Dom asked me if I could help him out with making an old school leather thumb drag for his 113h Tank. He wants it for skin burn protection when fishing live bait and the tuna strikes and takes off. So it's not going to be an actual drag, more thumb protection. I guess holding a glass of chilled Zin keeps the skin soft and sensitive.. ;)
He suggested that I make a build thread here to show you the progress and hopefully the finished thing.
This is the inspiration and original thumb drags we've been looking at
http://orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewtopic.php?t=13831 (http://orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewtopic.php?t=13831)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/arniep42/IMG_4428_zpsa322defd.jpg)
http://orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewtopic.php?t=10703 (http://orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewtopic.php?t=10703)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/arniep42/Mowaco/466989433_o.jpg)
Since his tank has a top less Tib frame we can't use the same technique or just fold a piece of leather in half and sew a tunnel for the post. That would have been the easiest if it would have been a stock frame.
If you want to fasten this to a Tib frame you have to drill and tap it. It's the only solution we've come up with so far anyway, atleast if you want to have it removable in some way. I'm not sure if Dom has decided he want's to do this yet, but he has some time left to think about it. ;)
I ransacked my bits and pieces of leather and scrap I have lying around and then made this first sketch and showed Dom:
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o677/Tottofagrin/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140409_zps25fcd26f.jpg) (http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/Tottofagrin/media/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140409_zps25fcd26f.jpg.html)
The leather tab is two ply, one thicker underneath and a thinner on top. On the rear side a piece of brass rod is fitted to the tab and the whole thing is secured under a metal plate which is secured to the frame with SS button head hex screws.
Dom didn't want the metal tab wider than the leather (and I agree with him now), so this is the revised sketch (with actual Tib narrow frame measurements which I didn't have the first time). Still the same basic concept but with just one screw which also goes through the leather tab.
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o677/Tottofagrin/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140411_zpsd77790cd.jpg) (http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/Tottofagrin/media/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140411_zpsd77790cd.jpg.html)
This is where the project stands right now. I guess there is a bit of tweaking of the design left before starting the build. More progress pics will follow.
Karl
Nice design there Karl.
I make mine from leather key fobs by removing the key ring and fitting the leather to the post.
Just a matter of getting the nearest width of leather fob.
AT 75 cents those Fluegers are a good buy ;)
They come cheaper than these ;D
http://www.weekendoffender.com/accessories/leather-keyring-brown.html
Quote from: Irish Jigger on April 11, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Nice design there Karl.
I make mine from leather key fobs by removing the key ring and fitting the leather to the post.
Just a matter of getting the nearest width of leather fob.
AT 75 cents those Fluegers are a good buy ;)
Now where's the fun in that?! ;) Good idea though!
Karl, Dominick picked the right person to make it for him. I would think about another way to attach it besides drilling and tapping the frame. Maybe we could shorten a post and put it where it would normally be or put longer screws there and use nuts to attach it? Just an idea. Bob
A couple of stainless steel /monel pop rivets may work.
Punch out the broken rivet stem which will otherwise rust.
Great input guys! The thing is I don't have a Tiburon top less narrow frame myself to fiddle around with. You don't get the same feel for it if you can't play around with it. But anyway we could avoid drilling the frame is a good thing. Though I have to tell you, my workshop is at my dinner table in the kitchen, I don't have any metal working machines. If we have to drill it Dom has said that he would do that part of the operation.
Bob, you're idea of fitting a post to the frame sounds interesting but I don't understand where you want to put it? The base of the leather tab has to be fitted around where the existing cross bar sits, you want the leather to point in the direction of the line so to speak.
Quote from: Cone on April 11, 2014, 12:20:16 PM
Karl, Dominick picked the right person to make it for him. I would think about another way to attach it besides drilling and tapping the frame. Maybe we could shorten a post and put it where it would normally be or put longer screws there and use nuts to attach it? Just an idea. Bob
There is no posts on the Tank Bob. That's the problem. I really have no use for these Brakes. I'm probably going to get in trouble here. ::) I just wear some Quality Gloves. Usually with Kevlar fingertips or Similar. Just Because I know my shark on the other end has some skin like 180 grit sand paper and I'm not grabbing him without some protection. If I have to thumb the drag, I need a bigger Reel! ;D
I think Dominick just thumbed the spool at the wrong time out of Habit. I'm not being a Hater here. I Love the Tank! Just my opinion. ;) You Go Karl! When you figure it out, I might trade you one for a Shark Rig. ;D
Quote from: Mandelstam on April 11, 2014, 11:14:04 AM
...I guess holding a glass of chilled Zin keeps the skin soft and sensitive.. ;)
LOL! good one Karl...;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 11, 2014, 01:03:10 PM
You Go Karl! When you figure it out, I might trade you one for a Shark Rig. ;D
I just might take you up on that! ;)
I'm actually going to make some beefed up halibut rigs tonight together with a couple of cool beers. It's Friday, right? :) Nothing like taking out your swager, mono, beefy swivels and a fresh pack of 16/0 circle hooks!
