I received the custom insert from Adam (Three se7ens) and decided to give it a try. I was going to mount the reel and take it outside, but everything is frozen, so this will have to do for now.
(https://i.imgur.com/HJOvEGl.jpg)
I decided to place them in a 115L (9/0).
(https://i.imgur.com/61Af8oh.jpg)
The kit comes with an Acetal washer for under the gear, I believe this one is a must, (6) 1mm carbon fiber washers, (5) .80mm keyed ss washers , (1) 2.60mm keyed washer for the top and of coarse the insert
(https://i.imgur.com/uWdr47q.jpg)
Here is the layout
(https://i.imgur.com/ZBBi5tY.jpg)
I tried installing the insert through the opening, but wasn't able to, so I took it apart
(https://i.imgur.com/nSVsyL6.jpg)
here are the washers fully seated in the gear
(https://i.imgur.com/HBh3ZbS.jpg)
I will try these by using a Top-Hat washer with an Acetal washer underneath
(https://i.imgur.com/SdVin76.jpg)
I tied the line to a 4x4 post, attached a scale and pulled on the reel whle holding it with both hands
(https://i.imgur.com/f528OBB.jpg)
Here is what I got, 65lbs
(https://i.imgur.com/IGHFi7A.jpg)
Yes you will be able to pull 65lbs, it isn't easy, but if I can do it so can you. Be careful though, make sure you use a strong line, also, whatever you attach the line to could take it. This is some serious weight, if something snaps, you could really get hurt.
I took the reel apart to check on the washers and everything else and all looked good
(https://i.imgur.com/QXkVBcJ.jpg)
this time I decided to go with the original washer with the felt and spacer, i'm showing it on the right
(https://i.imgur.com/QXkVBcJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lmr4Qno.jpg)
Tied the line to the post again and gave it a pull.
This is what I got this time, 70lbs
(https://i.imgur.com/kyfIrhU.jpg)
By the way, listen to these poppies go, titanium dog springs from Gary.
This test is done for the purpose of testing the insert, the washers, the gears and everything else to their limitations.
I was thrilled with the results.
The drags on the reel increased gradually, I got to 70lbs by turning the star with one hand, not easy at max, but still able to.
This reel is ridiculously smooth at 35lbs and that's where I would recommend to max it at.
Me personally, when the time calls for it, I'll go as far I could. To me it would be exciting having a monster blow one of my reels.
I was surprised to find that using the stock washer gave better results than the Top-Hat, that washer has a ring where the felt washer attaches to, there goes that theory of having a wide belleville on top to spread the load.
This reel did much better with a ring no thicker than 1/16" making contact on the top of the drag stack. The numbers were higher and the star turned with less effort.
By the way an Acetal washer was installed on top and bottom on both combinations.
This upgrade just gave the Sharks and Tunas a harder time.
This is an excellent upgrade thank you Adam for making these available to us, I believe you hit it out of the park with this one.
With that said, as for these upgrades and all others we've been doing, you guys do it at your own risk.
I will not be responsible if you get hurt or if your reel blows up, I'm simply putting out information on what's out there and available to us, the rest is up to you.
Any questions, just ask...enjoy it!
Sal
You big tease. :D :D Dominick
Very impressive, its actually a little higher than I was expecting.
Thank you for testing these.
I need to make some adjustments and tweaks to make the manufacturing aspect a little more consistent. Next week Ill have pricing finalized, and have some available for purchase.
Adam, I need to ask a favor, if you could, could you make an Acetal washer in the same dimensions as the felt washer? I would love to replace that felt washer with it.
I believe McMastersCarr has the correct thickness, that would be awesome.
Thanks!
Sal
Great Work Adam and Sal!
70Lbs! WOW!
70lbs AWESOME :o
That looks like a truely winning combination.
Great work on design and production Adam!
&
Great job testing these beasts Sal!
I love the design, and think the under and over gear Delron washers are key to isolating the drag stack, and allowing it to function smoothly, especially at higher drag settings. I think the top hat coupled with a heavy Belleville should work well.
