Ted's trio. (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/8c139e9c-fd83-4334-9aea-86d539d3d8bf.jpg.html)
A 1933 Penn long Beach #60 , 250 yds. trade reel for E.K. Tryon Hardware with the Kingfisher logo mounted on a rod winch fitting.
A 1933 Penn Sea Ford #65 300yds.
A late 1939 Seagate #126 300yds. Penn introduced this model for Chater boats and Pier operators .
Ted,
I have seen many of your immaculate condition Penn reels . I did not know you had a flip side :) . The '33 300 yard Sea Ford and the Seagate are both tough finds . Always like the Kingfisher logo trade reels .
Ray
Ray,
I bet when Ted gets done with those old classics, we will not recognize them as the same reels you have pictured.
Great finds.
C'mon Mike, Ray, Brian, Dom, Daron, Sal and all you other guys and gals..... I'm not the only one with skeletons in the closet. Let's see them.
All 3 of these reels are obviously well used and have stood the test of time, as they all function smooth as silk. A testament to penns quality and durability that started with the very first penn made.
OK, since you want my skeleton in the closet, here you go::::
Quote from: Max Doubt on October 31, 2015, 01:17:32 AM
Ray, the one with dome click is a Seaford. If it had inside rings it would be a long beach lol
Ted , Good to see you are on the ball...I have fixed up the mistake so it is the correct info.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 31, 2015, 01:44:45 AM
OK, since you want my skeleton in the closet, here you go::::
OMG, I always knew there was something different about you Mike..........and don't think we won't notice the subliminal message you're sending with a black kitty kat in the reflection of a lens. :o ( maybe grey and white, but same subliminals or perhaps a new word "sublanimals) ;D ;D
(http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/6092a_1.jpg.html)
A 1934 Bridge City as found on Ebay. This one needed a bit of work but is all correct and working now. Operation was performed by the Penn Dr. M.C. himself.
First..second..third/forth year Sea Fords.
The first is a reel Frankenstein. Headplate is first/second year/model correct, but the tailplate appears to be from a first year LongBeach since it has the inner ring.
First and second year 109.
I'm wondering what else Ted will come up with, I've seen the many boxes of reels he has stashed away, I'm sure he didn't even look at some yet. ;D
Thanks for sharing your treasures, my friend.
Sal
Quote..........and don't think we won't notice the subliminal message you're sending with a black kitty kat in the reflection of a lens.
Nope, not me. I don't do subliminal. I have enough trouble with the regular plain old over and above board
liminal. Forgetabout a SUBliminal :P
Quote from: Tightlines666 on October 31, 2015, 03:42:47 AM
Hope springs eternal
Love those old maroon reels. Every time i see one the heart rate goes up and
hope to see one i have not seen before.
Mike, Hope that old guest can hold on till Thanksgiving ........He sure needs a feed.
QuoteMike, Hope that old guest can hold on till Thanksgiving ........He sure needs a feed.
He is a bit anorexic, just can't seem to keep anything down ;D
QuoteLove those old maroon reels. Every time i see one the heart rate goes up and hope to see one i have not seen before.
I sort of feel that the old maroon 1933 Penn reels are getting harder to find in good condition and the boxes are near impossible. Can't remember the last 1933, or for that matter, 1934 style box. Maybe its me, I can't remember many things :-\.
Had this one going on 5 years. Haven't done a thing to it, just sits on the shelf. As you can see they used it a lot and it would still catch fish the way it is.
300 yard Coronado prototype.
Always got a few waiting in the bullpen.
Just need some time to get to them -- they generally come last after customers and life's responsibilities.
As found or acquired.
Old LB60
Anglesea
99
Silver Beach
(2) Seagates
500 JM
Peerless 9
And assorted older non Penns
Quote from: Oceanreels on October 31, 2015, 03:33:07 PM
Had this one going on 5 years. Haven't done a thing to it, just sits on the shelf. As you can see they used it a lot and it would still catch fish the way it is.
300 yard Coronado prototype.
Thanks Brian............That's what I intended this thread to be about..............well used old penns that look like they were used for a boat anchor and have stood the test of time and abuse, but still function silky smooth. I think you have a 1933 long beach you rigged up and were considering fishing. How bout posting that old salty reel ??
Ted,
Here's the Long Beach. This is ready to go just have to add line and put in on the rod. It has been cleaned, no way was I going to use it the way it looked. Problem is don't know when I'll be able to get out to fish. Check out our forecast for the next few days. http://www.wunderground.com/MAR/PZ/255.html It's like that most of the time this time of year.
Many moons ago I found a 1933 Penn Long Beach. It was rough, so rough that I felt I had to name this reel. I named it, "The Ugly Long Beach". I still resides in my collection. I will never sell it. As you can imagine, they are not beating down my door to buy it, so not selling it was never a problem. Here is my old and abused Long Beach as I found it in 2006.
I had been collecting for a short time. As a new collector, the 1933 reels were the most elusive Penn reels to find, so this ugly old Long Beach looked like a gem to me. It did not come cheap, if I remember right, I paid about $150 for it. I was happy to find it, no matter what the cost. In my mind it was rare.
For those that do not know me, I am not the kind of collector that places condition in the number one spot. My priority is always the piece! A rare reel is rare, even if it is ugly.
So, I decided to clean this reel. I broke it down and am happy to report that old dog of a reel was all original.
After cleaning and reassembly, guess what. It runs like new, the drags are good, the clicker is good, it spins nice, quiet, smooth and fast. This reel could be lined and still catch fish on any day of the week. At 82 years old, it cold still be put to work.
All those years of dirt, grime and that famous saltwater green are gone, along with most of the chrome.
The side plates have that sandblasted style that I love.
And the stand has a mixture of chrome and brass that creates patina that is impossible to duplicate. What really adds character is the Bakelite chipped handle boss, a very common condition with these 1933 models.
Yup, this is a reel that is what it is, clean, fully functioning and still Ugly. But it is my first 1933 Long Beach and no matter what the offers are, I refuse to part with it.
QuoteAlways got a few waiting in the bullpen.
Fred,
Your consistent accumulations never cease to amaze me. You are the neatest hoarder I have ever seen.
QuoteHere's the Long Beach. This is ready to go just have to add line and put in on the rod. It has been cleaned, no way was I going to use it the way it looked. Problem is don't know when I'll be able to get out to fish. Check out our forecast for the next few days. http://www.wunderground.com/MAR/PZ/255.html It's like that most of the time this time of year.
Brian,
Great reel, please keep it on the shelf. After checking out your weather, I believe you should take up surf fishing until next Summer. :o
Though more of an angler than reel collector, these types of threads perk my interest enough to get a couple of oldie goldies that have decades of fish and ocean love patina built up on them just for my display case.
But I know how that ends.....it doesn't.....just ONE more....
I had a handful of the common garden variety Penns and sold them this past summer.
So my hat's off to you serious reel nuts...er...aficionados. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Steve-O on November 01, 2015, 03:17:58 AM
So my hat's off to you serious reel nuts...er...aficionados. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Mike, There's that familiar term...
"Reel Nuts" .
I can think of worse things to be than a reel nut. Ray is still holding out on us. I know he has some that show their age and want to be pulled out of the closet for a moment of fame.
Mike, I love that '33 long beach. Looks like the original owner liked it too... ;D
QuoteHey Mike, There's that familiar term... "Reel Nuts"
Yup, we have been Reel Nuts for many years. As Ted said, we could be worse things.
Anyways, here is one of my favorites. For some reason, it took me a long time to find this first year Squidder 140. It has a permanent place on my shelf.
It is unique and different than all other Squidders because of the non-clamp stand and the Linen Line capacity stamping on the bottom of the stand. The Squidder was built like this only in 1939.
Mike, that's too cool. Interesting how not a whole lot had changed from beginning to end on those Squidders.
Some awesome pieces in the thread, enjoying it quite a bit :)
Ted, dare I say your 'Coronado'? It would fit well here.
Just recieved my first gen. 9/0 in the mail today. It appears to be correct for a ca. 1939 production year. It is in rough shape, but certainly has plenty of 'character'. I am thinking of only a light cleaning/service before displaying in all of her ugly glory.
Although this is one of the more common prewar and first gen senator models, they are still relatively tough to come by. It has the unmistakable characteristics of an early 9/0...
German silver, nonnumbered parts, internal drags, small harness lugs, no rod brace lugs, early mold w/o model number, 3-piece spool with drilled arbor, early Hershey clicker style, older style crossplate/stand w/small diameter carriage bolts, and 1939-42 era, style torpedo handle w/ coin-edged counterweight.
It may even be possible that this reel is a first year 1936 or produced b4 1939 whereby someone decided to upgrade the reel with the new torpedo handle when it came out...
why can't fishermen just leave well enough alone :)
QuoteIt may even be possible that this reel is a first year 1936 or produced b4 1939 whereby someone decided to upgrade the reel with the new torpedo handle when it came out...
John,
Does that reel have external drags? In the top picture it looks like it does not have them and in the lower picture it looks like it does. Are my eyes playing tricks on me?
I have three first gen 9/0's in my collection and none of them have external drags. If it does have the external drags, then I really doubt if it is an early version.
Mike,
That same camera angle fooled several of us (I won't say who exactly), but no the reel has internal drags.
Here are a couple of first gen ( handle at 5 O'clock ) Senators with the external drags. First one is a Schultz Game Fisher. Second one is a regular Penn, note that the new logo in on this reel. I feel that they went to the external drags in 1940. I also think that you don't see many first gen reels with the external drags as they started to make second gen 9/0 reels ( handle at 7 O'clock ) in 1940.
QuoteHere are a couple of first gen ( handle at 5 O'clock ) Senators with the external drags. First one is a Schultz Game Fisher. Second one is a regular Penn, note that the new logo in on this reel. I feel that they went to the external drags in 1940. I also think that you don't see many first gen reels with the external drags as they started to make second gen 9/0 reels ( handle at 7 O'clock ) in 1940.
Brian,
What do you base your timeline on? I feel that the external drag 9/0's are post war and the first generation 9/0's were made after the war for a short time. Saying that second generation build styles were made for the 9/0 size, pre-war, is a stretch, unless you have some documentation I do not know about. I have three Penn 9/0's, all with the old fashioned logos and one Shultz Gamefisher 9/0. All of them are internal drags, early build style reels. I know the external drags were installed into first generation build reels; but, I feel it was done after World War II.
I base the time line on the information in the catalogs and from my observations. In the 1938 and 1939 catalogs they refer to the external drags as "The 12/0 Senator Star Drag". See page 9 in Cat. #6, 1938 and page 18 in #7 1939. In 1940 they now refer to the external drags as "The Senator Star Drag" they also had images of 7 senators, in 1938 & 39 they only had 3. They images of the 9/0 & 4/0 now show the external drags. Last thing is that in 1941 Penn for the first time state that the forward rod brace was on the 9/0. They don't show it in the images. I have only seen 1 first gen 9/0 with the forward rod brace and it was the one that just sold on eBay. That reel has a lot of updated parts added to it so the chance of those rod braces being there when it was made are slim to none, IMHO. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-Generation-Penn-9-0-Senator-Reel-Rare-Configuration-Late-1930s-Must-See-/151859548079?hash=item235b88cfaf%3Ag%3ARooAAOSw%7EbFWKp7t&nma=true&si=5b8g8LBlEbmFUqSItWjCMYKoT0k%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 I have 2 second gen 9/0 that do not have the forward braces and have the small harness braces.
When I look at that it makes me think that they had the external drags by 1940. But you have to remember that this is the opinion of The Insane One. ;D
This is good stuff.
I wonder about cases of older mold plugs being used in newer style molds (i.e. non model # plug in a 9/0 Senator with front rod brace). This would seem to be a somewhat common practice with regards to trade reels whoes production spanned the transition at the factory. But the occurance in standard Penn reels seems likely to have occurred during a transition period where the old plug was used in the newly developed mold for a short period before the new mold plug arrived?
Using up older parts in a newer reel makes sense, as does someone upgrading an older reel with newer parts, but it's these cases where there is a mix of new and old traits in a single reel or dustict part priduced fir that reel, that seem to suggest a transitional period at the factory.
I may be confusing myself here.
My understanding, from Mike, Ray, and other experts who have researched Penn extensively, is --
Penn wasted very little.
Since a majority of parts would fit the same reel for many years -- there was no reason to not use what was on hand.
We have to remember, this was an independent business, based on manufacturing high quality reels for the masses -- at a competitive price -- and still turn a profit.
And, of course, there was no intention of building collector items for the future.
Employees were encouraged to use their heads, in order to send out as many reels as possible to retailers -- and if the parts were already on hand -- that just made sense.
These reels were mean't to be fished -- so if a part was from a couple of years or a decade ago -- as long as it was up to the quality control standards -- and would fit -- it was used.
Otto and company were smart folks -- as well as thrifty -- all good traits.
Best,
Fred
The very first senator in 1936 was the 9/0 and its came from a long beach 60, just enlarged, but basically same exact design with outer rings added. Those first set of plates were internal drags based on the long beach design, then 1937 the 12/0 was introduced and had external drags from the get go, as did all the other senators to follow.....so going from all the talk about how thrifty penn was, it makes sense that they did want to upgrade the 9/0 to external drags, but would delay that upgrade simply to get the use out of those expensive cavity molds. They obviously did eventually make a 1st gen 9/0 cavity mold with outer drag access, but I believe that few of that configuration ever left the factory, as less than a handful have been found out of literally thousands of 1st gen 9/0's produced.
I am of the opinion that pre-war Penn was in constant transition. Using the catalog like a Law Book, gets everyone into trouble. There are tells everywhere in the catalogs that refer to how things were and when you get into it, you find many of those tells become a points of confusion.
Case in point:
QuoteIn 1940 they now refer to the external drags as "The Senator Star Drag" they also had images of 7 senators, in 1938 & 39 they only had 3. They images of the 9/0 & 4/0 now show the external drags.
This was a great find Brian. I never noticed this before; but, you are correct. It would seem that Penn had these illustrations drawn depicting the 4/0 and 9/0 as external drag reels.
The Penn catalogs also show first generation reels to continue in production until 1948. We know that is not true, at least with the larger models; but, it may be partially true with some of the smaller models. I have owned many 9/0 first gen reels. It seem they are one of the easiest first gen models to find. I have never had one with external drags. I have also owned at least three first gen 4/0's and none of them have external drags. I find the 4/0's much harder to find than the 9/0's.
Since I have started my studies of vintage Penn reels, the one consistent word is confusion. As we move through each and every little piece of information spread out of 80 years of unregulated catalog publishing, we seem to be always refuting something that was irrefutable the month before. That must be what makes this hobby so much fun, as soon as we think we have it all figured out, we have to start over!
Mike, you are too hard on yourself. Your book is a history book, and the historical progression of penn reels is what your book is about and I think you did a fantastic job of accomplishing that task. Every history book ever written needs some editing from tidbits of skewed data or facts. A lot of conclusions may come from the most "logical" answer, which leaves the door open for alternative avenues.
As far as the illustrations in catalogs and advertisements..... we are back onto the subject of the "thrifty" side of Penn. The original illustrations from mid 30's thru early 40's were used well into the late 50's in advertisements, hardware catalogs, and penn catalogs, and as new model were introduced, those illustrations would be mingled right in with old illustrations ... Not likely the average penn buyer would notice that his reel had 1 o'clock shifter, but was illustrated as 11 o'clock in the catalog, and my bet is Penn saw it the same way. I am with Brian on the changeover time frame, but I reserve the right to flip flop at any given moment. ;D ;)
Thanks Ted.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 06, 2015, 11:26:22 PM
Thanks Ted.
Perhaps we could get Brian P to post pics of the early boxed 2nd gen 9/0 rod and reel he stumbled upon. The catalog #9 that came with it confirms 2nd gen changeover happened prior to the war. I believe it all came from original owner.
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Perhaps we could get Brian P to post pics of the early boxed 2nd gen 9/0 rod and reel he stumbled upon. The catalog #9 that came with it confirms 2nd gen changeover happened prior to the war. I believe it all came from original owner.
Ted,
You live closer to Brian than I do. I think you should go visit him and have a photo shoot. Then post the pictures. That would be fun.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on December 18, 2015, 07:50:05 PM
Quote
Perhaps we could get Brian P to post pics of the early boxed 2nd gen 9/0 rod and reel he stumbled upon. The catalog #9 that came with it confirms 2nd gen changeover happened prior to the war. I believe it all came from original owner.
Ted,
You live closer to Brian than I do. I think you should go visit him and have a photo shoot. Then post the pictures. That would be fun.
Fun for who ??..... sorry my friend but My helicopter is in for service at the moment and I only drive south to fish, and anyone who voluntarily drives the I-5 corridor from Seattle thru Olympia needs to see a shrink. Thus the helicopter. ;D Wink Wink ;)
Wait a second
Brian already has this wonderful site...
http://myfishingreels.weebly.com
showcasing his collection. Maybe an update here is in order?
I think Mike, Ted, Broadway Joe ;)... I mean.. Dom, and friends might consider following suit. I know that old OC photos sure could also use an update. Just a wild suggestion...
I know setting these sites up and maintaining them can be alot of work.
Sounds cheaper/more efficient then a helicopter ride though.
Thanks for taking the time to post that up Brian. You did great legwork and have confirmed a moment in time, written in stone, that may not seem very important to most, but to me it says what many suspected all along. 1st gen 9/0 transformed to gen2 prior to the war, as so did the rest of the senator models, which explains why 1st gen senators are so hard to find, except 1st gen 9/0 which is more common but still not easy to find.
The reel cleaned up very nice Brian, and the rod is a great all original era piece as well. Congrats on the great find, and glad you somehow found room to squeeze one more special reel and big game rod in your display....time to update your website my friend !! lol
I see Ted is not the only miracle worker here. Great find! & a great job on the restoration.
Transition may have happened a bit earlier on in some of these Senators. I suspect, that the molds themselves were likely produced (and available or utilized ) earlier then all of the reels exiting the factory for that particular year may suggest.
The catalogs and advertisements often depict older products, then what are actally being produced, or exiting the factory for that given time period. We know that most printed materials require some time to compile, and also its easier (and more cost-effective) to continue using an older illustration, or ad then to update everything to match what will be getting produced & released out of the factory when the catalogs/advertisements are active.
It seems to me that models that were produced, and moved (/sold) during a given production period (which may or may not have lined up with a calender or given catalog version), would likely be the first to use upgraded parts/design features. While those that had been overproduced (in whole or part), would continue to leave the factory in older style config (or with some older style parts) until the stocks were used up. An obvious case in point in the use of older style common parts, uch as handles, on later (especially smaller, cheaper, larger production run) model reels.
It's not surprising that the higher cost models that were produced, shipped and sold in lower quantities tend to show more continuity with regards to changing features for a given production run, or even with respect to catalog and advertising depictions/illustrations. It's the other more popular/larger production run reels (such as the LongBeach, and even the 9/0) that can confuse and baffle with regards to when exactly they left the factory, or were sold for that matter.
Interesting stuff, and it's true that there are not always hard and fast rules here.
Just some thoughts based on what I have gleaned from the hard work other collectors have put into this facinating topic.
Brian,
Great reel, super restoration. I was surprised how nice the reel came out. I absolutely love the rod, but you know that.
At this point in time, we have hashed over the production times of these reels so many times that I have to assume that the first and second generation build styles were, for some unknown amount time, leaving the factory at the same time period, both pre and post WW II.
This brings to mind, how little was known about Penn reels just 8 or 10 years ago. I remember having discussions with people about the doubt of the existence of the 1933 Sea Ford because it was not in the catalog and also absolutely no one knew anything about First Generation build styles of Senators. Ray and I kept that secret for a very long time. We have come a long way in a short time.
Now Brian, will you please help me find a First Gen 16/0 before all these Tani guys jump on it! ;D
Mike,
I sent the American Pickers a request for one approx a year ago....No answer.
Ray
Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word?
I was thinking I would ask them to try to find one of those Penn dealer reel displays. Maybe we should wait and see if they come through on Mike's 16/0 first :)
Thanks for the compliments, but I can't take all the credit. A lot goes to the original owner. Most of what you saw on the before photo was dried out grease. You can see in the photo that the grease and oil tubes have been used a lot. I think that most of went on the outside of the reel. The reel does not look like it was used more than a couple of times, inside is like new.
Ted,
Believe it or not, I still have room on the Penn shelves for a few more reels. On the rest of the shelves I've reached a point where if I add a reel something else has to go.
John,
There are a number theories as to when Penn went to second generation Senators. I will try to explain my, which is
based on catalogs, photos, adds and reels in my collection. I have relied more on the written description in the catalogs. Something I don't get is why Penn changed the photo for the Sea Hawk in 1937 and 1938 to show the changes in the reel but not for the Senators.
We know that the 16/0 was made in second generation in 1940 by the photo on the back cover of the 1941 catalog. Now when it was available to the public we don't know.
Next there is the March 1942 add showing the second generation 16/0. If you look at the add you will see that they show the 16/0 reel with large 16/0 drags. The first generation and early second generation 16/0 reels had the same drags as the 12/0.
The 9/0 went to second generation in 1941. The early reels did not have the forward rod brace lugs as the were using their old rings that did not have the cut outs. As you and others have said they did not throw out good parts. I feel that this was the case with a lot of parts that could be used on either generation, but not the plates. They knew in advance that they were going to the second generation reels so they only made enough plates to get them though the current year. Another thing we need to keep in mind. It is my understanding that Penn was going to 7 O'clock for better leverage, not for looks.
Now if you look at the years that each of the other Senators made prior to 1941, the price of the different ones and lack of first generation reels for a number of models. Based on all of this, by 1941 or 1942 Penn was making nothing bur second generation reels. If the first generations reels were still being made after WW11 there would be a lot more of them.
As Mike posted " At this point in time, we have hashed over the production times of these reels so many times that I have to assume that the first and second generation build styles were, for some unknown amount time, leaving the factory at the same time period, both pre and post WW II.
This brings to mind, how little was known about Penn reels just 8 or 10 years ago. I remember having discussions with people about the doubt of the existence of the 1933 Sea Ford because it was not in the catalog and also absolutely no one knew anything about First Generation build styles of Senators. Ray and I kept that secret for a very long time. We have come a long way in a short time.
" I feel that if first generation reels were made after WW11 this would not have been the case.
I hope all this makes sense, I'm not a writer like Mike.
Mike,
You will be the first to know if I have a lead on first generation 16/0.
Well said Brian. Most of what you just said is backed up by documentation, the rest is a VERY LOGICAL conclusion based on the facts. Many people go to prison for life on less conclusive information. I'd say the jury is no longer out on this verdict.
Thanks for posting your reasoning Brian, and always waiting for whats next from good old Oregon !!
Brian,
Your reasoning is totally logical. I do not believe we need proof to learn anything from this time forward, I suspect that proof would only be used for verification at this point.
I believe you should have your insurance guy write a high end policy for your collection. You have amassed a phenomenal amount of scarce reels :o :o
All the Best,
Mike C.
PS-----Thanks for the thoughts in terms of letting me know about a 1st gen 16/0, if one crosses your path. I do not believe I could ever afford to buy one if it went public. These new collectors are driving the prices nuts. Have you been watching the Model F this week, it is almost $1400 with 2 days left and has not reached the reserve. The pockets are getting deeper!
Mike,
Prices are getting nuts. However, as I think we all know, it's your skill as an author that put them there.
QuoteMike,
Prices are getting nuts. However, as I think we all know, it's your skill as an author that put them there.
Thanks, I still cannot get used to feeling that. I am a mechanic.
You did a beautiful job on that 9/0 and the box as well, Brian. Thanks for sharing it with us.
I remember one of those lighthouse boxes disintegrated before my eyes, as I was trying to put it back together :-\...excellent work!
Sal
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 19, 2015, 05:04:36 AM
Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word?
I was thinking I would ask them to try to find one of those Penn dealer reel displays. Maybe we should wait and see if they come through on Mike's 16/0 first :)
Those two remind me of these two guys
(http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/Laurel%20amp%20Hardy.png.html)
Quote from: Oceanreels on December 19, 2015, 07:15:43 PMIt is my understanding that Penn was going to 7 O'clock for better leverage, not for looks.
I've had PM exchanges with Mike about the reason for the changeover from 1st to 2nd gen Senators, and I suggested this same thing.... As the Senator line got larger Henze concluded (this is speculation) that as the reels got larger and the gear sleeve got farther from the angler cranking efficiency went down. His solution was to change the position of the crank so it was closer to the angler at the 7 o'clock position, which increased cranking efficiency - but he discovered this first on the 16/0, before many were made, and switched over early in production. I think it took the size of the 16/0 for him to find a need to change the design. Just speculation, but it makes logical sense.
Sid
My favorite American Picker is Danielle, without her, the show is boring.............................
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 19, 2015, 05:04:36 AM
Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word?
No surprise; those two nerds would rather buy a rusted-out gumball machine stand than a cherry old Penn reel.
::)
~
A~
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No surprise; those two nerds would rather buy a rusted-out gumball machine stand than a cherry old Penn reel. Roll Eyes
Maybe it is me; but, I find it hard to believe two guys are driving all over the country in a big white van buying junk to resell and actually making a living at it. What I suspect is a really smart script writer has created a hot reality show and that is where the dollars really come from.
Here is a 1946/47 long beach 67 as found with era correct linen line. It fell outta the sky and hit me in the head outta nowhere. ;) ;)... I just dusted it off is all. Not bad for $13 ;D ;D
Ted
Ted's "dusting" jobs are better than my full-blown restorations!
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Aiala on December 20, 2015, 07:26:00 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 19, 2015, 05:04:36 AM
Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word?
No surprise; those two nerds would rather buy a rusted-out gumball machine stand than a cherry old Penn reel. ::)
~A~
:D :D
Ok New Era Math...1+1=700.....Finally won on an auction site that may rhyme with "GoodWillHunting" ::)...a Surfmaster 200 and JM 500..
Peeled off nearly 700 yds of mono from both reels...I swear I could hear the plastic spools groan as I peeled off full spools of mono.. :o
Opened both up to find a maroon spool that matched the side plates on the 500....and a badly chipped spool on the 200, but surprisingly neither spool was blown up under the mono....
But I did find something interesting on the 500...a square nut under the clamp post hex nut...but only one... ???
Well found steel main and pinion gears on both, and asbestos drags....gonna need a new spool for th 200, and debating whether to upgrade the 500 or leave as is....anyone have and idea on the 500 manufacture date? Maroon side plates, maroon spool, steel gears, and amber (?) handle?....thanks in advance....Bill
That Jigmaster plate definitely looks old school. I Haven't seen one like it.
I would replace both those spools with aluminum or chrome brass at minimum.
Looks like a good score.
QuoteWell found steel main and pinion gears on both, and asbestos drags....gonna need a new spool for th 200, and debating whether to upgrade the 500 or leave as is....anyone have and idea on the 500 manufacture date? Maroon side plates, maroon spool, steel gears, and amber (?) handle?....thanks in advance....Bill
Really impossible to date the reel to an exact year without the box; but, yours is definitely an early Jigmaster.
Here is the 1959 Catalog introduction of the Jigmaster:
This is pretty much the reel you have pictured. Here is the reel from a 1959 box. Maroon with a white handle.
And the tail plate side, pretty much your reel:
If you put your reel in a 1959 box, you have a correct 1959 package. The Surfmaster is from the same vintage. But if you put those reels in a 1960 or 61 Blue box with metal corners, that could also be correct. But at least you have an early, first generation style reel. If you intend to use it, Then do as Daron says and upgrade the spool to a metal version. The plastic spools are OK, unless you plan on strong game fish. Those early lightweight spools were really meant for distance casting and will breakdown under heavy loads, especially with mono.
I have replacement spools for those. Either plastic or old three piece.
I replace them with stainless or aluminum.
If your going to fish it, They are a chance I don't want to take.
Thanks to all for the input.....nice additions to the growing family......Bill.....SH pm sent thanks brother...
Beauty and the Beast......I got these two from a gentleman from Camino, CA, via an online classified, while talking to Curtis he told me is a cancer survivor with a double lung transplant. He looked good, said he can finally breath and is in the process of getting back into fly fishing, and stream trout fishing, but was sad to let this Penn Levelmatic go. Just didn't fit into his fishing at this point, crap what kind of fishing is, after a double lung transplant :o..after paying him for the nearly 100% condition 930, he opened the back of his truck and asked if there was anything else that caught my eye. I rooted around an saw this 113 Senator (yes there were black plates under that dirt and dust) he wanted $30 and threw in the rod, which I will post in the Rods section later. So I have the Beauty and the Beast, cant wait to open the Beast up. I really don't want to risk any damage to the Beauty, but she's gonna get opened too, after the hands stop shaking from all the excitement. I really wanted the 930, and getting the 113 was gravy, mashed potatoes, stuffing and pumpkin pie. ;D
On a side note, the 113 has two really thick asbestos washers, steel gears, and a bent spool shaft....gonna have to figure out how to straighten a bent shaft on a cast bronze spool...... :(
Quote from: TARFU on May 22, 2016, 06:07:04 AM
On a side note, the 113 has two really thick asbestos washers, steel gears, and a bent spool shaft....gonna have to figure out how to straighten a bent shaft on a cast bronze spool...... :(
You probably already know, but a long beach 67 stainless spool will fit, if you cant straighten the cast spool - or you could make a Grouper Special with a 66 spool if you have a YTS stand or frame.
Mike
Up to now I never had luck with bend spool shafts or warped spools on trying to get them straight again.
If you feel like wasting your time and give it a shot, go for it Bill.
