OK I have seen all the talk about it and went a head and ordered some up for the drags. I was having an issue with the anti reverse not catching the ratchet teeth on the gear sleeve sue cf washer. Long story short I cut and placed a delrin washer there. Problem solved! Now it is smoother, but kinda like the friction feel of the CF!
Questions are this. I ordered up a 12x12 with a thickness of 1/32 of an inch. Came out to about 1mm thick when it arrived. Is this the thicknest most are using and does it seem like a universal size? Also, how are you guys cutting it and shaping yours (I just used scissors and a dremel)? Has anyone noticed if it helped on top of the stack but under the beville washer? Also, has anyone tested under heavy load with a solid hog on the end?
Thanks guys. Just always looking to improve my reels
Sal (Alto Mare) sent me a couple delrin washers to try in my 113H. I put one under the main gear and under the top hat. It really smoothed out the drag especially when it was cranked down. I have put them in with the drag kit for my 600H I got from Bryan Young. I even put them in my 6500ss. As far as testing them out with a load... http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=11443.msg116116#msg116116 . Hopefully this weekend I will get a chance to see how the work in my 600H on one of these. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12392.msg121212#msg121212
So far they work fine under load for me. No issues with maybe a dozen fishing trips.
Quote from: fsrmn on December 05, 2014, 10:11:45 AM
Sal (Alto Mare) sent me a couple delrin washers to try in my 113H. I put one under the main gear and under the top hat. It really smoothed out the drag especially when it was cranked down. I have put them in with the drag kit for my 600H I got from Bryan Young. I even put them in my 6500ss. As far as testing them out with a load... http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=11443.msg116116#msg116116 . Hopefully this weekend I will get a chance to see how the work in my 600H on one of these. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12392.msg121212#msg121212
Nice fish! Thanks for the reply. I have been messing with drags a lot but seems sal is always ahead of me!
Quote from: Newell Nut on December 05, 2014, 08:03:29 PM
So far they work fine under load for me. No issues with maybe a dozen fishing trips.
Great I'm going to try it out as well. I particularly like the ease of turning the star under load.
I wonder how virgin PTFE would compare to Delrin. it looks like it is more slippery and is rated to 500 degrees vs 185 for Delrin. You can buy it in small quantities from https://www.interstateplastics.com. A 12"x12"x.030 is $15. I am just curious since someone mentioned Rulon which seems to be almost the same stuff.
I just had the water cutter cut some for me.
Quote from: fsrmn on December 12, 2014, 03:15:26 AM
I wonder how virgin PTFE would compare to Delrin. it looks like it is more slippery and is rated to 500 degrees vs 185 for Delrin. You can buy it in small quantities from https://www.interstateplastics.com. A 12"x12"x.030 is $15. I am just curious since someone mentioned Rulon which seems to be almost the same stuff.
Thanks for the link. I'm in the process of changing over the cf's to delrin. I'm willing to give this a try.
PTFE does not have the compressive strength we need, Delrin does.
http://www.technicalproductsinc.com/teflon_specs.html (http://www.technicalproductsinc.com/teflon_specs.html)
http://www.technicalproductsinc.com/delrin_specs.html
(http://www.technicalproductsinc.com/delrin_specs.html)
Good point Lee. Does anyone have any insight to this?
The softer material will deform and flow under pressure.
Wow :o BIG difference on compression strength. Delrin it is ;)
Quote from: Keta on December 12, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
The softer material will deform and flow under pressure.
I was looking at other materials but the compression strength doesn't stand up to it.
Quote from: Keta on December 12, 2014, 03:18:06 AM
I just had the water cutter cut some for me.
I know that's a great route just seeing if I can find a way to make perfect cuts at home.
http://www.gaskettools.com/punches-mayhew.asp
This tool cuts perfectly for me for both CFs and delrin. I use the 16 piece model and the metric version gets me the closest to what I use in my Newell's with minimum sanding of CFs. When I punch my Delrin out a 22mm OD and 10mm ID in one rap of the hammer I need to hit the ID just a few strokes with a round file to slip over the gear sleeve easily.
Quote from: Newell Nut on December 12, 2014, 08:25:10 PM
http://www.gaskettools.com/punches-mayhew.asp
This tool cuts perfectly for me for both CFs and delrin. I use the 16 piece model and the metric version gets me the closest to what I use in my Newell's with minimum sanding of CFs. When I punch my Delrin out a 22mm OD and 10mm ID in one rap of the hammer I need to hit the ID just a few strokes with a round file to slip over the gear sleeve easily.
Dwight, you tried to tell me a year ago to get those cutters, I should have listened to you.
I spent around $100 for these.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/DSC_0022-3.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/DSC_0022-3.jpg.html)
The ones on the right aren't bad, but I still need to dremel the hole.
The ones on the left are worthless, unless you sharpen them.
That nice custom hammer was a gift from Bob (Cone) . thanks again Bob, as you can see. I use it often ;)
Sal
Well Sal I learned a long time ago to spend the money for good stuff the first time and you save money. After going cheap for awhile and then buying the good stuff just cost a lot more in the long run. My way of thinking.
