This connection tutorial will be helpful for many applications including: wire rigs, marking wire for trolling, etc.
I'm using 40lb. test monel wire and a dubro haywire twist tool (sm. size) to make life a lot easier. If you're not using the tool, you'll still learn how to do it by hand with my explanation.
The dubro twist tool is a three piece tool- the head (plastic), the (metal) body with a slit, and the (plastic) bottom with two holes in it.
1) Make sure when you start with the tool- you twist it first, otherwise it won't lock in your wire. Put the wire through one of the holes in the bottom, up through, and loop back down through the hole in the top through the second hole in the bottom. Leave at least a 5" of tag end to work with and at least a 1.5" loop for the dacron to fit on.
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2) Now, holding the loop with your left hand you twist the tool clockwise (keeping slight pressure upward towards the loop so your wraps are nice and tight, but not bent) until you have about 5 wraps (more if you want). If your doing this part by hand make sure you twist both wires not just one around the other.
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3) Take a small needle nose plier to hold the first wrap closest to the loop, slide the tool down the wire until the shorter (tag end) wire pops out of the tool. Bend the tag end 90 degrees at the base of your wraps, and slide the tool up to meet the bend.
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4) Keep the pliers where they were on the last step. Twist the tool clockwise until you've formed about 7 complete barrel wraps. Untwist the tool to where the slits on the plastic head and the metal body line up to remove the tool from the equation.
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5) Take the tag end that you have left over, and roughly half way up make a 90 degree bend in it to where the tip of the tag end is perpendicular to the standing part of the wire.
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6) If my left hand was holding the standing part of the wire I would use my right hand to grab the tag end at the 90 degree bend, and begin rotating counter clockwise keeping the tag end of the wire perpendicular to the standing wire. It will then snap cleanly at the last barrel wrap after 1 or 2 full rotations- if not keep going until it does.
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7) ...and voila, a clean break... Well Done!
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8.) Now, to the connection with the 100 lb. test hi-vis dacron (for easy to sight markers.)
Put the dacron through from the back of the loop, and pull through about 16" of line.
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9) Bring the entire tag end around the back side of the loop. (In photo: standing line is on right and tag end is on left)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2802.jpg) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/316broadway/media/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2802.jpg.html)
10) With left hand pinch the overlap towards the base of the loop to hold firm.
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11) Overlap the wraps going towards the the tip of the loop keeping all wraps inline and tidy. By keeping the wraps tight to each other your end product will be that much easier to snug up and neater looking.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2804.jpg) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/316broadway/media/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2804.jpg.html)
12) I usually wrap (depending on the diameter of your line and material- adjust accordingly... the thicker the line the less wraps necessary, but do at least 7-9) until I can just barely fit the tag end through the loop. You MUST put the tag end through the loop the same way the standing line is going through. In our case we have to put it through the top going down.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2805.jpg) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/316broadway/media/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2805.jpg.html)
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13) (read this whole step first, then try it) Now, holding the wire with your left hand, take both ends of the dacron (standing and tag) ravel them around your right index and pointer finger. Pull snugly on both the wire and the dacron while working the wraps down with whatever fingers or toes you have available. When you can't get it any tighter holding both ends of the dacron let go of the tag end and just pull the standing line of the dacron and the wire to fully snug up. If you got it tight enough by working the wraps down and pulling with both lines this will work out perfectly. If not your wraps may overlap. If this happens and they can be worked back in line then go for it, otherwise start over.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2807.jpg) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/316broadway/media/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2807.jpg.html)
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14) Hold standing dacron away to avoid cutting by mistake. Cut the tag end when you've snugged her down, leaving about 1/4" tag so you can take a cigarette lighter near (not touching) to create a mushroom tip to help prevent it from going back through the loop. This has never happened to me, though I always feel better with a back up.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2810.jpg) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/316broadway/media/Haywire%20to%20Albright%20Connection-%20wire%20to%20dacron/IMG_2810.jpg.html)
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You did it! ;)
I have to give you tutorial guys credit... this stuff is no joke... you're lucky I love yas!
Hope this helps you guys who like to or have to use wire,
Dom
Dom: I'm proud of ya. Great job. Everyone on this site loves pictures even if we don't understand the subject matter. ;D Dominick
x2 on Dominick's post - great job Dom.
Never seen wire line before.