If you are unlucky as I was, send me a PM and I'll get a new spool out to you... N/C .
Sal
Very kind of you Sal......pm sent, let me know what the shipping is and I'll get an envelope in the mail....just like the fellow pisanos do.... ;)....Bill
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 22, 2016, 02:24:19 PM
My 501 Jigmaster has this same tail plate. Didn't the 501 come out in '66? They must have used that plate for many years.
QuoteMy 501 Jigmaster has this same tail plate. Didn't the 501 come out in '66? They must have used that plate for many years.
The 501 was introduced in 1965. Early models used the same side plate as the Jigmaster 500. As time went on the tail plates became blank and then stated Jigmaster with no model number. There are probably more variations than I am aware of.
A Penn Leveline 350 and a Coronado:
Looking Good George.
Good to see you old Chap. ;)
Coronado's are always a great find. The last one was made in 1941.
Here's an early Long Beach 65 that I picked up as a gift for my brother. He has displays of old fishing tackle and likes the patina and character left on the items. This was intended to be an "as ya found it" piece, but
after I received it I noticed the stand had been changed to a #30-66. This is not uncommon...lots of Long Beaches got this mod. The first photo shows the 66 stand was way shinier than the rest of the reel...just not a good look. :-\
Then while pondering the stand problem I was fiddling with the reel and noticed the spool was way too wide. It seemed to be too far inside the rings on both sides...just looked wrong. I pulled out another LB65 spool and sure enough, it was nearly 1/8th inch shorter! :o
Well, I decided this thing was going to be right, so I scoured fleabay for the right parts, with the right patina also. The other three pics show the reel with corrections. Would you believe I had to pay more for a crusty old stand than a shiny NOS one? All in all, I still have very little invested, and the reel is
right. 8)
Mo, you did that reel a great service by bringing it back to the way it was originally built. The non numbered 65 metal spool is tough to find in any condition. Trust me, I know. Just ask my alter ego "OCD" :D :D
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 06, 2016, 11:43:07 PM
Mo, you did that reel a great service by bringing it back to the way it was originally built. The non numbered 65 metal spool is tough to find in any condition. Trust me, I know. Just ask my alter ego "OCD" :D :D
Ted
I have to agree. That is a great looking reel just the way it is. Love that handgrip and tail plate.
Basto
mo,
Another great job my man. You have only been here a short time and some of your builds are just jaw dropping.
You deserve a promotion for your Ingenuity. You are now a Sensei Member ;)
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 06, 2016, 11:43:07 PM
Mo, you did that reel a great service by bringing it back to the way it was originally built.
Quote from: basto on October 07, 2016, 12:56:21 AM
Love that handgrip and tail plate.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on October 07, 2016, 04:46:50 AM
You are now a Sensei Member
Thanks Ted, and I'll have to agree, that old LB just looks happy now! :D As a bonus...I have a nice non-numbered #30-66 stand...but that spool is a mystery. Any idea what it might be? It's just a hair too wide for this LB. Basto, I'm going to post a better pic of the handle knob on the handle thread in the vintage forum. It's an interesting knob for sure...as it's translucent. Thanks Daron...I appreciate it very much! 8)
Mo, that is the correct spool. It appears to be as it should, looking at your pictures. It's just the way penn made em.
Ted
Here are pics of the spools, correct one is the shorter spool. Just remember that the top side(left side on second pic) of the spools is aligned, even if it looks like its not.
Notice a smaller arbor on the wider spool, which makes it earlier version. No telling why it's a hair wider, but Penn never made any LB size reel that's just "a hair" wider. Perhaps a factory worker was sipping whiskey at work that day, who knows ?? :D :D
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 07, 2016, 07:50:50 PM
who knows ?? :D :D
I agree...I'm wondering if it's even a Penn spool? :P Also...I remember when working in a factory how quality control dropped off after a holiday party. :D
German Silver? Did you try to polish the rings.
No I didn't try to polish them. The photos don't show it but they have a pretty polish already. I like the way it looks with the patina. Have you ever seen German silver turn like that?
Mike,
That is one reel I don't have. A 1/0.
I'm with Rudy, something looks unusual about that patina.
I would leave it just like it is.
Quote from: The Great Maudu on October 08, 2016, 05:24:07 AM
No I didn't try to polish them. The photos don't show it but they have a pretty polish already. I like the way it looks with the patina. Have you ever seen German silver turn like that?
Yes, I've seen eating utensils made of German Silver get a similar patina when not used for quite a while. Rudy
I think Rudy is right. Sometimes german silver starts to looks like that. It's as though extra copper was somehow drawn to the surface. I don't know how it works, but it may have something to do with galvanic corrosion and being a substitutional alloy.
-steve
Maybe they are German silver. The reel foot looks like gs as well but it didn't turn.
It is a Silver Beach--Model 97.......... The handle came from Frankenstein's Castle at the end of a Friday Afternoon after a Wild Shop Party. :-\
GM good looking Silver Beach.....maybe you can post a handle pictur in the Handles section of Vintage Penn section.....I have a couple old aftermarket handles I'll post later.....Bill
QuoteHere's reel number 3 in this series. It is a pristine Mariner 49A. The attraction here was the condition and these reels are tough to come by. It even had the box and the decal is still on the spool. I just wiped the dust off it and left it like I found it
Great find Mike. The history of these models is great! Most definitely a shelfie!
Oh Man! :o
You have been holding out on me Mike.
That is one fine reel My Man. ;)
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 09, 2016, 05:25:29 AM
Great find Mike. The history of these models is great! Most definitely a shelfie!
I would never have known they even existed if it weren't for your books. I was tempted to fish it and add it to my stories but it's just too nice. Maybe when I found an old beater at a garage sale I'll fish that one.
Oh man...you guys are doin' it again...now I gotta have a Mariner too!! ;D Great reel Maudu.
well I never found if the reels have to be vintage or not to be on this thread, but I want to play with my recently Penn reel found on a yard sale, cheap as chips.
nothing that a little TLC dont fix
Quote from: steelfish on October 13, 2016, 11:05:02 PM
well I never found if the reels have to be vintage or not to be on this thread, but I want to play with my recently Penn reel found on a yard sale, cheap as chips.
nothing that a little TLC dont fix
Great find. That reel was begging for someone like you to take it home and give it the AT treatment !! 8) 8)
You keep us posted on the progress of that Baja Steelfish.
I want to see the "Cheap as Chips" reel when she is ready to roll.
This is how I like to find them.
114H Anniversary Edition, 114H Black side plate model and a 9/0 Transition reel. All finds from last week.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on October 14, 2016, 05:13:21 AM
You keep us posted on the progress of that Baja Steelfish.
I want to see the "Cheap as Chips" reel when she is ready to roll.
This is how I like to find them.
114H Anniversary Edition, 114H Black side plate model and a 9/0 Transition reel. All finds from last week.
as soon as I gave the AT treatment I will post some pics of the reel
nice finds, those reels look great
Quote from: Shark Hunter on October 14, 2016, 05:13:21 AM
You keep us posted on the progress of that Baja Steelfish.
I want to see the "Cheap as Chips" reel when she is ready to roll.
well the reel have been AlanTanized and its ready to rumble
sorry for the dark pictures, they were taken on my cell phone last night and it doesnt take good pictures on low light, the SS rings, handle and other SS goodies have a really good shine again.
I spend more taking my family to the burguers than what I paid for this reel, dang, that feels just great!!
that dont happend very often to me, so I enjoy moments like this one.
Great reels guys, love the Baja Special.
Tim
This ones not very old but it came out of the Crown Royal bag looking reel nice for sitting nearly 20 years ;D
(http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/DSC00669_zpshp5fxkew.jpg.html)
So on the way home from work today, I stopped by a pawn shop in downtown Sacramento, really just to look around ::), and spy this rod and reel, I could see it was a cradle reel and what I though was a run of the mill Deep Sea 49, I nearly lost my balance lunging for the set up, and with trembling knees saw it was a Nep-Tuna, knowing little, but enough to know the Nep-Tuna is one of Mike Cacioppo's (Penn Chronology) side hobbies, so it was good enough for me :D I looked at the price tag expecting to see $100 or more but found the tag to read $29.00 :o Grabbing it tightly, walked up to the counter and asked if he would take $25 8) The clerk said we just listed it on Craigslist for $25 :D I tried to get a little more because it had 3 of 5 eyes on the Key Lime Pie colored Johnny Walker rod broken....but he wouldnt budge >:( I i bit the bullet and dropped a whopping $27.50 for the Nep-Tuna and what turned out to be a Master Mariner 349HC....maybe we should start a new topic for the cradle reels, I know Dom has one in progress and Mike has a full rack, but then again it might take the cradle reel market and send to the rafters.....Bill Plus Im gonna have a lot of questions on restoring this one. ;D
Terrific At Rescuing Fishing Units ,
You THIEF ! ;D You won't be able to sleep tonight.
Ray
Great find Bill. I solved my twisting by drilling and tapping a screw through the cradle and rod. I am taking it with me to cabo next week. It has a 9/0 on it and I left it stock. I'll see how it works and report the way it worked when I post my fishing report. Dominick
Thats good news Dom and good luck in Cabo make us proud or at least jealous ;D
Ray yes Im not gonna sleep very good tonight....kinda like sleeping Christmas Eve after opening a present.... ::) but what is scary is the pawn shop wanted $29, and that would have made them a profit and dropped it to $25 and still expected to make a profit.....wonder what they payed for it :'(
But did take the 349 apart and so far the shopping list will be CF drags to make a 5 stack, a dog because the previous owner cut off the tip so it will not disengage with the lever, one side plate screw which broke at the head and needed a dremel to grind off the broken screw slot and an inner tail plate ring which has a small crack...with the exception of the broken screw this old girl will still catch fish.....I did notice the Nep-Tuna frame was drilled for either a 349 or 49 which opens some possibilities, but expect this frame to do best with the 349......Bill
What a great find Bill. Talk about being in the right place at the right time! Nothing cooler than a cradle reel.
Great Find Bill! :o
QuoteGrabbing it tightly, walked up to the counter and asked if he would take $25 Cool
I almost fell of my chair when I read that you were trying to negotiate $4.00 off a $29.00 price tag that was attached to a item that has the potential to sell at $250.00 plus. ;D You are a better man than me. I would have paid that $29.00 and ran out of the store and not slowed down until I got home. Then I would have checked to see if I was being followed by the Police.
Great deal Bill. The first thing you should check is if the cradle is drilled out for a 349 originally. Most that I have found with 349's mounted are converted from an original Penn 49 mount.
What you found was what I feel is the first release models. They were not anodized and the rod tip ferrule was a friction lock rather than a threaded locking ferrule.
Very hard to find original units with the rod tip. I think I would clean it and restore the rod tip for display and make a second tip if you want to use it.
Great find!!!
QuoteI'll see how it works and report the way it worked when I post my fishing report. Dominick
I will be looking forward to that report.
Nice find, Bill!
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 20, 2016, 02:22:16 PM
... I would have paid that $29.00 and ran out of the store and not slowed down until I got home. Then I would have checked to see if I was being followed by the Police.
hahaha, I felt the same way when I found my newest Baja Special on an old milk crate on a yard-sale, I didnt even tried to negociated a bit or buy anything else, just took it, paid for it a drove home, then at home I started to yell, YEES!! DAAANMM!!
by the way, super great find, love the how unique is that cradle rod
Thanks for the comments guys....I did check the rear view mirror a couple times just to make sure the police went following me ;D
Mike I believe you are correct this was originally a 49 package, when I removed the 349 the frame looked like Swiss Cheese, with at least two screw patterns. I have a 49 that I will try to match up.
I will give a full report and move this discussion to the fishing poles section this weekend....Now how do I explain this to the wife..... ??? Bill
Bill, I don't think $25 is going to be to hard to explain to the wife. If it is send it to me, I don't have a wife to explain to for anything I buy.
Bill, if you really think your going to get into trouble with the wife I'll give ya $50 so you can show her a profit ;D Nice find.
Tim
sometimes the problem is not the $25 cost but the idea to Bring another of those ugly, smelly and old rods (or reel) to the house.
so, Im with Bill... good luck buddy.
PS: normally when this happens I just tell the wife that its a rod or reel that was brough to me to fix it, few days later the mistery owner dont want to fix it and just want the half of what he paid for it, then Im almost obligated to take it.
You did good Bill.
I can't top Bill's Find, but am Happy with this 9500ss with Brass main for a Benjamin. ;)
The 430ss is just for comparison, but another one of my favorite spinners.
Another 114H Blackie in the background.
Life is Good. ;)
That 950 is awesome. Put a Breakaway Cannon on that thing and with the right rod you you could throw some serious shark bait.
Cool bean brother.....I need to start looking for s spinner now :o Bill
Picked up these two on my favorite charity auction site, a Seaboy 85 with mottled plates and a Peer 209.....gonna have to blame Mo for the 209 purchase...he has been doing some amazing things with the 209 so had to get one :D......Bill
Before
After
Pretty work Bill. I always like a 209 steal. I have one going now.
Cool beans brother......hope it comes through.....I was not impressed with the 209 until Mo spilled the beans....now glad I have one.....gonna add it to the fishing quiver....Bill
That 209 cleaned up beautifully Bill! Mine is a dead ringer for yours...except for the brushed spool...anyone know if it's stainless?
Quote from: mo65 on December 08, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
That 209 cleaned up beautifully Bill! Mine is a dead ringer for yours...except for the brushed spool...anyone know if it's stainless?
I believe so, making it a 209M. Also check the seat designation for reference, what does it say? the 9's had two different seats, an "S" being the heavier saltwater stand.
Quote from: thorhammer on December 08, 2016, 01:43:41 PM
I believe so, making it a 209M. Also check the seat designation for reference, what does it say?
The stand on mine is stamped 30-209F...I'm figurin' that's "specially designed" for freshwater. ;) :D :P Bill's looks like the "S" stand.
The cool part is that 209
is actually "just as I found it"...one of the few Penn reels I haven't made some kind of mark on. 8)
Yes, it is SS --
You can tell by the spool brush appearance, the contrast between the rings and spool, plus the weight of the spool.
Great job on that 209.
Best,
Fred
QuoteThe stand on mine is stamped 30-209F...I'm figurin' that's "specially designed" for freshwater. Wink Cheesy Tongue Bill's looks like the "S" stand.
The differences between the fresh and saltwater stands on the Penn Levelwind reels is consistent to them all.
The stand on the left is a "S" designated saltwater stand. The stand on the right will have an "F" added to the model number meaning freshwater stand. This stand identification will also bleed over to the Model 180, which is the reel used as an example on the left.
This one has a salt water stand, however it's a 30-66 stand....maybe a Frankenreel ??? Now we know the 66 frame will fit.....Bill
Quote from: TARFU on December 09, 2016, 04:14:55 AM
This one has a salt water stand, however it's a 30-66 stand....maybe a Frankenreel ???
Oh no Bill...it's no frankenreel...the 209 and 309 both used that 30-66 stand. Even the 210 used it. 8)
QuoteThis one has a salt water stand, however it's a 30-66 stand....maybe a Frankenreel Huh?
Oh no Bill...it's no frankenreel...the 209 and 309 both used that 30-66 stand. Even the 210 used it. Cool
Yup. simply another example of the super interchangeability of Penn Parts............... :)
? What's the difference in the early seahawks and the 1937,,3 post.
Good and complicated question. Off the top of my head.
The 1933 is a 3 post reel with a pull out handle for free spool control.
The 1934, 35 & 36 are four post reels with the pull out handle for free spool control.
The 1937 is a three post reel with a free spool lever.
1938, 39 & 40 were four post reels with free spool levers.
The 1941 & 42 was a small 150 yard reel, different side plate design with four posts and a free spool lever.
After the war, the Sea Hawk was discontinued, It returned around 1959 as the Sea Hawk 77, which was a little kids type cheap reel that never should have had the Sea Hawk name.
Hope that helps.........
This has a waffle ,,but I seen one with a hersey kiss
The reel you pictured is a 1937 Sea Hawk. If you find one with a Hershey Kiss type clicker button on the tail plate, you have found a reel that someone changed the tail plate on. The 1937 model should have a waffle clicker button, a plain tail (no picture engraving) and a drilled spool (no line pin).
Thanks for the information this one is correct :)
QuoteThanks for the information this one is correct Smiley
Glad to help.
Early 50's 2/0. Saw it on eBay last week and had to grab it knowing there was a good chance it could get fished if someone that didn't know better had bought it.
All I did was remove the line and some old grimy grease and give it a quick wipe-down with my magic bling cloth. It is 100% original inside and out. -Ted
Nice find! The reel looks brand new. I love the handle knob!
Gorgeous and as scarce a Penn reel as you will find.
I bet Mike C has already made you an offer on this one.
That really cleaned up nicely too. That may be the nicest first gen 16/0 known to collectors at this time (don't let Brian P. know I suggested this though).
Thanks for sharing this gem!
John
The reel isn't mine I wish it was ! Brian and Mike have already seen it. It did clean up nice what a find !! John
That's beautiful. Do not underestimate John's abilities when it comes to cleaning up an old reel. He's one of the magicians.
Not my reel I didn't clean it either just drooled over it !!
Regardless I still stand by what I said
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 24, 2017, 01:03:54 AM
Early 50's 2/0. Saw it on eBay last week and had to grab it knowing there was a good chance it could get fished if someone that didn't know better had bought it.
All I did was remove the line and some old grimy grease and give it a quick wipe-down with my magic bling cloth. It is 100% original inside and out. -Ted
My favourite PENN. I do have a 2/0, but mine is actually a narrowed 3/0. Mine has 3/0 on the head plate. That one looks perfect. Nice find!
cheers
Basto
Post a pic basto. I'd like to see a narrowed 3/0
Hi Maudu
This is my narrowed 3/0
Basto
Solid reel basto. The 2/0 and 3/0 sideplates are identical other than the # in the logo.
The 2/0 has always been my favorite senator.
- Ted
Quote from: 54bullseye on January 24, 2017, 04:04:14 AM
The reel isn't mine I wish it was ! Brian and Mike have already seen it. It did clean up nice what a find !! John
That's a beauty !! I believe that makes (4) first gen 16/0 known to exist. Mega rare !!
Nice looking reel basto. Looks ready to go battle
Quote from: basto on January 24, 2017, 06:33:57 AM
Hi Maudu
This is my narrowed 3/0
Basto
beautiful reel, I thought the only way to narrowing a 3/0 was with a tib kit (frame and spool)
can you tell me which spool and which posts did you used on yout narrow convertion please?
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.
Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.
Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.
Hi Steelfish
I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto
John, tell your friend, Welcome to the club... that makes #4.
Thats one heck of a rare find... I paid handsomely! ::)
Ted, do you have any reels that don't blind us? What a beauty!
Thanks
Dom
QuoteA good friend of mine who has a beautiful collection of big game reels found a real jewel the other day when looking at a collection he wanted to buy. Most of the reels were kept in the house high and dry but a few were in the garage on shelves most of them corroded and dirty. I guess some had been there 40 years or more and even worse the garage was less than a mile from the ocean so salt was a factor !!! To you serious Penn collectors you will know it right away !! First two pics are how it was found then two after it was cleaned !!! What a beauty !!! I will let Mike answer any questions he knows more about Penn's than I ever will !! It is a 16/0 enjoy !! John Taylor
Yes John, that is #4 and #4 is a Number One in condition. It is not for sale, the owner has many very special reels and loves his collection deeply, so this reel is going on the shelf and I am on the lookout for #5. Sometimes I feel the search is more fun that the ownership................<:O)
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 25, 2017, 06:11:16 AM
Yes John, that is #4 and #4 is a Number One in condition. It is not for sale, the owner has many very special reels and loves his collection deeply, so this reel is going on the shelf and I am on the lookout for #5. Sometimes I feel the search is more fun that the ownership................<:O)
Truth! ;)
I agree with that...the hunt is sometimes better than the catch..... ;D Bill
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 24, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.
Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.
Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.
thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool
Quote from: basto on January 24, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Hi Steelfish
I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto
thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts
Quote from: steelfish on January 26, 2017, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 24, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.
Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.
Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.
thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool
Quote from: basto on January 24, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Hi Steelfish
I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto
thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts
What parts do you need ?? We probably have them here on the forum, so don't wander too far on your parts search.
-Ted
Picked up a piece of history.....a Penn 249....not a very sexy reel, pure knuckle buster...no anti reverse, no drags, plastic spool, fresh water stand stamped 200yds #15.....as simple of a reel as Penn could make, this is a clean example of a non-numbered reel (Wooohooo my second non-numbered reel!!!). But the surprise was the non-insulated copper wire this was spooled with and surprisingly not corroded ....I seem to remember a post where the author spoke of the Army using them to spool communication wire....maybe you could speak up again.....Bill
Ohh yeah, my ebay coffee can 149 showed up too and all the parts are there....wooohooo ;D ;D
Cool reel.
I have one with a waffle clicker, but no yardage-stamped stand.
Not sure about the wire?
Appears to be late 40s/pre1950/post 42. No part numbers second gen. gearbox, handle arm counterbalance style.
Darn it. lol
I still like the reel but was wanting a first gen.
Nothing to be upset about. That is a great find and in superb condition. Pre-1950 4/0's are not easy to find in any condition. -Ted
Reel is in good shape, too bad the price was torn off the box label...but clues are still there....part numbers post 1950, postal code not zip code pre 1963.... but have to figure in Penn would have used all the boxes and labels. Cool buy brother...Bill
I like the smooth side Delmar and yours has no rivets for the clicker ring. A very clean look. Most I've seen have the rivets in the tailplate
That green Ashaway braided nylon on the Delmar was used into the late 60's. The snap swivel looks more like mid 1950's.
-steve
I came across a Box label that is almost a perfect match except it said 250 yds of No.9 instead of just 250 yds. and the price was $8.50 . If you check the price with the catalogs it would put you very close.
Quote from: Superhook on February 18, 2017, 12:52:56 PM
I came across a Box label that is almost a perfect match except it said 250 yds of No.9 instead of just 250 yds. and the price was $8.50 . If you check the price with the catalogs it would put you very close.
Appreciate the info, I actually just ordered a price guide and some catalogs and should be here anyday :)
That's how it's supposed to be. The ring is inset a bit and it gives the plate a more dimensional look and likely strength.
I received my coffee can 149, opened the box and layed all the parts out, knowing it was a gamble on actually getting all the parts...
Surprise...all the parts are there
A quick clean up, found the gear sleeve is stripped, into the parts bin, get a new 98-60 gear sleeve and some cf drag washers
And my coffee can $25 149 is complete and ready to fish.....
Nice find, and good work there!
It is satisfying to make something from a pile of parts. I often find myself wanting to buy 'parts' or 'coffee can' reels just for the fun and challenge of building a 'good as new' reel, despite having no real yse fir the reel :)
John
Nicely done bringing back the No. 149 Bill
Quote from: Benni3 on February 21, 2017, 04:06:20 AM
Got this one today
Benni, that swirl pattern is great.
Sid
Thanks 0.99 + $10.00 for tripping :o
QuoteThanks 0.99 + $10.00 for tripping
You stole it!! A fine example.
I call that the bargain of the year...well done Ben.......Bill
Well I cashed in my aluminum cans to buy this workhorse....$10......couldnt pass up this 320GTI.....gonna crack it open and see whats inside.....the spool is acting funny and the shaft may be bent but not bad enough to lock it up......Bill
Update: bent spool and the pinion is toast too.....so gonna have about $35 total in this now....
Benin,
That's a very cool set of plates on that 80.
...and for $10 it's a homerun.
Dom
Thanks guys,,, most respect :D
Wow, nice 80. Can anyone tell it`s approx date of birth????
Got this one in today
Nice oldie, but it looks like somebody removed the 113 spool & replaced it with a lighter duty longbeach 67 spool.
Nice find. That is the correct spool for a 113 back in the day. Early 50's is my guess on the era of this 113 blackie
$30 for these seven in a box... yes.
209, 9, 302, 808, procaster, millionaire, another baitcaster at five each each...done. And two fav bonus plugs NOS for free.
Quote from: thorhammer on February 24, 2017, 01:09:19 AM
$30 for these seven in a box... yes.
209, 9, 302, 808, procaster, millionaire, another baitcaster at five each each...done. And two fav bonus plugs NOS for free.
Jeesh John, were you looking in the mirror for blue flashing lights as you pulled away from stealing that box of reels ?? :o :o
Dude you need to turn yourself in......thats Grand Theft criteria....hey you should send them my way and I will dispose of the evidence.... in my display case :D :D :D....what a haul brother....good job!! Bill
Nice grab and love the Abu ^:)
Wow!
Thats a deal there!
Great score on that 99 Bill!
Nice Score Bill.....Does this mean that Tony doesn't need to reintroduce the 99 ??....cause I doubt he could compete with that price.. Lol :D :D -Ted
P.S. I love how this thread has turned into how much reel can you get for your money. Keep them coming !!
Nice one Bill. 12$, yeah all day long.
Good find Miser Bill. ;)
Thanks guys....but yes Tony needs to bring back the 99.... might need some parts for this one too.....but then I could always use a new Penn.....99 or 349 or 210.. well let's just say bring'em all back ;D Bill. Ohh John when should I expect your package for proper disposal ::)
it WILL NOT have my 10's and 210's in it....some of my favorites. One of these lifetimes I want to play with the bearings in the 10 and see how close I can get to Abu distances.
If they brought back the old Penns, would`t it devalue all the old originals?????
Guess whats in the box?
Sweet reel brother, your gonna love it....Bill
Thanks Bill. Its a cool little reel. I was surprised to see the leather thumb drag. My dad use to rig up thumb drags on some of his reels, I had no idea they came stock on some reels. lol
Quote from: wailua boy on February 25, 2017, 02:25:06 AM
Thanks Bill. Its a cool little reel. I was surprised to see the leather thumb drag. My dad use to rig up thumb drags on some of his reels, I had no idea they came stock on some reels. lol
That thumb drag did not come stock on that Squidder. The Thumb drag is made by Pflueger and is after-market.
Sid
Thanks for info Sid.
You will probably find you don't need a thumb stall with a squidder. They have a sound drag and the cast control will calm the spool down enough to make it manageable.
-steve
Picked up this Surfmaster for a few bucks-I loved the spool and handle. Feels sound, but it needs a good cleaning. We'll see once I open it up.
Tight lines
-Jason
Nice find. I've been wanting to get into the surfmasters myself.
Dosent look to have part numbers...good find......show us how it cleans up, Bill
Nice reel :)
Very nice piece.
J
As found 113hl
Same reel after a round of nevr-dull and soft cloth
Magic!
Nice Ted, very hard to find those old chrome bars in good condition. Great find.
Sorcery I tell ya! Those reels in that condition ain't easy to come by as we all know.
Nice job,
Dom
Love those chrome bars...nice makeover Ted! 8)
Wow....looks great....gonna get some never dull.....Bill
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 26, 2017, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: steelfish on January 26, 2017, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 24, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.
Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.
Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.
thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool
Quote from: basto on January 24, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Hi Steelfish
I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto
thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts
What parts do you need ?? We probably have them here on the forum, so don't wander too far on your parts search.
-Ted
hmm I totally forgot about this until yesterday that I saw my 3/0 reel and remembered it.
Ted, well lets just say that I have a bone stock 112h reel, so in order to make it narrow as a 2.5 size or maybe as narrow as a 2/0 size, can you tell me what parts do I need by part number?
I pretty sure I need to next parts
- new spool , which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- posts or frame, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- reel seat, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
Quote from: steelfish on March 09, 2017, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 26, 2017, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: steelfish on January 26, 2017, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 24, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.
Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.
Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.
thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool
Quote from: basto on January 24, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Hi Steelfish
I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto
thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts
What parts do you need ?? We probably have them here on the forum, so don't wander too far on your parts search.
-Ted
hmm I totally forgot about this until yesterday that I saw my 3/0 reel and remembered it.
Ted, well lets just say that I have a bone stock 112h reel, so in order to make it narrow as a 2.5 size or maybe as narrow as a 2/0 size, can you tell me what parts do I need by part number?
I pretty sure I need to next parts
- new spool , which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- posts or frame, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- reel seat, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
To convert a 2/0 or 3/0 to a midsize 2.5/0 (99 width), you'll need a long beach 65 spool and lb65 width posts(99, 112H, etc), and a 99 seat.
To convert your 3/0 to a 2/0, you'll need a 111 seat and lb60 spool and posts. -Ted
Ted, he was asking about a 112H not a 112. I don't think much can be done with a 112H model with Penn parts. ??? Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on March 09, 2017, 10:13:09 PM
Ted, he was asking about a 112H not a 112. I don't think much can be done with a 112H model with Penn parts. ??? Rudy
Oops, I missed that part Rudy, thanks for pointing that out.
I believe the 112h is what it is. Unless you can find a comparable spool in a different width.