Sal,
I am wondering if you have experimented at all with trying to use different styles and/or combinations of spring washers or cupped Belleville washers to try to obtain a smoother/more linear low-end drag curve here? Seems to me that once you start talking these kinds of numbers, the shape and characteristics of the drag curve take on new meaning. Would 2 cupped Belleville washers possibly 'lay out' or flatten the curve a bit? I am wondering if you get to a point where small changes in the star equal big changes in drag numbers. Maybe it would prove useful to include different drag output at different star positions in the testing phase, or to plot a simple drag curve graph with a few points?
My other question regarding these inserts is regarding the availability of the CF washers. Sounds like these will be included in the kits, but what about several years down the road, when/if they might need replacing? Is there any way that the design could utilize some stock penn parts that may wear out, so that future parts availability will not be an issue? (i.e. are the 6N-525MAG* CF washers just too small to have considered designing these inserts to work with?, or is that moving backwards?)
Note: I see this is being discussed in another thread already...
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13339.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13339.0)
Also, I was wondering how these guys would perform in the 12/0 with the more recently available stock stainless steel gears, and upcomming stainless gear sleeves?
Would it be terribly difficult and/or cost prohibitive to machine a few inserts with appropriate dimensions to fit this larger main gear? I am sure a market exists, but I guess that would be a different project altogether and outside the scope of this thread.
These inserts are not my forte and it looks like you guys have this well in hand. Just thought I'd share some thoughts.
Great work!
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6N-525MAG.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6N-525MAG.aspx)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Were those stock gears Sal? Or Chui's?
Quote from: Tightlines666 on March 07, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
That looks like a truely winning combination. Great work on design and production Adam! and great joh testing these beasts Sal!
I love the design, and think the under and over gear Delron washers are key to isolating the drag stack, and allowing it to function smoothly, especially at higher drag settings. I think the top hat coupled with a heavy Belleville should work well.
Sal,
I am wondering if you have experimented at all with trying to use different styles and/or combinations of spring washers or cupped Belleville washers to try to obtain a smoother/more linear low-end drag curve here? Seems to me that once you start talking these kinds of numbers, the shape and characteristics ofbthe drag curve take on new meaning. Would 2 cupped Belleville washers possibly 'lay out' or flatten the curve a bit? I am wondering if you get to a point where small changes in the star equal big changes in drag numbers. Maybe it would prove useful to include different drag output at different star pisitions in the testing phase, or to plot a simple drag curve graph with a few points?
My other question regarding these inserts is regarding the availability of the CF washers. Sounds like these will be included in the kits, but what about several years down the road, when/if the might need replacing. Is there any way that the design could utilize some stock penn parts that may wear out, so that future parts availability will not be an issue?
Also, I was wondering if you had tested these inserts in the newer stock penn stainless gear sets.
These inserts are not my forte and it looks like you guys have this well in hand. Just thought I'd share some thoughts.
Great work!
I believe all the newer penn stainless gears already have the versa-drag system, so there is no need for this insert, not will it fit.
The low end linearity of this kit is already really good, I tested 7 washers in my 9/0, while Sal's and the rest will only have 6 carbon washers. The minimum drag on mine was only 2 lbs and it ramped up smoothly and progressively. You would have no problem fishing this at 8-10 lbs of drag. The drag cure is quite nice here, and I think the issue you are thinking of is more related to lever drag reels.
I talked about washer availability in another post, but Ill mention it again here. I am not bound by minimum orders or long lead times for a production run. I typically have parts in hand in a week after placing an order with the cutter. Replacement washers will always be available, and I will start stocking replacements soon after these are available for purchase.
Daron, I think Sal used a steel penn gear.
Quote from: Three se7ens on March 07, 2015, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on March 07, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
That looks like a truely winning combination. Great work on design and production Adam! and great joh testing these beasts Sal!
I love the design, and think the under and over gear Delron washers are key to isolating the drag stack, and allowing it to function smoothly, especially at higher drag settings. I think the top hat coupled with a heavy Belleville should work well.
Sal,
I am wondering if you have experimented at all with trying to use different styles and/or combinations of spring washers or cupped Belleville washers to try to obtain a smoother/more linear low-end drag curve here? Seems to me that once you start talking these kinds of numbers, the shape and characteristics ofbthe drag curve take on new meaning. Would 2 cupped Belleville washers possibly 'lay out' or flatten the curve a bit? I am wondering if you get to a point where small changes in the star equal big changes in drag numbers. Maybe it would prove useful to include different drag output at different star pisitions in the testing phase, or to plot a simple drag curve graph with a few points?
