Reel Repair by Alan Tani

General Maintenance Tips => Fishing Antiques and Collectables => Topic started by: handi2 on May 10, 2015, 06:09:06 PM

Title: Subject for Fred
Post by: handi2 on May 10, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Hello Fred,

Do you have a levelwind pawl for this old Pflueger Akron No. 1893 reel?

Thanks,

Keith
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: foakes on May 10, 2015, 07:28:07 PM
Hi Keith --

Went down to the Bat Cave, where the really old stuff is kept -- found a few Pflueger repair kits -- one is for an Akron.

There are New Old Stock parts in the box from possibly around the 30's?

Anyway, there are new Pawls also -- do not know if they are correct -- but I suspect they are, since I have not touched these boxes in over 40 years -- and they were already 40 years old when I acquired them.

Appears these Pawls are called half nuts -- and the cup that holds them is a half nut retainer.

If you think you can use anything here -- just let me know, and I will send it out tomorrow.

N/C.

Best,

Fred

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Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: theluckpusher on May 10, 2015, 09:57:53 PM
 ;D Very Kwel old reel!!!!!!!! ::) :-* :'(
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: handi2 on May 10, 2015, 10:31:44 PM
Fred everything you have shown looks correct for this reel. He has given me 3 of them to clean up and I do know I will need one pawl and one handle. I will surely let you know. Your stock is amazing..!!
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: foakes on May 11, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
Great, Keith --

Just make a laundry list of what you think you need -- and I will send you everything at once for all 3.

There is a good handle (NOS) -- but not as nice as the engraving on yours -- but when you let me know what you need, I will search through my old baitcaster handles.  Probably have a couple of hundred old handles -- some are in pretty good shape.  I just strip old reels down when no longer useful -- and sort the parts into basic categories.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Tightlines667 on May 11, 2015, 06:07:46 AM
Wow Fred what don't you have around?  I was just thinkimg how difficult it can be to find parts for some of the older/smaller reels.
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: foakes on May 11, 2015, 02:16:42 PM
Yes, you are right, John -- it is very difficult to find some of the old parts.

But quite frankly, once in a while -- luck makes us all look good. 

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: coastal_dan on May 11, 2015, 02:46:14 PM
Way to go Fred on coming through!  You have quite the collection, neat to see the parts all dis-assembled in the box.  Was that from the factory?
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: foakes on May 11, 2015, 04:24:38 PM
Yes, Dan --

That is what the factory provided to dealers and repair shops in the old days.

There is likely more steel just in the metal Pfleuger parts box -- then in 100 new fancy plastic Asian reels from Walmart or Big 5.

Most of the manufacturers provided support to the repair guys, hardware stores, and dealers -- in the day.

This was before "planned obsolescence" was a corporate strategy to increase profits and stock values.

Many of the early reel repairmen would put together their own kits -- but the factory gave good support to them.

Some of the manufacturers were Pfleuger, Shakespeare, Inglis (Canadian Shakespeare), Langley, Bronson, Mitchell, Zebco, Johnson, Abu, Ocean City, Penn, South Bend, DAM Quick, Alcedo, and many others.

One set of three large boxes I have contains over 100 pounds of Shakespeare parts -- LWs, worms, frames, posts, stands, gears, and more gears.  All NOS -- and steel, bronze, brass & German Silver.

My outlook is a little different than some folks -- since I will likely never or very seldom use these -- I just try to help other folks if they have a need for their own projects.

Best,

Fred

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Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: steelfish on May 11, 2015, 05:08:50 PM
Quote from: handi2 on May 10, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Hello Fred,

Do you have a levelwind pawl for this old Pflueger Akron No. 1893 reel?
Thanks,
Keith

wow.. nice nice.

I have the exact same reel (same model number too) on my office shelf, it is in almost perfect condition, I have it along with another old small reel, bronson "the green Hornet" No. 2200.


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the flueger after a good clean up it shines like it was made of sterling silver..

Alex
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Reel 224 on May 11, 2015, 05:34:51 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how well the old reels are made and some of the older firearms too. especially the craftsmanship.
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: coastal_dan on May 11, 2015, 05:42:22 PM
Fred - wow and wow...so darn cool.  Glad you have this and shared the pictures.  

Kind of reminds me of this very cool illustration with some of you "parts fanatics".

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Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Tunacious on May 11, 2015, 05:56:18 PM
Just amazing...absolutely amazing! Your collection of fishing reel parts and their quality is staggering...I say you should make it into a Fishing Reel History Museum!
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: bestout on May 11, 2015, 09:44:45 PM
WOW nice neat and very organize Fred.
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: whalebreath on May 11, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Very impressive-humbling too-Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Doug on May 11, 2015, 10:51:08 PM
Wow Fred amazing What don't you have.
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 12, 2015, 08:33:24 PM
Well Fred, as usual, your old stock has amazed me again, but, this time I felt I had to spread the word somewhat. I have posted a link of this thread on the ORCA Reel Talk forum,

http://orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16780

Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Mic on May 14, 2015, 07:48:13 PM
Fred,
You are Amazing~!

I am amazed and just rocked. What a collection. You Sir are the ultimate! Great show!