The only spool that I know of is a wider Tuna Special from Tiburon that they still produce from time to time. I believe Accurate produced an even wider one at one time in the past. The 112H has some slim pickens. Rudy
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 09, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on March 09, 2017, 10:13:09 PM
Ted, he was asking about a 112H not a 112. I don't think much can be done with a 112H model with Penn parts. ??? Rudy
I believe the 112h is what it is. Unless you can find a comparable spool in a different width.
well, the exitement to make my 112h narrow with simple penn parts lasted few hours only :'( :'( :'(
dont worry, I was also in the understanding that a 112h is what it is, the only narrow version that I know its made by accurate, but you need a new frame and spool, not really into droping almost $200 in this reel at this moment.
already have a newell spool, double SS dogs and octagon insert by Keta, so its good for local inshore fisheries
thanks anyway and thanks to Rudy for pointing that out before spending the money on those parts
My favorite charity auction site has been good to me again.....I passed this on to a couple of our collector members here, but they passed, so I placed my bid and won for $13.00 +shipping....from the auction pictures all I could be sure about was the 300 yard stand. The package arrived today and yes it IS a 286, plainly stamped on the head plate, "But Wait, here's More" the original box was included and there was paper inside the box....could it be the original catalogue? Nope, it is the "The Care of Penn Reels", still WAY COOL...unfortunately the inside box is toast and the outer box is coming apart at the edges.....still I'm really pleased, a 1941-42 286 DelMar, The Reel That Shouldn't Exist. This comes with the Rosewood handle, Hexagon clicker button and plastic spool....the head plate has some damage at a bridge screw hole and the collar around the gear sleeve is damaged also.....but as this is destined to the display case....no worries here....Cool Beans at the Redneck Condo tonight, WoooHoooo! ;D Bill
Nice score Bill.
Thanks
Brandon
Whoaaa!
How'd I miss this prize?
Nice work.
I have a 286, and actually had 2 at one time, but never a box. Definately a great addition to a Penn collection.
John
Thanks guys....looking back at the auction no box was mentioned or pictured....just curious anyone have tips on how to repair the box? The box pieces are there, but the top is broken on 3 sides and the bottom has completely broke out....Bill
Good on you Tarfu . That's a $150 combo . Ray
Use woodworking glue that dries clear . Printers padding glue is virtually the same thing .It is water based. All you need to do is wet the torn edges and smooth and hold together one seam at a time. Sometimes setting up with blocks of wood and rubber bands can make it easier to hold . Wipe off excess with a damp cloth and allow to dry. Easy if you take your time. If you use grease proof paper between wood and the box board the glue won't stick to the wood or the grease proof paper ..for an easy clean up.
Nice score Bill,spent more on lunch and it wasn't that good! Sheridan
Quote from: TARFU on March 15, 2017, 01:16:38 AM
Thanks guys....looking back at the auction no box was mentioned or pictured....just curious anyone have tips on how to repair the box? The box pieces are there, but the top is broken on 3 sides and the bottom has completely broke out....Bill
Looks like someone already put tape on the box. kinda late for any restoration once that tape is stuck on.
I've repaired seams by making a small piece of paper into a 90* piece, with about 3/4" flange each way and cut to exact length, then carefully glue it in place on the inside, where it wont be seen. If you have ragged edges on the outside, leave them alone. Messing with those will only cause you grief.
BTW, very nice score Uncle Bill :o :o
-Ted
Would not mess with the ox too much. gluing edges as Superhook aka Aussie Ray says is the most subtle repair. The box is much more rare than the reel. Very good piece, value at $150+.
OOOOHHHH C&@P.....didnt think it was THAT SPECIAL :o...And I thought the Nep-Tuna was a steal...Ted luckily the tape used was painters tape and came off without removing any of the remaining box. I will sleep on the glue repair for a couple weeks before I attempt a repair.....Mike\Ted are there any specific photos you need of this 286 for your research or would you like me to send it to you for a hands on inspection? Bill
Quote.....Mike\Ted are there any specific photos you need of this 286 for your research or would you like me to send it to you for a hands on inspection? Bill
Thanks Bill. No need for inspection. This reel is cut and dry. It is a non-cataloged Penn Delmar 300 yard model. There is no mystery here, just a hard to find reel in a really hard to find box. I have one in a home made box with a copied label. I have had many of the reels and when I sell them I have received from $50 to $100 for the reel alone, depending on who is bidding. The box brings the package to a different level. No telling how much it would sell for if it was presented properly. Sometimes you get two very motivated bidders and the prices can go sky high. Sort of depends how the listing goes.
Or list it for a $250 Buy It Now and see if it sells. You can always go down.
Awesome find! Congrats, beauty of a piece, thats for sure.
Great find Bill!
I found a prewar Penn 155 after digging through a box of reels at a local pawn shop.
A good buy @$10.
:)
That's a deal, like the chocolate handle, and is lt non numbered? Bill
Nice buy John! Judging by that coin edged counter weight and old style handle it's non-numbered alright.
Quote from: TARFU on March 19, 2017, 12:25:42 PM
and is lt non numbered? Bill
Same as saying "pre-war", unless you're talking about WWI... numbers showed up around 1950.
Sid
Bill,
I have no idea how I missed that one, but I'm glad you got it. That package is worth $300 in my opinion on Ebay. I would buy it right now for $150 for sure!
Congrats on your treasure, bud.
Enjoy it,
Dom
Thanks brother Dom....I've been mulling over the box repair....as I will only get one chance at it....just thinking it through....I will keep you in mind if it ever goes "up for sale"...Would want to keep it in the family....Bill
Bill, You have the right idea...Take your time.
Keep me in mind but enjoy your find for now as we're just temporary caretakers of these relics.
All the best,
Dom
Hey Bill, I just wanted to say Superhook's suggestion of light clear drying glue and rubber bands works great for box repairs. I've fixed many this way, on some boxes it is hardly noticeable. As far as taking away value...how can you hurt something that's already in pieces? A seriously damaged box probably isn't really worth much...so having it in one piece can only be an improvement. 8)
This is how my 155 looked when I got it and I put new posts and a stronger stand on it, but it is not as smooth turning and does not have as good a free spool as when in original form.
This also happened with my 259.
Basto
Maybe the left bearing is adjusted to tightly. It should have .005-.010 side play. Did you polish the spool shaft? Rudy
Rudy
I put all the old parts back on my 155 and it is as smooth as could be and with good free spool again.
I remember putting a 500 aluminium spool on my 259 and it did not like it either.
Basto
They say that if you replace a main gear you should replace the pinion too because they wear together to find the path of least resistance. Maybe spools and bearings and stands do the same thing. They have all worn and adjusted themselves to the total reel.
-steve
I believe that when mixing & matching parts from different reels you have to take the time to individualy fit the parts just like when customizing anything. Just bolting together parts might make it work but measuring & fitting each part makes everything run smoother. Just because a part will fit doesn't make it right. If you want to mix & match and have everything running as smooth as possible start blueprinting each individual part. That's what customizing is all about. Shortcutting isn't worth the time & effort. IMO Rudy
Thanks Steve and Rudy for your replies. Words of wisdom for sure.
Basto
I find this frequently. It can get annoying taking a reel apart several times but I usually learn something in each project that escapes the naked eye...I have on on my bench now a coffee can special I banged together, a 68, which Is smooth but would not go out of gear. Thinking the jack tabs may not be proud enough I inspected and figured out there was a 10/60 jack in it which to the eye fits perfectly during assembly. However it doesn't descend enough.
Mo, 10-66 order coming your way!
John
This Coronado is a little bit bigger than the 34
Good find Ben. I'd give it a good soak in vinegar to see what's under all that corrosion. Bill
Very cool old Coronado Ben.
My eyeball tells me that is the 400 yard version. By the looks of it, I'd say the original owner loved to fish it.
Thanks guys,,, ;D
I agree Ted! His left thumb was all over that ring on the left side plate!
This just came in the mail
Benni,
A 1933 Kingfisher /Penn Sea Ford trade reel . Good find.
Ray
Nice pick up. I was the second highest bidder on that one :). Nice to see it go to another member. Are the spool flanges german silver?
The side flanges are nickel plated over German Silver for 1933 & 1934 .
Quote from: BryanC on April 01, 2017, 02:42:54 AM
Nice pick up. I was the second highest bidder on that one :). Nice to see it go to another member. Are the spool flanges german silver?
thanks ray,,, bryan made 1 bid and then fish started biting :-[
Ben, you are on a roll....that's a good find....Bill
Quote from: TARFU on April 01, 2017, 03:26:07 AM
Ben, you are on a roll....that's a good find....Bill
thanks Bill ;D
Nice find. 1933 reels are always a great find for a collection.
Yard sale $25 collecting is a bad habit :)
Friend dropped by with these two 9/0's:
(http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_8566_zpsvajxxmhq.jpg.html)
(http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_8567_zpsdso3rhzk.jpg.html)
That's a cool wood knob. Someone put a lot of work into cleaning them up.
-steve
Andy, your friend has a couple nice 9/0's. The top one is 1937ish, and the bottom one looks to be early Gen 2 from the early 40's. Both are in great condition, especially the early gen 2 reel. Seldom found in that condition. Whenever I see one that nice it makes me wonder how it survived all these years. Thanks for sharing.
-Ted
Steve that knob did not look like wood to me. I could be mistaken. Ted I think you are correct on the vintages. At least that is what my friend said to me. The first gen knob is like a resin or something. It has a swirl in it but not a grain like wood. Any ways the Gen 2 was in spectacular shape. Beautiful old reels.
Andy
Andy, here are the same 2 reels, except the small knob is not resin swirled and has no oil port. The torpedo on this 1941 9/0 is rosewood Steve.
Ted so what is the small knob? Wood?
Andy
Mike or Ray can answer that one Andy
I've had this JM 500 sitting on the shelf for while, a gift from the wife :o. Was surprised to find a chromed bridge, eccentric jack and chromed steel main gear. The spool is red plastic. Need to install carbon fiber drags and ready to fish. Love opening up gifts and finding a sweet surprise inside.....Bill
Andy, did your friend drop them by for service or sold them to you? If he wants them serviced buy him 2 brand new 9/0's and hang onto those. ;) ...love me some 30's and 40's 9/0's!
Ted, thanks for busting out the "showstoppers"... simply beautiful.
Thanks
Dom
History? Born in Philadelphia some time between 1950 and 55. I don't think the handle is original, but I could be wrong. At least through '57 they came with a counterbalanced handle. This model 4/0 (edit: Oops, 6/0) was introduced in '39. Yours has parts numbers, so I know it was born after 1950. It appears to have a three-piece spool, which can explode under the load of heavily-wound monofilament line. The new chromed, cast-bronze spools came out in '56, so I would say yours is an early '50's (50-55) model with a replaced handle. Hopefully, someone who knows for sure will chime in and comment on the handle. Are you going to fish it? They're not at all scarce.
Sid
Thanks Sid
4/0 ? It clearly states 6/0 on the side plate and the handle is 24-114 which I understand to be correct for the reel or am I wrong ?
Regards AC
AC, knowing Sid as I do, expect 4/0 was just a typo. He's a very exacting dude on all things Penn.
Mo, that's a great find. I buy any Penn for $4 just for a part or two....
Thanks Thorhammer any comments on the handle ? Catelin or Rosewood ?
Heck of a score Mo. I'd value this 65 at around $100. Your 65 would be nearly impossible to "upgrade" in a collection. Love the rootbeer knob !! I'd hafta say that I can't rub shoulders with you on this beauty. My guess is not too many collectors have one this nice. Your dad has a good eye !! -Ted
Mo,
Really nice spruce up job on that beauty. Like Ted said, I would say it's near in value to $100 as well... that's because of that handle. You don't see one like that very often if ever.
Well done Mo's dad and well done bringing her back to life.
Keep it up,
Dom
Really nice looking reel,, mo
Nice one Mo. Mike says that tail plate picture is a hard one to find;
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12512.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12512.0)
-steve
Mo, I'll pay you double of what you've spent :)...nice reel, you did really good.
Solid Mo. ;)
Quote from: AC49 on April 03, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
Thanks Sid
4/0 ? It clearly states 6/0 on the side plate and the handle is 24-114 which I understand to be correct for the reel or am I wrong ?
Regards AC
Yes, 6/0 it is. It was a typo, as John suggested :) I've corrected it.
Wow Mo, that's a beaut!
Sid
Thanks for the info Sid.
Can anyone tell me what the handle knob is made of and how to identify the material used.
Thanks
AC
QuoteCan anyone tell me what the handle knob is made of and how to identify the material used.
Most early Penn reel knobs are made from Catalin. Catalin is similar to Bakelite in that the chemical make up is the same. The main different is that Bakelite uses fillers along with the chemical ingredients while Catalin uses no fillers.
Thanks for the info Mike.
Also have a wooden handle on a Senator 114H.
What time period was the wooden handle used ?
Quote from: AC49 on April 05, 2017, 08:25:35 AM
Thanks for the info Mike.
Also have a wooden handle on a Senator 114H.
What time period was the wooden handle used ?
that looks like Bakelite. in any case, disassemble that particular reel and throw everything but the drag washers in a bath of white vinegar for a coulple, rinse, and wipe with Neverdull or at least Penn reel cleaner and you will not believe how clean it will be. that one looks pretty corrosion free. That vintage are beasts.
Thorhammer Bakelite was invented in 1907 and Catalin came around in 1928. True Bakelite was only made in two varying colors: brown and black. It could only be made in these two colors because of the extreme heat it endured while being cured.
Pretty sure the handle knob is wood ....but could be wrong ?
Further info from the net ... Catalin is also a thermoset plastic made of formaldehyde and phenol with no fillers. Therefore it can be restored and reworked (using the right saftey precautions of course). Catalin is usually very colorful. Over time Catalin develops a patina, there is NO white Catalin (unless it has been restored, reworked, or has never seen sunlight). Sunlight causes the Catalin to yellow or "petina". All of the original white Catalin has yellowed over time, and clear to "apple juice", blue to green or teal, purple to brown or tan, while green, orange and red stay about the same. White marbling in marbled pieces will be yellowed. Catalin also shrinks over time, that is why most of the radios have cracks, warping, and the fiberboard on the back no longer fits.
QuoteWhat time period was the wooden handle used ?
That is a loaded question. Penn used wood as a handle knob material from the early1930's into the early 1950's more regularly than after the 1950's. During those years wood was not a high end product. The synthetics were the new, high end materials. As time moved on and wood became more endangered and exotic. Wood became the special material. Penn used Rosewood and zebra wood. Today Zebra wood is protected. So answering that question is almost impossible because Penn used different kinds of wood throughout its history. I would say that as soon as possible, Penn moved away from wood because in truth, wood is not as controllable as a synthetic product and high quality woods are more expensive. Wood is a very imperfect product. Synthetics are more predictable.
Thanks Mike.
As the world renowned Penn expert your opinion and feedback is always greatly appreciated.
Would these type of wooden (I am still presuming) handle knobs be common on the Senator 114-H ?
Regards AC
Ok after looking a bit closer and some spit and polish I am more confused .... it seems white in color ... but not wooden ?
Any help seeing white catalin seems a remote possibility ...?? ??? ??? ???
QuoteThanks Mike.
As the world renowned Penn expert your opinion and feedback is always greatly appreciated.
Would these type of wooden (I am still presuming) handle knobs be common on the Senator 114-H ?
Regards AC
I would never say wood is common; Common is the plastic handle.
QuoteOk after looking a bit closer and some spit and polish I am more confused .... it seems white in color ... but not wooden ?
Any help seeing white catalin seems a remote possibility ...?? Huh? Huh? Huh?
I know that Catalin is not supposed to be made in white, as is discolors; but, I will not speculate anymore. When the opportunity presents itself. I will ask the real world renown Penn expert. I am just a messenger........
I don't think that knob color is out of the question.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-SENATOR-4-0-Deep-Sea-FISHING-REEL-MADE-IN-USA-/192137164862?hash=item2cbc44783e:g:mIIAAOSwzaJX3Wnk (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-SENATOR-4-0-Deep-Sea-FISHING-REEL-MADE-IN-USA-/192137164862?hash=item2cbc44783e:g:mIIAAOSwzaJX3Wnk)
-steve
Some research shows that possibly these handle knobs are made from ABS plastic (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene).
Anyone heard of this substance ??
The 114h is likely 60's or 70's and the knob was originally bright white. ABS and PVC were both commonly used for hard plastic gizmos both then and now. PVC is a little harder than ABS I believe. Coincidentally, white PVC pipe turns that same pinkish color as in the photo with age or prolonged heat.
-steve
Thanks Steve
Appreciate your feedback.
Does the ABS have any obvious changes through prolonged heat etc. ?
AC
They both become more brittle.
-steve
Surprisingly, Bill --
Those old 350 LevelLines really work well to move the line back and forth on the spool -- evening out the line lay.
Most of the parts are plain old Penn White Bread, common parts --
With the exception of the levelline mechanism -- which require specific parts.
And plates and rings.
These parts are possibly beyond rare as NOS, or even used. However, if needed, I have some of the tougher ones.
That looks like an older or early 350 -- so you may want to just clean it up to restored, used condition.
There are a few tell tale signs on that reel that may indicate a early 50's reel -- although parts could have been changed around -- and Mike shows these being produced until the early 80's.
Never caught on too well -- however it performed flawlessly when operated by a good angler.
The LL system reminds me of a watch mechanism -- and is very strong and robust.
Best,
Fred
I'm thinking might be a shelf princess, drags are small for a reel this size (6-155). Depending on what I find inside there maybe an order coming you're way Fred for some parts...I'm kind of diggin the handle with clear yellow...Bill
I just bought my first Penn reel the other day here in Australia for just under $AU30. Nothing fancy just the Delmar 285 with black plastic spool a stuffed box, tool, lube, spare metal spool and sad looking catalogue. The reel looks and works great so I'm very happy. Looking forward to buy more older Penn reels even though I'm an ABU person.
Thats a nice reel now your hooked ;D
Privateone, can you post some pictures of your find? We like pictures and would help date you reel. The 285 is a capable reel and will last a lifetime....Bill
Quote from: TARFU on April 14, 2017, 10:43:07 PM
I'm thinking might be a shelf princess, drags are small for a reel this size (6-155). Depending on what I find inside there maybe an order coming you're way Fred for some parts...I'm kind of diggin the handle with clear yellow...Bill
Bill, pillaged one of 350's for some parts so I've the level-line bits, yours if you need it.
Thanks John...let me open this one up and see what's inside...Bill
Np. I think I swiped gears dog etc but the worm and plates are all you.
That would be great John...I'll pm my address again, and finally get the "dog whistles" in the mail going your way....Bill
Holy smokes :o.....my favorite on-line charity site payed off again.....a Surfmaster 100....$12.....gonna need a bigger display case, cuz this one is gonna get fished and displace something else.... ;D Bill
Nice reel and I bet you got a nice collection :)
Score!!!!
A 100 Surfy for 12 bucks?...excellent score Bill!! 8)
looking through the photos posted realised a work colleague gave me a rod and reel..just checked and its a Penn reel bolted onto the rod.. don't know the name of the Penn reel but if anyone knows it please let me know or history if possible..reel is in need of a clean as well a service with no a/r present.
(http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/fumoro2/media/1_zpsi2mear8o.jpg.html)
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Nice old Penn 85 -- sometimes referred to as the "Seaboy".
Good restoration project --
If parts are needed, might have some for your reel.
Best,
Fred
The 85 and 285 were probably Penn's biggest sellers over the years. They were the same dimensions as a Long Beach 60. They differed from the Long Beach in finish mostly - no trim rings, non-chromed parts (85), plastic vs. chromed brass spools, different handles and handle-fastening hardware (85 again, cheaper slotted screw handle nut, not scalloped). The guts are the same as the LB60. There is no shortage of used 85s or 285s in the world....
Sid
Thank you so much..appreciate the time and effort
what a beautiful reel as per your collection pictures.
with time on my hands between work will give restoration project a real go..learnt from a similar old Daiwa sometime ago that the bars are not the easiest to reassemble when reel is stripped haha.
im excited and will have a look see at the schematics of the reel which i think should still be available,
Regards
Quote from: El Guapo on April 19, 2017, 05:29:59 PM
im excited and will have a look see at the schematics of the reel which i think should still be available,
Here http://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/85.pdf (http://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/85.pdf)
Sid
These aren't antiques, but still deserving of a spot on a shelf IMO.
The eBay seller described the 2/0 as "shows signs of normal use" LOL, that was a lie, but I decided not to ask for a refund since it was only $40.50 total, and the poor description & pics worked in my favor for once !!!
The 3/0 was a few bucks more. I'm not in the buying mode, but just cant pass on a bargain.
-Ted
Beautiful reels brother....Bill
Was that a recent buy Ted? Lately I haven't been able to find much of interest on eBay...I must be poppin' in after Ted makes a swath...HA! :D
Ted has an amazing eye for the reels that look like crud, but it's just caked on oil/ grease and gunk. He take a towel and makes them new again.
Beautiful reels, Ted
Dom
Quote from: mo65 on May 02, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Was that a recent buy Ted? Lately I haven't been able to find much of interest on eBay...I must be poppin' in after Ted makes a swath...HA! :D
If you're not finding good deals on eBay, then you ain't looking hard enough. Most the reels I get from eBay are auction format and if a reel goes beyond my price point, I'll let someone else have it and wait for another to come along.
Here are just a few that came from eBay in the last 2 months. Average price for this group is about $43 each, even the anniversary reel.....Actually have exactly $30.50 total into that one......Yep, you're right Mo, no deals on eBay if you're waiting for one to fall in your lap. The best reels are the ones you gotta search for. ;D ;D
-Ted
Just came in $.99+6.95 shipping a piece 309and500 if I really wanted one of these reels,,,,then there hard to come by
Quote from: Benni3 on May 09, 2017, 03:40:27 AM
Just came in $.99+6.95 shipping a piece 309and500 if I really wanted one of these reels,,,,then there hard to come by
What kind of secret search criteria did you use to find those?? :o :o :o
Ben you better check outside your window the police may be coming.....because you stole those :o :o......Good job brother....Bill
Quote from: Decker on May 09, 2017, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: Benni3 on May 09, 2017, 03:40:27 AM
Just came in $.99+6.95 shipping a piece 309and500 if I really wanted one of these reels,,,,then there hard to come by
What kind of secret search criteria did you use to find those?? :o :o :o
This is something I've been wondering about...as my brother and I seem to get totally different reels in our searches. He'll send me a link to something I never even saw in my search, and vise versa. Killer deal Benni3! 8)
Thank guys and I love your posts ,,,,here the trick bid on 5 or 10 reels at the same time ..low ball...if you really want it the last 10sec go big ,,,,,and mo I know you want a 9/0 look at Florida's Craigslist and pawn shops on line in Florida
Quote from: Benni3 on May 10, 2017, 02:57:35 AMmo I know you want a 9/0 look at Florida's Craigslist and pawn shops on line in Florida
There certainly is no shortage of 115s out there. Mike, what are you looking for? If you end up finding one near me in Palm Beach County I'd happily pick it up and ship it out to you.
Sid
Oh and i go to 'vintage penn reels' by ending and just listed
Quote from: sdlehr on May 10, 2017, 04:07:34 AM
Quote from: Benni3 on May 10, 2017, 02:57:35 AMmo I know you want a 9/0 look at Florida's Craigslist and pawn shops on line in Florida
There certainly is no shortage of 115s out there. Mike, what are you looking for? If you end up finding one near me in Palm Beach County I'd happily pick it up and ship it out to you.
Sid
Thanks guys. You're right...there are lots around...I'm just looking for that ridiculously cheap one...LOL!! ;D
I keep thinking about buying a Penn 4/0 just because I can. I wanted one badly as a teen but had to make do with a hand-me-down Olympic. The shame of it all.
-steve
QuoteI keep thinking about buying a Penn 4/0 just because I can. I wanted one badly as a teen but had to make do with a hand-me-down Olympic. The shame of it all.
-steve
That's funny Steve. I have a entire collection of reels that I own because I can. When I was a kid I felt special just being able to have a Penn 155 with a matching surf rod. Things were a little tight in the 1950's.
Hi All
Just got hold of a Penn Jig-Master 500 with a Bakelite narrow spool.
Some part numbers:
Handle 24-49
Stand 30-49
Non-handle side bearing 40-60
Handle screw 23-60
Star drag wheel 10-60
Spool = 43.3mm or 1.7inches
Was wondering if anyone could help with any info on the reel. What I have found is the narrow Jigmaster is the 501- is that on the sideplates ?
As per reel schematics the "Fine tooth star drag, older reels take a 10-60".
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Regards AC49
AC,
I'm no reel geek, but a Jigmaster 501 (narrow) is the same as a Jigmaster 500, except for the width of the bars (or posts), stand, and spool. My understanding is that Penn sold conversion kits so that 500 owners could convert their reel to a 501.. There are many 501-width reels with 500 sideplates. This site is chock-full of information on Jigmaster repairs and upgrades!
/Joe
Quote from: AC49 on May 24, 2017, 03:09:42 PM
As per reel schematics the "Fine tooth star drag, older reels take a 10-60".
Any info would be greatly appreciated.two
Regards AC49
Not sure what you're asking, but there were two gear sleeve/star combinations, the coarse thread and the fine thread. The only difference between the two is how many turns of the star are needed to change drag adjustment, the fine tooth requiring more...
Sid
QuoteMy understanding is that Penn sold conversion kits so that 500 owners could convert their reel to a 501..
I do not believe so. The Model 501 is introduced in 1965 in Catalog #27 as a new model, not a kit. Because they are simply a narrowed Model 500, having 501 bars, spool and stand will enable you to convert a Model 500 to a 501 frame; but, the reel will not have the correct logo on the head plate ruining its collector value. When ever you are buying one used, you should check to see if it is an original 501 or a converted 500. Converted reels sell for less than originals.
The 10-60 drag star. I thought that'ed be the part number for the coarse thread star found on the older ones. Or, is the part # the same for both coarse and fine thread, and you just name it as one or the other?
Gfish
Thanks for all the feedback.
What I'm trying to determine is whether there was ever a Penn 500 narrow spool version with a narrow Bakelite spool of about 1.7 inches ?
Or do I have a Penn 500 with 501 stand and 501 posts 37-180 ?
Quote
What I'm trying to determine is whether there was ever a Penn 500 narrow spool version with a narrow Bakelite spool of about 1.7 inches ?
Or do I have a Penn 500 with 501 stand and 501 posts 37-180 ?
The first version of the Penn 501 was offered with a metal or a plastic spool. If your reel has 180 posts, with a narrow 1.7 spool but it has a logo reading 500, then you have a converted reel and that conversion was done outside of the factory.
QuoteInsert Quote
The 10-60 drag star. I thought that'ed be the part number for the coarse thread star found on the older ones. Or, is the part # the same for both coarse and fine thread, and you just name it as one or the other?
Gfish
Sleeve for a standard Penn 500 Jigmaster is a course thread #98-60 using a Penn Long Beach Star Wheel #10-60.
Sleeve for a High Speed Jigmaster 505 is a fine thread #98-505 using a 10-505 Star Wheel
These sleeves and wheels are interchangeable for any Jigmaster. I believe.
Thanks Mike for clearing that up.
Just checking other spools from a Penn 500A that I have and found that the spool is a 29-250 on the reel as well as the new spare spool in the box. Scott's Bait & Tackle only mention fitting the 250 and 259 model ??
Can a 29-250 spool originate from the Penn 500A ?
Regards
AC49
I believe that spool came from a Surfmaster 250. They are the same width, just different gearing.
Daron is correct. The spool originates with the Surfmaster 250, hence the Part Number. It will fit the Surfmaster 250, the Live Bait Caster 259 and a Jigmaster 500.
The 500A box is an Export model. The "A" stands for Africa. The Jigmaster's that were sent to South Africa were numbered 500A's; but, only on the box. The reels were plain Jigmaster 500's.
Thanks Daron and Mike.
So the 29-250 spool originates with the Surfmaster 250 but FITS the 259 and Jigmaster 500. Does this mean the 29-250 spool didn't ever come out standard with the Jigmaster 500. Reason I'm asking is that the box, reel, spare spool and catalog 26B from 1964 all "seem" original based on way everything was kept from the owner. I know this can be misleading sometimes ..... just asking ?
Appreciate the feedback.
AC49
AC, to the best of my knowledge, the 250 and 259 both pre-date the 500 (the 259 was discontinued and the 500 was introduced)....therefore in keeping with Penn's penchant to keep things simple, they may have just continued making the 29-250 spool (and 29-250 markings) and putting them in the 500. Bill
I have been wanting one of these penn edsel reels for a long time $.99+4.26 shipping ;D
I'd take that all day long.....good pick brother....Bill
Thanks,,,bill
QuoteI have been wanting one of these penn edsel reels for a long time $.99+4.26 shipping Grin
That's not the Penn Edsel, this is............... :D
What the heck. Was that thing ever in the catalogs Mike? Same time frame as the greenie spinfisher?
-steve
There are 3 or 4 of these at Penn Headquarters -- in their glass case.
I assume the others -- 410 & 430 are the other colors -- blue, red, and maybe gold?
Tony said these were very rare -- and high quality.
Best,
Fred
Very nice,,,you don't see them floating around :)
I just wrote an article for the Reel News about these reels. I call them the Un-Penn reels. They were a complicated partnership between Penn and Daiwa. not enough room here to explain the whole story. They were very high quality closed face spinning reels. They were made in the early sixties. The story about these reels reads like a Soap Opera. The four at the factory are the last ones in the hands of Penn, one of those factory reels is a special color. Basically it should not exist; but, you guys know Penn, they break the rules all the time.
I think I might have a candidate for a penn Edsel. A 2 speed baitcaster with mag cast control flipping switch even has a window on the front to show the position of the line guide. Don't think this reel ever caught on, must be a ton of tiny parts inside, I'd imagine servicing it would be a chore. I haven't used it so I'm not sure how well it works, might have to give it a try.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 27, 2017, 05:17:39 AM
I just wrote an article for the Reel News about these reels.
Looking forward to that issue, Mike! I'm about half way through "The History of the Fishing Reel", which for those that don't know is a selection of Reel News articles from the first 15 years of ORCA. If you're interested in fishing reel history and how the mechanics evolved over the years, this is a good very resource. It's available from Whitefish Press, the same publisher of Mike's Penn books.