Must be a real bugger when it kinks! ;)
Cheers mate, Justin
Quote from: redsetta on February 01, 2012, 05:52:32 AM
x2 on Dominick's post - great job Dom.
Never seen wire line before.
Must be a real bugger when it kinks! ;)
Cheers mate, Justin
Ha Ha Dom: see what I mean ;). Justin liked the photos. He doesn't understnd wire line either ???. Justin I told Dom to give up the wire line and invest in downriggers. Dominick
Thanks for the nice comments guys... couldn't have done it with out yas!
Dominick,
I'm not giving up my wire lining to put those chunks of plastic/metal on my gunnels... you'll see when you visit, hopefully soon!
When you're hooked up with a striper with all the room in the world to fish, obstruction free you'll love it, and find it very challenging with many opportunities to lose fish... TENSION is #1 hands done when wire lining.
Thanks again,
Dom
QuoteI told Dom to give up the wire line and invest in downriggers...
I think someone else tried that and it didn't end well ;) ;D ;D
Seriously though, I hope the planets align one day and I can do a big circuit visiting/fishing with Alan, Sal, Dominick, Dom, Wallace, Rob, Bryan etc...
Cheers lads, Justin
I could't agree more, Justin! You're all welcome to fish with me any day... that'd be awesome!
Dom
Quote from: redsetta on February 01, 2012, 06:10:41 AM
Seriously though, I hope the planets align one day and I can do a big circuit visiting/fishing with Alan, Sal, Dominick, Dom, Wallace, Rob, Bryan etc...
Cheers lads, Justin
Hear here Justin, I doubt we'll be doing any fishing though ;D
Dom, great job! I can tell you did that a few times before. You forgot to mention the metal spool though, you know what would happen if you use the aluminum spool for that type of fishing.....you'll end up with aluminum washers ;D.
Later bro, now that you got the hang of it, keep'em coming ;).
Well done Dom ;) and just so everyone knows, always break the wire off as shown. If you cut the wire it makes a very sharp stub that will poke/cut you.
Thanks Dom, great tutorial ,I have to get one of those dubro tools, that really looks like a great wire connection. I don't know why we are addicted to levelwinds on the great lakes. I have a 2 core (200 yds ) lead line on a cv55w (no level wind) and if any one else picks that rig up it always gets jammed -no one will level the line. Thanks again - Jimmer
Sal,
Glad you mentioned the spool situation... it's true! ...always use the chromed over spools if you can otherwise you won't get long out of the aluminum spool. I have done that connection once or twice ;) Tutorials are way harder to make then this connection!
Jimmer,
You are 100% correct... people can't level wire/ line, and reel a fish in simultaneously when their newbies. It takes a little getting used to.
Squirmy,
I have had that tag end of wire under my finger nails and through my hand to the bone (16 gauge copper wire while hand line fishing). It's amazing how easily with wet hands that wire can go in... and keep going :(
Justin,
You have a good heart and a great sense of humor ;)
PS- Another thing I should have mentioned is when you finish the haywire twist, flatten out the loop to make it easier to tie the albright. (you'll see that I did that before I started my albright in the photos.)
Thanks,
Dom
Good job Dom.
Justin & Sal, that would be fun. It'll be the fun, competition, and who can catch what. I do the same not with mono as well... bimini to larger line.
Anyone try this knot yet? I used it on all my trolling line to line connections last year with zero failures at the knot, fast and easy to tie. - Jimmer http://www.sportfishingmag.com/techniques/sport-fishing-knot-challenge The improved bristol is the one I'm referring to, click on more on bristol knots link,then tying the improved bristol om that page. Dom - I wasn't trying to start a 'knot of the month club' - I just like this knot - Jimmer
Great link - thanks Jimmer.
Cheers, Justin
Great job Dom. It's a good thing you didn't have to wait for me to help with your tutorial. Hey, you could do a tutorial for every knot out there. :D ;D :D Or not ......
Keep up the good work bud.