My dad gave me an old Pflueger Oceanic reel a few years ago and a couple of old octagon shaped standup wooden rod that have glass eyes steel wired to the rod to fix up. I told him I was about 86% scared of what I was going to find inside there and would never find the parts to repair it.
There is a bit of handle slop, but other than that the reel works.

The stand is stamped 300

Would you have any parts for this if I stopped being scared and opened it up ?

Mic
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: mike1010 on May 14, 2015, 09:58:43 PM
Nice looking reel.  No parts here, though.
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: foakes on May 14, 2015, 10:55:27 PM
Nice old reels, Mic --

Don't be afraid to open it up --

There is not much to the insides -- and you likely will not need any parts -- no drag, straight gears, simple and straightforward.

However, here is the deal:

Take care when disassembling -- use the proper size hollow ground screwdrivers -- slightly tighten the screw before easing it out -- keep plenty of downward pressure on the screws, as you ease them out. 

Soak everything in Mineral Spirits for a day or two.  This will soften and allow the old hard grease inside and out to slip off easily.

Do not soak the hard rubber sideplates -- as they will soak up the solution and not fit when reassembling -- use Dawn or Ivory dish soap on these and a brush.  When dry completely, use Never-Dull to finish.

The metal parts will scratch easily -- most of these are old German Silver -- so use Never-Dull on them also.  Take your time -- you cannot replace those old screws except with another donor reel.

Do not over-tighten the screws when reassembling -- just snug -- not torqued down -- or you may crack the old sideplates.

Grease and oil -- then it will be good to go.

I have a lot of these -- and they make good displays or wall hangers on an old split bamboo rod.

Good Luck -- and show us when you are done.

You don't have to do it this way -- that is just my method on these old soldiers.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: broadway on May 14, 2015, 11:24:08 PM
Fred, Your willingness to help others and your collection of vintage reels and parts is amazing, but let me say what impresses me most is your organization.  I'm a lunatic with order (touch of OCD)
but you make me look normal.  Just awesome!
Thanks for helping out sharing photos and knowledge,
Dom
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: joel8080 on May 15, 2015, 01:36:50 AM


                                  X2

Joel8080
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Mic on May 15, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
Thanks Fred,
I'll get me a set of hollow ground screwdrivers and go at it. I've been meaning to get me a set for sometime now as I have a 1960's 30-30 Winchester I want to take a crack at overhauling. What could possibly go wrong ?

I can tell the left side has not been opened as those screws are clean with no nicks. The right side has been opened. Yeah, the drag on that reel is surely not found on the inside. I'll bet that leather pad sure got hot when a big fish was hooked up!

Your gonna have to be a little more informative on the Never-Dull. Is that a rubbing compound ?

I understand the soaking of rubber parts. I rebuild a carburetor on a out board motor and just dropped it in a parts bath for two days before taking it apart. Learned that lesson really hard!

I expect this reel and old rod will find it's way on the wall in my office. It would be real cool knowing it could go to work if needed!

Thanks again for your in site and knowledge!

Mic
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: foakes on May 15, 2015, 04:14:54 PM
Hi Mic --

Ted told us about Never-Dull -- and he was right.  

You should see how his reels turn out -- fantastic.  And he sez this is nearly all he uses even on the interior parts.

Been around for a long time -- available at nearly any auto parts store.

Very inexpensive ($6-$8), gentle, works extremely well on any type of material such as metals, rubber, plastic, bakelite, etc.

I think it is some sort of a solvent and fine rubbing compound mixed together and applied to a roll of soft wadding cotton cloth.  You just tear off what you need, use a little elbow grease -- then wipe clean to a sheen with a soft cloth.  Really works wonders on tarnish and rust.

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I did notice the goobered screws on the head side -- but this isn't a museum quality piece -- and since it belonged to your Dad -- it just shows that someone lubed it from time to time.  Adds to the story and memories, perhaps.

For what you are doing, you don't need to buy a super expensive set of hollow ground screwdrivers.  You could just buy a decent set on sale at Sears -- of just the 1/4" tips.  Stay away from Harbor Freight or even the major hardware chains -- since most of their stuff is all the same -- poor quality, too soft, bad fit, imported.

Or even some of the Chapman, S&W, and Grizzly sets are very good bargains on line.

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Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Mic on May 15, 2015, 08:40:09 PM
 I am officially on the hunt~!

Thanks Fred, I'll post some photos when I get it completed.

I got a buddy that does wood work and he said he can seal the old rod without tearing it up. I might just leave it be and just hang it on the wall as is with all it story spots.

Talk to ya later,

Mic
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: Reel 224 on May 16, 2015, 12:41:09 AM
Cleaned up my Pflueger Capital with the Nevrdull and it did a nice job. I was going to fish that reel but since have decided to retire it to my office desk.
Title: Re: Subject for Fred
Post by: handi2 on May 16, 2015, 11:59:57 PM
Fred I have been super busy servicing reels. I'll get a short list tomorrow and let you know. I always know you are the man to go to for any old reels. Your shop is amazing..!!

If you can into mine you would have a heart attack.