I saw this posted on the Florida Sportsman site.
A new Bait caster prototype from Sweden that uses a pendulum mechanism to decelerate the spool. Obviously very expensive but interesting technology.
https://youtu.be/Lx85m_1De1Y
Interesting concept.
I believe its Diawa that has one now with a micro computer built in. Supposedly it can sample spool rotation anywhere 100 /1000 times a second/minute to prevent backlash. Pricewise it wasn't bad but have no idea as to how well it works.
Someday it will probably get to be like cars. You wont be able to service unless you have sophisticated equipment. PROGRESS???????
...................Lou
I think you referring to the Shimano DC electronic brake?
This new one looks all mechanical, no electronics to go bad. Much preferable and brilliant!
Yup, your correct nelz. I didn't look it over thoroughly as I really didn't have much interest in it.
Agreed, .... Not much beats a well designed mechanical product.
...................Lou
Wow, the things people will spend money on rather than developing skills and earning how to use their equipment.
Quote from: MarkT on August 24, 2018, 04:39:50 PM
Wow, the things people will spend money on rather than developing skills and earning how to use their equipment.
A time will come when your robotic "
fishing" gear will go out and catch it for you, bring it home, cook, clean, and serve it to you an a silver platter!
Quote from: nelz on August 24, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
A time will come when your robotic "fishing" gear will go out and catch it for you, bring it home, cook, clean, and serve it to you on a silver platter!
I'm going to stop buying beat up old reels on fleabay and save my money for that! ;D
We have all seen this —
A guy backs down the launching ramp with a new $40,000 Bass boat, driving a $50,000 SUV 4X4, $10,000 in the latest gear and accessories, plus the coolest designer sun glasses.
As he is backing down, he sees a little kid fishing on the side of the dock with a bamboo pole, bobber, and a can of worms.
The Dude asks the kid what he is doing —
The kid sez, "I'm fishin', Mister — what are you doing?"
I used to work with an older German gentleman. His favorite saying was —
"Ve get oldt too soon, un smart too late".
I'm thinking he may have been right...
Best,
Fred
No need to spend big bucks on this newfangled gizmo, a great anti-backlash style reel has been easily available for about a hundred years. It's called a spinning reel. ;D
I have to agree with Fred's concept of technology. The little boy concept is bringing it to reality, the money we spend on things is for us to brag about but when it comes down to it-it is smoke and mirrors. ;D ;D ;D.....................................Joe
Ah, man, but it looks so cool... The last really cool state of the art drag system the Abu guys put out, I had to have it(Revo-Toro Beast, a non-lock down(with pulling pressure on it) drag system). This'n looks pretty desirible too. Leave it to those Swedes, they never quit with that outta the box thinkin.
All the ones I come across including that guy in the video, speak good english, like the family I met in the store yesterday. Typical Scandanavian outlook on life :"Ya, the hurricane will be our first, it should be interesting". Not a hint of any emotion either way.
This a company I never heard a before.
Quote from: MarkT on August 24, 2018, 04:39:50 PM
Wow, the things people will spend money on rather than developing skills and earning how to use their equipment.
Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner.
Hey, if it works good... Ever toss out your best lure, maybe even one you made yourself, and a massive backlash( the type where you can't even reel back in)allows it to sink and snag-up on the bottom? Ever go out in the pre-dawn darkness and backlash cause you can't see when your lure hits the water?
Fred,
I believe, "ve ar to soon alt, und to late shmart"
is closer to German sentence structure... and sounds cooler
Quote from: Gfish on August 24, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
Hey, if it works good... Ever toss out your best lure, maybe even one you made yourself, and a massive backlash( the type where you can't even reel back in)allows it to sink and snag-up on the bottom? Ever go out in the pre-dawn darkness and backlash cause you can't see when your lure hits the water?
Hey I happen to like this development, I called it "brilliant" already. But I'll tell ya, every time I walk into a store that sells the latest tackle, I feel like the poor fish don't have a chance anymore! The sheer number of reels/rods/lures along with all the latest tech makes me dizzy! We're gonna run outta fish man!
Quote from: philaroman on August 24, 2018, 07:38:42 PM
Fred,
I believe, "ve ar to soon alt, und to late shmart"
is closer to German sentence structure... and sounds cooler
Wer sagt man das auf deutsh, Sagn sie mir. Joe
Quote from: nelz on August 24, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Gfish on August 24, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
Hey, if it works good... Ever toss out your best lure, maybe even one you made yourself, and a massive backlash( the type where you can't even reel back in)allows it to sink and snag-up on the bottom? Ever go out in the pre-dawn darkness and backlash cause you can't see when your lure hits the water?