My other question regarding these inserts is regarding the availability of the CF washers. Sounds like these will be included in the kits, but what about several years down the road, when/if the might need replacing. Is there any way that the design could utilize some stock penn parts that may wear out, so that future parts availability will not be an issue?
Also, I was wondering if you had tested these inserts in the newer stock penn stainless gear sets.
These inserts are not my forte and it looks like you guys have this well in hand. Just thought I'd share some thoughts.
Great work!
I believe all the newer penn stainless gears already have the versa-drag system, so there is no need for this insert, not will it fit.
The low end linearity of this kit is already really good, I tested 7 washers in my 9/0, while Sal's and the rest will only have 6 carbon washers. The minimum drag on mine was only 2 lbs and it ramped up smoothly and progressively. You would have no problem fishing this at 8-10 lbs of drag. The drag cure is quite nice here, and I think the issue you are thinking of is more related to lever drag reels.
I talked about washer availability in another post, but Ill mention it again here. I am not bound by minimum orders or long lead times for a production run. I typically have parts in hand in a week after placing an order with the cutter. Replacement washers will always be available, and I will start stocking replacements soon after these are available for purchase.
Daron, I think Sal used a steel penn gear.
I modified my origional post as I got a few of my thoughts straightened out.
Great news on CF washer availability.
Good to hear the config tested had a good low end drag curve. I know the drag curve talk is usually reserved for lever drag reels, but I think it can be applicable to star drag models as well. As I'm sure you know, the spring washers do more then just keep the star from backing off.
The third thought then was whether it may be feasable to produce inserts down the road to fit in the stock 12/0 stainless mains, and if so, to maybe consider the use of the same inner gear dimensions, or CF washers that you are using here. 70lbs max is plenty for a 12 or even 14/0 reel. Though I am not so sure the stock stands (and posts) would be up to the task. A beefier stand (like cal produced for the International 80s), and 3 stainless cross bars to replace paired posts Would likely solve that issue though. Now I'm just musing.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on March 07, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
That looks like a truely winning combination. Great work on design and production Adam! and great joh testing these beasts Sal!
I love the design, and think the under and over gear Delron washers are key to isolating the drag stack, and allowing it to function smoothly, especially at higher drag settings. I think the top hat coupled with a heavy Belleville should work well.
Sal,
I am wondering if you have experimented at all with trying to use different styles and/or combinations of spring washers or cupped Belleville washers to try to obtain a smoother/more linear low-end drag curve here? Seems to me that once you start talking these kinds of numbers, the shape and characteristics of the drag curve take on new meaning. Would 2 cupped Belleville washers possibly 'lay out' or flatten the curve a bit? I am wondering if you get to a point where small changes in the star equal big changes in drag numbers. Maybe it would prove useful to include different drag output at different star positions in the testing phase, or to plot a simple drag curve graph with a few points?
My other question regarding these inserts is regarding the availability of the CF washers. Sounds like these will be included in the kits, but what about several years down the road, when/if they might need replacing? Is there any way that the design could utilize some stock penn parts (i.e. are the 6N-525MAG* CF washers just too small to have considered designing these inserts to work with?, or is that moving backwards?) that may wear out, so that future parts availability will not be an issue?
Also, I was wondering how these guys would perform in the 12/0 with the more recently available stock stainless steel gears, and upcomming stainless gear sleeves? Would it be terribly difficult to machine a few inserts with appropriate dimensions to fit this larger main gear? Guess that would be a different project altogether and outside the scope of this thread.
These inserts are not my forte and it looks like you guys have this well in hand. Just thought I'd share some thoughts.
Great work!
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6N-525MAG.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6N-525MAG.aspx)
John, no need to experiment with spring washers, I tried two different ones and the stock did much better. This experiment proved what I always thought, a tension spring in smaller diameter does much better than a Belleville. The pressure will spread out just the same, but the star will spin with less effort with the smaller spring. I mentioned this above.
About the drag curve, that's what makes this kit awesome, you'll be in charge of how steep you want it or how soft. I can assure you, on mine it will be set at its fullest.
