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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn - Vintage => Topic started by: nelz on June 22, 2018, 02:52:07 AM

Title: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: nelz on June 22, 2018, 02:52:07 AM
This reel got my attention because of the knob and the drag stack that is accessible without removing the sideplate. Is this a rare type of Senator?

Paid $18 w/rod at the flea market. Got to work, cleaned it up good, chrome was very corroded but inside it was dry but almost in new condition, go figure. (Rod was trash.)

So is it a collectible?
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator
Post by: sdlehr on June 22, 2018, 03:16:47 AM
Nelz, you got a good deal, it's worth that and more. The earliest version of the 113h had externally-accessible drags like this, later versions did not. What you've got is pretty common. I would fish it if I were you.
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: nelz on June 22, 2018, 03:22:16 AM
Thanks Sid, yeah, I just saw a bunch like it on ebay.  :-[
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: nelz on June 22, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
Can somebody help me out in getting a schematic for this reel? Only ones I'm finding are for the newer enclosed drag models. Thanks!
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 22, 2018, 05:29:36 PM
They all basically have the same design.
https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113h_post89.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113h_post89.pdf)




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Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: thorhammer on June 22, 2018, 05:38:08 PM
Nelz,

If you can't find a schematic, the only real difference functionally should be number of drag washers plus the top hat washer on top. (Spool, frame, handle, plates  changed to current format much later but functionally is the same). If you want to fish it and put in new washers, buy the full kit (metals plus HT100) from Mystic (Penn Parts). the HT100 are much thinner than the leather / asbestos washer so you will have to work the stack combination to get where you want to be, then use the top hat vs. wavy spring washer on top of last keyed washer.
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: nelz on June 22, 2018, 06:58:57 PM
Thanks guys.

My reel's stack differs from this schematic. There is no tension spring part 8A (18-970), but instead a heavy metal cap which is flat on the inside and quite heavy. Also, the schematic says there should be a felt washer (140-113H), and collar cap (136-113H). Any suggestions on any parts I may need to get, or the order I should assemble what I have?
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 22, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
I would run it like it is.
That washer and cap were more of a water barrier than anything else.
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: thorhammer on June 22, 2018, 07:07:54 PM
you can make a felt washer yourself with a pair of scissors- it's literally that. grease it and place between top metal washer and top hat as you wish. it's essentially an oil dam seal, not actually a drag washer.
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: thorhammer on June 22, 2018, 07:09:43 PM
I was typing while Daron was. what he said. felt only helps keep out water.
Title: Re: Flea-Find Senator 113h
Post by: handi2 on June 22, 2018, 07:24:44 PM
I have some original felt washers if needed. I just use a little grease.