Sid
QuoteLooking forward to that issue, Mike! I'm about half way through "The History of the Fishing Reel", which for those that don't know is a selection of Reel News articles from the first 15 years of ORCA. If you're interested in fishing reel history and how the mechanics evolved over the years, this is a good very resource. It's available from Whitefish Press, the same publisher of Mike's Penn books.
My contribution to that work is from page 34 to 38, the restoration story of the Edward vom Hofe, Commander Ross 14/0, photos and actual restoration done by Ray Hodges. There is an endless amount of information in that book.
The Penn closed face spinning article will be in the Reel News Magazine, July issue. Loaded with new discovery information about that particular series of reels.
There just happens to be two of these reels for sale on EBay as we speak.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262959033245?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/282476592263?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
These do not come up for sale that often.
I meet this guy last year who rebuilt 70's and 80's zebco 808 for cat fishing ,,,the new one don't have the quality is there still a market for this? and can penn make a abumatic? ::)
Santa came today with the elusive 350
Good job on the 350....I serviced one for a friend and liked it so much had to get my own...then John (ThorHammer) came to the rescue with a nice level wind bar.....Wait until you open it up...looks complicated but was a breeze to service...Bill
Thanks bill :D
Quote from: TARFU on June 03, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
Good job on the 350....I serviced one for a friend and liked it so much had to get my own...then John (ThorHammer) came to the rescue with a nice level wind bar.....Wait until you open it up...looks complicated but was a breeze to service...Bill
The level wind mechanism is pretty simple in this reel actually, just 4 or 5 moving parts, but when I did my first one I was amazed at the design. It isn't hard to see how watchmakers were the first reel makers.
Sid
Re-assembly tip....you can assemble the reel without the spiral bar in place, then remove the tension bearing/nut and insert the bar...you will have to crank the reel to get the bar to completely seat.....Bill
The problem with these reels is that the level line bar must be high on the frame to work. The line rubs on the bar when casting and creates a lot of fiction.
-steve
Who uses a Penn 350, and how do you use it? Bottom fishing? I imagine with a 3:1 gear ratio, you wouldn't want to fish too deep.
Quote from: Benni3 on June 06, 2017, 05:30:05 AM
I'm sure the maroon side plate didn't belong there?,,but the corrosion looks consistently bad :)
Penn often did special orders of non-matching side plates for pier rental outfits that wanted to be able to recognize their rented reels from a distance. This is probably what you have.
Sid
That one's a bit rough but put it all in a white vinegar bath and see what you have left. If still crappy I'd snag a decent maroon 9 off the Bay for cheap (because the parts will be period correct like chrome or SS spool and amber handle) and swap it out with your plates. I have a box of 8 disassembled 9's that I will get around to putting something decent eventually. Love those, have a couple dozen.
John
I would think this is a Penn 9 that was repaired years down the road after the Green Monofils. The green parts did not last long, so if your 1955 green Penn 9 needed a side plate in 1972, it would get replaced with a more modern color like maroon or black. The only Colormatic reel that was ordered from Penn with different side plate color, that I know of, was the 209 because it was a popular Party Boat aka Head Boat reel.
Quote from: sdlehr on June 06, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
Penn often did special orders of non-matching side plates for pier rental outfits that wanted to be able to recognize their rented reels from a distance. This is probably what you have.
Sid
Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 06, 2017, 02:32:46 PM
I would think this is a Penn 9 that was repaired years down the road after the Green Monofils. The green parts did not last long, so if your 1955 green Penn 9 needed a side plate in 1972, it would get replaced with a more modern color like maroon or black. The only Colormatic reel that was ordered from Penn with different side plate color, that I know of, was the 209 because it was a popular Party Boat aka Head Boat reel.
I defer to Mike's expertise. Forget what I wrote, it's a 9, not a 209.
Sid
I saw that on etsy...nice grab.
You guys are amazing and the members here on Alan tani are incredible,,,thanks again for your help.
1954 Penn introduced the monofil. It was simply a 155 with a different label. The intention was to scoop up the market for new monofilament line. The owner of this grey monofil obviously wasn't ready to switch from linen to mono.....and after a quick wipedown I have also concluded the original owner did not fish very much. ;) ;)
It had Ashaway brand braided nylon line.
-steve
wow beautiful one there Ted!
Ted, I don't know how you do it. Again and again.
That's a very clean reel,,,good job
wow....
:o What a find! Thanks for sharing that beauty with us.
QuoteAnyone have the second 1937 paper they want to part with?
It is in the 1937 Chapter in the Blue Book, page 49 & 50. If you want, I can email you a good scan of it.
Nice find on the early Model 115! Not too many left I would think.
Mike,
Thanks, you already sent me a scan. I'm looking for an original.
Fantastic find Brian !!!
Very few of these boxes have survived and you got the full meal deal which is about as rare as a unicorn.
it's fun to speculate about what it was like to be a part of Penn Fishing Tackle during the 1940's.
fishing is still the best cure i have found for anxiety, and what better time for a great story to get even better. big game fishing was booming in the late 1930's, still a rich mans sport of course which Mr. Henze was wise to recognize.
I would imagine with the instant market success of the 16/0, Penn began investing more heavily into deeper production runs of 16/0 specific parts in the early 40's.
In other words
perhaps they were building up their stock while also scaling the advertising exposure ALA the 1942 Field and Stream ad.
But then of course plans were foiled, leaving the firm with a greater supply than the market would consume in the short term.
The new demands from the Govt. probably rendered whatever inventory management system they had in place at the time useless.
Probably had everything organized all nice and neat (think F. Oakes shop lol), constantly optimizing to build reels more efficiently,
and then had to re-engineer their operating procedures including inventory storage and handling in order to meet the newly gifted responsibilities of helping the country in a new way.
And since they still weren't even numbering their parts, maybe things got a little messy until the dust settled.
Whatever the specifics of the time, this one still managed to find its way into the market, precisely when => ??? ???
thanks,
Jay Grob
Wow, now that is one sweet 1940's 16/0. Definitely drool worthy.
-Ted
Wow...love that reel fishgrain...she's a beaut! 8)
Georgeous, Jay!
Very nice reel.
Brian,
I'm not sure how you do it, but you seem to unearth some of the most amazing examples of Penn reels. Thanks for showing that relic and the Penn paper... those are near impossible to find for some of us. ;)
Nice find,
Dom
Great finds Brian and Jay.
The Senator will always be my favorite. ;)
Here's my first 190 and unnumbered. I don't recall hearing too much about this reel.
WOW, I'm thinking you have some kind of time portal in the basement that allows you to go back and find this stuff. Just WOW
I have had the rod for 5 or 6 years but got the reel less than a year ago and I though they would go together nicely.
That's one of the nicest if not the nicest first gen 12/0's I've seen. Don't spool it, as much of the beauty is in the spool.
That rod is a sweet one, too!
Nice stuff,
Dom
Now that's a nice set up and your going have fun fishing with it :D
Quote from: 54bullseye on July 21, 2017, 12:04:50 AM
I have had the rod for 5 or 6 years but got the reel less than a year ago and I though they would go together nicely.
Super rare first year 12/0 would be a sin to fish in my opinion.
I have to agree,
As much as I like to fish big Senators.
You don't realize what this one is worth in that condition.
That is really something special John. But, where-in-the-heck did you find that much linen? I have a hunch you're not intending to take it fishing.
-steve
That's a sweet combo. I wish I had that handle for my first gen 12/0.
I think they look neat with line on but I will not fish this one ! I will fill it up with dacron then put a half inch of linen on top. This is the only early Senator I have but would love to find more. John
Very nice set John.
Very impressive John. Not many of those early 12/0's around. There is a double tell concerning the early 12/0's. The handle style is the most obvious. That handle is just plain rare, in the real sense. Penn put that handle on the 12/0 for a very short time. Maybe a bit over a year and then switched to the Torpedo handle. So the actual use and production was limited. That is a fact. I also feel that most people that owned 12/0's with that straight handle at the time did not like the straight handle and changed their reels over to Torpedo handles, even further limiting the amount of reels with those handles and condemning most of the original handles to the dust bin or the garbage pail. You are more likely to find that straight handle on a smaller reel or an off brand reel than on a Penn 12/0.
I have a friend that found one on a old smaller than 12/0 Ocean City reel at a show. He told the seller he did not want the reel; but, would give him $25 for the handle. The seller agreed and he now has the handle on the incorrect first gen 12/0.
Which brings me to the second tell. True 12/0 firsts have no front lugs, which makes them very difficult to restore when the plates or inner rings are damaged.
That rig you have is a great find. I would never put line on it. The rod is also a great old piece. I find the Alan guides very interesting. Have them on one rod.
Returned to this thread to see stuff about the Seaboy-190 on page 27. Ah well, somethin like this gives me insight as to why the ladies complain about male behavior and also why my neck hurts alla time(lookin at all the diffrent women makes my head spin around from one to the other, just like Howdy Dudy). Rods/reels are not women, as are not fancy cars, but there's some kinda comparetive thing, and this really is one beautiful Senator combo. I hope ta fish with somethin like that someday soon. Back in the day, if I's alive then(30's-40's), for sure, I'da saved up awhile and bought somethin like a 190 and felt good about havin a serious ocean rig - a Penn.
Gfish
Okay I have canned the line idea !!! She stays naked ! I just think they display nice with line. I like the rod as well as the reel they are a hard find in decent shape especially the all rollers !! I see way more decent Tycoon rods than Montague's ! Thanks for the replies ! John Taylor
QuoteOkay I have canned the line idea !!! She stays naked ! I just think they display nice with line. I like the rod as well as the reel they are a hard find in decent shape especially the all rollers !! I see way more decent Tycoon rods than Montague's ! Thanks for the replies ! John Taylor
I agree about the display, especially the linen line. It adds to the character for most reels except for big game Penn reels with three piece spools. The spool becomes part of the vintage aspect of the reel. Most people that know Penn big game reels 10/0 and over expect the reel to have a one piece bronze spool. The three piece spool is a key part of the reel's vintage, so I like the spool to be seen. Simply a matter of preference, eye of the beholder kind of thing.
You have a point about the Tycoon rods. I feel the opportunity to buy an old wood Tycoon rod is easy, not cheap, but easy. Finding a good quality big game Montague is hard and a split cane big game Pflueger is even harder. I guess big game fisherman always gravitate toward quality and the Tycoon has the reputation of being the best. I know the price difference between a Penn Senator and a Fin-Nor was massive but I am not too sure about the price difference between a Tycoon big game rod and others in the same marketplace of the same era. If that price difference is small, then the Tycoon rods will always win and be more plentiful. Seen many Penn Senators mounted to Tycoon rods in old pictures.
A double built rod ain't too shabby regardless of the maker. My understanding is that it is a six-piece bamboo hexagon inside another bamboo hexagon. The wall of a bamboo culm is not thick enough to make a solid big game rod without using two layers. Sounds like more than twice the work. That particular Montague is good looking and well preserved. It's a miracle the leather foregrip is in such good shape. The hardware looks first class too.
-steve
I came to like the Montague rods from the Ocean City cradles. I bought this one with a rough 612 Ocean City reel on it from an antique shop in Conn. for cheap money $350 for rod and reel and I sold reel on ebay for over $200 so it was a good investment ! I have a Big Game Single also but it's not in as good of shape. The small ones are what I can't find !! My smallest Montague fits the 806 cradle and is like new but I have never seen one to fit the 804 4/0 cradle not even in poor shape so if any one ever sees a 4/0 size Montague bamboo or fiberglass tip please let me know. The big fiberglass Montague's are really nice also and not cheap !! There was a real big one on Ebay a few years ago that I really wanted that was in mint shape all original and it was at around $300 when I was headed for bed so I figured if I bid $750 I would own it !! Wrong !! Two other bidders got at it for over $1000 !!
And Steve your right about the grip on this rod it is about the best I have seen as most look like people have rested them on the gunwale of a boat a thousand times then cleaned and either oiled or varnished them up and they show a lot of wear. Not sure exactly how they are made or if it's leather or some type of cork / rubber combination ? John T.
Very nice reel ,,,,my dad likes to use #9 on the lake :)
My name is Joe, and I'm a Penn-aholic.
Relax Joe, you are among friends with the same affliction. It's very serious, that's why we have to meet daily for discussions. ;D ;D Rudy
OK...question...why isn't this thread stickied? 29 pages should qualify it. There is some great reading in this one. 8)
You got it Mo,
Daron
Quote from: mo65 on July 25, 2017, 02:22:09 PM
OK...question...why isn't this thread stickied? 29 pages should qualify it. There is some great reading in this one. 8)
You got it Mo,
Daron
Thanks Daron.
Even the blind hog gets an acorn now and then. This 259 Live Bait Caster is just as I found it for 30 bucks shipped. I feel like I should apologize or something...;D
Boy it looks like new !! Nice find and nice price !! John Taylor
Nice. What do ya' think? '55ish?
-steve
Sweet reel Mo always sweeter when the price is right
Nice reel,,,I like that green knob
Hey brother if you find yourself not sleeping well at night, just send it my way.... I'll sleep just fine with that in the display case...good pick Bill
Good looking reel. Great buy.
Quote from: oc1 on July 30, 2017, 12:58:04 AM
Nice. What do ya' think? '55ish?
-steve
I can't really say Steve. The best I can narrow it to is early 50s-59 just by the numbered parts.
I wish there was a way to know which ones used those pesky narrow gear sleeve posts. Seems like every time I wanna beef up one of these things it has that darn bridge post that won't work with modern ss sleeves. Other than that little pitfall I really like these 259s. 8)
Nice score once again Mo.....AKA Mojo :D :D.... You are on a roll and no reason to stop now !!
The tongue on the seat looks to be more squared shape and not tapered as much as the later version. That dates your nice 259 to 1950-55. The cool green/yellowish swirled knob seems to also be a early 50's thing (IMHO)
-Ted
Ted or Mo, or whoever, do you know what year the knob went from a football to a torpedo? Also, did it happen all at once and in all models? That would be handy thing to know.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on August 02, 2017, 08:28:46 AM
Ted or Mo, or whoever, do you know what year the knob went from a football to a torpedo? Also, did it happen all at once and in all models? That would be handy thing to know.
-steve
First off...holy buckets Jay! :o That reel looks great! Steve's question is one I've pondered myself. Like so many things Penn though...they never wasted anything. Older parts stocks were always used, so there was a lot of spillover. I'd have to guess early 50s as the transition time.
Quote from: oc1 on August 02, 2017, 08:28:46 AM
Ted or Mo, or whoever, do you know what year the knob went from a football to a torpedo? Also, did it happen all at once and in all models? That would be handy thing to know.
-steve
I spent just a few minutes with Mike C's latest yellow "Documentary History of Penn Reels", but the lines between football and torpedo blur a little. In 1948 all the grasps in the catalog are pretty much of two types - the football-shaped and the long, thin grasp typical of earlier times and first made of wood. Then in 1949 there were some differences; for instance, the Long Beaches 66 and up had torpedo type, and the 65 and down had a shorter, squatter football type of grasp (p 159). Looking at the 1949 catalog one can see a wide variety of handle shapes on the different reel models, some longer and thinner, some shorter and squatter, some clearly football-shaped, others not so much. I think this was the transition year and there were lots of different shapes to look at. Perhaps Mike will post some pics from his book; I do not wish to copy his stuff here.
Sid
QuoteI spent just a few minutes with Mike C's latest yellow "Documentary History of Penn Reels", but the lines between football and torpedo blur a little. In 1948 all the grasps in the catalog are pretty much of two types - the football-shaped and the long, thin grasp typical of earlier times and first made of wood. Then in 1949 there were some differences; for instance, the Long Beaches 66 and up had torpedo type, and the 65 and down had a shorter, squatter football type of grasp (p 159). Looking at the 1949 catalog one can see a wide variety of handle shapes on the different reel models, some longer and thinner, some shorter and squatter, some clearly football-shaped, others not so much. I think this was the transition year and there were lots of different shapes to look at. Perhaps Mike will post some pics from his book; I do not wish to copy his stuff here.
Sid you are welcome to copy anything you like from my books to here. No problem. Simply saying you material is copied from my book is good enough credit for me.
As for handle styles, I suspect nailing down a historical flow by using the shape of a handle knob is very vague. The handle knob styles do display different eras; but, I feel the super early 1930's and 40's styles were a continuous experimental flow rather than a set style for a particular year. I feel there is more historical exactness by judging the counterweight style than the handle style. But that is just my opinion.
When I first started collecting Penn reels there was an old timer (RIP) that used to tell me that at the early Penn plant, there was a lady that turns the handle knobs, she was affectionately known as the "Handle Lady". This is Penn folklore and may not be fact, depending on her mood or the day of the week or how the sun lined up with a particular star was what determined how she would shape the handles on the day. Hence, early Penn handle knobs may be round, pointy, stubby, fat or simply as expected. it all is dependent on the mood of the "Handle Lady".....<:O)
Beautiful Jay.
Thank you very much for the knob info. Should have known it could not be that easy. The handle lady must have become set in her ways because once they started to look like the modern torpedo with a groove near the tip they seemed to stay exactly the same for a couple of decades.
-steve
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 02, 2017, 04:31:05 PM
When I first started collecting Penn reels there was an old timer (RIP) that used to tell me that at the early Penn plant, there was a lady that turns the handle knobs, she was affectionately known as the "Handle Lady".
Wait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were
turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
I always figured they were cast like the plates. :o
Quote from: mo65 on August 02, 2017, 08:48:39 PM
Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
I always figured they were cast like the plates. :o
Me too!
All of a sudden I'm in love with a woman I never met that was most likely born over a century ago. :-* :-*
.......The handle lady
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 02, 2017, 11:03:24 PM
All of a sudden I'm in love with a woman I never met that was most likely born over a century ago. :-* :-*
.......The handle lady
Don't tell Lou. He's a happily married man.
Well, I tried being logical. The family and I escaped the building boom and no-go traffic of Seattle and made our annual meca to Long Beach Washington where we visited an antique mall. I must have looked at these 4/0 Senators ten times and walked away telling myself I just don't need more fishing reels, even at $20.00 a piece. When I mentioned it to my wife who's wondered why I have so many already she told me if I liked them go ahead! So, they're not particularly old or stock, but I seem to have an unnatural attraction to Penn Power Handles and it just seemed a shame to leave them there.They'll get the vinegar bath eventually, but for now they're safe at home.
Cool find :D
Great buy 49Freak...those convertible handles alone are worth what you paid. 8)
QuoteGreat buy 49Freak...those convertible handles alone are worth what you paid
Agreed. I pay $15 to $20 for those handles.
I'm pretty happy with the deal and even tried to mentally justify the purchase thinking of the going price of the handles and the reels themselves. At the end of the day I know I'll probably never sell anything so that argument doesn't hold much water either. ::)
nice. agreed on the handles
QuoteWait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
I always figured they were cast like the plates. Shocked
I have asked a former Penn CEO about the machined verse molded or cast handle knobs and I seemed to have opened a can of worms. He cannot remember exactly whether the handle knobs were machined or not. He believes some had machine marks on them. I feel they were turned. Anyways, here is his response. As more info comes in I will pass it on.
""""Mike, I've done some asking around and don't have a definitive answer. However when we closed down the spinning reel plant in Hegins pa there were a couple of 55 gallon drum's of handle knobs that we're very early and I grabbed a few handfuls of them. I'm gonna dig them out of the box when I get some time in a couple weeks and we should be able to see machine marks because these I remember had some machining marks
"""""
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 08, 2017, 07:14:34 AM
QuoteWait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
I always figured they were cast like the plates. Shocked
I have asked a former Penn CEO about the machined verse molded or cast handle knobs and I seemed to have opened a can of worms. He cannot remember exactly whether the handle knobs were machined or not. He believes some had machine marks on them. I feel they were turned. Anyways, here is his response. As more info comes in I will pass it on.
""""Mike, I've done some asking around and don't have a definitive answer. However when we closed down the spinning reel plant in Hegins pa there were a couple of 55 gallon drum's of handle knobs that we're very early and I grabbed a few handfuls of them. I'm gonna dig them out of the box when I get some time in a couple weeks and we should be able to see machine marks because these I remember had some machining marks
"""""
Interesting information Mike, one of those 55 gallon drum's could make you retire ;D.
Thanks for your continuous hard work, always trying to get to the bottom of it.
It's very much appreciated.
Sal
Wow, I'm surprised, I thought those were purchased molded from the supplier... look at how similar other manufacturers' handle grasps are.... just ask Lou how much work it would be to turn one of those. That's crazy, but it was in the days when materials were more expensive than labor.... but I'm still dubious. I will now go to my collection with a magnifying glass to look for machining marks.
I suspect the total answer to this question will be that both answers are correct. Depending what time in Penn history we are talking about.
Quote
Wait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
I always figured they were cast like the plates. Shocked
I have asked a former Penn CEO about the machined verse molded or cast handle knobs and I seemed to have opened a can of worms. He cannot remember exactly whether the handle knobs were machined or not. He believes some had machine marks on them. I feel they were turned. Anyways, here is his response. As more info comes in I will pass it on.
""""Mike, I've done some asking around and don't have a definitive answer. However when we closed down the spinning reel plant in Hegins pa there were a couple of 55 gallon drum's of handle knobs that we're very early and I grabbed a few handfuls of them. I'm gonna dig them out of the box when I get some time in a couple weeks and we should be able to see machine marks because these I remember had some machining marks
"""""
Interesting information Mike, one of those 55 gallon drum's could make you retire Grin.
Thanks for your continuous hard work, always trying to get to the bottom of it.
It's very much appreciated.
Sal
Posted on: August 07, 2017
Ha, what is going to make me retire is my bad knees.. :)
Funny how such a simple question can cause investigation and research.
I find no evidence of machine marks on the polished surface, but the grooves have a different, unpolished finish, so it would appear that either they weren't molded, or perhaps they were molded but the easier to polish surface of the knob was polished and the groove was not, so I'm afraid I'm not adding much to this. As a side note, while I was looking with magnification I noticed a seam on the metal sleeve on the handle for the first time. I thought those were tubes, not rolled. Wrong again!
QuoteI find no evidence of machine marks on the polished surface, but the grooves have a different, unpolished finish, so it would appear that either they weren't molded, or perhaps they were molded but the easier to polish surface of the knob was polished and the groove was not, so I'm afraid I'm not adding much to this. As a side note, while I was looking with magnification I noticed a seam on the metal sleeve on the handle for the first time. I thought those were tubes, not rolled. Wrong again!
Never worry about being wrong. Every time you give an opinion, that possibility always exists. It simply places you in the category of being human.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 08, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
Funny how such a simple question can cause investigation and research.
I can smell the smoke from here ;D
They may have been molded and then burnished by hand.
-steve
This has got to be the most amazing thread in the history of message boards. I initially entered the fray back around page 6. I figured I would make another cast at it. Look at the first pic. All 5 reels look pretty much the same except for the handle knobs. But when you turn them sideways you see the real story.
Maudu, Now I know where all the wide 49's are. :o
Dom
Hey, what stand you got there on the 180? Looks like a 49 stand for a clamp kit. Nice little reel, as you say they can be had cheaply.
You're right, John... or maybe an Ocean City stand.
Sweet stable Maudu! Love those 49s. I have been eye-ballin' the 349s lately...may have to spring for one soon. ;)
It's a #24-109 handle JRD. I've used them several times on small reels...they are a very comfortable handle for 180s, 109s, Surfy 100s. I also like the #24-85 handle on 146 Squidders and Mag 10s. It's a hair bigger...but same basic feel. 8)
Hey Mo, get you a 49 you'll love it. In my pic it's the one in the middle. The other 4 are 49A's. wide bodies made for the South African market.
Quote from: The Great Maudu on August 10, 2017, 12:40:04 AM
Hey Mo, get you a 49 you'll love it.
I was saying it's the
349 that I need to get...I
do have a 49...check out this jewel brother! 8)
Love the handle. Be hard to upgrade that jewel
Nice one Mo
I like the knob too.
That's a beauty there.
One of these days you are going to have to post a photo of your entire collection.
Maybe here...
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10064.0
Or here...
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14752.105
John
Quote from: Tightlines666 on August 10, 2017, 04:10:52 AM
One of these days you are going to have to post a photo of your entire collection.
I've been meaning to do that...I'll see what I can come up with. It should be easier than photographing Ted's entire collection. I don't think they make a lens that wide! ;D
The 109 handle is double knobbed. The handle pictured is common on older 180 & 190 reels. The double knobbed handle w/o oil ports was on the 77's.
Quote from: cmdrzog on August 10, 2017, 04:38:28 PM
The 109 handle is double knobbed. The handle pictured is common on older 180 & 190 reels. The double knobbed handle w/o oil ports was on the 77's.
My 77 had the double like you say, my maroon plate 109 had a smaller football knob counter balanced and my other 180s had a single knob non oiling port handles 24-85 handles on them. It was different enough that I didn't part the reel out, cleaned and greased it, changed drags and will probably fish it just the way it is.
Here are a few of the various small cranks.
Best,
Fred
I like the 24-85 (larger single-handled one, with counterbalance) for the Penn 10, as Mo suggested. Looking to get my hands on a dark-colored one soon. :)
Thats a classic for sure.....Good looking reel brother....Bill
Very nice! I bet the flanges on that spool are Nickel Silver.
It has a Rosewood knob , Line post tie and forward rod harness and no part numbers . Late 1940's early 2nd generation . Good condition .Nice find.
Thanks for info guys.
I've had plenty of squidders thru the years and yours does have part numbers. The only other hint of date of manufacture is the headplate. You'll notice the words "off, Gear, on" for the eccentric. ....That went away around 1955-56. Also if this is original box, it has "fair trade price" which I believe also went away prior to mid 50's
-Ted
I'm no expert, but the shape of that knob screams the fifty's.
Cool reel.
Mid 1950's.... Great surf casting reel. World class.
Quote from: steelfish on August 23, 2017, 04:15:00 PM
this is my lastest adquisition, just the way I got it a week ago, still havent performed the Alantani way on it yet.
Your first International? ::) Moving up in the world ::)
The only first-hand look I ever got at one of those was when someone paid $500-1000 a day to take me fishing :D
you know, its not my first international, I actually own a 50s that a customer never wanted to fix, so he sold it to me at a terrific price, I didt felt exited from that one as Im with the 16s because the 50s is bit too big for my normal use, but my compulsive buyer mind follows the rule of " its better to have it and never need it than need it and never have it". ;D ;D this will be my dedicated big grouper and shark reel
any way, international 50s was the first but the 16s will see 5x more action that the bigger brother for sure, as a side note, whan I was starting in fishing I remember that I saw the fishing magazines and saw those big golden reels on the fancy boats and always wanted to have one of those reels until I found the price tag on them, Yay !! well once again the "reel repair" knowleage learned from AT ohana put me on a way to now own two of them, I have a lot of things to thanks to be part of this brothehood community
this its the reel when it was brought to me almost a year ago
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=19899.0
the reel is already fixed and alantanitazed
Nice work!
that is one sweet little reel, was a perfect way to "get my feet wet" working on 2 speeds
Jay
Alex I love the look and feel of those Internationals. They are the go to reels for big game fishing. Good luck with those. Dominick
thanks guys, I also love the look of those old model international
pretty sure they will be keepers on my arsenal
We are at the coast for a few days --
Whenever we come over to the coast -- of course I look for bargains on fishing reels.
Came over to Randy's "for sale" stuff at Jerry's Marine in Morro Bay --
Bought (3) Penns --
A very nice old 350 in perfect condition with the exception of the owners name etched on the stand --
A really good 309 -- just needs a LW guide, pawl, and pawl cap.
And a neat old 1/0 -- that was obviously used by Vinnie Verdigris.
These are just fun old reels for me to restore as new.
They will all get a complete breakdown, clean & service, CF with Cal's, modern lubes, etc.
The 350 will get a new stand -- easy enough, have plenty of those.
The 309 will get a new LW guide and pawl -- also easy, have plenty of those new.
The little 1/0 will get all new exterior metal and new sideplates -- fortunately, I have sideplates, rings, posts, stand, star, spacer, bearings and screws. Maybe a new spool -- although, I may install the old leather drag washers in this one -- I have a bunch of NOS leather discs from decades ago.
I will post pics when they are all done in a day or two after we return. Then just toss them in the for sale box.
Hard to pass up the bargain's at Randy's display -- something for everyone -- top quality brands -- and all super reasonably priced.
Best,
Fred
Nice project reels Fred! 8)
Fred!
You travel with your Taco Bell Serving Trays???
Wayne
Quote from: El Pescador on September 08, 2017, 05:03:20 PM
Fred!
You travel with your Taco Bell Serving Trays???
Wayne
Those trays are standard at the Reel Repair Motel in Moro bay.
:D steve :D
We always have a couple of those in the camper -- standard equipment -- and very handy.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on September 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
We always have a couple of those in the camper -- standard equipment -- and very handy.
Best,
Fred
Fred,
You completely take the wind out of the Art of Dry Shaving!!!!! ;D
Travel Safe,
Wayne
Very nice,,,and good job cleaning it up looks great :D
Nice reel.