Hey I happen to like this development, I called it "brilliant" already. But I'll tell ya, every time I walk into a store that sells the latest tackle, I feel like the poor fish don't have a chance anymore! The sheer number of reels/rods/lures along with all the latest tech makes me dizzy! We're gonna run outta fish man!
First fish(already happenin), then money.
I say B.S. Their centrifugal break does not make contact until the lure splashes down. Spool over-run can and does happen before the lure splashes down so there has to be another braking system to slow the cast while the lure is still in the air (magnets, traditional centrifugal brakes or spool tension). Stopping the spool at splash down is not difficult; even I can do it. Moderating the spool speed while the lure is in the air is the hard part. Magnets and the traditional centrifugal braking systems provide very little braking pressure at low spool speed and more braking pressure at high speeds.
The second point is that their brake is adding a lot of weight to the spool. Light weight spools cast better than heavy spools.
I love and hate Swedish engineers. In their day, ABU made great reels and Volvo made great cars. But, the Swedes do not know when to stop and will over-engineer stuff to the point where it is too complicated to be dependable.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on August 24, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
I say B.S. Their centrifugal break does not make contact until the lure splashes down. Spool over-run can and does happen before the lure splashes down so there has to be another braking system to slow the cast while the lure is still in the air (magnets, traditional centrifugal brakes or spool tension). Stopping the spool at splash down is not difficult; even I can do it. Moderating the spool speed while the lure is in the air is the hard part. Magnets and the traditional centrifugal braking systems provide very little braking pressure at low spool speed and more braking pressure at high speeds.
I love and hate Swedish engineers. In their day, ABU made great reels and Volvo made great cars. But, the Swedes do not know when to stop and will over-engineer stuff to the point where it is too complicated to be dependable.
-steve
Agree with most of that Steve, except, haven't you ever fished in the dark, and you can't tell when splash-down's gonna happen? Then, "ahhhgahhhh!" Big backlash. Like Tommy's talkin bout, I've been goin toa spinner when I first go out in the am and it's still dark.
Quote from: oc1 on August 24, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
the Swedes do not know when to stop and will over-engineer stuff to the point where it is too complicated to be dependable.
-steve
And too expensive to fix :(
Quote from: Reel 224 on August 24, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: philaroman on August 24, 2018, 07:38:42 PM
Fred,
I believe, "ve ar to soon alt, und to late shmart"
is closer to German sentence structure... and sounds cooler
Wer sagt man das auf deutsh, Sagn sie mir. Joe
OK, so you made me look it up & it's most likely Pa. Dutch
Quote from: philaroman on August 24, 2018, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on August 24, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: philaroman on August 24, 2018, 07:38:42 PM
Fred,
I believe, "ve ar to soon alt, und to late shmart"
is closer to German sentence structure... and sounds cooler
Wer sagt man das auf deutsh, Sagn sie mir. Joe
OK, so you made me look it up & it's most likely Pa. Dutch
OH danke schon. Thank you.................joe
The market place will make the decision if this is a viable product.
Think I'll pre order four of them for loaner reels.
Quote from: David Hall on August 24, 2018, 11:42:32 PM
Think I'll pre order four of them for loaner reels.
Great! - Can I borrow one please? ;D
Greg, my eyesight is probably about like you fishing in the dark. I loose sight of the jig sometimes but can usually judge it by the sound of the reel.
-steve
Quote from: Gfish on August 24, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
Hey, if it works good... Ever toss out your best lure, maybe even one you made yourself, and a massive backlash( the type where you can't even reel back in)allows it to sink and snag-up on the bottom? Ever go out in the pre-dawn darkness and backlash cause you can't see when your lure hits the water?
QuoteLike Tommy's talkin bout, I've been goin toa spinner when I first go out in the am and it's still dark.
Greg,
You guessed my thoughts before I could respond. ;) No, not since I switched to open face spinners and dumped a 5 gal bucket of bait casters overboard. ;D
Quote from: Gfish on August 24, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
Hey, if it works good... Ever toss out your best lure, maybe even one you made yourself, and a massive backlash( the type where you can't even reel back in)allows it to sink and snag-up on the bottom? Ever go out in the pre-dawn darkness and backlash cause you can't see when your lure hits the water?
Yes, but it's been a long, long time.
Ron
Dont think I would buy a reel with this feature. But I really thought it was pretty cool... Jeff
(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/19289_16_11_18_10_21_53.jpeg) Here's an old school handmade Penn cast control device from the 60's or before then. I don't remember the name if the device but it was made/sold by "Hermosa Tackle Box" a shop located on the end of the Hermosa Beach Pier back in the day. Yeah it looks kinda goofy but it really works! It works by way of a spring on the post/crossbar that is very adjustable, the nub (leather) below the bar rubs against the spool as line tension decreases toward the end of the cast. The reels are Penn 500 & 140. I still use 'em for old school style surf fishing. 13' rods, 3-4oz sinkers and bait. Where this deal shines is for surf fishing at night when normally you can't see the loops build up at the end of the cast and this device works better than you would think, you only need your thumb about when the rig hits the water, sweet. I could also use this setup for catfishing at night if long casts were needed. I still use these reels for surf fishing by day, not so much by night anymore since you can't park at night on the Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu without getting ticketed or towed, the cops don't usually share your concerns about the right tides!
