille+Stems+3mm&_sacat=0), compared to when I got mine but I was looking for red. I ended up buying some fly tying chenille for a couple of my reels like the Micro, Erie 2CS & Cardinals that require really small diameter chenille,
This thread is making me want to fish my 2052. I pulled it out of a "free" box in front of a campsite at a kayak fishing event, so I grabbed it.
It was barely moving when I got it, and I knew nothing about its innards. Before servicing it correctly, (I am, in fact, lazy), I gave it a 3-1'ing which it responded to really well. I fished it a couple times and was really impressed with how nice it felt.
I really should do a tear down correctly soon; it's a great little reel.
Quote from: newfuturevintage on March 25, 2019, 04:00:00 PM
I gave it a 3-1'ing which it responded to really well. I fished it a couple times and was really impressed with how nice it felt. I really should do a tear down correctly soon; it's a great little reel.
I bet that 3-in-One treatment has loosened up the crud well...should making your cleanup easier!
Quote from: Midway Tommy on March 25, 2019, 01:38:18 AM
Honestly, Mike, 3mm are pretty snug.
OK...gotcha...thanks buddy.
I'd been needing another spool for a 2052 for several months. My best looking 2052 had a tarnished spool that the clicker tongue was missing. Don't like a fish pulling drag without that audible click! NIB 2052 spools have been going for $10-$15 plus shipping. From the pics I saw online, the spools looked better than either of the two I already had.
So I'd been waiting patiently for almost a year for some parts reels. Got three from ebay delivered today. Don't really know if I paid too much, but those three cost just a dollar or two more than my first reel.
These reels were really stiff, one wouldn't crank at all. The anti-reverse wasn't functioning on one of them. But other than all three missing their badge, one missing one cover plate screw, they looked decent out of the box, not too much scuffing.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_25_09.jpeg)
This afternoon I picked the one with the missing screw to service. Yep, every 2052 I've ever worked on has had old brown grease set up like concrete.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_25_33.jpeg)
Pull out the pin, then pull out the axle.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_25_54.jpeg)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_26_19.jpeg)
The level wind screw has left handed threads.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_27_57.jpeg)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_28_20.jpeg)
The main gear was really in there, but I got it out.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_28_45.jpeg)
The rotor nut took a while to get out also.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_29_13.jpeg)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_29_39.jpeg)
I dreaded getting the snap ring out, but it wasn't much of a problem.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_30_02.jpeg)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_30_37.jpeg)
The bail assembly was working very well, but I figured it needed cleaning anyway.
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(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_31_40.jpeg)
These old Royal Maroons always have a gob of grease right here. ::)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_32_04.jpeg)
I got everything but the bail trip assembly out, I couldn't find a 7/32 or 15/64 wrench handy.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_33_51.jpeg)
I used Dawn, Simple Green, lacquer thinner, and a little Purple Power citrus cleaner on the dirty parts.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_32_29.jpeg)
Does the anti-reverse look any better after cleaning?
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_32_50.jpeg)
I used SuperLube on this one.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_34_25.jpeg)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_34_52.jpeg)
Got the bearing back in with no problem. Not sure this was the original bearing--it was Made in Japan? ??? :o
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_35_24.jpeg)
The main gear went back into place much easier than it came out.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_35_48.jpeg)
It's working like a brand new one. Makes me wonder if they were any smoother straight off the shelf in the late 1960s/early 1970s. I suspect the other two will clean up as well as this one.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/17863_23_05_19_3_36_17.jpeg)
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Well done, Chester!
Go pick yourself up a set of Craftsman SAE ignition wrenches. They're not expensive and they work great on all those minuscule nuts & bolts in the old spinners. I use mine on just about every reel I service. Once you have a set you'll never have yo worry about buggering up any of those little nuts or bolts. ;)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/707536477/10-piece-craftsman-combination-ignition?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-craft_supplies_and_tools-tools_and_equipment-tools-wrenches_ratchets_and_sockets-other&utm_custom1=0091aa35-b4d1-4cac-84c0-9a1dec3d97b9&utm_content=go_1843970764_76535548504_346429178318_pla-322226803184_c__707536477&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3IarlZaz4gIVHLnACh1j6ggaEAQYGiABEgLR-PD_BwE
Quote from: Midway Tommy on May 24, 2019, 03:12:36 AM
Well done, Chester!
Go pick yourself up a set of Craftsman SAE ignition wrenches. They're not expensive and they work great on all those minuscule nuts & bolts in the old spinners. I use mine on just about every reel I service. Once you have a set you'll never have yo worry about buggering up any of those little nuts or bolts. ;)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/707536477/10-piece-craftsman-combination-ignition?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-craft_supplies_and_tools-tools_and_equipment-tools-wrenches_ratchets_and_sockets-other&utm_custom1=0091aa35-b4d1-4cac-84c0-9a1dec3d97b9&utm_content=go_1843970764_76535548504_346429178318_pla-322226803184_c__707536477&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3IarlZaz4gIVHLnACh1j6ggaEAQYGiABEgLR-PD_BwE
Thanks for the link, Midway Tommy. I just checked on Amazon before you added the URL to ETSY, and with their free shipping, the price comes out about the same. Might as well get the metric set, also.
Sadly, the Sears stores have dried up in this area. Oak Ridge Sears-gone. Harriman Sears--gone. Knoxville and Maryville have Sears, but their shelves are about empty, can never find what you need, especially in the tool dept. Ditto in their clothing and shoe departments. ::)
Got a second 2052 taken apart and cleaned, will wait until tomorrow or later in the weekend to get it and the third finished.
Nice reels Chester. You're making the old little guys happy again.
I've been using that super lube on spinners for about a year now and really like it.
Very nice job!
Sal
The is reel porn!