John
Beautiful piece. :o
Wow...that is incredible condition for such an early Senator. I too had a stroke of great luck in nabbing this mint 1/0 Senator. This one is truly "just as I found it"...no scrubbing necessary! 8)
Quote from: El Pescador on September 08, 2017, 05:32:31 PM
You completely take the wind out of the Art of Dry Shaving!!!!! ;D
Travel Safe,
Wayne
Does anyone else besides Wayne know the expression "dry shaving?" Dominick
You Dry Shaving Me? Dominick. ;)
Uhhh.....where to start.....hmmmm....I got nothing...... :o :o But those reels are really cool ;) Good job 350 and Mo... Bill
QuoteFound this first year senator recently. The dirt and grease actually protected it from corrosion all these years. She cleaned up really nice!!
That is an amazing find. It is the first of the Senators, a 1936 / 37 Model 115. In that condition you have a valuable reel.
Beautiful reels you've recently acquired. Looks like you met a collector in your travels and somehow convinced him to sell some of his really rare relics.
Good stuff!
Thanks for showing
Dom
Quote from: mo65 on September 27, 2017, 07:10:56 PM
Wow...that is incredible condition for such an early Senator. I too had a stroke of great luck in nabbing this mint 1/0 Senator. This one is truly "just as I found it"...no scrubbing necessary! 8)
Mo, this is a great find, really cool reel, congrats
the other reels that have been "found" recently have made green of envy, not much where to look for reels here
Quote from: mo65 on September 27, 2017, 07:10:56 PM
Wow...that is incredible condition for such an early Senator. I too had a stroke of great luck in nabbing this mint 1/0 Senator. This one is truly "just as I found it"...no scrubbing necessary! 8)
Shes a beauty for sure!
Question. Do all 1/0 have stippled or textured sideplates?
Mr f350, you have a very rare early 2nd gen 9/0. What makes it unique is no front lugs or harness. If it were mine, my curiosity would make me remove the tail plate and look on the inside to see if the plate has a cutout for the lug and if the factory filled that void with a lug blank or no lug cutout at all.
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 28, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
Mr f350, you have a very rare early 2nd gen 9/0. What makes it unique is no front lugs or harness. If it were mine, my curiosity would make me remove the tail plate and look on the inside to see if the plate has a cutout for the lug and if the factory filled that void with a lug blank or no lug cutout at all.
Ted
Thanks Ted, I believe when I had it apart there was no front lug cutout at all. I will confirm Monday when I get home.
-Chris
Mo, I have a couple of those 1/0's Mint like that and you nailed it with that one... she is MINT! If she wasn't I have no doubt you could make her a 10... I've seen you're work lately and WOW!
Keep it up you have a good eye,
Dom
PS- Chris, I can't stop looking at that handle... she's a showstopper! ... One of the prettiest I've seen.
Quote
Thanks everyone! I also recently acquired this 9/0 with lighthouse box. Using Mike's blue book, it looks like 1939-41 maybe judging by the price? I gotta start taking 'as found" pics. This one had just a little scruff to her as you can see, but not much.
Very interesting reel. Using the catalogs as a guide, that reel shold not exist. It has no front lugs, yet the head plate is a second generation configuration. When I see reels like this I always think a transitionary model.
I put the reel in the 1948 / 49 range. I cannot see the price on the box. To be a post war reel in a Lighthouse box (1946 to 1949) it should read $32.50. If the price is less than $32.50, it is a pre-war reel. If that is the case, you have found a very special model or the reel and box do not belong together. In any case, the reel is very special because its build style shares first and second generational characteristics.
Great find! :o :o
Hmmmm. Mike the price on the box is $29.00. To be 48/49 it should have part numbers right? There are none. Guess im gonna have to disassemble her on monday. I will post more pics then. Thanks
-Chris
Quote from: 1badf350 on September 29, 2017, 04:51:41 PM
Hmmmm. Mike the price on the box is $29.00. To be 48/49 it should have part numbers right? There are none. Guess im gonna have to disassemble her on monday. I will post more pics then. Thanks
-Chris
Part numbers started in '50
Chris, the $29 price reflects 1942 or before
Your reel is likely 1941 as that has already been proven to be when the 9/0 gen2 configuration was first introduced. Most had front lugs, but over the years I've seen a handful of gen2 with no front lugs or harness. Yours belongs in a museum
Ted
Chris, 2 very, very nice 9/0 reels. Ted is correct as likely being early 1941 reel. There a couple interesting things about the early 2nd gen, 9/0 reels without the front lugs as to date. First we know that they started in 1941 and that was also the first year that the 9/0 had front/ harness lugs. We also know that you find a few 1940 first gen reels with the external drags ( first year for them on the 9/0 ). This makes me think that these 2nd gen. 9/0 reels without the front lugs could have been made in late 1940 or early 1941. Either way you have a very nice hard to find set.
Bill,
Always nice to see an old girl who's "been there, done that". I thought i had an extra original handle i would give you but I can't find it.
-Chris
chris thank you for looking....reading your "handle" I see F350.... I'm driving an '02 F350...... how about you? Bill
Cool 9/0 bill,,,it's a keeper
Neat reel Bill. We have an '04 F-350, complete with the stock leaking windshield and recalled brakes.
-steve
Well ive owned a 2000 and a 2002. Both 7.3 and jacked up with 38" tires.
But i got married, bought a house and now i drive a Fiesta LOL. Oh how times change.
I keep 1badf350 because its what i used for multiple forums over the years and its just easy to remember
-Chris
Quote from: 1badf350 on September 28, 2017, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 28, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
Mr f350, you have a very rare early 2nd gen 9/0. What makes it unique is no front lugs or harness. If it were mine, my curiosity would make me remove the tail plate and look on the inside to see if the plate has a cutout for the lug and if the factory filled that void with a lug blank or no lug cutout at all.
Ted
Thanks Ted, I believe when I had it apart there was no front lug cutout at all. I will confirm Monday when I get home.
-Chris
Ok so Ted got me thinking about the front harness lugs. I just took the tail plate off for inspection and there are NO provisions for harness lugs. Pic attached. This is the area where the front lug would be on the tail plate
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 02, 2017, 10:00:15 AM
Well ive owned a 2000 and a 2002. Both 7.3 and jacked up with 38" tires.
But i got married, bought a house and now i drive a Fiesta LOL. Oh how times change.
I keep 1badf350 because its what i used for multiple forums over the years and its just easy to remember
-Chris
Chris
I own a 2001 Larait crew cab full 8' body 7.3 F350 and a 2001 F350 one ton dump with a 7.3 then my daily driver a 2002 crew cab full 8' body with a 7.3 with 325,000 miles on it ! I love them !!! John T.
I can't see how you got hurt at all there Crow. That combo was once somebody's brand new rod & reel, it can be cleaned up fairly easy, and you scored it for under nine bucks...bravo! 8)
.99 cents!!! WOW cant believe nobody else bid a few cents more. I'd say good deal there Crow. Heck even if it ends up being a wall decoration.
All that line wound around the rod is a bad sign. Like the solid glass blank may have some cracks in it. It too could be replaced for not much money.
-steve
That's the "wrapping thread'...the sealer...finish...whatever you call it, is all gone, and, the "threads" are actually rotted....you can just pull them apart. The blank, itself, seems pretty sound. I pulled the reel.....cotton line was all rotted on it, as well.......and tore it down for a "soak", and I discovered one problem. It apparently took a "hit" on the tail side bearing ....no damage on the outside of the plate, bur the hex brass insert in "popped out" on the inside. I used a bit of super glue, and secured that, so, when things get cleaned up, I'll see how it does. There are a few things I was going to order, so I'll add some guides, and thread, and have that ready, for "a rainy day" !
Those old knuckle busters were a thing of beauty in my opinion.
Memories of days gone by.
I have several.
Here's a video of a guy surf fishing with the Sea Scamp 78:http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22164.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22164.0)
It looks like the reel he's fishing is a "lefty" !
Quote from: Crow on October 05, 2017, 12:44:09 PM
It looks like the reel he's fishing is a "lefty" !
Yeah, I was wondering... is it really a lefty or just a righty turned around? The freespool lever is on the left front (not back) of the reel, so I think it's just turned around.
I'm betting he's just "fishing backwards"...while the gearing IS helical cut, the taper on the gear teeth is very slight, so , it would take a LOT of pressure (a REALLY nice fish !) to force the pinion off the spool. I spent an hour, or so, cleaning the reel , this morning, and , even with the "repaired" tail plate bearing, it has an amazing free spool ! Much better than my other 78. I may have to fish it, a bit, this weekend....and, I'll try the "backwards thing" (the small mouth I usually catch surely won't stress it very much ! LOL !). I need to figure the size guides I need, and get that stuff ordered, to !I have a pretty sizable (for me !) order to go to Scott's, too....just need to pick up a few more sacks of aluminum cans, to help defray the cost !
The plating is pretty well history...but the plates cleaned up nice ! It kind of reminds me of an old, speckled hound dog, I had once ::)!
Great job,,, I always wanted to fish one
its been a long time without finding anything worth on the local fleamarkets or FB sales, yesterday I saw an add on FB from a guy selling some reels, all others were real beat up fresh water stuff and the only saltwater reel was this one, I got it $20.
long story short, now its mine and Im exited cuz its my first 4/0 with top hat on the drag, not sure but it might also wear a steel main gear
almost all chrome parts are pitted from corrosion, looks like it was cleaned after the green stuff attacked and now it has the familiar chromeless spots all over, the internal side of the reelseat still has the green corrosion, not a problem with this, this will be my loaner reel after a good service.
I'd say you got a good buy !
....and no rod clamp ?? I'd say you better ask for your $20 back ;D ;D ;D
That's a heck of a score for $20
Ted
not a problem Ted,
perfect excuse to get a reel clamp from you soon
;D ;D
I know this isn't a reel but I thought that this was the perfect place for this Penn display piece my buddy Doug
"MARLI" on this site found a few weeks back at a sale in Pennsylvania. It as just as it was found. Please if any one has seen or owns one like let him know or post any info or comments on it !! Thanks for looking !
John Taylor
Sorry for the sideways picture ! I can't seem to fix it. John Taylor
Cool piece! Congrats on the find. 8)
The ultimate "display" ! Really neat !
Sweet!
Nice! That bar looks familiar.... ;D
I've never seen that piece but it was obviously a display that maybe someone has a photo sitting on a counter in a B&T somewhere.
One of the cooler display pieces I've seen.
Congrats on the find,
Dom
Thats a great find....now time to fill it up....Bill
Nice score !!
My guess is it was used at the trade shows in the Penn booth.....just a guess
Ted
Beautiful display! If you get a chance, look at eBay under 'Penn Reel Collectible" there is a page out of a dealers magazine that shows a similar counter top display. Not sure if it is the same, but darn close. I'll see if I can post a link.
Quote from: coastal_dan on October 09, 2017, 05:57:44 PM
Beautiful display! If you get a chance, look at eBay under 'Penn Reel Collectible" there is a page out of a dealers magazine that shows a similar counter top display. Not sure if it is the same, but darn close. I'll see if I can post a link.
You nailed it Dan......that is definitley the same display
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1960-PAPER-AD-Penn-Senator-Store-Display-Fishing-Reels-Reel-Squidder-/152656629655?hash=item238b0b4f97:g:y6cAAOSwsg9Zixk1
Ebay ad of Display.
That's a neat photo in the ad. The display looks much larger when it's full of reels. The ad says it is March 1960. But the reel box on the counter looks older. Didn't they have the blue/white box with stapled edges by 1960?
Where's that recent thread about Penn boxes? I can never find anything around here.
-steve
Steve, you're right, the reels and boxes pictured are from the 50's......Penn used same illustrations over and over for many years. The pic is more likely mid 50's era
Ted
It's been a while since I had something worthy of posting on this thread.....here goes
it's a 1941/42 Long Beach 60 with metal spool and clamp seat. !00% original. It ain't perfect, but in my eyes it's just right.
Mo, George, and Broadway musta all been fishing when this got listed for $19.95 and free shipping !! Thanks guys, I appreciate you letting me win one every so often ;D ;D ;D
Ted
SOWEET! How did I miss that one?
Nice score Ted!
................Lou
Nice reel Ted. ;)
That looks mint in my book.....Bill
$19.95 and free shipping??? I sure hope I was out fishin'...otherwise I must have been in a beer and pizza induced coma. Awesome score Ted! 8)
That was a steal !!
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 11, 2017, 11:34:36 PM
It's been a while since I had something worthy of posting on this thread.....here goes
it's a 1941/42 Long Beach 60 with metal spool and clamp seat. !00% original. It ain't perfect, but in my eyes it's just right.
Mo, George, and Broadway musta all been fishing when this got listed for $19.95 and free shipping !! Thanks guys, I appreciate you letting me win one every so often ;D ;D ;D
Ted
this is the time when you are allowed to use other people words, when you dont see a rod clamp :P ::)
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 06, 2017, 12:26:39 AM
....and no rod clamp ?? I'd say you better ask for your $19.95 back ;D ;D ;D
That's a heck of a score for $19.95
Ted
-- Alex
Beautiful reel. I must have blinked and missed it.
Enjoy,
George
Wow Ted.
Who's going to scoop up this one? ;D http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-27-Fishing-Reel/172921777330?
Penn 114HL Anniversary Edition. Like new. Has one crack on the outside handle ring.
$89 bucks shipped.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on October 12, 2017, 11:41:11 PM
Penn 114HL Anniversary Edition. Like new. Has one crack on the outside handle ring.
$89 bucks shipped.
That's gorgeous! I can't look directly at it, but it's nice.
That IS nice!
Nice score Daron! 8)
Very solid deal on a super sweet reel. Nice going Daron
If you need a ring for that nice 114HL, Daron --
Let me know, and I'll send a new one your way tomorrow.
Best,
Fred
I appreciate it Fred.
Daron
Hey D,
Nice job on your new, Annie. I saw it but had to let her go and boy am I happy I did. She fell into the right hands. I have 2 already so it wasn't an option. I didn't notice the seller saying anything about a crack in the plate though. Maybe I just didnt read thoroughly enough.
Handsomely done pal,
Dom
Good score !
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 13, 2017, 01:51:19 PM
Glad I wasn't asleep at the wheel on this one yesterday? $17 shipped!!
ls this a Long Beach 68? Great deal.
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Quote from: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 04:00:46 PM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic
Quote from: Shark Hunter on October 13, 2017, 11:50:09 AM
I appreciate it Fred.
Daron
On the way today, Daron.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 13, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 04:00:46 PM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic
I own't know, but it don't look like it do. That'ed be extra cool... Please post if it do?...
Gfish
Found this old relic a few months back on the big auction site for $32.50 total ;D ;D
It doesn't look like it was ever used ! Great buy !
QuoteFound this old relic a few months back on the big auction site for $32.50 total Grin Grin
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT FIND AT TRIPLE THE PRICE. CONGRATS ON THE GREAT DEAL!
QuoteGlad I wasn't asleep at the wheel on this one yesterday? $17 shipped!!
Rare find. Mottled plates on the Long Beach models are very difficult to find!
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 13, 2017, 05:17:46 PM
Found this old relic a few months back on the big auction site for $32.50 total ;D ;D
Now that is a Deal! Good work Ted. ;)
I kinda promised myself I would slow down on buying old Penns from the big auction site. "Look but don't touch" works most the time ;) ;).......My plan "B" motto is don't hesitate to buy if the price is beyond rediculously low..... this time it is a full newell "99" jigmaster 500s with stock all steal internals. :o :o It might have been gently used once or twice, but who cares for $14.95 and $9.75 shipping. Seller had it advertised as a plain old 500s ;D ;D
Ted
Very nice find at a fantastic price ;D
I'm calling the police, because that is Grand Theft in a big way :D :D Good buy brother....Bill
Quote from: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 13, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 04:00:46 PM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic
I own't know, but it don't look like it do. That'ed be extra cool... Please post if it do?...
Gfish
So it got here and it does match, but my phone camera flash isnt near as good. Bonus find, when i went to put it on the display shelf i realized i had another one with the exact same mottling. Its bad when you forget you have stuff.
Good deal ! An aluminum spool usually sells for more than that !
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 17, 2017, 12:13:48 AM
Quote from: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 13, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 04:00:46 PM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic
I own't know, but it don't look like it do. That'ed be extra cool... Please post if it do?...
Gfish
So it got here and it does match, but my phone camera flash isnt near as good. Bonus find, when i went to put it on the display shelf i realized i had another one with the exact same mottling. Its bad when you forget you have stuff.
You might could sell this newest one to me. PM if interested.
Gfish
QuoteI kinda promised myself I would slow down on buying old Penns from the big auction site. "Look but don't touch" works most the time Wink Wink.......My plan "B" motto is don't hesitate to buy if the price is beyond rediculously low..... this time it is a full newell "99" jigmaster 500s with stock all steal internals. Shocked Shocked It might have been gently used once or twice, but who cares for $14.95 and $9.75 shipping. Seller had it advertised as a plain old 500s Grin Grin
It is not nice to take advantage of the Feeble Minded sellers............ That is the steal of the year...............!!
This one arrived yesterday as well. I hate to cross post like this, since Mike C and I have a conversation going in the Penn Vintage section.
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 16, 2017, 11:13:42 PM
I kinda promised myself I would slow down on buying old Penns from the big auction site. "Look but don't touch" works most the time ;) ;).......My plan "B" motto is don't hesitate to buy if the price is beyond rediculously low..... this time it is a full newell "99" jigmaster 500s with stock all steal internals. :o :o It might have been gently used once or twice, but who cares for $14.95 and $9.75 shipping. Seller had it advertised as a plain old 500s ;D ;D
Ted
Do you hear sirens??
I've found that a lot of sellers don't recognize the 99 width Jigmasters. It can be hard to tell with the Newell spool because the width difference is not very much, but a sharp eye on the photos can catch it ;D
Good luck finding better eyes than Ted ...and Ray for that matter.
Awesome score Ted... that's a heck of a light weight reel that can be pushed to the limits with some SS internals.
Congrats,
Dom
QuoteI've found that a lot of sellers don't recognize the 99 width Jigmasters. It can be hard to tell with the Newell spool because the width difference is not very much, but a sharp eye on the photos can catch it Grin
That is so true.
Jigmaster 99 width on the right, Jigmaster 500 width on the left.
Penn 155. Nice rings and handle. New stack.
$12.99 shipped.
The stand has some slight corrosion, but it is going to get narrowed, so it doesn't matter.
The rings are what I look at. They are hard to find like this.
How many of 'those' spools do you have stashed lol?
I really don't know the reel to spool ratio as of yet, but I'm leaning on too many reels. ;)
Monofil's, Beachmasters, Surfmasters.
The reels are getting more expensive and hard to find in decent shape.
I see lots in the $50 range that are crusty.
I'm proud of this find. ;)
You said you were going to narrow it Daron...can you tell us what it's going to be...a 160 or 180? 8)
29L-100 spool, stainless posts and 30-49 stand.
180 width.
I just got a couple "new" ones....a "501" size 500, and a 49. The jiggy has an aluminum spool...which I have been wanting to try.....my casting sucks ! It's a really clean reel...too clean, actually, as there wasn't a speck of lubrication...totally dry. That said, it really doesn't show any signs of use, let alone abuse !
The 49 "looks new", as well....except for a bent reel stand. But , with no corrosion or rash, I guess I can spring for a new stad. The jiggy was $41.50, in my hand, and the 49 was &22.03.....the jiggy probably was "too much", but, I really wanted it !!LOL !
Hey Crow I have an extra 49 stand. Its not perfect but its straight. If you want it you can have it. PM me your address and I'll drop it in the mail tomorrow
-Chris
Thanks ! I PM'd you. I'm really liking the Mariner series of reels......and I haven't even "fished" one yet ! I especially like the "reverse reeling" thing. I usually fish my spinners that way..."back reeling". It works well , here in the river, but, when I try it on a big black drum, in the Gulf....I may need new fingers !!
Ohana at work....good job guys....Bill
Some nice treasures showing up for sure.
This came in the mail today, pretty rough but it was in my financial wheelhouse so I took a swing ( sorry watching too much baseball). I'm thinking late thirties 9/0? I'll see if I can get it torn down over the weekend and cleaned up. Everything works but the outer rings are cracked and a little dented. Handle knob is nice and tight. I'll add it to my fledgling collection. Too bad it can't talk Did it take a beating fishing or just getting knocked around in storage? I'll stick to the former, much better story!
Sheridan
I'm really liking that *oxblood* handle !
Another 1st generation 9/0......Looks like the original owner liked to fish with it. Cool stuff !!
Ted
I saw that one, but those two cracks on top of the rings looked like the grand canyon. ::)
I think it will look good cleaned up. Good score! Post pics when you give her a bath
Yup they're toast, lots of crust,no clamp, no beauty queen. It's feels smooth like it works well,once that heavy spool gets spinning the free spool is good. Might be better to just leave the pitina and fish it a few times.
The seller sent a Orca leaflet in the box so I'm thinking it might look better inside than outside.
Nice reel ;D
We've all seen cracked rings because of the bakelite swelling. But, has anyone ever seen a reel that warped or just blew up because of a cracked ring? Even when cracked it is still providing support.
-steve
These rings look cracked from over tightening or getting banged around or dropped. I have a 9/0 as a donor waiting for cortez side plates so I have some fresh rings if I need them. Not period correct but they'd work
Looks great!! Enjoy!
-Chris
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 29, 2017, 04:48:34 PM
Looks great!! Enjoy!
-Chris
Nice move Chris !! Good for you !
Haven't had much time for searching lately, but clicked on fleabay last week and found a sleeper listing for one of my favorite reels. I was the only bidder which don't bother me a bit !! Nice of you guys (and gals) to let me win one once in a while :D ;)
Ted
Looks to be a "cherry" !
Very nice one :D
I love the anniversary reels and that one is so minty sexy!
Nice find Ted,
Dom
I had to get this 6/0 ::)
Benni, that's a 1940's model and looks to be 100% era correct. Bet it's caught lots of fish stories !!
Ted
Quote from: Benni3 on November 10, 2017, 08:21:44 PM
I had to get this 6/0 ::)
looks like its ready to get a smallmouth bass :P :P
Thanks ted it looks like it will clean up nice :D and Alex the clips are in the mail :)
Quote from: Benni3 on November 10, 2017, 08:21:44 PM
I had to get this 6/0 ::)
Looks ilke it needed you too.
Gfish
Hello Ted,
Your 114H reel would out dazzle Christmas decorations. Great pick up.
Ray
I love it when I find old Penns with 70+ year old line....It's a good sign that it hasn't been used for eons.
This is a all original pre 1950 squidder as found.....
.....and pic #2 after it got a once over
Nice find !!
.....and the "money shot" for any squidder is always the tailplate. This one is very nice indeed !! I really lucked out on this one 8) 8) Squidders from the 40's in this condition are like hens teeth :D :D
That there is a Ted reel. Minty-fresh.
;D
I'm visiting a friend in Cleveland and just for the heck of it looked in the local Craig's list and found this '33 Kingfisher 250-yard reel for sale for $20. It's worth 4x that and will probably clean up pretty nicely, and it's completely correct for the year. It's probably not seen action for 3 or 4 decades. I'll work with it sometime after I get home. Pretty happy with this find! :) Not sure what I'll find under the line, but I'm in Ohio and there's no salt water around, so that may not be a problem. For $20 I didn't care.
Sid
Love it sid,,,, great find,,,have you seen any corn and those big electric wind mills up there ;D
Ya' did good on that, Sid !
Thanks guys. Haven't seen any windmills Benni even though we were at the Rock and Roll HOF a few days ago, and that was right on the lake. Not sure where they are.
I got the line off and the spool that was beneath is in pretty good shape. This will be a good addition to my collection.
You got to love those old 30's Penns and that's a nice one,,,,and Ohio is a nice state with very nice people enjoy your time up there sid ;D
Very nice find Sid......you are the masta of your domain !!
Keep up the good work my friend and thanks for sharing !!
Ted
Nothing wrong with a Long Beach Kingfisher for $20... nice score, Sid!
Dom
QuoteI'm visiting a friend in Cleveland and just for the heck of it looked in the local Craig's list and found this '33 Kingfisher 250-yard reel for sale for $20. It's worth 4x that and will probably clean up pretty nicely, and it's completely correct for the year. It's probably not seen action for 3 or 4 decades. I'll work with it sometime after I get home. Pretty happy with this find! Smiley Not sure what I'll find under the line, but I'm in Ohio and there's no salt water around, so that may not be a problem. For $20 I didn't care.
Where I am from, this is known as a "Can't get the money out fast enough", "A Steal". "No Brainer" kind of deal". Penn reels are increasing in value so much that the Price Guide I wrote five years ago will be good for starting fires and not much else. Deals like this used to be common, happened every day; but, not so much anymore. I remember a 1932 Model K in a 1933 Long Beach box sell for $10.00 in 2003. No one took Penn reels seriously as collectibles back then; but, today things are different.
Give that reel the Ted M. effect and you will get 10 times what you paid for it. You hit a "New York Home Run" Sid, Congrats!!
Way ta go Sid! Welcome to the Buckeye state and enjoy your visit. 8)
Well this one isn't mine, but was recently picked up by Broadway Dom.
I'm having issues sending his pics to my computer, so here is his pic right off my phone.
This is right up there with the nicest model f known to exist. Click on the pic for enlarged view
Ted
That must be what they mean when they say, "Gently used" !
QuoteWell this one isn't mine, but was recently picked up by Broadway Dom.
I'm having issues sending his pics to my computer, so here is his pic right off my phone.
This is right up there with the nicest model f known to exist. Click on the pic for enlarged view
This is the best one I have ever seen. looks like """New Old Stock""", absolutely the number 1 Model F in terms of condition.
Way to go Dom! Beautiful reel! Glad it's in the Ohana!
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 20, 2017, 02:03:34 PM
Where I am from, this is known as a "Can't get the money out fast enough", "A Steal". "No Brainer" kind of deal".
Yeah, I took one glance at it, handed her $20, said, "Now it's mine" and then told her a little history of the reel. I'm back home, have some things to catch up with, also have a '33 Sea Hawk I have to clean up. They'll be shelf buddies....
Sid
Sid, Dom;
VERY nice reels. They still keep turning up.
:o
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 21, 2017, 08:19:25 AM
This is the best one I have ever seen. looks like """New Old Stock""", absolutely the number 1 Model F in terms of condition.
Another tidbit about this model f is it was purchased in 1931 and was the 1st one produced in accordance with the original owner......how's that for some earth shattering news !!
Thanks for the compliments guys. She is all original and has been gone through with a fine tooth comb (or toothbrush). When I received her she was just covered in "old crust" which evidently wasn't very permanent.
The only real place (some screw heads had light corrosion that I neutralized to stop the ill-effects) there was corrosion was the spool arbor and the very bottom of the side spool flanges. It looks to me that very little line was ever put on this reel and don't believe it received much use at all. I'm thrilled to be the new caretaker of this reel as it sits proudly among it's very close, long lost siblings for me and my family to enjoy.
Thanks for posting the photo, Ted. Also, I have to ask Ted if he'll post a letter that may be of some importance to the history of Penn reels.
Keep up the hunt,
Dom
Wow Dom!
Way to go on that one.
That is the nicest one I have ever seen. A cornerstone piece for sure.
:o :o :o
Looks like Christmas came early ;)
Holy S@!T DOM! I'm floored by that mod F!! Awesome is an understatement!! ;D
Wow! if there is a penn museum that would be a cornerstone
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 21, 2017, 10:51:32 PM
Holy S@!T DOM! I'm floored by that mod F!! Awesome is an understatement!! ;D
Like he said.......Incredible brother.....Bill
Yo! Broadway Dom strikes again. Way to go Dom. I'm waiting for the letter. Dominick
Here is the letter Dom is referring to. I'm splitting the letter into 3 pics so it can be read.
...and the letter itself
....click on pic to enlarge
That is so freakin' neat, what a special item. Thanks for sharing.
Brother Dom, I think it's time for an updated photo of your fantastic display case.
So in this letter dated April of 1993 this guy says the first Penn reels were sold in 1931 when we have all this time been thinking the prototypes came out in '32 and the first year of production was '33. In 1993, when this letter was written, the reel was about 60 years old, and I have to assume the writer was going by a 60-year old memory. I just re-read the first few chapters of Mike's blue book about the first few years of the Penn company. There are dated receipts for the first plate molds from Kuhn and Jacobs, and sales receipts for sales to Edward K Tryon. On page 11, in the section written by Steve Vernon, it says Otto quit Ocean City in 1930. This would have made 1931 prototypes possible, but I think it more likely (at this point, with what I know now) that the writer of the above note mis-remembered by one year, and he should have written '32 instead of '31. I hope some interesting discussion follows.
Quote from: sdlehr on November 22, 2017, 05:28:52 PM
So in this letter dated April of 1993 this guy says the first Penn reels were sold in 1931 when we have all this time been thinking the prototypes came out in '32 and the first year of production was '33. In 1993, when this letter was written, the reel was about 60 years old, and I have to assume the writer was going by a 60-year old memory. I just re-read the first few chapters of Mike's blue book about the first few years of the Penn company. There are dated receipts for the first plate molds from Kuhn and Jacobs, and sales receipts for sales to Edward K Tryon. On page 11, in the section written by Steve Vernon, it says Otto quit Ocean City in 1930. This would have made 1931 prototypes possible, but I think it more likely (at this point, with what I know now) that the writer of the above note mis-remembered by one year, and he should have written '32 instead of '31. I hope some interesting discussion follows.
That is a great point/observation Sid. I suspect an error was made in the letter, but it can not be simply ignored either. It seems possible that the gift was made in 1931, but not actually produced/delivered until 1932. If this letter is to be taken as fact, then it would indeed re-write the history books on the first year of production, and possible provide some suggestion as to what the first reel model, and in fact first actual reel, to be produced by Penn. Although, I think this is somewhat unlikely. Maybe Dom, or Ted can let us know if there were any marks left on the inside of the sideplate by the mold?