Quote from: Mandelstam on April 11, 2014, 01:10:29 PM
Nothing like taking out your swager, mono, beefy swivels and a fresh pack of 16/0 circle hooks!
And BEER! Don't forget the BEER!! (or Zin, for the more dainty among us. :D)
Ron
I don't like beer or wine....how about tequila?
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 11, 2014, 01:03:10 PM
I think Dominick just thumbed the spool at the wrong time out of Habit. I'm not being a Hater here. I Love the Tank! Just my opinion. ;) You Go Karl! When you figure it out, I might trade you one for a Shark Rig. ;D
Daron: it is tough to break those kinds of habits. It was easier to quit smoking then to keep your thumb off the spool. When live lining and letting line out you have to put some pressure on the spool while you pull out line. Tuna hit so quickly and violently that your thumb is burned before you can react. Don't forget a stemmed wine glass does not fit in the drink holders. You have to balance it in one hand and try to pull out line. ;) I might try tequila. Lee is right on on most things, maybe he has something going here. I want to hear the story of Lee teaching the Bosu the evils of tequila. Dominick
Tequila=To Kill Ya!
The worst hang over ever. No thank you! I have been a hard drinker of Bourbon for many years. I just realized that I was slowly killing myself with it and the cigarettes. I just put them down. No more liquor or smokes for me! ;D
Just Beer! It makes me a Jolly Good Fellow! :-*
I'm sure Karl is going to make us proud with his brake. I really think That is the only thing left that my Tank doesn't have. I have the BP Gears and ss sleeve and yoke. Lee's Insert, The Karl Brake is all that's left. ;)
:-\
http://www.amazon.com/Protector-Leather-Construction-Padded-Medium/dp/B0095Z2Q94
No good for us South Paws.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on April 11, 2014, 11:34:14 PM
No good for us South Paws.
Ron
A Thumb Dinger works on either hand
http://www.thumbdinger.com/
Quote from: noyb72 on April 11, 2014, 11:34:14 PM
No good for us South Paws.
Ron
Here you go, South Paw
http://www.amazon.com/Thumb-Protector-Leather-Construction-Padded/dp/B0095Z2WRA
Don't you think if they made a right-handed, they would have also made left-handed ::).
Uh, after 40 some years of looking for left handed stuff, my awnser is an emphatic NO!
Thanks for the link.
Ron
Sal I gather that you have some reservation about a thumb drag attached to the reel. It really is a better idea than a dumb thumb glove. It gets hot in Mexico. Anything touching your hands or body gets hot and sticky and under some circumstances hot and sticky isn't a bad thing but not while fishing. ;) Dominick
Dominick, I forgot that lawyers get manicures weekly ::), a stone mason of forty years doesn't need anything but a piece of duct tape ;).
Karl does some beautiful work, I would also love to have something made by him, I just think that the topless frame shouldn't be drilled.
Dominick,
I think I found the perfect Gloves for you soft, sensitive, manicured hands. ;D They are even light colored so they won't be so hot. ;)
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/61onKNbdz9L__SL1500__zps387548c4.jpg)
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 12, 2014, 12:41:25 AM
Dominick, I forgot that lawyers get manicures weekly ::), a stone mason of forty years doesn't need anything but a piece of duct tape ;).
Karl does some beautiful work, I would also love to have something made by him, I just think that the topless frame shouldn't be drilled.
I agree the frame shouldn't be drilled. Sharkhunter I know there isn't a post on a topless frame. I don't own a narrow Tib frame. I do have a narrow J Variance one but it isn't topless. The post wouldn't work after thinking about it but if the frames are made like the standard width frames the holes in the frame go all the way through. I think Sal's solution is best but something could be made using longer screws in the frame. Even if the leather had a hollow tube for the longer screws to go into. It wouldn't have to be threaded. The screws would retain it.
Bob
Got ya Bob. ;) Just put the post on the inside of the frame and screw it down from the outside. You might have to trim the post a little, but I think you are onto something. If you had some harness lugs without the holes, then you could attach a post to it and you would be set.
Reading this thread made me laugh...I like the thumb drag idea, but the the gloves? & thumbdinger? C'mon guys...Oh what the heck do I know I wear a beer drinking glove.
Tim
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx76/fresnotim/100_2026_zps093c81ba.jpg) (http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/100_2026_zps093c81ba.jpg.html)
Quote from: Big Tim on April 13, 2014, 12:23:44 AM
Reading this thread made me laugh...I like the thumb drag idea, but the the gloves? & thumbdinger? C'mon guys...Oh what the heck do I know I wear a beer drinking glove.