Sal
Quote from: Three se7ens on March 07, 2015, 11:20:41 PM
Daron, I think Sal used a steel penn gear.
The gears are Black Pearl's with the heat treated pinion and they did very good I might add.
Although I don't show every little details, the washers and gears have been inspected with a magnifying glass. Not a sign of stress on both.
The 4x4 post by the steps was custom made by me from an old 8"x8" post that was originally in front of the house and I decided to reuse it. It is bolted from the inside with 5" log bolts and 2" washers. When I pulled at around 60Lbs, the post made some noise, but stayed put.
This insert is OVER THE TOP!! I got my 113h set and it is such an improvement to the drag.....I don't know where to start! If the fit and finish was anything less than spot on then I think it would be so-so. Not so in this case. I think this set would give any penn gear set that extra room for " bearing down " even for the brass set of gears. Let's face it, if you were to have a decent fish on and had a stock set of gears WITH the insert installed, well you could button down on that fish and have a better than average chance of beating it. My point being...you don't need SS everything to put these in. The drag is there IF you need it!
Bob, I agree with you, but not all the way.
This kit makes the reel extremely smooth at 30+Lbs, a smooth reel has a harder time to fail than a jerky one.
With that said, if I had the brass gears and not Black Pearl's gears with the heat treated pinion, I'm pretty sure I would have damaged the gears at 60+Lbs.
I would like someone else to try to pull he reel at 70Lbs, not that it can't be done, we already know it can, I just want him to feel the force it takes to get it there.
I'm with you Sal,
There is no way a stock Penn gear can take that kind of Pressure for an extended period of time.
70lbs of drag is about twice what a stock 14/0 can put out. There is no way an average individual can hold onto that for longer than a couple minutes.
I can see this set should only be used with Chui's Gears if you plan on buttoning it down.
That was a great test!
John,
Hold your horses brother. ;) The Big Dogs are coming! ;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 08, 2015, 12:36:57 AM
I'm with you Sal,
There is no way a stock Penn gear can take that kind of Pressure for an extended period of time.
70lbs of drag is about twice what a stock 14/0 can put out. There is no way an average individual can hold onto that for longer than a couple minutes.
I can see this set should only be used with Chui's Gears if you plan on buttoning it down.
That was a great test!
John,
Hold your horses brother. ;) The Big Dogs are coming! ;D
Daron,
Don't forget the Accurate gear set. If it was not Accurate, we would not have what we have today...
Sounds like this insert will be a great addition to my VERY slow 9/0 project. All I really need is 35-45lb of drag so this is perfect.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 08, 2015, 12:36:57 AM
I'm with you Sal,
There is no way a stock Penn gear can take that kind of Pressure for an extended period of time.
70lbs of drag is about twice what a stock 14/0 can put out. There is no way an average individual can hold onto that for longer than a couple minutes.
I can see this set should only be used with Chui's Gears if you plan on buttoning it down.
That was a great test!
John,
Hold your horses brother. ;) The Big Dogs are coming! ;D
:)
All this talk of big drag numbers out of conventional reels is just getting me a bit excited...don't mean to 'put the horse in front of the cart' or anything.
Just to clarify... stock gear sets for both the 12 and 14/0 are stainless now, I think they could certainly handle these numbers, its the other parts on the reel I would be concerned with.
Sal/Daron, I agree! What I'm talking about is if you wanted to drop these into a standard set of brass gears for the folks that DONT want to invest another $65+ for gears this would give you that extra comfort of knowing IF YOU NEEDED more you could.!
Quote from: BMITCH on March 08, 2015, 12:52:33 AM
Sal/Daron, I agree! What I'm talking about is if you wanted to drop these into a standard set of brass gears for the folks that DONT want to invest another $65+ for gears this would give you that extra comfort of knowing IF YOU NEEDED more you could.!
I foresee pictures of failed stock gear sets down the road. Hopefully no injuries will accompany the failures. I think if the gear set remains stationary it can take much higher loads, then if it is moving. I.e. do not crank under loads exceeding design specs, and the gear may hold up.
Yet another reason why I have always favored the lift and pump technique when fighting big fish in deep water. It is easier on your gear. I think many of the failures and damage I see in larger reels are due to people fishingbthem out of specs, and/or cranking or dropping the reel when it is under high load.