Quote from: Newell Nut on December 12, 2014, 08:25:10 PM
http://www.gaskettools.com/punches-mayhew.asp
This tool cuts perfectly for me for both CFs and delrin. I use the 16 piece model and the metric version gets me the closest to what I use in my Newell's with minimum sanding of CFs. When I punch my Delrin out a 22mm OD and 10mm ID in one rap of the hammer I need to hit the ID just a few strokes with a round file to slip over the gear sleeve easily.
Those are some very sold hollow punches! Thanks for the link! I have been wondering what everyone was using! I will look into and definitely learn from Sal's experience and pay more now to spend less later :P
I found these, the pilot looks cool. Punch the outside first then use pilot hole to punch inside hole.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/cooldade/punchset_zpsa2fc02d5.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/cooldade/media/punchset_zpsa2fc02d5.jpg.html)
Quote from: CooldadE on December 14, 2014, 12:19:23 AM
I found these, the pilot looks cool. Punch the outside first then use pilot hole to punch inside hole.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/cooldade/punchset_zpsa2fc02d5.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/cooldade/media/punchset_zpsa2fc02d5.jpg.html)
I have the same set (so does Daron I think?). They work, but do need to be sharpened reguarily. I'd get a better quality set (like Lee has), if I was going to buy new ones.
SOOOOoooooo , you guys are using delrin washers instead of the Cf ones ?? Forgive the ignorance please ??
Both.
CoolDad,
I have that same set. They are cheap, but work well. You have to sharpen them every few punches, but they get the job done.
Nowhere near the caliber that Dwight uses, but they already paid for themselves.
I punched out probably 10 sets for 12/0's CF in .120 thickness, but I had to hit them with a diamond bit every three or four hits to keep them cutting.
Quote from: Lalo13 on December 16, 2014, 12:51:24 AM
SOOOOoooooo , you guys are using delrin washers instead of the Cf ones ?? Forgive the ignorance please ??
Still.using cf in the stack. Just trying delrin under the main gear and on top of the stack. Just to really smooth out the drag
GENIAL !! Sounds like a simple mod that actually works . Thanks for your time gentlemen .. ;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 16, 2014, 01:59:00 AM
CoolDad,
I have that same set. They are cheap, but work well. You have to sharpen them every few punches, but they get the job done.
Nowhere near the caliber that Dwight uses, but they already paid for themselves.
I punched out probably 10 sets for 12/0's CF in .120 thickness, but I had to hit them with a diamond bit every three or four hits to keep them cutting.
Daron what were you hammering on? Dominick
A Log. I found I could do the ID faster with the lower punch instead of switching the cutter.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_24471_zpsfb29ad63.jpg)
I have cut a couple hundred CFs and Delrin without sharpening anything. One thing that helps me I think is that I use a piece of 2"x8"x8" softer delrin block that a construction friend gave me a while back. I rap the cutter with a short handled 4lb hammer one time for every cut and it works great. The pounding block is holding up great too and does not dull my cutter at all. You may be able to find a piece of it online somewhere.
The .020" delrin arrived so I got the tools to cut a few. I am putting the .020 on the gear sleeve sprocket and a .5mm CF between that and the gear. Got it all put together on a 533-5 and really feels smooth and strong. I also put a .020 under the Belleville.
(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/dwebb49/IMG_0527_zpsd24338b8.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/dwebb49/media/IMG_0527_zpsd24338b8.jpg.html)
I ordered up those punches Newell Nut! Awesome to know how well they are holding up! Now if i can just find a delrin block ;)
I used to use a end grain of a 4X4 about a ft. long. I never dulled a punch this way.
Mike
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on December 18, 2014, 04:21:53 AM
Now if i can just find a delrin block ;)
UHMW works well too.
I stole a cutting board from the kitchen a year ago, it isn't Delrin, but its doing a great job. ;D
A walmart cutting board would work great. Good idea Sal.
I've spent well over $100 for the individual wad cutters from Germany. Now they cut fast and easy but I still have to cut the center hole. Today I received the set shown in the link above. I'll try them out tomorrow.
We have a set of those that Newell Nut has shown at work, just got a lot more larger sizes in the set. They are fantastic, and haven't had to sharpen them.
But we have a saying "Thou shalt use wad punches into end grain only or risk (that would break the 12 y/o rule)!" Needless to say they are well looked after.
Quote from: Newell Nut on December 12, 2014, 08:25:10 PM
http://www.gaskettools.com/punches-mayhew.asp
This tool cuts perfectly for me for both CFs and delrin. I use the 16 piece model and the metric version gets me the closest to what I use in my Newell's with minimum sanding of CFs. When I punch my Delrin out a 22mm OD and 10mm ID in one rap of the hammer I need to hit the ID just a few strokes with a round file to slip over the gear sleeve easily.
I received mine today and they are great..! No more having to cut the center hole. I do allot of spinning reels and these will sure make it fast and save a bunch of money..!!
Agreed. The most expensive tools in my shop are the cheap ones. They cost me money every time they get used.
I agree 100%. Happens to me often, but I'm slowly learning .
The "most expensive tool" I have/had was the 9/16" wrenches me and my crew kept dropping off the docks and transfer bridges.