Hey Rob,
I like my knots, but unless requested I'm gonna have to pass on the "every knot tutorial" ;D
Just hope this connection tutorial gets you guys hooked on wire ;)
Dom
Sounds like Dom want all of us wired. ;D
i have never read anything on wire line.what is the purpose.so you can add weight without a downrigger?looking at your dacron connection could you tilt the wire where the albright enters and exits to stop it wearing.all new to me cheers
Wallace,
I don't have any wear issues with the connection... I have tested one connection for 2 years and it's still going strong. Wire lining is for getting your lure down without using a weight (or less weight) or downrigger. After letting out 300' of wire, there will be an opposite effect (forget what it's called.) Your wire will start to rise in the water if letting out over 300'. Depending on the rig or lure your using, they say 10 to 1 (every 10' out brings you 1' down) If using umbrella rigs it's usually 7 to 1.
...and Bryan, it's hard to get people hooked on wire (though I am trying) because it is a tough way to fish, but it produces! Come on out with me and try it next time you gotta head to Long Island ;)
Thanks
Dom
thanks broadway
New member here from FL.
This is great advice, with the best photos that I've seen for describing an Albright. I have a "twist" on the typical Albright: I have been making leaders using an Albright to single strand leader wire (usually #7 wire, but any size from 4-10) for about 30 years. I haven't had one break at the connection that I recall (probably forget; anyhow it's not an expected site for failure).
What's different about my method is that I don't do the haywire twist first. I just double the wire, feed through a single piece of mono (anywhere from 20 to 80 lb; depends on what I'm fishing for) and tie the Albright. It's a technique for adding a bit of wire above the hook and still use a leader that's mostly mono. It's useful when there's bluefish or mackeral around.
I've had a leader of this type hold up in a hard fight from a Tampa Bay pier to release a sting ray of ~250 lbs. That was a rough estimate at best, but it was a lot bigger than the 155 lb halibut I had caught out of Homer, AK the year before.
While the ray might have been at least 50% larger that the halibut, it fought 10 times harder: long hard run down to almost half spool (Penn 990 with about 380 yards of 25), then 20 minutes to get it to the pier, and an incredibly difficult 5 minutes to lift it off the bottom in ~20 feet of water. I figure that was kind of the ultimate test for this connection. I could have laid the fish on the hood of a 70's cadillac and the wingtips would have draped across the ground on both sides of the car.
The leader is haywired to the hook, jig, etc. Then the albright to mono connection; I typically end up with about 4-6 inches of wire, then haywire to a swivel. This mostly gets used for surf/jetty fishing.
I'll add some photos later; I'm going fishing tomorrow and need to make some leaders.
Dom,
It was only my smart allec remark. Didn't mean to imply any negativity. And, I've trying to get out to Long Island for a few year now and our agenda keeps on changing for these training trips. >:( If I ever get out there, I'll be calling.
BTW, I've know guys that have used wire before and swear by it. They had a great catch rate, no doubt about it, but did learn that there is a technique to it like any other styles of fishing that for my style of fishing and what I was going for, was not viable for me.
Bryan
Dom: I'm going out on a limb here showing my ignorance regarding wire lining. In my mind you have a fishing reel that has let's say 300' of wire. You attach a few feet of leader with a lure or bait on the end of the leader. Now this is like any other rigged up fishing line the only difference being in your case wire instead of Spectra or Mono. In looking at your photos, the wire you are using is single strand and does not look flexible. Is it very flexible like SS cable? I just cannot imagine cranking that stiff wire on a reel until I see it done. Is there a chance that you can do a video? Now that I mentioned a video, I'm going to search YouTube for a video. I'm sorry for putting you on the spot, but it is all new to me. Okay here is a video that explains it in the big picture. It has a diagram of the set-up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khol3nnseqI Dominick
Here is a little more on wire lining for stripers. Here is a video of wire line lures. New to me and very interesting. Lots of stuff on wire lining on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orfkNwYt8sA Dominick
Tell them the truth, they havent lived untill the have pulled a bunker spoon that wieghs 3 pounds on wire lol, or a umbrella rig with 3 -20lb blues or bass on it, get out the gimble belt and good luck with the arms n back lol
Dominick,
You're not ignorant just curious. I will make a full tutorial when I get my boat back in, in April. I would rather take you out for the full experience ;)
Misokat,
You sound like you know the deal.... Are you a wire dragger?
Dom
Quote from: broadway on February 09, 2012, 04:21:37 PM
Misokat,
You sound like you know the deal.... Are you a wire dragger?
Dom
Hey Misokat: Meet Broadway Dom he's a knuckle dragger ;D Dominick
Dom - what do you use on the business end? i.e. how would you attach a swivel? Do you ever use a piece of dacron or specctra as a chafe guard? - Thanks - Jimmer
Quote from: broadway on February 09, 2012, 04:21:37 PM
Misokat,
You sound like you know the deal.... Are you a wire dragger?