I hear you John, but I believe this reel could do much better than stock from Penn. I know that the Acetal at the bottom and one on top is helping making this reel very smooth, a smooth reel doesn't fail.
We have a mean fishing machine here, we should all be proud.
Who needs a 700 or 800 dollars reel when you have this. I can't wait to take my 6/0 narrows on my next trip, when able to do so.
Keep in mind, the beauty about this latest upgrade is you could make this reel a 10Lbs reel, 20Lbs, 30Lbs and so on, or if you're like me a 70Lbs reel ;).
;);)(http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp83232%3Euqcshlukaxroqdfv34%3A97%3Enu%3D475%3A%3E233%3E%3A34%3EWSNRCG%3D35%3C9599365346nu0mrj)
RockyR, that's way cool. If only :o ;)
RockyR, now let's see it in a modern disc/caliper setup. ;D RUDY
(http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp83232%3Euqcshlukaxroqdfv3487%3B%3Enu%3D475%3A%3E233%3E%3A34%3EWSNRCG%3D35%3C95%3A82%3C7346nu0mrj)
I like the disc brake setup, drum brakes are miserable to service ;D
EXCELLENT!!!! ;D ;D ;D Hey Sal, how about that cutaway?
Yes that is cool and I'm familiar with the disc brakes, I replace my own, but I wouldn't be able to cut my own :-\.
As Adam mentioned, you could keep the drum brakes ;D.
Somebody is good with the photoshop.
It doesn't matter if its drum or discs. I do my own like Sal said.
Brake jobs are the biggest rip off ever.
So heres the deal with these kits: Im going to change the design a little on future runs to make manufacturing them a little easier, and more consistent, so Im going to sell off this first batch at a reduced price. Replacement parts will always be available, but on a special order basis. Also, these may be a little tight on the gear, so it may take a little fitting.
I have 2 sets left Im offering at $30 each plus shipping.
Adam, are there any of these left?
Charlie
PM sent.
Quote from: borchcl on March 18, 2015, 01:44:35 AM
Adam, are there any of these left?
Charlie
I have 1 left of this batch at $30. I'll have more in about 2 weeks.
When will your next batch be ready
I'm aiming for the end of next week, I need to drop off more material at the cutter since I'm using a special thickness for the inserts.
I am interested in one of these when they are ready.
Following Sal's lead as usual. I have one of Adam's inserts in a Black Pearl gear here. I'm going to use the original setup and replace that felt washer with Delrin. The advent of these inserts brings the Senator to a new level.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2890_zpsphblx3cm.jpg)
Now you are getting me excited. Definately need the stainless (or old style steel) gear sets, and sleeves with these guys. Whoever ends up testing these needs to be very careful.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 13, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Following Sal's lead as usual. I have one of Adam's inserts in a Black Pearl gear here. I'm going to use the original setup and replace that felt washer with Delrin. The advent of these inserts brings the Senator to a new level.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2890_zpsphblx3cm.jpg)
All that stainless in one area looks amazing!!
So, I have a stock 114H with maroon sides. What all do I need to do to it to make this work and where do I get it? I looked into upgrading mine last year and life happened. It looks like all of my researched sites for parts that I was going to use havedried up and closed down. So now I have to start over... :-[
I gather that I need to get:
The drag insert. From where?
Chui's gears. From where?
S/S sleeve. From where?
What else do I need?
Thanks
You need to get the insert from Adam.
The ss sleeve from Alan.
The Gears from Black Pearl.
Its all right here. Take a look around.
It get pricey upgrading all of that, Just make sure you need all of it.
You can get the insert here http://motivefab.com/products-page/reels , but I think Adam has to make more inserts so you might just want to PM him.
The gears here https://squareup.com/market/pro-challenger-llc
Then PM Alan Tani for the gear sleeve.
Then one thing I might recommend is a SS yoke from Dawn at smooth drag. And then look into some power handle up grades.
Im still 2 weeks out on having more 114H/115L inserts ready to ship. Almost out of the 113H ones now too.
Sorry about the delay on these, but I'm having quality issues with the cutter. Part of it is machine issues(out of round parts) and part of it is operator issues. I'll have a few here and there as I can piece together workable kits, but I don't want to order a bunch until it's all sorted.