Tim
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx76/fresnotim/100_2026_zps093c81ba.jpg) (http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/100_2026_zps093c81ba.jpg.html)
;D ;D
;D ;D ;D Gawd you guys crack me up.... LMAO... ;D ;D
nice glove Dom :P
;D
I'm on the beer, Sunday evening...But NOW, I'm gonna have a tequila shot (Kirkland brand..for those in the know ;) ) - no lime
Just to honor all you guys... Here's to ya boyz... Salud!
Salud! back to you bro! Tim, anybody that drinks the High Life, Is OK in my Book! ;)
People make fun of it, call it eagle piss, These are usually beer snobs that drink Sam Adams or some other nasty tasting Beer.
If I could only have one beer. High Life would be it! Second, Yeungling Lager! I love that stuff! :P
Quote from: Big Tim on April 13, 2014, 12:23:44 AM
...Oh what the heck do I know I wear a beer drinking glove.
Tim, either you have the wrong beer or the wrong glove...;D ;D ;D
Idk ....we drink a lot of beer in Aus and ive never seen or even heard of a beer drinking glove till now...lol...Kudos to u ....only in America ;D
Quote from: OldSchool on April 13, 2014, 02:55:45 PM
Idk ....we drink a lot of beer in Aus and ive never seen or even heard of a beer drinking glove till now...lol...Kudos to u ....only in America ;D
;D ;D ;D Here is my custom cold weather drinkin' mittn' ;D ;D ;D
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx76/fresnotim/525bd5ef-491a-41c2-ab39-1c644c673a56_zps9e645b18.jpg) (http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/525bd5ef-491a-41c2-ab39-1c644c673a56_zps9e645b18.jpg.html)
I love the turn this thread has taken! :D
Quote from: Mandelstam on April 13, 2014, 04:59:55 PM
I love the turn this thread has taken! :D
Just so you know because of you I'm looking thru my old Harley stuff to find one of my old belts, so that I can cut it up and make a leather thumb drag for my next project or even for my 112H I just built...Now I know I'm hooked.
Tim
Captain Harry's in Miami sell these finger protectors for a buck. Just a piece of leather with elastic to wrap around your finger or thumb. Works for righties and lefties. ;)
BTW Big Tim, that is blasphemous drinking a Miller with a Budweiser drinking glove.
This stuff works wonders if your casting a lot, as and hard-core Musky (fish of 10,000 casts) fishermen would tell you. Also good to have in the first aid kit to seal Knicks and cuts when in a wet environment.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on April 13, 2014, 08:46:26 PM
This stuff works wonders if your casting a lot, as and hard-core Musky (fish of 10,000 casts) fishermen would tell you. Also good to have in the first aid kit to seal Knicks and cuts when in a wet environment.
Tightlines,
Are you saying that this is a substitute for the thumb brake or as a first aide treatment after the fact?
Leo
Its both. If you use it before, and keep it built up, it will help with line burn tremendously. If you don't, it will stop the bleeding.
Ron
Yes,
The fish of 10,000 casts has evaded my efforts. I've had them follow my Hellbenders right to the boat, and nothing gets your blood pumping like seeing a 6 foot Muskie turn his tail and swim away from you! ::) I am strictly a saltwater fisherman now. The payoff is much quicker. ;)
So, been throwing some ideas back and forth with Dom and we've decided to go with another route that doesn't involve drilling the frame. It's a simpler solution but it's also non removable. But I think both me and Dom feel a little bit safer that it doesn't involve any drilling. If you want to change something later on you sort of have a blank canvas when you remove it and that can be good.
Leather is folded around the frame and then riveted with a ss pop rivet.
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o677/Tottofagrin/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140414B_zpsd9d78ba1.jpg) (http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/Tottofagrin/media/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140414B_zpsd9d78ba1.jpg.html)
A cross section of the whole thing. The leather thickness is from leather scraps I had lying around. I think it will work out fine.
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o677/Tottofagrin/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140414A_zps35f31291.jpg) (http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/Tottofagrin/media/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/Sketch_140414A_zps35f31291.jpg.html)
Too easy!.....Good solution ;)
I'd go with that if it was me. keep it simple..... KISS
Quote from: erikpowell on April 15, 2014, 07:23:50 AM
Too easy!.....Good solution ;)
I'd go with that if it was me. keep it simple..... KISS
x2, great idea.
It shows you're an Architect ;D, very nice Karl. Maybe you could use a stainless sex-bolt instead of a rivet, just in case you want to remove it or get in there to clean it.
It might get hot enough without the sex- bolt sal ;)
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 15, 2014, 10:00:24 AM
Maybe you could use a stainless sex-bolt instead of a rivet, just in case you want to remove it or get in there to clean it.