Yellowcat, this is this first I've seen of this. Maybe I'm not understanding it completely. I dont understand how this would work with out drastically decreasing distance. I having trouble also understanding peoples need to see at night when casting a conventional reel. This of course being when casting into a general area & pin point accuracy is not needed... Jeff
Quote from: Yellowcat on November 16, 2018, 08:57:42 PM
(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/19289_16_11_18_10_21_53.jpeg) Here's an old school handmade Penn cast control device from the 60's or before then. I don't remember the name if the device but it was made/sold by "Hermosa Tackle Box" a shop located on the end of the Hermosa Beach Pier back in the day. Yeah it looks kinda goofy but it really works! It works by way of a spring on the post/crossbar that is very adjustable, the nub (leather) below the bar rubs against the spool as line tension decreases toward the end of the cast. The reels are Penn 500 & 140. I still use 'em for old school style surf fishing. 13' rods, 3-4oz sinkers and bait. Where this deal shines is for surf fishing at night when normally you can't see the loops build up at the end of the cast and this device works better than you would think, you only need your thumb about when the rig hits the water, sweet. I could also use this setup for catfishing at night if long casts were needed. I still use these reels for surf fishing by day, not so much by night anymore since you can't park at night on the Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu without getting ticketed or towed, the cops don't usually share your concerns about the right tides!
I got a few a while back from a friend in Ireland, I thought they were made in England. I sent a set or two to Keta ( Lee )per my friend request.
I did try those and yes they do work.
Sal
Here's how and why this thing works. You start the cast as with any conventional reel, thumb on the spool at first then feathering the spool as the line goes out. At this point the line goes through the rectangular frame to the guides in the position shown on the reel with the yellow line, the device does not have any effect on the cast at this stage. In this case long distance surf casting for lets say, 80 yards, taking around 7 seconds 'till it hits the water. Any cast is an arc, as gravity takes over, the line coming off the spool starts to slow down past the middle of the cast. This is how backlashes occur, when the spool rotation speed remains the same and the exiting line speed slows down, creating loops that tangle one another. What this device does, at the point when the line speed slows, the spring loaded frame rises up, (the position as shown on the other reel) and the little peg underneath comes in contact with the spool, slowing the spool speed to match the exiting line speed making for a smooth long backlash-free cast. Functionally genius, really...
Quote from: Rivverrat on November 17, 2018, 01:18:44 AM
Yellowcat, this is this first I've seen of this. Maybe I'm not understanding it completely. I dont understand how this would work with drastically decreasing distance. I having trouble also understanding peoples need to see at night when casting a conventional reel. This of course being when casting into a general area & pin point accuracy is not needed... Jeff
Maybe it's just me, but just before/or just as, the terminal tackle hits the water, I gotta stop my spool with my thumb to prevent overrun. So really, I gotta see it. I've cast in darkness with baitcasters, flyfishing rigs and spinners. Spinnners are the most problem free for me.
Cool Yellowcat. Great explaination. Any references as to where one could get onea these devices?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3510084
I think that is the one .
For Gfish: With this device you still need your thumb at the end of the cast. With practice you learn the timing required to thumb the spool at the beginning and end of the cast, the device helps overall but it only does so much, requiring interaction between man and machine to achieve that Zen-like perfect harmony between you and your tackle. This thing ain't perfect by any stretch, too much force at the beginning of the cast will backlash horribly too, as with an unforseen sudden gust of wind. This works well with a more parabolic taper, fiberglass rod. Trying a 'whip' cast with a fast taper composite rod with this deal will have dire consequences.. About finding one, good luck with that, I have had the one probably since the 70's, found another on eBay around 5 years ago.
For oldmanjoe: Thanks for finding that patented version. Way resourceful on here! The patented device is not the same one I've shown which was probably made in the early 60's perhaps in the 50's? The one's I have are amazingly simple by comparison to the patented one. It seem to be an obvious attempt, not just to duplicate the original but to improve on the concept and add more means of adjustment. I admire the attempt and ingenuity involved with the 'improved' version but to to my mind, overly complicated by comparison. Brings up a favorite phrase: "A camel is a horse designed by a committee"
Yellowcat, thanks for the explanation. Joe thanks for looking up the the patent info & schematic.
Even though I seldom use any type of cast control I still find this very intriguing. Hope to find one to play with a bit. Thanks for posting this... Jeff