Seems like there is always something new turning up with regards to the early history of Penn. However, one must be careful to read too much into evidence of this sort.
Regardless, this reel and associated letter are most certainly historically significant pieces.
John
No doubt this is a fantastic reel, the best "Model F" I have ever seen, it is kind of Earth shattering to believe it is a pre-1932 reel. I do not want to bust anyone's bubble about documentation; but, the early records of the Model F and K reels are fairly well documented. I do not believe it is possible for a Model F to exist in a completely ready for the market version in 1931.
I will simply put up a few photos.
The Model F Patent with its filing date of July 30, 1932.
The next photos are of the Model F prototype, which I own. The only known prototype of the actual patent. The prototype has no logo and other differences. The prototype is also chrome Plated. This is the only Model F prototype ever discovered as far as I know and it was found at the Penn Plant in 2003 in the office of a upper executive.
The chrome plated Model F is unique. It never left the Penn Plant and as far as I know is the First Penn reel, although I cannot prove that.
This being said, I still feel Dominick's Model F is the best one I have ever seen and is no doubt a centerpiece for his collection.
Sid and John,
I am going to try to find more out about this letter after Thanksgiving. There was an envelope holding both the envelope and the letter Ted so kindly posted for me that has a name and address on it that I will be contacting shortly. The envelope was sent to Al Munger (One of the big reasons fishing reels are collectible and an author of many reel collecting books) who has since passed on. I was fortunate to buy this from his collection of special reels.
Paul Ludtke opened a wholesale sporting goods store in Philly in 1932, ironically. That being said, I'm pretty sure he remembered the date correctly as he would've known if it were before or after his store opened, but what do I know. Clearly, Paul wasn't winning any spelling bees or grammar contests, but he even remembered the guys name who bought the first Penn Reel (Walter Hatly) so his mind still seemed sharp. There is a KJ (circle K) inside the plates but I suppose there could've been an order for a certain amount of sample plates so Otto could make sure things were gonna jive before he plunged into this too deep. Most people do a sample or test run before ordering thousands of parts so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened here. Lastly, Otto may have left OC in 1930 but like most hard working people they get their ducks in a row before they leave a job especially during such hard times. While I don't know if any of this is fact I do know it's worth looking into. Mike, Ray, Brian, and the rest of you Penn historians need to chime in so we can get to the bottom of this. I look forward to hearing others thoughts and ideas.
Thanks crew,
Dom
Mike,
Somehow your posting didn't pop up until I posted my last posting. Every time I see that prototype Model F my envy meter goes way up! The chrome was later added, correct?
There's no busting any bubbles here... I just wanna get to the bottom of that letter. Mike, do you know if Paul Ludtke was related to the Henze family as the letter is signed "Uncle Paul?"
I appreciate your insight and while I believe every word you're saying, do you think there is something to this letter? Let's say he got the date wrong and it was supposed to be 1932 could it be that it's the first production Model F ever sold? ...it would seem plausible. I also like how he mentions that Penn reels and ephemera are now becoming collectible, i.e., the ashtrays and thermometers. Any more info that I receive I will post in this thread.
Thank you and let me know when you wanna sell that reel, Mike. :o
Dom
All,
I'd expect the moulds to be quite expensive and as such I doubt that the mould makers would make the moulds for the making of prototype reels without charging Otto there and then .
If they were charged for the prototype moulds when first made they would not be charged again , unless they were remodelled and made again. Not likely to make such a costly mistake for an infant business watching costs.
If is possible to find the Invoice date for the moulds I believe that will help with the manufacturing date. My opinion only.
Ray
An invoice for plate moulds would certainly tell more of the story --
But as for a company not charging up front for the moulds...
Otto was well regarded in the industry, and also had many previous contacts, suppliers, and friends that he developed relationships with over the years at OC.
We were a couple of years into the Great Depression that lasted around 12 years. Craftsmen and equipment were easy to obtain -- particularly if the slight hopeful promise of more business down the road if the Penn experiment became successful was a possibility.
So it wasn't like it is today -- cash on the barrelhead, or no product. People wanted work and a future, machinery was idled, soup lines were around the block -- other forces were at the forefront of business motives.
So we need to look at things through the lens of the times also.
Even though a fresh startup -- Otto was well known to those suppliers in the industry -- both as a smart engineer -- but also a man of integrity -- who would pay his bills promptly when an agreement was concluded.
Things were different in those days --
This will be a neat mystery to unravel, if possible.
But one thing for sure -- if this is not the Penn Holy Grail, it sits in the same vicinity.
Glad it found a good home.
Congratulations, Dom!
Best,
Fred
Bula All,
Dom, Bula! and congratulations!
That is a beautiful find and with an incredible history & story!
I hope it pans out as you said.
It sure seems likely, especially considering Fred's wealth of input regarding those times.
I think Fred may have nailed it..... Old school business ways amongst gentlemen in trying times.... and you may never find a paper trail.
What a score of true museum quality!
Congratulations on that Piece of True Penn History Dom.
Can't think of a better place it needs to be right now. ;)
Erik,
It is good to see you old friend. ;)
Erik --
Good to hear from you.
You have been missed!
Fill us in...
Best,
Fred
Just a thought before I go overeat. The chrome plating on my old prototype is original. The clicker button is unique to 1932 and 1933 and could not have been chrome plated after it was installed on the tail plate.
The side plates are not Kuhn-Jacobs, they are early hand molded plates. They have no markings. If a reel has Circle K on the side plates, it is 1932 or later.
John Thorhammer, Photos to come, pal.
Thanks John Bullseye, you have quite a nice early 12/0 right there. Beautiful restorative cleaning you've done.
I personally, can't lay an exact date on her but she is an early second gen so probably '40-'42, certainly pre war.
Also, I'm a sucker for handles and that is one heck of a handle on her.
Mike, That chrome is surprising on such an early Penn reel. Beautiful! ...and I see what you mean about the clicker button.
I will do some more research and keep you all posted.
Erik, Great to hear from you and thanks for the nice words. Hope to see you around more as I miss seeing some sizable fish caught on those 9/0's. ;)
Fred, Thanks for your input, as usual, it is very true and while I don't know what this letter means I will do my best to find out some more info. I will take good care of the letter as I do all my babies.
Daron, She'll be held with great curiosity and care. Thank you!
Enjoy filling those bellies,
Dom
QuoteWell I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?
Happy Thanksgivings John. My humble opinion on this reel is that it is a late 1940's post-war reel because of the obvious fact that it is a second generation reel and that the spool is pinned and not drilled. I would think pre-war reels had drilled spools and the info is still controversial on whether the second gen build style for the Model 116 exists in a pre-war time zone for production reels. Maybe someone can document that (I just found a 12/0 second gen picture from 1941). The catalogs say it ain't so...........
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2017, 03:47:05 AM
QuoteWell I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?
Happy Thanksgivings John. My humble opinion on this reel is that it is a late 1940's post-war reel because of the obvious fact that it is a second generation reel and that the spool is pinned and not drilled. I would think pre-war reels had drilled spools and the info is still controversial on whether the second gen build style for the Model 116 exists in a pre-war time zone for production reels. Maybe someone can document that. The catalogs say it ain't so...........
Again I am far from a Penn expert !! I was thinking because of the way "Penn Senator 12/0" was written on head plate and that it had the "coin edge" type counter balance it was an earlier 2nd gen. I hadn't even thought about pinned spool ? I guess I will spend some time in your books today !! Thanks Mike ! John Taylor
John, while I know where Mike sits on the "first gen and second gen topic" others believe there are pre war
12/0's in the second gen style. There have been several debates on this topic. No matter what that's a First Class 40's 12/0 ya got there.
Enjoy her and yes, read mike's books for sure. Tons of info in them.
Dom
That 12/0 does look very nice, great job on cleaning it up. early 40's,late 40's still a beauty of an old penn.
QuoteAgain I am far from a Penn expert !! I was thinking because of the way "Penn Senator 12/0" was written on head plate and that it had the "coin edge" type counter balance it was an earlier 2nd gen. I hadn't even thought about pinned spool ? I guess I will spend some time in your books today !! Thanks Mike ! John Taylor
The pinned spool is what makes me think your 12/0 is post war. We are really splitting hairs here. Even though the catalog ads for the 12/0 say the first gen did not exist until after the war, I can prove that wrong. There are early 1940's pre-war photos of second gen 12/0's. The last page of the 1941 catalog has a photo of a second gen 12/0 (see it in my Yellow Book, page 100, lower right photo). I do not dispute that, just that spool makes me think yours is a post war reel. I could be wrong, no real way of knowing without a box and catalog match for the reel. The coin edge handle and free spool lever could be pre or post war.
Mike
How about the logo doesn't that look early or did they use the same logo after the war ? John
QuoteMike
How about the logo doesn't that look early or did they use the same logo after the war ? John
No doubt that your reel is wearing a first generation logo. Here is a picture of a first generation reel wearing a second generation logo. That sort of shoots the logo theories down. The logos are the results of interchangeable mold plugs that were reused for many years.
Oh well I do like the reel !! Thanks for all the info. John Taylor
QuoteOh well I do like the reel !! Thanks for all the info. John Taylor
The reel is fabulous. Now you need to find a Lighthouse box and a appropriate catalog and remove all doubt of this reels origins for future generations.
Very Nice 12/0 John. :o
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 24, 2017, 08:02:48 PM
Very Nice 12/0 John. :o
Thanks Daron ! I think I like that little Everol 7 1/2 I just got better though ! John Taylor
Thanks for posting that photo, Mike. I have never seen a first gen 12/0 with the "Second Gen" logo. Cool reel and one more "tell-tale" down the tubes. :-\
Dom
Quote from: broadway on November 24, 2017, 08:45:54 PM
Thanks for posting that photo, Mike. I have never seen a first gen 12/0 with the "Second Gen" logo. Cool reel and one more "tell-tale" down the tubes. :-\
Dom
Good point.
Prewar handle counterweight, 2nd gen gearbox, 2nd gen logo, likely an early post-war with a prewar handle. However, I am in the camp that believes there were 2nd gen gearbox senators manufactured prewar. Mike's point on catalogs is well taken though.
John
Interesting photo of a second generation build style Penn Senator 12/0 taken probably around 1939 or 40 and published on the back cover page of the Penn Catalog #9 (1941). Reel should not exist according to the catalogs.
QuoteThanks for posting that photo, Mike. I have never seen a first gen 12/0 with the "Second Gen" logo. Cool reel and one more "tell-tale" down the tubes. Undecided
Dom
I believe this reel now lives in Australia at Ray's house. I dated this reel as a 1942 reel because it had a heavy stand with 1/4 clamp screws and the more modern logo. I placed it as pre-war reel because even though the logo was more modern, it was a first gen configuration and it also had a drilled spool. That drilled spool I feel is a key factor in approximating a Senator pre or post war status when the reel's other dating factors become questionable. It is just my opinion, but, I feel it works.
Quote from: 54bullseye on November 24, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 24, 2017, 08:02:48 PM
Very Nice 12/0 John. :o
Thanks Daron ! I think I like that little Everol 7 1/2 I just got better though ! John Taylor
Show me when you get it.
I believe this reel now lives in Australia at Ray's house. I dated this reel as a 1942 reel because it had a heavy stand with 1/4 clamp screws and the more modern logo. I placed it as pre-war reel because even though the logo was more modern, it was a first gen configuration and it also had a drilled spool. That drilled spool I feel is a key factor in approximating a Senator pre or post war status when the reel's other dating factors become questionable. It is just my opinion, but, I feel it works.
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So now that I'm thoroughly confused...This 2nd gen 12/0 has 1st gen logo, large studs, and no pin on the spool. I think it's time to throw everything out the window and rethink these timelines that don't add up that are sometimes based on a single component
Picked up this 111 2/0. Has the old black box and everything but the catalog. I'm yrying to figure out the year but I couldn't with "the book". Has part numbers on the handle nut and bushings but not on the foot. Has external opening drags. Pretty good shape happy I found it
Thanks
Nice one!
Swami805,
The $15.00 price on the box indicates 1946-50 in "The Book" . Part numbers are also post war late 40's .
Ray
Quote from: Swami805 on December 01, 2017, 02:28:14 PM
Picked up this 111 2/0. Has the old black box and everything but the catalog. I'm yrying to figure out the year but I couldn't with "the book". Has part numbers on the handle nut and bushings but not on the foot. Has external opening drags. Pretty good shape happy I found it
Thanks
It's got a mix of numbered/non-numbered parts, and as Ray said the price works for '46-'50, I'm going to go with 1950 based on the mixed parts numbers.....
Sid
Thanks. Wasn't sure when they quit the external drag. Never had one before. Looks like a tough little reel.
Quote from: Swami805 on December 02, 2017, 04:36:23 AM
Thanks. Wasn't sure when they quit the external drag. Never had one before. Looks like a tough little reel.
Nice reel and box.
Mike will know more
The Senator 2/0 is a Long Beach Deluxe, not really a Long Beach. The box is a late 1940's box, might be some left over boxes in the 1950's with this label. Reel should not have part numbers; but, who knows what parts were added during the servicing of the reel over the years.
The external drags on the Senator 2/0 officially went away in the 1956 catalog. All previous years had external drags, except for 1954 / 55. In those years guessing must be done because the small 1/0, 2/0 & 3/0 Senators were not pictured in the catalog, they were just listed in the text. That makes me feel that during those 54 / 55 production years, if you bought a Senator 2/0 it was likely to come either way. Penn was transitioning the model from external to internal drags.
Thank you
The reel had been serviced at some point before I got it. Super clean inside and still had oil in the felt washer. Had some corrosion but cleaned up ok with vinegar and simple green
I have a few old long beaches, still looking for a deluxe in decent shape to come along
Sheridan
Here is one I got a couple of months ago. Long Beach 66 made for Abbey & Imbrie. The reel had this blue painted wood handle on it. This is what the seller had to say about the reel.
"Here is a seldom seen Abbey Imbrie casting reel, a Penn Long Beach 400 yard trade reel. This is a pre-war (probably early 1940's) reel with engraved tail plate, long counterbalance, and no parts numbers, marked 400 YDS on the foot (stand). Handle knob is wooden, asymmetrical, and repainted (blue paint on the handle stem). I showed photos to a well known Penn collector and he believes the handle knob is original - "very unique but it resembles other wood knobs on the big game reels". Please enlarge closeup photos and judge for yourself. Shows light finish wear. Cranks smoothly and the free spool lever, click, and star drag work. A fine addition to your collection!"
Here are photos of the grasp with and without the blue paint. Also a photo of the " Broom Stick" grasp that Penn used on their first gen. 9/0.
What do all of you think about the grasp??
I have been able to get a pre war 67 to get a handle from. The 66, 67 use the same handle and plates. The tail plate on the 67 also has a chip in it so it. I would still like to find a better handle for the reel. This is also the reel that I'm trying to get a tail plate for as this one has a chip out of it.
Something else that I felt was interesting about the Abbey & Imbrie reel and the reel I got for the handle is that they both have a Pinned spool not drilled. I feel that both reels are from 1940 as they have the Hersey Kiss clicker button and do not have the foot that uses a rod clamp. I don't feel that they are from 1939 as then they would have the waffle clicker button. The catalog for 1941 shows the all Long beach reels with the new foot that has the rod clamp. from looking at the reels I feel that are the original spools and were not replaced at a later date.
I felt this was interesting because a few post back ( John Taylor's early 12/0 ) there was some discussion about pinned spools not being pre-war.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2017, 03:47:05 AM
QuoteWell I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?
Happy Thanksgivings John. My humble opinion on this reel is that it is a late 1940's post-war reel because of the obvious fact that it is a second generation reel and that the spool is pinned and not drilled. I would think pre-war reels had drilled spools and the info is still controversial on whether the second gen build style for the Model 116 exists in a pre-war time zone for production reels. Maybe someone can document that (I just found a 12/0 second gen picture from 1941). The catalogs say it ain't so...........
Does anyone have pre-war reels that have pinned spools that came with box and catalog?
I will have to do more than one post for all the photos.
Your wood knob looks home made to me.
-steve
Brian,
I wanted that reel pretty bad, but evidently you wanted it more. Happy it's in a good home.
As for the pinned spool. I agree with you in saying there were pre war pinned spools and it looks like you have one right there.
The grasps looks to be homemade not just by the simple fact that it's not peened the same way, but also, I think Penn would have made it more uniform. Also, I;m not sure what type of wood that is but I never saw a Penn handle made from it. Just some observations, I look forward to the gurus answering in.
Thanks for showing that rare bird,
Dom
Hello Brian,
I have not seen that fat blue handle before although its shape reminds me of Ocean City's Long Key handle of around 1939 .
The LB Deluxe spools changed from drilled to line posts in the same 40/41 era.
Ray
Over in the Monterey Peninsula area for a few days celebrating our Anniversary.
Hit a couple of antique warehouses, found a bunch of over-priced reels and junky rods.
However, did find a maroon Squidder 140 for $24 with an incorrect box, clamps, and wrench.
Also found an old Seaford with the brown sideplates for $25.
Both should clean up nicely.
Best,
Fred
That was worth the stop. Seaford looks to be in pretty good condition, ant that was an absolute steel.
They are still out there. Nice find.
Good find, Fred! Enjoy your time away.
Sid
Great find Fred! The Sea Ford is the surprise. Squidder's from the 1960's are great fishing reels. I always like finding a Squidder of any size at the right price; but, the Sea Ford is special. Don't see them everyday!!
Nice score Fred! 8)
You did well Fred :o :o
Both should clean up nice
Ted
....ooh la la, nice score on the seagate in absolutely superb condition !!
I'm seeing all the signs of pre-war 41/42 era..... Congrats !!
Ted
Yes sir...that's a very clean Seagate! 8)
Can u guys tell me if it is an all original Seagate?
Quote from: 1badf350 on December 14, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
Can u guys tell me if it is an all original Seagate?
Nice looking reel. Looks like it to me.
Quote from: 1badf350 on December 13, 2017, 11:47:23 PM
Man you guys have been posting some great stuff lately. I have been in a slump. This one showed up today. I didnt have to touch it. Its a Seagate but i dont know what year. $19 plus shipping
There are experts on our site who will know -- one has already chimed in, Ted. Others will be along shortly.
I am far from an expert on these -- but just pulled out a couple from the Penn bone bins -- and one seems older with the wood grip, hex clicker, and bakelite spool. One seems a little newer. Both have picture engraved tailplates.
It is easy over the years for parts to get mixed up on these due to necessity and common fit. But yours looks pretty cool and original to my untrained eye.
Best,
Fred
Both are Pre war Fred ;D ;D
The Seagate is a pre war reel that didn't show up in the 1946 catalog....or did it ?? ;D ;D
I'll let you make a logical assumption as to why it was discontinued....or not: (deep breath) ;)
The seagate was always a dressed down, less expensive long beach 60. The 60 had metal spool, while the seagate had plastic. Just prior to the war Penn started putting plastic spools on the long beach 60 & 65, which basically was now the same as a seagate. After the war all long beach 60 reels came with plastic spools(metal was extra option) until 1948. For those years the long beach 60 was actually more like a rebranded seagate than a long beach.
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 14, 2017, 08:39:04 PM
Both are Pre war Fred ;D ;D
The Seagate is a pre war reel that didn't show up in the 1946 catalog....or did it ?? ;D ;D
I'll let you make a logical assumption as to why it was discontinued....or not: (deep breath) ;)
The seagate was always a dressed down, less expensive long beach 60. The 60 had metal spool, while the seagate had plastic. Just prior to the war Penn started putting plastic spools on the long beach 60 & 65, which basically was now the same as a seagate. After the war all long beach 60 reels came with plastic spools(metal was extra option) until 1948. For those years the long beach 60 was actually more like a rebranded seagate than a long beach.
Thanks for the clarifications, Ted --
As for discontinued -- knucklebusters were always something we would rather forget.
Doing a few groups of DAM Quick and Mitchell restorations, along with repairs & servicing other reels today --
In between parts getting washed and drying -- I went ahead and cleaned up the old Seaford a bit.
Nothing like you, Mike, Ray, Mo, Sid, Sal, Dom, and a few others on here would do -- but for a quick and dirty job -- it now has 40 seconds of freespool with no line on the spool -- and is at least a little more presentable.
What is interesting to me about this reel -- I gave my last and only Seaford to Daron a year or two ago in a trade for some Senators and Quicks. Never expected or figured I would get another -- and this one comes along.
Best,
Fred
QuoteNothing like you, Mike, Ray, Mo, Sid, Sal, Dom, and a few others on here would do -- but for a quick and dirty job -- it now has 40 seconds of freespool with no line on the spool -- and is at least a little more presentable.
Fred, it looks as good as anyone else would do. These old pre-war models were used to death. They were the Go-To reel for the hungry American family man. I believe you have rescued a fine old soldier.
That cleaned up nicely!
Fred I love it!!
Looks great !
Very nicely done, hard to believe that's the same reel.
I believe that was an Anglesea Fred. ;)
You really show your skill level with that restoration. ;)
Fred, that turned out great! Ted would be proud of that job! Interesting look to the oil port in the handle side bearing, is it chromed? It looks to be wider as well....
Fred,
Mike was spot on... I don't see how any one of the people you mentioned or anyone else for that matter could do any better breathing life into that old gal. Beautifully done Fred.
I really did't think it would turn out that good to be honest with you. The spool, the stand and pretty much all the external parts appeared to have been considerably destroyed by corrosion.... I was wrong.
Well done, Fred
Dom
Very nice work.
Excellent job Fred. Looks like new and works even better I'm sure with the Master's Midas touch!
............Lou
Quote from: broadway on December 15, 2017, 03:15:14 AM
I really did't think it would turn out that good to be honest with you. The spool, the stand and pretty much all the external parts appeared to have been considerably destroyed by corrosion.
Dom brings up a point here that I have been researching...these older reels with the satin plating(was it nickel?) clean up better than newer reels with bright chrome plating. Some also have German silver instead of brass parts...it doesn't show finish damage as bad. Note how the spool, posts, stand, and handle were covered in a sorta black tarnish vs. the usual green growth. These are the reels that clean up nice and still have that beautiful patina...Fred's reel is an excellent example. Top shelf resto Fred! 8)
hey all-
I haven't bee too active on this site, but now that it's officially winter up in the Northeast, its time to clean up the gear, etc. I also just purchased these older Penns off the interweb and wanted to show them off. they are all in good working condition, just need to be cleaned, greased etc. so far all I've done is wipe off the dust and put them on the shelf.
first the Penn 15
next my favorite of the group...the 85
and then the Peer 209. this one is in really good condition. I'm planning on using this one as I've just started to do some salt water fishing and this seems like it will be a great reel for me.
Those should clean up nicely. Love those mottled plates always a little bonus
Looks to be in pretty good condition !
Got to love the 9/0's Great find,,,bill
Nice Bill. ;)
I hate those Handles too. >:(
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 18, 2017, 08:45:46 PM
Nice Bill. ;)
I hate those Handles too. >:(
LOL i was gonna PM you and see if you wanted the two I had. Guess that answers that.
I have a few too, Maybe we can send them to Fred for his lamp project. A homage to old school rock codding
I have a drawerful also!
Might make good upgraded cranks for homemade ice cream mixers.
Best,
Fred
Another pre war long beach 60 joins the family. Just gave it a fast wipedown. Every piece of this one is all original to 1941. The generic logo only says "long Beach" so it would have yardage stamp under the seat to determine which model it was, but for some reason they never yardage stamped the "optional" lb60 clamp seat, even though it only fit a few reels, all of which were 250yd models
Ted
nice Ted!
Nice reel Ted.
You have got to have one of the most extensive collections of early LB reels around, certainly some of the nicest reels. Is this your first prewar with the clamp kit?
l'm thinking about buying this 209 and 309 from an online freind who lives about 700 miles away. He says they are functional but sort of faded from sunburn.
Anybody got a suggesion of what l should pay for them? l don't need the rods.
Really nice piece ya got there,Ted. Love when the mold is new so the impression on the tailplate is deep, standing proud like that '41.
Keep 'em coming,
Dom
Quote from: festus on December 19, 2017, 03:34:30 AM
l'm thinking about buying this 209 and 309 from an online freind who lives about 700 miles away. He says they are functional but sort of faded from sunburn.
Anybody got a suggesion of what l should pay for them? l don't need the rods.
$50 shipped IMO
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 19, 2017, 03:18:59 AM
Nice reel Ted.
You have got to have one of the most extensive collections of early LB reels around, certainly some of the nicest reels. Is this your first prewar with the clamp kit?
John, that's like asking Mr owl how many licks to the center of a tootsie pop :D
The answer is 5 licks ;D ;D
Ted
In between cleaning and restoring old reels for clients, as they are soaking and being US cleaned -- I try to get some of mine done also.
Nothing fancy, just stock -- but with upgraded CF's coated with Cal's, SS discs, Delrin UG washer.
This old Squidder I found last week over at the Coast for $24, along with the old Seaford are both completed now.
Full disassemble, evacuated all grease and crud, cleaned up and shine/burnish the interior parts, modern lubes..
Did change out the posts for new, along with the stand, crank, (2) tailplate rings, and a clamp kit.
Just quick and done -- but at least ready to fish.
Best,
Fred
QuoteNothing fancy, just stock -- but with upgraded CF's coated with Cal's, SS discs, Delrin UG washer.
That plus the new external parts makes for a great fishing reel.
Nice Job.
Santa came early today ;D My 80 year old dad sent me three of his reels, that HE bought brand new....A JM 500L from the 60's (based on the Postal Code on the box) another 500L from the 70's in the tan box and a LB 65 from 70's also (according to his recollection) .....he said the 60's JM and the LB were fished about three times and shelved and the other JM never used :o......All are in like new condition and will be getting Center Stage in the cabinet. Dad wasn't much of a conventional guy, but said the could cast the JM 40 yards further than he could with a Mitchell 302 ....Hmmmm and he wasn't a conventional type of guy ::)....hence the homemade thumb break......Thanks Dad ;) I'm hoping Santa is going to be nice to the AT Ohana this year......Bill
They look great Bill! 8)
Very nice and very clean!!!
Thanks guys.....I'm starting to wonder what else Pop's has stashed he's not telling me about ???
He passed this jeweled gem to me, a Roll's Engineering Model 300, a few years back......Bill
nice collection bill! Looks like you have a couple of silver spools for that Jigmaster, if you need to have a red spool maybe we could switch.
Best,
Sal
Really nice Penns Bill, but that Rolls is something special. I read the stuff at ORCA but did you ever find out anything about it? It seems weird that a reel maker in Los Angeles could disappear without a trace.
-steve
Beautiful reels and the silver jiggy spool is a huge bonus.
Two thumbs up !! ....actually 3 thumbs :D :D
QuoteA JM 500L from the 60's (based on the Postal Code on the box)
That model is hot item. The reel is a first generation Jigmaster 500L. It is in a 1960's Blue Box with a sticker updating the box with the New Aluminum spool Jigmaster. The actual release date of that reel is 1975. The postal code on the box may represent the 1960's but it is obviously a left over box from the 1960's that Penn placed the new 500L stickers on until the regular 500L box could be made. That aluminum silver spool was only used from 1975 to 1977 when Penn changed to the red aluminum spool in 1978. It is a keeper, especially since yours is so nice. I would think that model with the first gen box is not so easy to find. Here is the introduction of the 500L from the 1975 catalog.
Hi Mike, the boxes are sorda tough to find, but I'm pretty sure they used the sticker for all 3 years of the silver spool. Anyways, here would be what to look for.
On the left is 1st year silver spool jigmaster box, right is 1st year box for the red spool on the 500S model
Ted
I have never seen a 500L come out of a box with a red aluminum spool. I may be wrong, but I am 99% sure that they were introduced for and shipped with the 500S exclusively, except by mistake.
QuoteI have never seen a 500L come out of a box with a red aluminum spool. I may be wrong, but I am 99% sure that they were introduced for and shipped with the 500S exclusively, except by mistake.
You are correct according to the catalog. I believe the red spool was only used from 1978 to 1980 for the 500S only.
Merry Christmas!
QuoteHi Mike, the boxes are sorda tough to find, but I'm pretty sure they used the sticker for all 3 years of the silver spool. Anyways, here would be what to look for.
Great finds for those boxes. I would think they are hard to add to a collection. Good ones to look for. I would assume you are correct about the span of use. There is nothing found by me that would explain it any other way.
Have a great holiday!
Great Reels Brother Bill. ;D
Very nice reels Bill. Fond a good home too
Thank you guys......what a wealth of knowledge just shared here.....Mike, Randy and Ted you guys never cease to amaze me....Now what is ironic is I have never been a big fan of the JigMaster (Yes I know, sacrilege :o) I am more drawn to the Senators and Mariners, however in spite of my tastes, the JigMaster collection is expanding like a herd of rabbits and they are starting to grow on me :D.
Quote from: oc1 on December 25, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
Really nice Penns Bill, but that Rolls is something special. I read the stuff at ORCA but did you ever find out anything about it? It seems weird that a reel maker in Los Angeles could disappear without a trace.