X2
Karl, you ARE aware that snaps, flush rivets and similar are easily available from places like Clas Ohlson, Panduro, Olsson's Tyger and so on..? If you are interested, i mean.
.
Quote from: Robert Janssen on April 15, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
Karl, you ARE aware that snaps, flush rivets and similar are easily available from places like Clas Ohlson, Panduro, Olsson's Tyger and so on..? If you are interested, i mean.
.
I know Robert! ;) You know, it took me a long while to figure you out as a fellow Swede...
I just meant that Dom has to rivet it in place himself as it's his reel ;).
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 15, 2014, 10:00:24 AM
It shows you're an Architect ;D, very nice Karl. Maybe you could use a stainless sex-bolt instead of a rivet, just in case you want to remove it or get in there to clean it.
About the (sex-)bolts, it's a good idea, I just have to find the right nut and bolt that wont be too bulky.. Maybe a button head and a domed nut on top?
http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmac (http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmac)
Too bad these sell buy the 100
http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmin (http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmin)
These might work.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqnio (http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqnio)
Quote from: Keta on April 15, 2014, 03:06:11 PM
http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmac (http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmac)
Too bad these sell buy the 100
http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmin (http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqmin)
These might work.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqnio (http://www.mcmaster.com/#sex-nuts/=rjqnio)
Thanks, Lee! They look promising! You have to shim them with some washers to reach the right thickness though.
Ok, time to start working! The sex bolt (thought that was a typo first...) seems to be the way to go! Thanks for the help guys!
Will just make the final drawing and find my old glass jar of vinegaroon! :) This cow and goat are going to have a real close relationship pretty soon.
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o677/Tottofagrin/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/IMG_20140415_192339_zpse618be46.jpg) (http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/Tottofagrin/media/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/IMG_20140415_192339_zpse618be46.jpg.html)
Looking forward to seeing the finished product Karl.
I know I won't be disappointed.
Quote from: Irish Jigger on April 15, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
It might get hot enough without the sex- bolt sal ;)
;D ;D
You know, I've always seen those listed as sex-bolts, McMasters has them listed as sex-nuts :-[ ;D
Experimenting with some pattern embossing of the leather. Some scrap piece of expanded metal. Looks interesting! Almost scaly.. :) Though I think that the thin goatskin won't hold the pattern for very long. We'll see.
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o677/Tottofagrin/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/IMG_20140416_174022_zps317f8ba4.jpg) (http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/Tottofagrin/media/Thumb%20Drag%20113h/IMG_20140416_174022_zps317f8ba4.jpg.html)
Quote from: Mandelstam on April 16, 2014, 04:00:16 PM
Experimenting with some pattern embossing of the leather. Some scrap piece of expanded metal. Looks interesting! Almost scaly.. :) Though I think that the thin goatskin won't hold the pattern for very long. We'll see.
a lot of talent on this site. how i wish you AT Sal Bryan Y. Keta, to name a few, are my next door neighbors...:)
Has anyone heard from Karl. He seems to have dropped off of the radar. I hope he is okay. Karl if you are monitoring the site please check in. Are there any Swedes that are near Karl? Dominick
I haven't seen him around either Dominick. I posted a picture over the weekend of all my Shark Rigs for him. I know he has a thing for them. :P
I hope he is not in a funk like when the sun does not shine for long periods of time. He sounds like a good guy. Dominick
Here was the picture I posted.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_24091_zps79b373c0.jpg)
Quote from: Dominick on May 13, 2014, 07:59:31 PM
I hope he is not in a funk like when the sun does not shine for long periods of time. He sounds like a good guy. Dominick
I don't think it works like that for Scandinavians, I lived in Ketchikan for years and not seeing the sun for months never bothered me.
Our Norwegian friends, hafnor and paal are conspicuous by their absence too.
I agree, they all seem to be disappearing. Paal and his wife (Heidi) met up with Kim and I in the early fall for a couple nice meals and some touring time. Ever since then he's been off the air.
I pm'd him a few months ago and he said he's been very busy, but how could you be so busy that you leave all of us? :(
Don't know about the others. ???
Dom
Quote from: Keta on May 13, 2014, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: Dominick on May 13, 2014, 07:59:31 PM
I hope he is not in a funk like when the sun does not shine for long periods of time. He sounds like a good guy. Dominick
I don't think it works like that for Scandinavians, I lived in Ketchikan for years and not seeing the sun for months never bothered me.
Lee that's because tough old leather does better without the sun. :D ;D Dominick
damn, I was hoping to see the final posts of this lond thread with a finished product for the ohana, but alas, it was like those old TV series that never showed the last episode of the season. :-\ :-\.... ever !!
Alex,
Some wander from us.
I haven't seen Karl in a very long time.
I check in almost daily.
It keeps me sane.
There is no reason not to come back.
I hope He is well.
Daron