I'll still have my other parts available, the tolerances aren't such an issue on those.
Your QC is better than mine too.
any update on when tese may be available?
the waterjet finally got fixed, so I'm putting in an order next week. I'll have the kits available in a couple of weeks.
I have been putting the last thick spring washer on upside down so the smooth edges are up. I then add the Delrin washer on top of that before the drag star. I do this on the 114H and 115. It makes turning the star much easier.
Are the inserts still available
Yes. Information on the last batch is here. (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17226.0)
Pm me with how many sets you want and I will send you an invoice.
Quote from: WOTHoyt on January 26, 2017, 11:04:00 PM
What's the trick of getting a motive insert into a Pro Challenger SS Main. It does not drop in like it does with a Penn steel main. I did a lot of research before I went this direction and I could have gone with a Pro Challenger SS Hex gearset and saved myself a big headache!
Not a big deal really...
Check out my response in your other thread.
John
It took allot of sanding for me.
Keith
A dremel with a sanding drum does a good job. I've had to touch up a few, not really a big deal. If you have a press many times no sanding is required, but only if its close.
Sal:
This particular build has inspired me to adopt this "red headed stepchild", 114 as my happy reel. It is now one of the most versatile reels I own. I caught Big Bluefin 1n 2017 with a 114 built to Sal-specs and a full load of stainless steel to boot! I fish it with hollow 130# and loop to loop leaders on a metal butt, Seeker 660H 40-100 with a really nice Aussi roller tip. I am one of the few, stand up, one speed, star drag reel owners getting this job done now days and it has been made possible due to all the good folks right here on AT's site. Thank you all so very much.
It would be greatly appreciated if you would re-up the photos on this build. I do not understand the Photo Bucket, ransom for photos thing that has happened. When I replicate this build for friends and customers it is a good tool to have this write-up with pictures so they can understand how and why this overlooked reel is now one of the best and most versatile reels they could own. If this cannot be done, please offer me a workable solution so I may obtain this , most helpful, information.
I remain at your disposal,
Hoyt
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Done!
Quote from: WOTHoyt on April 27, 2018, 03:21:12 PM
Sal:
It would be greatly appreciated if you would re-up the photos on this build. I do not understand the Photo Bucket, ransom for photos thing that has happened. When I replicate this build for friends and customers it is a good tool to have this write-up with pictures so they can understand how and why this overlooked reel is now one of the best and most versatile reels they could own. If this cannot be done, please offer me a workable solution so I may obtain this , most helpful, information.
I remain at your disposal,
Hoyt
Hoyt, I had the same issue.
I just installed this Google Chrome add-in and, by cracky, it works!
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-hotlink-fix/kegnjbncdcliihbemealioapbifiaedg
-gary
Best option is still to download the pics again though.
I haven't done it on most, simply because they're old posts.
Best,
Sal
The photobucket image was killing me not being able to see the images. Only imagining what was being described.
The patch worked for me so I can now see stacks and builds. ;D
-gary
If you have or can get a stock steel Penn main gear the insert fits right in with no slack and no sanding.
Thank you for fixing the photo's on this build.
H~
Would you happen to have any 115 drag kits available?
Regrettably, we haven't heard from Adam (3sevens) in a long time. It is likely he has stopped operating Motive Fabrication, though it is possible someone here on the site may have a set they are willing to part with. Adam made some seriously nice parts.
John
Also regrettably they commonly failed under the higher drag pressures they were meant to be used. The ears of the drag material would round off. Especially if greased.
You could try a set of 7+1 drag sets from Bryan. They use the original CF Penn drag washers with thinner metal washers. It gives you 7 washers in the same space as the original 5 with at least 10 more #'s of drag. They are available from Mystic under the 114H & 115L listings. That way if you ever have to replace them you can use original Penn CF washers. Rudy
Quote from: handi2 on March 30, 2022, 06:14:42 PMAlso regrettably they commonly failed under the higher drag pressures they were meant to be used. The ears of the drag material would round off. Especially if greased.
wondering how many times this set was used on the max pressures in order to give up or even what kind of sea monsters were caught on the good'old 6/0 reel. Sal tested them before being available to sell reaching 70# drag but sometimes laboratory tests arent the same than real world test.
Lots of memories (and departed friends) in this old thread!