-steve
Yes Steve, the Rolls is still a mystery, besides the information supplied by ORCA, nothing else has surfaced. Tried searching old Los Angeles directories and patent searches, but no luck. It would be amazing if someone came forward with a complete history of the Rolls AND the Nep-Tuna because he worked for both companies......Tight Lines and Cool Beans my brothers.......Bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 24, 2017, 11:43:53 PM
Santa came early today ;D My 80 year old dad sent me three of his reels, that HE bought brand new....A JM 500L from the 60's (based on the Postal Code on the box) another 500L from the 70's in the tan box and a LB 65 from 70's also (according to his recollection) .....he said the 60's JM and the LB were fished about three times and shelved and the other JM never used :o......All are in like new condition and will be getting Center Stage in the cabinet. Dad wasn't much of a conventional guy, but said the could cast the JM 40 yards further than he could with a Mitchell 302 ....Hmmmm and he wasn't a conventional type of guy ::)....hence the homemade thumb break......Thanks Dad ;) I'm hoping Santa is going to be nice to the AT Ohana this year......Bill
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 25, 2017, 01:31:40 AM
nice collection bill! Looks like you have a couple of silver spools for that Jigmaster, if you need to have a red spool maybe we could switch.
Best,
Sal
Hello Bill, sorry for asking about the silver spool. I thought the pic above was one and that there were two reels with the silver spool.
Had I known it was only one, I would have never asked. Funny part, I wasn't even looking for one, I thought it would have been nice if you had one of each.
Merry Christmas!
Sal
Sweet grouping.
Looks like you should try to find a complete first year Jigmaster reel/box/spool in order to complete the group. Well, you could look for the red-spool anniversary reel to ad to the group as well. That is a great start though.
John
No worries Sal.....If I had two of them one would be headed your way.....
John I think you are right on completing the set.....Looks like I'm getting JigMaster fever now :P
Now to find the 12 Step process for Reel Addiction..... :D
Merry Christmas to all....Bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 25, 2017, 04:36:25 PM
Thank you guys......what a wealth of knowledge just shared here.....Mike, Randy and Ted you guys never cease to amaze me....Now what is ironic is I have never been a big fan of the JigMaster (Yes I know, sacrilege :o) I am more drawn to the Senators and Mariners, however in spite of my tastes, the JigMaster collection is expanding like a herd of rabbits and they are starting to grow on me :D.
Quote from: oc1 on December 25, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
Really nice Penns Bill, but that Rolls is something special. I read the stuff at ORCA but did you ever find out anything about it? It seems weird that a reel maker in Los Angeles could disappear without a trace.
-steve
Yes Steve, the Rolls is still a mystery, besides the information supplied by ORCA, nothing else has surfaced. Tried searching old Los Angeles directories and patent searches, but no luck. It would be amazing if someone came forward with a complete history of the Rolls AND the Nep-Tuna because he worked for both companies......Tight Lines and Cool Beans my brothers.......Bill
You know someone who worked at Nep-Tuna in Los Angles ? Do you know anything about his employment history at all ? Dates ? John Taylor
Sorry John. just wishing out loud about how great it would be if we did find someone......Bill
Bill your handle is in enroute ups is behind so I think it could be Monday.
WooooHoooo!!!!! Christmas continues ;D ;D ;D Much thanks brother John......Bill
Looks a lot better, nice job.
Brian : Cross bars or posts are kind of rough but not to bad. Now I want the first generation 16/0 !!! From what I see a TUFF FIND !!! But they have to be out there somewhere !! Would you or any one else know where I could find a no part number rod brace ? John Taylor
Very nice 16/0 and you did a good job cleaning it up looks new ;D
Nice reel there! That makes a great one to ad to the set of first gen Seanators since it is ran early Reel, and the first gen 16/0s seem to be as rare as hen's teeth.
John
John, no help on a rod brace.
Nice reel John. First gen 16/0's are super tough, at one time they were thought to be impossible, that is until Brian found one, now Ray has one also and I seem to remember one or two more.
They are very difficult to document, most of them are probably very early release reels that were either prototype or experimental, I do not think there were too many first gen 16/0's offered for sale; but, it is all speculation. Every time one comes up for sale it is an Event.
I feel all pre-war 16/0's are special reels.
Congrats on the find!
Very nice early reel,very clean. Fortunate it's in the hands of someone who values it.
Wow that looks great John!
Hi All
Wishing all of you a great 2018.
Regarding the discussion of the postal codes on the Penn reel boxes:
I have a Penn No. 180 box 100yds. Price $6.00 (1946-50) with no postal code on box
I have a Penn 49A in box Fair trade price $16 (1951-52) also no postal code on box
Earliest catalog I have is a #18 from 1953 with address Philadelphia 32 PA
What was the 1st year with the address Philadelphia 32 PA ?
Catalog 28B of 1965 has address Philadelphia PA 19132
What was the 1st year with the address Philadelphia PA 19132 ?
Catalog 29 of 1966 has address Hunting Park Avenue Philadelphia 32 PA ?
But I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, only the "B" catalogs were in the actual reel boxes and the others weren't ?
Any clarity on this confusion would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
AC49
As guideline -- US Postal Zip Codes were introduced in 1963.
It became mandatory a year, or so later.
That 18A catalog has so much information in it -- it is a treasure.
I keep one in my throne room -- every time look through it, I learn something new.
Best,
Fred
Catalog is a great issue. It is special because it spans two years. It is a 1954 / 55 issue, not 1953.
Thanks Fred and Mike
Was the old postal code the 32 ?
And was it replaced with 19132 ?
Sorry, being from Cape Town, South Africa I wasn't able to find much info on the web.
Regards
Alan
Alan you are correct.....the five digit replaced the two digit. But here it gets tricky. Otto Penn always the mixer used every last thing even mixing parts to build a reel. So even though the US Postal Service changed the codes, Penn used every last box so he was still shipping reel boxes out with the old codes. So it is best to date your reel and box by the price.....this will get you within a year at worst.
Mike Cacioppo, has published a series of books on the first 25 years of Penn reels and his 3rd volume has all the catalogues in it. This volume is called A Documentary History of Penn Reels. All three are good reading and worth space on the coffee table.
Bill
Thanks Bill much appreciated
QuoteI have a Penn 49A in box Fair trade price $16 (1951-52) also no postal code on box
Hello Alan, could you post a picture of the 49A reel and box. I was wondering if the reel is marked 49A, as some of the early ones were and if the box is marked 49A?
Reel assembled with box and a comparison pic of some of the my other 49A reels with their boxes. Note the one on the right is the only 49"A" in this pic. The others have only No.49 on the sideplate. All of these reels have part numbers except the old 49A which has no part numbers on the 2 eccentric cams.
Regards
Alan
QuoteReel assembled with box and a comparison pic of some of the my other 49A reels with their boxes. Note the one on the right is the only 49"A" in this pic. The others have only No.49 on the sideplate. All of these reels have part numbers except the old 49A which has no part numbers on the 2 eccentric cams.
This is all very interesting to me. Thank you very much for the photos. I always suspected that the 49A marked side plates only happened in the early 1950's. This helps to prove it. The only place to find these reels and boxes in the quantity and diversity you have them is South Africa.
This also tells me how Penn identified their export models. The markings were on the boxes, not the reels. They initially marked the 49A because that reel was modified but other reels, like Jigmasteers, were only marked on the boxes.
Your older 49A was made between 1951 and 1953. That is the beginning of Penn's use of stamped part numbers on their parts. Reels from that time period will be a mix or numbered and non-numbered parts.
Thanks for posting these pictures, now I will have to set up some time to take my two 49A reels apart and look at the internal differences. The one I have with the 49A marked head plate I feel is earlier than yours because it has a coin edged counter weighted handle but it does have some numbered parts also, so not too much earlier or maybe not at all.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 04, 2018, 06:47:48 PM
This is all very interesting to me. Thank you very much for the photos. I always suspected that the 49A marked side plates only happened in the early 1950's. This helps to prove it. The only place to find these reels and boxes in the quantity and diversity you have them is South Africa.
Mike I recently bought a Penn 49A with A on sideplate that had no numbers on ANY parts on the reel so I assume that would be pre-1950 ? The spool also had the same "4 brace" as per pics above. The owner is searching for the box at his holiday home so hopefully it will surface soon.
Regards
Alan
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 04, 2018, 06:47:48 PM
QuoteThis also tells me how Penn identified their export models. The markings were on the boxes, not the reels. They initially marked the 49A because that reel was modified but other reels, like Jigmasteers, were only marked on the boxes.
I researched this and a mate of mine in South Africa told me that he and a friend foul-hooked a rod and reel in a river in East London, South Africa, the reel was apparently a Penn Jigmaster with a 500A on the headplate, but the friend, a South African wildlife conservationist was murdered in Tanzania during 2017. The 51-year-old expert on the protection of elephants was presumably shot dead by poachers on Wednesday 16th August 2017 in the Masaki suburb of Dar es Salaam. So we haven't pursued this matter due to this tragedy as he had the reel. RIP Wayne Lotter.
Regards
AC49
Wow!
Sounds like I can ad yet another model to this search list, though it sounds like this one is not likely to turn up here in the states.
As found left handed 3/0 approximately 1949/50. Mostly non numbered, including the spool
Gorgeous reel Ted!
:o :o :o
;D
Nice find there!
Those non-numbered parts could be used to make a prewar model exceptional, though I'm not sure I would want to meddle with this one's beauty ;)
QuoteI researched this and a mate of mine in South Africa told me that he and a friend foul-hooked a rod and reel in a river in East London, South Africa, the reel was apparently a Penn Jigmaster with a 500A on the headplate, but the friend, a South African wildlife conservationist was murdered in Tanzania during 2017. The 51-year-old expert on the protection of elephants was presumably shot dead by poachers on Wednesday 16th August 2017 in the Masaki suburb of Dar es Salaam. So we haven't pursued this matter due to this tragedy as he had the reel. RIP Wayne Lotter.
Sad story about the conservationist. Amazing story about the 500A. I have never seen a marked Jigmaster 500A. That would mean a plug mold would exist with the 500A Model Number. Very interesting.
I want to paste in some history I have published about these reels. Maybe it will be something you can relate to about the history I found by communicating with some people in South Africa. Your knowledge and opinions are very important here because you live there and have first hand knowledge of South Africa. My knowledge is all by talking with people like you that live there. Thank You.
"" The time period is the 1950's, at that time there was a phenomenon going on with Yellowfin tuna off the coast of Cape Point, South Africa. A rocky coastal location named the Rooikrantz enabled brave fisherman the chance to catch Yellowfin Tuna from a land based rock pile. It seems to me that they risked life and limb in order to fish this location for tuna. These were not football tuna, these tuna were very good sized fish as can be seen by some vintage photos from the days gone by at the Rooikrantz . Among the people that fished the Rooikrantz, one particular gentleman stood out from the rest.
A Mr. Louis Boshoff was one of the most famous Rooikrantz anglers of yesteryear, many spinning lures were developed by Mr. Boshoff that are still being molded and copied today in South Africa. The area that Mr Boshoff fished at the Rooikrantz was at the lowest, most inaccessible part of the cave (people who knew the location considered it at the end of the rope). It happened that Mr. Boshoff was left handed and this particularly dangerous fishing spot was only fishable if you cast left handed. Going there today and carefully searching, you will find a small hole in the rock with a cover on it where a fighting chair for catching Yellowfin would be mounted.
Mr. Boshoff used a Penn 49 to fish from the rocks but he needed a reel that had more line capacity but was still light enough to cast and fast enough to retrieve spinner baits at speeds that would attract a tuna. The Penn 49 was light for a reel of its size, was fitted with a large, lightweight Bakelite spool and had a retrieve ratio of 3.5 to 1. It was the perfect candidate for the Rooikrantz fishing except more line capacity was needed for the super strong Yellowfins. Louis Boshoff used the standard Penn 49 as the base to create three reels, one for himself, one for his brother and one spare. He made the reels by removing the crossbars and stand from a normal Penn 49 and replacing it with a stand and cross bars from a Penn 500 which created a wider reel. He then took the shaft of the Penn 500 spool and placed that shaft in the plastic spool of a Penn 49 after splitting the Penn 49 spool and making a spacer to make up the extra width needed to make the spool fit the new, wide Penn 49.
The late Mike Stott was one of the Directors at Jack Lemkus Sporting Goods in Salt River, who were agents for Penn in Cape Town at the time that Mr. Boshoff accomplished this modification to the Penn Model 49. Mr. Stott saw these modified reels, took the spare reel that belonged to Louis Boshoff and sent it to Penn. A Penn representative was sent to Cape Town to investigate why this reel was needed and Penn history was made but only exclusively in South Africa. All Penn had to do was manufacture a wider plastic spool, all the other needed parts for this new Model 49A reel were on the shelf.
This story was passed on to me, by Mr. Fritz Rossouw, a reel repairman and collector living in Pretoria, South Africa. Mr. Rossouw has made this study of South African Penn 49A reels possible by being very generous with his own particular knowledge and passing on to me other sources of information. """
I wrote an article about these reels many years ago, it is Chapter 13 in my green book. This is an excerpt from that article.
I have been told that those Jetty Fisherman were called "Springbucks". I must admit, the stories from South Africa certainly have a large amount of drama attached to them.
Thank you very much for sharing.
Quote"That would mean a plug mold would exist with the 500A Model Number. Very interesting"
Mike my philosophy is "seeing is believing" so don't look for the plug mold JUST YET ;)
I will pursue this matter until at least a picture surfaces !!
I did however manage to purchase a Penn 500 Jigmaster with a white spool from my mate - not great condition but the only 1 I have ever seen in South Africa. It did look a bit better after a clean up.
Mike I will post some interesting information I have gathered about the Rooikrantz fishermen of the 1940's and 1950's soon.
Regards
Alan
A white spool for a Jigmaster?? Holy moly...these surprises just keep coming...awesome find Alan! 8)
QuoteMike my philosophy is "seeing is believing" so don't look for the plug mold JUST YET Wink
I will pursue this matter until at least a picture surfaces !!
I did however manage to purchase a Penn 500 Jigmaster with a white spool from my mate - not great condition but the only 1 I have ever seen in South Africa. It did look a bit better after a clean up.
Mike I will post some interesting information I have gathered about the Rooikrantz fishermen of the 1940's and 1950's soon.
Regards
Alan
If you find a picture of the 500A with a marked side plate, you will have the only one I know of. Stranger things have happened.
The white spool Jigmaster is a new one on me. I guess the export models were different. That spool is very special. Not many other reels a Jigmaster spool can be used on. They will interchange with a Model 259---Live Bait Caster, but, I think that is about the only other reel that would use a Jigmaster spool. I could be wrong, maybe I could get some other opinions here. That is a rare spool, in my opinion.
Looking forward to more info about the Rooikrantz. Those guys were special kind of fisherman. I have a couple of photos from those 1950's days gone by. The first is a gent named Jack Wheeler with a 170 pound yellow fin he caught off the rocks. The second photo is of two ladies (Mrs. Vi Knipe & a Mrs. Joan Ritchie) that also had some impressive fish. Those must have been exciting days. I was told the current changed and that changed the fishing.
QuoteNew to site. 3reels with pictures...Can anyone give me years, and, or any info on the reels? From what I have rea on other forums the black one might be a "rare" reel. It is black throughout. It was handed down to me by a family member. Any info would be great. Thank you.
The first reel is a Green Model 710, vintage late 1960's. Common reel. It is an excellent reel which sold many by Penn, hence, it is common. Probably worth about $30 to $40 if all is running nice and smooth.
Second reel is a Penn Spinfisher 722 with the early gearbox cover. Vintage 1969 to maybe 1972. Value about $40 if smooth running.
The black Model 710 is much harder to find than the green. The black reels were released in very limited numbers and were not painted with Penn production equipment. You will find black Model 710 reels with different finishes because different paints were used to create the black reels. Some have smooth finishes and some have wrinkled finishes. The black Model 710 Spinfishers usually sell for higher prices. Mint in the box can be valued as high as $150 for a model 710, more for a right hand drive Model 711. A used black model 710 would be valued from $50 to $100 approximately. Vintage is likely to be 1969 or very early 1970's.
There is something weird about how the bail wire attaches to the rotor on the black one. Nice hatch cover table too.
-steve
Got this 190 100yd in today $7+shipping
Looks to be a pre war 190....nice grab Benni
Ted
A Long Beach 65 "De Luxe", seller says: "1938, 300yd. Reel". This's a "keep it as is" reel for me with alla chrome loss. Nice heavy Penn. It has an odd(to me) screw pattern on the rings: 6 screw stand, but only 1 screw shows on each outside ring. Also, 6 posts, but the 2 bottom-most posts have no screws showing on either outside ring?!? Can't wait to open 'er up and go through everything and see what's up!
No yardage stamped on the bottom of the stand.
Gfish
A 1939 Silver Beach 97. Very good-low wear-condition, for a '39.
The bridge, eccentric and eccentric jack(but not the yoke) are chrome!
Gfish
Gfish is it possible your DL65 mirrors the 3/0 senator build style where there are a couple hidden screws under the rings?
Nice reels Gfish...I love those old Silver Beaches.
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 11, 2018, 11:06:25 AM
Gfish is it possible your DL65 mirrors the 3/0 senator build style where there are a couple hidden screws under the rings?
That Deluxe 65 is actually the predecessor of the 3/0 Senator.
Nice reels, Gregg. I've never seen those reels before. Thanks for sharing.
Ok so I paid to much for this one,,,lol :D but it is like new
That's beautiful Benni.
Can't pay too much for a good one -- or too little for a rough one...
Nice reel!
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Benni3 on January 11, 2018, 11:53:52 PM
Ok so I paid to much for this one,,,lol :D but it is like new
Cool reel. First pink stock one that Iremember seeing. I was considering bidding as well.
John
Very nice reel Benni! it looks familiar, I think I've seen it on here before.
Thanks guys,,,,and uncle sal I hope you doing good up there,,,it's been cold
Wow, that is one good looking reel...
You only live once my friend, nothing is " too" much if it's something you wanted!!! Great find!
Brett
Wish Penn made more reels in this lipstick red color. I always wondered why they only did the 27 in this color
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 16, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
Wish Penn made more reels in this lipstick red color. I always wondered why they only did the 27 in this color
Ted
Same here Ted, especially since it doesn't show up cracked as many times as the green and grey Monofils. I hate that the Coloramic Monofils only lasted a few years. Then they went right back to that old mud/brown/maroon watcha-call-it! :D I see the more common red maroon a lot, and an occasional black Monofil. Are the black ones kinda scarce?
Not sure about the black monofil reels Mo
Penn kinda pulled a fast one on everyone by "introducing" reels specially made for monofilament line. The monofil 25 is an exact duplicate of a 155, just different label. The monofil 26 is duplicate of a 160, and the 27 is a re-labeled 180. All 3 had been around since prior to the war and continued to overlap with the monofil, even though they were exact same reel. I've rebuilt a couple grey monofil by using a 155 as a donor reel. Its the affordable way to get yourself a nice grey 25 without spending lots of dough.
that one will not need the simple green OR vinegar. nice!
Yep Chris, there was a clamping stand available for the 60 and 65 beaches. It was an accessory item. You just need the screws and clamp. That's a dandy 65, good grab! 8)
Cool long beach ;D with a nice handle
I've been trying to curb my spending, but never expected to win this lb60 for $9 ... I was the only bidder. I guess nobody likes the long beach anymore except Mo, Chris, and little old me ;D ;D
Ted
It's hard to pass on a deal like that Ted...the handle alone is worth 9 bucks! Great solid reel. 8)
Quote from: Gfish on January 20, 2018, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 18, 2018, 11:14:46 PM
This long beach 65 came yesterday. Sorry for the crappy pics I know the lighting sucks.
Is the stand correct? Are those clamp stud holes supposed to be there?
Very nice, well defined picture-plate. Hard to find one in that condition. Looks like the "spring-ball" (for the oiler) in the bushing is either missing or the ball's off the spring. Got a couple like that, is there a fix or do ya gotta get a diffrent one?
Gfish
Quote from: Gfish on January 20, 2018, 03:54:17 PM
Very nice, well defined picture-plate. Hard to find one in that condition. Looks like the "spring-ball" (for the oiler) in the bushing is either missing or the ball's off the spring. Got a couple like that, is there a fix or do ya gotta get a diffrent one?
I've had a few like this myself. Actually...I've
created a few like this!
If you take a micro screwdriver or similar tiny instrument and kinda dig around in there the ball will pop back out most times.
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 20, 2018, 02:16:27 AM
I've been trying to curb my spending, but never expected to win this lb60 for $9 ... I was the only bidder. I guess nobody likes the long beach anymore except Mo, Chris, and little old me ;D ;D
Ted
How did I miss that?
You da man Ted. ;)
Nice old senator with some stories behind it, They can't all be beauty queens.
That Senator looks like a heck of a good score. Those are not easy to find.
Cool beans brother....Always good to save the old ones....Bill
What do you guys think? There is a chrome plating shop in my town. Im thinking about taking it in at least for an estimate. If its not outrageous I may consider it. It might not even be possible
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 23, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
What do you guys think? There is a chrome plating shop in my town. Im thinking about taking it in at least for an estimate. If its not outrageous I may consider it. It might not even be possible
Chris leave it the way it is it has character !! If you re chrome it first off you will see old pitting marks under the chrome and second the side plates and rest of the reel won't match the shinny metal work !! It's like re bluing an old gun ! It ain't worth it ! That is what I think Lol !!! John Taylor
John always knocks some sense into me. ;D
OK will leave it alone.
Agree. I have a buddy that restores slot machines. I thought about doing reel parts, and he said exactly that: you will have shiny chrome highlighting any scratches (same with re-anodizing). Better off picking up some used bits in better shape....I expect they will be available when Tom's plates come out :)
The reel is probably German Silver. If you want pretty, remove whatever chrome is on there and polish the parts. They will look better than chrome when you are done.
This was a mess of chrome loss and corrosion. Of course it does not approach a Ted reel but the improvement was a big step up.
If you are not going to fish with a reel I think you should keep it all original (including the drag washers) as much a possible. It will help protect your investment. A few decades from now the carbontex and new parts will have decreased it's value. By that time, people may have resources that make them better able to evaluate how original the reel is and when/if it was tampered with.
I have never disagreed with Mike about anything, but wonder if removing the finish isn't also detrimental to the value over the long run. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and, to me, having honest wear and character is a beautiful thing. Dust it off, stabilize any corrosion and oil it.
-steve
Chris,
Nothing wrong with that reel...just. Clean it up best you can and enjoy....have to agree that a chrome shop can't really make it look new...scrub and polish the best you and fish it...will last forever!!
Brett
When it comes to collectibles, judgments are made all the time. If a reel is broken, corroded and has a massive finish loss, then it has nowhere to go but up. Especially if we are talking about a production reel. When a reel is turned into jewelry, it attracts people. When a reel is a mess, it needs a history lesson and a very good reason to leave it that way.
I have seen collectors take a 12/0 vom Hofe basket case with original chrome over German Silver and pay a grand for it. Then take the reel and restore it with extreme care. When they were done, the reel tripled in value; but, was not as it was when it was built. I always feel that originally it the bottom line. A NOS item is always the most desirable; but, fishing reels were built to fish with. That means exposure to sun, salt and years of extreme use, to bring one back is a big part of the hobby.
Some collectors do nothing to their tackle. They are simply custodians of it until they decide to sell it. Myself, I like to clean and make it function as it should. I am not into shinny; but, I appreciate it and know that there is value to that. I have seen many collectors make their pieces better than the original maker made them.
I guess what I am trying to say is there is an #### for every Seat. When you see something that makes you feel you have to have it, then it is right for you, whether it is mint or looks like it was dredged up from the Sewage Treatment Plant outlet.
I highly doubt that a Penn reel could be shined beyond the day it left the factory.
If you read any Penn catalog, you'll read about how their reels are "highly polished" at the factory.
Besides that there are some parts that are nearly impossible to polish after factory assembly, like the click button, the handle blade, the gear sleeve transit, and a few others. You cannot make tenderloin out of ground round especially if it's thin nickle plating, because you'll blast right thru to the brass.
That's a great pic, Tony. Is it yours?
I'm one who prefers to see an old artifact in the condition it would have been used. To me, that brings more of an understanding of the historical time period.
Sometimes historical novels give a better lesson than history books (sometimes).
Imagine if the Sistine Chapel had never been restored.
With all due respect, if I take a NOS vintage Penn reel that came from the factory and dust it off with a microfiber to remove fingerprints and smudges and another reel that I shined up as best as I could (that wasn't mint already) I don't believe it would be "better" than the factory finish. If I get a set of rims chromed on my car they will never be shinier as when they left the plater no matter how much polish and time I put into them. Penn was proud of the products they churned out, so it would surprise me to find out they didn't polish their parts before sending them out into the world. Now, in regards to the German Silver, it can be shined up a bit more with some elbow grease, but chrome will not look better than it did when it was done at the factory. In fact, I'm not sure if the German Silver reels didn't come from the factory shinier than we see them. German Silver gets a patina and dulls a bit with age. I wasn't around in 1932-1975 so I couldn't tell you for sure. As for the side plates, They will never have the perfect/shiny sheen than they came out of the mold with no matter what you do. Just like an ice skating rink, when you scratch the ice it becomes dull... thank goodness for the zamboni. We have a lot of creative people on here, let's make a side plate zamboni, a light torch that runs above the plate to cure the imperfections would be a good start. ;)
I do agree that original is the only way to go, as I would prefer to have an old all original, crusty reel than one that has been re-chromed or has non-original parts on it. It is a subjective topic to say the least.
Of course, this is just my opinion,
Dom
Here is a 1941 12/0 that was owned and fished by a decorated WWII hero. He fished it prior to the war and after the war and up into the 1980's. Obviously used, but also was kept serviced. The harness adjusters turn very easy, as do the clamp nuts. Freespool is amazing. I love this reel just how it is and wouldn't change a thing.
That's got some character!
My early 2nd gen 10/0 was fished by a wooden charter boat out of Pearl Harbor catering to enlisted solders throughout WWII and after the war. It too has character, and will remain in 'as found condition, with the rod it came with (a calcutta bamboo wrapped by a locally famous rod wrapping family living at the leper colony).
On the other end, your restoration of my first gen. 12/0, and prewar 1/0 with period correct parts we're well worth refurbishing. I think the owner needs to decide with each individual piece.
John
Wood knob, honest wear, well maintained, provenance. You can't ask for more than that Ted.
A rod made on Kalaupapa is one heck of a provenance story John. By the way, there has been a Florida boat/tarpon rod built on a Calcutta cane for sale at the auction lately.
-steve
How about a non-numbered early second gen. 4/0?
I picked this one up after digging through 4 crates of reels, at the local pawn shop for $20.
It should fit right in with the other prewar Senators.
I was (and still am) hoping to find a first year 4/0, but for the price, this one will work just fine for now.
Not quite as pretty as Ted's non-numbered 4/0 though.. actually not even in the same class :)
John
Nice score for $20 John, and if you didn't rescue it, there's a good chance it would've not been discovered for what it is. The early 4/0 picture plate is one of my favorites.
Very nice score John
That's a great collection of Senators John!
You have some nice Senators there John !!! Good deal on the last one to ! John Taylor
Very nice collection,,,,love the older senators ;D
Nice set of reels.
Found these two rough Penn 209 in a group of other parts reels. The brown one seems fully functional but has a chip near the clicker. The black one is in better shape cosmetically other than the worm gear and the bottom of the line guide has some green corrosion.
So I plan on getting one good reel out of these and keep the other for spare parts. Of course I need a handle, handle screw and handle nut screw.
Waffel clickers seem to be on the oldest Penn's. Looks like someone fixed it with something laying around in the shop. How's it work? Very nice picture plate.
Gfish
Gfish.... was sticky when i got it, expected sludge inside but bone dry. Several drops of penn oil and it sings. No corrosion, just dust so I did'nt vinegar it.. the line is dacron? Black braided stuff thats tough... i cant break it. Gotta be over 30lb. Test.. I'm gonna fish it just for fun like this.
The black braided line is nylon squiding line.
Squiding line ??? Hmm... thanks, I've gotta look that up.. I learn something new every day on here.. love this site.
Probably braided nylon squidding line, but it could also be braided black silk or braided black dacron. Burn the end of the line with a lighter. If it forms a solid melted glob is it dacron or nylon. If it forms an ash that you can pull off with your fingers it is silk. Nylon squidding line has a lot of stretch. You can usually feel it stretch by pulling on on the last yard or so. Dacron has almost no stretch. Silk would be rotten by now. Nylon or Dacron could still be OK.
-steve
QuoteSquiding line Huh? Hmm... thanks, I've gotta look that up.. I learn something new every day on here.. love this site.
Squidding is an old fashioned term used for "Surf Casting" with metal tins or feathers. Example, the ""Penn Squidder"", world class conventional surf casting reel.
Well I won a package deal from an online auction site and part of it was this non-numbered Senator 111 2/0. When cleaned up the three piece spool is bronze in color and the rings cleaned up really nice, unfortunately the handle locked up solid sometime ago and the original owner kept fishing it eventually loosening the peened section in the handle blade. Too bad it's non-numbered otherwise I would replace it. Since it might just sit on the shelf I will leave it alone. In the package deal was a very clean 85 I might try to see if that fits. Until then it will join it's other brothers of the same Senator name. Bill
Well heck, thats cool, why not re-peen it ? That's how penn did it in the first place....
Many who are better than me have tried to repair these handles but to no avail. The best I can do for this old piece would be to completely detach it from the blade and drill and the tap the shaft and add a screw to the backside. This would be for display purposes only. Bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 12, 2018, 12:03:53 AM
Well I won a package deal from an online auction site and part of it was this non-numbered Senator 111 2/0. When cleaned up the three piece spool is bronze in color
Bill, that spool has the color of oxidized Nickel silver (German silver). Is there any pitting of the surface? Some of the pre-war Penn Senators have been showing up with those, but I'm not sure I've seen this size yet.