Dom
yes ive been known to drag 300 feet of monel a time or two, now days we pull 8-16 oz drails on braid, much easier on the body.....lol
Thanks for the tutorial!!!!
Jimmer,
I tie another haywire to Albright from the wire to the 20 feet of fluoro leader I use (40 lb usually 60lb with umbrellas). I don't use any chafe gear for stripers ever... Do it right the first time and you won't need it.
Misokat,
I know that most people switched over to braid and drails from wire, but I'm not a fan of drails 20 feet down my line. I believe it works as leveraging the hook out while reeling in a fish... Like a hook out would. I have done it and seen it before. :( it is much easier and you can use lighter gear for the same size fish. To each his own, right?!
Thanks
Dom (signing in from fla)
Hope you're fishing Dom!
stickied! ;D
Thanks for the sticky, Alan! ;)
PS- Did you guys notice the second to last photo in the tutorial? ... Check it out, it looks like my thumb has a built in lighter ;D
Dom
For some reason the photos went away ;D
Alan,
Can you retrieve my photos or are they goners?
Dom
Hey Dom, what happened to your photos?
I dunno where they went? I can't get them up on my screen ???
Quote from: broadway on April 30, 2012, 06:21:28 PM
I dunno where they went? I can't get them up on my screen ???
Dom: This is an easy enough fix. Bring up photobucket in another window. Go to your original post and click on "Modify" in the upper right hand corner. When your original post comes up, highlight your first photo and switch windows to Photobucket. Highlight and copy the IMG Code and go back to your post and paste it on the highlighted code in your post. Dominick
I finally listened to ya, Dominick... Photos reinstated!
Enjoy,
Dom
This was a great thread, but here's the twist. The original "Haywire" from the 1960s is shown below. The twist in this thread, the "one-around-the-other" twist for heavy wire, was misidentified in several books on knots and fishing throughout the 1970s and the confusion was only complicated and promulgated by the internet, to the extent that the real "Haywire" is almost instinct.
(https://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e230/Coyotl/Fishing/HaywireText_zpswpe2h6un.jpg) (https://s40.photobucket.com/user/Coyotl/media/Fishing/HaywireText_zpswpe2h6un.jpg.html)
This is not my wrap, my memory or an interpretation. This is a photo of an original Beuchamp wire leader (with the hook removed courtesy of photoshop) from the original 1940s(?) cello pack. These leaders are from dacron days, green line, before mono, when wire was the only lo-vis leader available. The pic is deceiving; the wire is 30# and the original leaders included a hook at one end and a ring at the other. I kept the wire to fish iron because it lets a jig swim so much better, a trick from Dick Gaydosh, Prowler skipper, circa 1970.
Have you ever tried to make barrel wraps in wire? If so, you know doing that many wraps is totally impractical and unnecessary. Too many wraps (like the one in the pic) isn't good in my opinion. It makes the whole knot too rigid and it won't slide through guides very easily.
Some things become extinct for a reason. Kinda like knuckle buster reels. They served their purpose until something better came along.
Thanks for your posting ...we've come a long ways.
Dom
Quote from: broadway on March 04, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
Have you ever tried to make barrel wraps in wire? If so, you know doing that many wraps is totally impractical and unnecessary. Too many wraps (like the one in the pic) isn't good in my opinion. It makes the whole knot too rigid and it won't slide through guides very easily.
Some things become extinct for a reason. Kinda like knuckle buster reels. They served their purpose until something better came along.
Thanks for your posting ...we've come a long ways.
Dom
Dom, your knot is your knot. I never meant to connect you in any way to the stolen Haywire name. Sorry.
Gclev,
I took no offense to your posting and appreciate all kinds of comments on tackle, reels, knots, etc. no matter if it's better, worse, or just different from the way I do things.
My apologies if that's how you took it because that's not how I meant it. I have done long barrel wraps and find it gives an unnatural look to baits when not trolled and it is hell on guides when wireline trolling cause there is very little flexibility in wiggling through the guides. The worst part is when it's that long and inflexible it doesn't wind on the spool properly.
I'm always willing and excited to learn knew tricks so cough them up ;)
Thanks
Dom