Hello Everyone,
This is my first time posting on here and first time messing with a Penn Senator reel. I purchased a Penn 113 Black Side and I am aware that I probably in hind site should have gone with the 113H. That being said it is bought and I would like to upgrade this reel as much as I can. I have played around with spinning reels previous to this and look forward to half the fun being upgrading this new to me reel. So what can I do? I have already talked with Dawn over at smooth drag who will I will be getting some things from. She is actually the one who suggested I get on here to ask. But just wanted opinion on Tiburon frames, stainless gears, etc... Thanks in advance and I am really looking forward to this project.
If you are planning to use the reel for any serious fishing, you should save your black 4/0 as a loaner reel and go get a 113H. There is no comparison between the two. The red 4/0 is more reel box stock than the black one would be after you poured a ton of money into upgrading it. That's just my two cents.
Hey thanks for reply. Yes, your probably right but honestly half the fun for me will be upgrading the thing. And I am actually bidding on some 113H's now so that will be next. And the 113 is bought and even if its a back up might as well make it as sweet as I can get it!
Randy is giving some good advice but if you decide you want to build what you've got; do a search on this site for "Grouper Special". The black 4/0 has lower gears and low end grunt but that is offset by slower retrieve, smaller drag and smaller gear sleeve.
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I made the same mistake the first time I bought a 4/0. I thought I was saving money. I used the reel one time and have never used it since. Just my two cents. Joe
Looked at the Grouper Specials and that's definitely the direction. What options are there without going to the narrow spool? I like the aluminum one it has now.
Also I know it's not as good as the 113H.But I like it and will just have to learn the hard way.
The first thing to do is to replace the (3) #113 drags with (5) #60 drags. Then maybe a handle & knob. If you already have an aluminum spool there is no need to go narrower as there is no option for an aluminum spool in the narrow width. Then fish it a while & see if it's what you really want before putting any more money into it. As has been said, a box stock 113H is a lot more reel then a 113 4/0 with modifications. Save your money to put into a 113H instead. You will have a lot more fun & a lot more mods for a 113H. Rudy
Having just got on here a year ago it can very very confusing as to who sells what for what reel. First look at the vendors in the for sale section and see what they offer, read the posts from members about your particular reel and products you're interested in. That should give you some idea of where you're going. Also figure out what you're planning to do with the reel so you don't go overkill,there's just so much that reel is capable of.Having said all that, you're still be better of getting a 113h to start with and keeping the black one for a back-up. So with my 2 cents you're up to about a dime now. Hope you enjoy it, Sheridan
I have one, and I like to use it for grouper fishing. I have the following upgrades:
- SS gear sleeve
- Steel main gear (this is not really an upgrade, as many 113's came with these, but I believe it is stronger than a brass main gear)
- 5 disc drag stack - I bought mine from Dawn at smooth drag
- Aftermarket power handle - I bought one from Ebay, but a Penn 24-56 would be OK also, in the long position
- Delrin belleville washer on top of the drag stack - this doesn't increase the drag range, but it does make the drag adjustment smoother
With these modifications, the reel can be fished at around 18-20 lb of drag reliably, at least for the type of fishing I do. Grouper don't make long runs, but a lot of drag is needed to get them off the bottom. I like the low gear ratio for this. I have several 113h's, but I really enjoy using this reel for grouper fishing.
I may put a Tiburon frame on it also. I haven't had problems due to frame flexing so far, but a Tib frame would definitely eliminate that concern.
Awesome guys. I spoke with Dawn this AM who told me to get on here actually. I hear everyone on the 113H vs. 113. And FYI I just won an eBay auction for a 113 H so that's next. I will fish it and work on this 113 first soon as I get them in hand I will tear down and share with the group what I find inside. Appreciate the feedback I am really looking forward to messing with these reels!
Here's API of the reel FYI. Also I intend to mainly surf fish it for red drum and other surf species found along gulf coast if that has any bearing on the upgrades. I have only ever run spinning reels before Penn 10500 and the like before these are my first conventional reels. So any basic advice on them is appreciated.
It's like the guys are saying...the 113H is a much stronger reel...but you have to consider what you'll be doing with the reel. If 15-20lbs. of drag will suffice, the old black plate 113 is a great choice. It's a lot beefier than a jigmaster. Heavier posts, stand, even the bling rings are beefier. A mildly hopped up 113 would be a budget minded alternative to a decked out Jigmaster. You would have to spend big money on the jiggy to reliably handle 20lbs. of drag...and your ol' 113 will handle it in stock form. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on March 18, 2017, 02:10:34 AM
It's like the guys are saying...the 113H is a much stronger reel...but you have to consider what you'll be doing with the reel. If 15-20lbs. of drag will suffice, the old black plate 113 is a great choice. It's a lot beefier than a jigmaster. Heavier posts, stand, even the bling rings are beefier. A mildly hopped up 113 would be a budget minded alternative to a decked out Jigmaster. You would have to spend big money on the jiggy to reliably handle 20lbs. of drag...and your ol' 113 will handle it in stock form. 8)
Good point!
To be honest, the 113 is way to slow for surf fishing. I grew up casting a Long Beach 259 and it has similar gearing and I used to hung up on the bottom often when retrieving my rig back. I would go with a Penn Jigmaster with 4:1 gear set and support bars instead of the older ones with posts. The framework is plenty strong for 15-20# of drag. The reel is also lighter and easier to cast than a 113. The only 2 upgrades I would highly recommend to start is a 5-stack drag kit and a SS gear sleeve. The rest is optional and preference. A very affordable and excellent set-up that is easy to build and maintain.
Quote from: bauer86 on March 18, 2017, 12:58:22 AM
Also I intend to mainly surf fish it...
Hmm...I didn't see this earlier. Bryan's right, she'd be pretty bulky and slow for surf fishing, but great for bottom fishing.
There is sure fishing and then there is sure fishing. I have soaked a lot of. Wait In the sure with a Long Beach 66. The same reel as far as this conversation goes.
Bauer, if you are going to upgrade your 113 I can certainly understand why. It's yours and you want it to be the best it can be. There is a lot of that going on around here and that's what makes this site so great. I just took a look at my 18 year old stock 113 and it has a one piece graphite frame. I don't know if this is available or interchangeable but maybe others can help with that. I would think a one piece frame,greased carbon fiber drags for smoothness and a new handle would be a good start. If it was me I would go with a round handle instead of the torpedo shape you see on so many upgrades. I like the round handles to crank faster if you need to compensate for lack of retrieval speed. Good luck and keep us posted with what you find out . Joe
Quote from: mo65 on March 18, 2017, 03:50:11 AM
Quote from: bauer86 on March 18, 2017, 12:58:22 AM
Also I intend to mainly surf fish it...
Hmm...I didn't see this earlier. Bryan's right, she'd be pretty bulky and slow for surf fishing, but great for bottom fishing.
Well, this is why there are hundreds of models out there, some could do it all, while some are designed for one or two specific use.
My opinion is for you to have fun upgrading, but do it for your own pleasure.
Don't expect it to be an investment, you will never get your money back.
The good side of it, you will fish with a reel that has your special touch, that one means a lot to me when I do it.
Passing it on to your kid is also a plus and yes, it will last that long. ;)
Sal