Did, no pitting at all on the spool. The inside rings do have chrome loss but the outer rings have no pitting. Bill
Bill, did you use vinegar & water to clean the spool?
Odd, I've had brass turn to a pinkish hue when soaked in vinegar. Brasso polish got it back to normal.
Yes it was a vinegar soak. Lots of crud on the spool and let it soak for a couple hours. Still not happy with the way it turned out. I have some brass polish I will try on it and see if it improves the appearance. Bill
Bill;
If the arbor was brass when you started and the flanges are nickel silver, the brass leached onto the flanges. You can clean up the flanges with a non- abrasive polish. If you use an abrasive polish it will scratch them.
Thats good news.....will polish it up this weekend and post the results. Thank you for the help brother. Bill
Hi All
Need help identifying this reel handle on a Penn 49. It doesn't have any number stamped on it. Is it original or from another reel ?
Thanks
AC49
AC i dont believe thats a Penn handle at all
I don't know what reel it came off exactly, but it looks like an Ocean City reel.
Dom
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 13, 2018, 04:27:51 PM
Odd, I've had brass turn to a pinkish hue when soaked in vinegar. Brasso polish got it back to normal.
Not odd at all. The pinkish color is copper that replates on the corroded surface, so these surfaces have microscopic pits that are lined with copper. Polishing just removes that layer and exposes a fresh surface. There's a lot of electrochemistry going on at a corroding surface, this is only part of the story.
And the ORCA folks don't recommend Brasso polish because of how much material it removes. A non-abrasive polish, like Simichrome or Nevr-Dull, is preferred.
Quote from: broadway on February 15, 2018, 12:21:00 PM
I don't know what reel it came off exactly, but it looks like an Ocean City reel.
Dom
I agree that the grasp appears to be Ocean City-made, but that handle wouldn't have fit without some modification with a file, but that's not hard to do....
Looks like OC and probably is, but I've also seen some Japanese Penn knock-offs have a similar handle that fits Penn sleeve.
Quote from: thorhammer on February 15, 2018, 01:50:45 PM
Looks like OC and probably is, but I've also seen some Japanese Penn knock-offs have a similar handle that fits Penn sleeve.
Yeah, the Olympic conventional reels. They made some for KMart and Sears. If I recall correctly, the ones I saw were stainless steel.
Thanks to all for your kind assistance. Seems the Immec 150D, Olympic Dolphin 615 or Kencor 150D have a very similar handle. Think I will stay clear of this purchase. :)
Regards
AC49
If its a deal have it. somebody has an old Penn handle around here...
Quote from: thorhammer on February 16, 2018, 04:21:19 PM
If its a deal have it. somebody has an old Penn handle around here...
I think those stainless steel knock-off handles are decent. If I had one, I'd upgrade the knob and use it, on some other reel.
I just picked up this Silver Beach . The seller had it marked as a 1939. It's my first Silver Beach and by far my oldest Penn and it was very reasonably priced.
Actually after a bit of research, Im thinking its a 1940. It has the hershey clicker. Can anyone confirm or deny and any other notable facts are appreciated.
It could very well be a '39, as that is the first year the torpedo handle was offered on that model. I have no information regarding the hershey kiss clicker, hpefully someone else will chime in. Bill
QuoteActually after a bit of research, Im thinking its a 1940. It has the hershey clicker. Can anyone confirm or deny and any other notable facts are appreciated
It falls into a time span rather than to say it is a particular year. I would say it could be anywhere from 1939 to 1942. I know that is a blanket statement; but, there is really no way to get closer without more pieces of the puzzle. Even if you had it in the box, it would still be a guess at its age. From 1939 to 1942 this Model 97 Silver Beach basically stayed unchanged in price and build style. If you found one with the original catalog, you could then date it according to the catalog issue; but, you would be assuming the reel and catalog belong together. I feel the lighter colored handle knobs were used on the later models; but, that is just my opinion. It is still an interesting pre-war Penn reel and being able to date from 1939 to 1942 is still a good historical place. It is a Pre-War reel, without a doubt.
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 18, 2018, 12:41:48 AM
Well another Coffee Can special just showed up 8). There's supposed to be two 140 Squidders in this pile ???. I have a spool enroute, so at least that part is covered, but the other spool is a Penn Synchronized Spool with the Air Brake fins, and has a chip missing from where the two halves join. Doesn't look fatal and a little JB Weld may fill the void. Gonna tear both down and start the rebuild. One will end up as a beater/loaner, but who knows until after the cleaning is done.....Bill
Bill, I have a LB 259 spool ana Baymaster180 spool, both plastic and both chipped like yours(only smaller chips). Must be line pressure damage from when they anchored on the line.
Gfish
Probably a dumb question, but, which war does the term "pre-war Penn" refer to? ???
Quote from: nelz on February 18, 2018, 06:55:19 PM
Probably a dumb question, but, which war does the term "pre-war Penn" refer to? ???
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World War 2, 1942 to 1945 for the U.S.A. 'Bout 1938 to 1945 for Europe et. al.
Please correct if inaccurate.
Gfish
Saw this Oceanside #85 with wooden knob in a antique store for $35.....is it worth it?
Looking at Mike's 3rd book you could x2 or x3 your money......Bill
I think I'm going to go try to get that reel so I can get a better look at it since a few people seem to think it's worth the asking price...
It was offered from 1934-1937..... if that helps brother.....bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 19, 2018, 05:05:44 AM
It was offered from 1934-1937..... if that helps brother.....bill
Thanks for the info Bill
The "OCEAN SIDE" reels were a take apart reel made 34-38 . The 300 yard model was the#85. Over the years there were 4 different yardages. All RARE reels.
The reel you pictured ( Oceanside) was introduced in 1941 as the #85 and was a different reel entirely at 250yards. Very common reel and only one size. In 1952 it became the Seaboy .
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15659.0
Info on the rare OCEAN SIDE reels. Note: they never had a star drag and were a take apart reel.
Have no idea why this seller labeled his Penn 85 an Ocean Side but it is not. There was a Penn Trade Reel labeled Ocean Side. That may be what this reel is. Listen to SUPERHOOK, he is giving good info.
I'm not a collector but thought if someone would want it I'd go get it but I guess i'll pass.....
Is there a list of rare/buy it if you find it for penn reels on this site?
There is no RARE list on any site for Penn reels.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on February 18, 2018, 07:43:26 AM
QuoteActually after a bit of research, Im thinking its a 1940. It has the hershey clicker. Can anyone confirm or deny and any other notable facts are appreciated
It falls into a time span rather than to say it is a particular year. I would say it could be anywhere from 1939 to 1942. I know that is a blanket statement; but, there is really no way to get closer without more pieces of the puzzle. Even if you had it in the box, it would still be a guess at its age. From 1939 to 1942 this Model 97 Silver Beach basically stayed unchanged in price and build style. If you found one with the original catalog, you could then date it according to the catalog issue; but, you would be assuming the reel and catalog belong together. I feel the lighter colored handle knobs were used on the later models; but, that is just my opinion. It is still an interesting pre-war Penn reel and being able to date from 1939 to 1942 is still a good historical place. It is a Pre-War reel, without a doubt.
Thank you very much for info. I did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping. Have a great day/night guys.
QuoteI did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping.
Yes, the spool is post 1953 approximately. For $10 you got a great deal.
Going on a road trip to Savannah tomorrow to pick up a dozen Penn combos from an estate sale sight unseen. All I know is that there are several Senators in the mix and this photo. Not a scam, I grew up with the fellow and he sent me the pic. My brother has already picked them up for me. Wish me luck.
Nice!!! ;D
Long enuff, that lot look good, should give you some joy, keep you entertained for some time, cheers Don.
Made it home with the bounty: three 113H maroon, one 113 4/0 black, one 112H maroon, a crusty 114H Blackie 6/0, Three black 6/0's, a Peer 109, Peer 309, and a Longbeach 68. All are completely functional, but nasty.
What kind of rods were they on? Were the black ones Harnell's?
They look like Magnuflex rods
The two all tan rods are Mohawk, the two with the green foam fore grips are "Ren-Troll Custom Rods Savannah, Ga. One of the black rods was a Magnaflex and the other a Montague.
I think I see two black Harnells. The two white blanks on the right side are almost certainly Magnaflex; i have the varmac / aftco versions. The honey gold blanks are very likely Magnaflex as well, that close to Florida. One Penn Senator rod. not sure about the rest. That's an AT haul right there that'll leave you sleepless in anticipation of vats of simple green, vinegar and Penn blue.
I think it'd be worthwhile for you to start a separate thread on this collection to document what you got and what you did. You might even find something historically significant under that patina. Just my .02.
John
Good idea John, I will do that when I get organized.
Quote from: wailua boy link=topic=15800.msg273894#msg273894 date
/quote]wailua boy,
Thank you very much for info. I did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping. Have a great day/night guys.
Dude!, Yours looks just like my 97, hershey clicker and all. Indeed the seller advertised it at it's earlist possible date:1939. So, where did you find the part number stamp on the spool, as I never saw one on mine. The usual place?
Gfish
hello everyone.. just would like to share what i have here... chance upon a variety store a saw this 112h on the shelf...caught my attention on the .. yup! the Power Handle... the store owner wanted P2,000.- for it, I showed him a P1000.- bill... he ask for another P500.- and he said he won't go lower.. soo... we shook hands... P1,500 .- $30 ... went home and gave her a good wipe with wd 40... a little bit on and off grindy upon cranking.... was it a good bargain?... here she is....
Hey Alan, that's a gorgeous reel for the price. Ya done good! You probably got it for a little more than half the going rate.
Alan that reel is not worthy nor does it belong in you collection....just send it to me and I will dispose of it.......in my display case ;D. Good reel and a good price brother.....Bill
Quote from: sdlehr on February 23, 2018, 01:08:19 AM
Hey Alan, that's a gorgeous reel for the price. Ya done good! You probably got it for a little more than half the going rate.
thank you Sir Sid... I think I did... hmmm... it Rhimes... hahaha..
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 23, 2018, 04:12:48 AM
Alan that reel is not worthy nor does it belong in you collection....just send it to me and I will dispose of it.......in my display case ;D. Good reel and a good price brother.....Bill
hahaha... I get a Kick out of you brother Bill !.... thanks... here's what I have so far on Penn Conventional's ...
6/0 4/0 309 two 3/0 ...
NIce set, all spotless! i would snag that 112H all day for $30, just for the handle. that's my favorite of the old skool. i only have one; i think it's the 24-56.
John
Nice reels!!!! ;D
Quote from: swill88 on February 24, 2018, 04:55:38 PM
The black bakelite has a touch of brown.
Yep...many early Monofils along with the Peers came in that dark brown color.
It looks great with a cream or off white handle knob. Great buy for $15! 8)
And, a squidder 145 jumped out of my mailbox today !! (My first one- I like this design) (squidder is the yellow handled one) Am I the only one that noticed these things multiplying when you park them too closely ?
That monofil looks pretty nice !! Please post pic once its polished up !!
Quote from: Carl L on February 25, 2018, 04:43:15 AM
That monofil looks pretty nice !! Please post pic once its polished up !!
Yes I will!
Quote from: Gfish on February 21, 2018, 10:40:44 PM
Quote from: wailua boy link=topic=15800.msg273894#msg273894 date
/quote]wailua boy,
Thank you very much for info. I did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping. Have a great day/night guys.
Dude!, Yours looks just like my 97, hershey clicker and all. Indeed the seller advertised it at it's earlist possible date:1939. So, where did you find the part number stamp on the spool, as I never saw one on mine. The usual place?
Gfish
yes, it was stamped in normal spot. The good part is the spool is immaculate, just too bad it wasn't original. It's funny I was just speaking to you about yours and about the next day, saw this one and had been looking for a while. I'm also looking for sailfisher in box as a gift for my old man, if you hear of one. Thanks
Woah!, A Sailfisher 130 ina box. Seems like a difficult find. Well, the info's out there now with your post. I've got spare parts for this'n if you need any(many specialized one's fer this reel, and are stamped "__-130").
Gfish
A real beauty Sheridan.
Great find.
Steve
Wow great find Sheridan!!!
Nice set, they are getting harder to find.
Well the wife can now be labeled an Enabler ::) She was at a local flea market this morning and called me saying they had a few Penns and wanted to know if I needed any ;) I asked her to send some pictures and asked her "how much are they asking?" She said $5 each :o :o I threw the dice and told her for $5 each "could I pleeeeaaassssseee have all of them?" ::) Much to my surprise she said yes!!!! (Im voting her for Saint Hood ;D) I couldnt wait to get home from work, there was a bucket on the work bench and inside found: 2 Beachmaster 155, a 140 Squidder, a Long Beach 68 and 60, a Senator 113, a Penn 180 and what Im assuming to be a Diawa of some sort.....Ohhh yeah I did stop off at the flower store for a bouquet of flowers for her and Im making dinner tonight too ;).....
Lucky guy! ;D
Excellent score Bill!! 8)
OUTSTANDING !!!
Wow... don't find a haul that nice very often!!!! I'm glad they went to a good "Ohana" home.
Oh yeah...good call on the flowers and dinner ;D
Brett
Nice, I know the feeling.
every now and then a blind squirrel finds a nut....or the sun shines on every dog's butt at some point...I'm from the South, I could keep going :)
great score my man, and kudos for the wife for spying it!
40 bucks and your wife becoming an enabler, doesn't get better than that Bill.
Goodonya mate! You must have been a very good boy lately.
Bill you are making us look bad. Now when i direct my wife to this thread we need to skip oage 63. Thanks alot... ;D
QuoteWell the wife can now be labeled an Enabler Roll Eyes She was at a local flea market this morning and called me saying they had a few Penns and wanted to know if I needed any Wink I asked her to send some pictures and asked her "how much are they asking?" She said $5 each Shocked Shocked I threw the dice and told her for $5 each "could I pleeeeaaassssseee have all of them?" Roll Eyes Much to my surprise she said yes!!!! (Im voting her for Saint Hood Grin) I couldnt wait to get home from work, there was a bucket on the work bench and inside found: 2 Beachmaster 155, a 140 Squidder, a Long Beach 68 and 60, a Senator 113, a Penn 180 and what Im assuming to be a Diawa of some sort.....Ohhh yeah I did stop off at the flower store for a bouquet of flowers for her and Im making dinner tonight too Wink.....
Five dollars each!! Did I just read Five dollars each?? Say it ain't so! Five dollars each?? Seems we are in the world of fiction here........... That is a deal from yesteryear.......... Congrats on the deal and having the prize winning wife of the year.
Thanks guys, I will pass this on to my wife....Yes Mike $5 each, and on my way to work this morning I had to go out to the garage just to make sure it wasnt a dream.... but then again I did pick up a NepTuna for $27 also ;D Happy Friday everyone Bill
Good catch Bill, if you find another good lady like that, send her over this way, Sheridan a 9/0 of that generation, great find, in good condition, & with the box as well, cheers Don.
Sheridan and Bill great finds. Bill give the wife a couple of bills and send her off to flea markets mor often. Dominick
Bill, does your wife have any unmarried sisters that'er like her?
Kiddin, I'm married already and my wife does buy alota gifts for me, but I'm prayin for her to get somethin like that.
Gfish I got the pick of the litter with my wife Lee 😎 I tore into a couple of the worst ones today the 68 and 60 LBs and they cleaned up pretty good. Showed them to the wife and she couldn't believe they were the same. She almost passed on them considering the condition, glad she didn't. Bill
A No 185 lighthouse, a No 85, a Regal Ocean Side, and a No 15 that appears identical to the regal. Regal must be a "trade" reel. The simple pull-out handle for free-spool is cool on the regal and 15..
The backside of the 185 and the regal..
I never saw it !! John Taylor
Quote from: 54bullseye on March 07, 2018, 12:00:20 AM
I never saw it !! John Taylor
Im glad!!! LOL
Its not worthy of being near your collection John.
I watched that one.. (good catch!)
Some one may have laid off it because they noticed it was you. ;)
Happy to see it went to a good home..
Clean her up and shelf her with the rest of your oldies.
Enjoy her,
That's a keeper for sure brother......glad it went to a good home...Bill
$31.50 for a 9/0...go out and buy a lottery ticket. Luck is smiling on you. Dominick
PENN 80 INTERNATIONAL
I have had this Penn International 80 in it's box for quite a few years and had forgotten the neat letters that came with it ! The reel is either a first or second year International you can see it has the early clicker knob that is just round with knurling around edges. These four letters are dated 1968 so reel could be a 1967 production. The guy wrote to Penn apparently looking for a shoulder harness and recommendations for a rod for his new reel. The first letter is Penn getting back to him. I think you should be able to click on pictures to blow them up. What I thought was cool is they recommended Harnell rods ! The next letter was the reel owner getting back to Penn ordering a harness and a Harnell rod !!
The third letter is "Ashway line co" getting back to him with info on there line and the forth was the reel owner again ordering the line that is on the reel now !! He also got a needle for splicing.
I don't think he used the reel much if ever as it is about perfect and I stripped line off and spool is also perfect !! I wanted to leave line on because of the story. I also have box and paper work for this reel. These are the things I really enjoy about reel collecting like finding out the past owners name and where he lived "Michigan" ???? not a lot of use for an 80 International there !!! I know this reel isn't all that old but it's a cool package and one of my best finds!!
Thanks for looking !! John Taylor
last two letters
That is very cool. Great find. Dominick
He was probably planning on making it out to the ocean for vacations. Perhaps he never made it out. :-\
Awesome package with all that "provenance".
John,
Absolutely fantastic provenance to go with that great Int. 80.
I have saved your letters for possible future use if that would be all right with you.
Thanks,
Mike C.
Way cool John. I particularly like the Ashaway letters.
-steve
Yeah Mike you can use them for whatever ! Are you guys able to blow up the pictures of the letters ?? They won't blow up for me ? John Taylor
Thanks for posting John. I could read them fine on my I phone. That's some old school customer service. Don't see that to much today
Looks like an item on his bucket list that he never checked off. Could picture him sitting on his couch,cold blowing snow planning a fishing trip of a lifetime to some exotic local
What a great package
I never noticed those early round/knurled clicker knobs before. I always thought a full set of first year Internationals would make a great display. We had a group of 15-30 guys that trailers our boats to the GOM, and MX throughout the 1970s, and early 80s from Minnesota to fish Pelagics, so it's not unheard of for m8dwestern boys to fish Marlin, Tuna, Wahoo, and Dolphinfish.
;)
Cool letters!
Thanks for sharing!
John
I think they're related...
Quote from: Carl L on March 08, 2018, 01:12:00 AM
No pesky drag washers to replace.. just use your thumbs...
Yeah, but the model 15 has the high class free spool feature. Pull the handle out to disengage the main from the pinion. Does anyone know what that clutch design is called?
-steve
Carl, you keep sneaking peeks of vintage stereo equipment in with your reels. Maybe we need an audiophile board? ;D
Haha Decker, that's normally where I prop my feet while "tinkering" in my shack.. It is also the only clear spot to take pics in the whole room!! It is mayhem in there, but I know where 99 percent of the stuff is... its kinda like a hermit crabs cage, the mountains just move around every few days. P.s. the kenwood receiver was under $40 delivered from ebay.. 20 watts true rms.. and the eq is used to tailor incoming amateur (ham) radio audio.
So, playing on Ebay late again, And I come across a "lot" of penn reels. Obviously, This perked my interest as I only had 12 vintage reels in my collection (now 27 hehe..) I did the math, price including shipping was $4.33 each Woohoo !! Pics are the new guys "as I found them"
Nice Haul, looks like a white mitchell too. My pictures come out upside down too sometimes, have no idea why. Looks like you'll be busy!! Sometimes you get lucky and find a real sleeper in those groups.
You know you're running low on space when...
Tinkering with reels in my auto repair shop and my buddy sends me this...
Carl,That's some funny stuff right there!!!
Breft
Edit: Brett😀...sometimes I forget my own name...or maybe I was laughing while typing ?
I got a lot of laughs from that
-4° ... Polled my wife and kids.
Found this Long Beach 60 for the price of a pizza. Although I'd used 60's on party boat rentals, I've never owned a Long Beach before. What interested me in the 60 was a recent thread that Lee started about the newer Seaboy reels. The 60 and SB185 have some interchangeable parts: base, bars and spool, which sparks franken-reel imagination. I am really impressed with this one! First thing I noticed was stainless steel spacer bars. They look stock, but I didn't know that Penn sold their reels with SS bars. Am I dreaming, or are the rings stainless too? Haven't opened it up, but I can't imagine there will be any disappointment. Anyone have one like this?
Here are the two brothers together, 185 on the left, 60 on the right:
Looks like the spool on your 60 is stainless too.I have a 65 the same vintage as yours, but it now has a stainless 30-66 stand and an alloy spool.
Basto
Those 2/0 senators are Sherman tanks.
Wailua Boy,
It's a late 40's reel. Looks all original but the handle is kinda unique as it has very rounded ends like the 60's big game power reel handles.
Nice find and great reel,
Dom
PS- she just needs a handle nut screw. ;)
just got this two 113h reels from I friend that had these reels without any use since few years ago,
one is a narrow 113h with tiburon frame in really good shape and by the sound the gears and the fast retrieve they're surely newell gears, according the the original owner everything works, it just need a good service.
the other one its a 113h std size with Accuframe an accuplates, the matching red handle sideplate is shot, way too much corrosion internally that the owner had to found a black handle side accuplate for it (now it looks like those blemish avets LOL), I havent opened the reel yet to check how the accuplates look internally, they are suposedly in good shape, the reel is missing some springs, yoke and small bits but the SS accurate gears and handle are there, even if the two sideplates are shot the accuframe looks in great shape.
looks like a nice pair of projects (when the time allows)
Sweet reels my brothers....Bill
"Stole" this "Sail Fisher 180" from the Internet recently. It kinda resembles a 180 with harness lugs :) The seller included some copied Penn catalog data (attached below) showing it side by side with a Super-Mariner 49. According to that literature, at $19 retail, the 130 out-values the 49M by just 50 cents. Also it has a 3:1 retrieve versus the 3.5:1 of the Super Mariner. It will clean up very nicely. I'm wondering if this reel could prove useful for deeper party boat fishing off the coast of NJ. No shelf-queens in my herd!
Nice score. ;)
I think I was watching that one. If it's the same one you did good. Been trying to find a Shelfie for awhile. That one will be a great user
Decker, wheres the copied penn catalog data ??? Pic did'nt show up... please...
Quote from: Carl L on March 29, 2018, 01:01:04 AM
Decker, wheres the copied penn catalog data ??? Pic did'nt show up... please...
Carl, it's easy to miss the PDF link, right here: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg279730#msg279730
A while back I was watching a recording of the 'Salvage Hunters' (Quest Channel) - When I caught a glimpse of sparkling chrome in a display cabinet - replayed the clip a few times - yep there she was :)
It transpired that Drew (The Salvage Hunter) was only interested in the brass framed display case - silly man :D
The TV program could have been filmed up to a year ago so I wasn't expecting the shop to still have the reel.
Anyway - long story short - I phoned them and yep they still had it. A few emails and photos later plus a bit of haggling and we agreed a price, subject to viewing.
It hadn't been fished much, i doubt it has ever seen a screwdriver (the screw heads were perfect!). After removing the line there was a bit of rash on the spool that would probably clean up nicely. The only other thing was a slightly torqued handle (that will straighten).
So here is my latest a lovely Penn 115.
That's a great story!
Wow, that doesn't happen often. Way to go!
Brett
Wow! You're my hero!
steve
Good find !!
Well done! 8)
I scored this sweet boxed 165 for $32.75 shipped! It's not mine...I was just the buyer. My brother was out of town on business so I bought for him. The listing didn't say the box was stuffed, it only showed the box and reel. Needless to say my brother was stoked. 8)
Nice reel Mo, but I think your brother got ripped off....the price on the box says $6 ;) ;)
Great find on that 9/0 Chris. ;)
That is pretty unbelievable that you saw that reel on a show and chased it down.
Man on a Mission. ;)
Mike, how does that Penn oil look after all these years?
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on March 31, 2018, 06:32:23 AM
Mike, how does that Penn oil look after all these years?
-steve
If I'm remembering correctly Steve it was still sealed! There was no pin hole in the tin...she's unopened.
Daron - it took a couple of weeks to nail it - but mission acomplished :)
Nice reel Chris, good story, about 3 weeks ago I brought a 9/0, a Penn 333GTI self level reel and a Okooma T20L, for Au $50.00 the lot, the 9/0 polished up a bit rough, internally all good, do me to fish with, Nice reel Mike, happy brother alright, I would be to. cheers Don.
Beautiful example of the 165, Mo. Steal of a deal too!
Your bro scored handsomely! ;)
Enjoy,
Dom
Found these three at a bargain, figured if 1 out of 3 worked I'd be happy and salvage the remainder for parts. Got an 85 Seaboy and two 285 Delmars in the mail this afternoon.
The Delmar with the green handle knob was seized up, after removing the side plate, saw the reason very quickly. Crack plastic spool. Whoever used it last had been running some thick mono on it, at least 50 lb test. Other than the bad spool everything else inside looks good and it's pretty clean.
The other two reels feel pretty good, especially the 85.
Nothing really valuable here, these probably didn't cost over 5 or 6 bucks off the shelf when new, but I like the simpler Penns such as the Peerless No 9, the 209, 309, and the 350M. Rebuilding these non-level wind reels should be much easier.
Nothing fatal brother.....good find....Bill
Recently stumbled onto this old low budget common Penn 711
It's been sitting for over 40 years on a backroom shelf at my local tackle shop and the old lube is gummed up so bad it barely turns. Servicing will have to wait until this fall when things slow down a bit for me. Till then its still ok to look at
Is that the original paint Ted? If so, it's not so common.
-steve
A black 711 looking that good? Wow, not common and quite valuable. Nice find!
Quote from: oc1 on April 06, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Is that the original paint Ted? If so, it's not so common.
-steve
Hi Steve, it is original factory black on this 711
Ted
Black, no chips and a medallion. Maybe closer to 50 years on the shelf. Really nice.
-steve
Smooth finish black, model 711. $250 reel, easy; but, you must know that..................<:O)
Quote from: Penn Chronology on April 06, 2018, 10:41:37 PM
Smooth finish black, model 711. $250 reel, easy; but, you must know that..................<:O)
Hello Mike, I'm no spinning reel guy. I tend to distance myself from them, but if someone hands me any Penn reel for FREE I wont turn them down. I've had black 710 hanging from the ceiling at our bar for over 15 years. It's my land of misfit toys storage facility :D :D
Great find,,,,,Nice black 711 ;D
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 06, 2018, 04:22:28 AM
Recently stumbled onto this old low budget common Penn 711
Low budget?...common?...a black 711??? A wise guy eh?
If you buy on ebay it happens,,,i got a 37 Seahawk- atlantic,,,or something but you can't win everytime ;D
QuoteThis is a learning lesson. Always look at ALL the pictures before you jump on a $15 "too good to be true" reel LOL. Seller listed as a Long Beach but with primary pic of Bridge City head plate. I hit buy it now before I bothered reading description or looking at all the pictures. So now I am the proud owner of a Penn "Long City"
That was fantastic buy. I could probably make a Bridge City and a Long Beach from my parts bin and have two reels for the super low price of one. Great deal!!
There is a
"Penn Long Reach" on ebay right now, no telling what treasure is next. ;D
Quote from: festus on April 09, 2018, 05:30:23 AM
There is a "Penn Long Reach" on ebay right now, no telling what treasure is next. ;D
I hear it's a super-far caster! ;D
Found this assortment of five in the mailbox this afternoon, shipped from The Sunshine State. 4/0 Senator, 209, 145 Squidder, 155 Beachmaster and the 85 Sea Boy. I ordered these mostly for the Beachmaster and Squidder, I've heard they are fairly good casters. You don't see many Penn conventionals in East TN, maybe a Fathom or Squall, maybe a 209 once in a blue moon, mostly used by catfisherman. Not sure I had ever seen a Senator, Squidder, or Beachmaster "in the flesh" lol, maybe in Panama City or Daytona Beach years ago. I'm really impressed with the Squidder, it has the old brass over chrome spool, so I need to find a lighter one eventually. The Squidder, Beachmaster, and Senator are in fair shape, they have definitely been fished. The 209 either hadn't been fished much or well taken care of. The old Sea Boy is the only nasty one but it seems to be fully functional. Only thing obviously not working is the anti-reverse on the Senator. The pic doesn't do them justice, they can be cleaned and fished.
I'm accumulating a fair little collection of Penn conventionals. Also have a Surfmaster 200 and Jigmaster S on the way. Before I joined this group last summer the only Penns I had was an old 79 I used as a teenager and a Long Beach 68 I traded a pocketknife for a few years ago.
Hey Festus,
You are about at the point to get Mike's book on Penn Chronology and history if you keep piling up these halls :) The Squidder ruled the roost for surfcasting for decades after it's inception in the 1930's. The Surfmaster is essentially a bearing model Squidder and shares many parts; it was to get a cheaper alternative to the working man. The Beachmaster is the lower end, non-take-apart model; spools are interchangeable with Baymaster (with stand and bars to fit), and Surfmasters accordingly. Some innards differ. The 145 is a great size and one I've been wanting, having built a few 160's (Beachmaster) and 150's (Surfmaster in that width. There is an "L" spool for it and you will probably find it to be your favorite caster of the bunch with 20-25 mono; you should easily toss over a hundred yards with a matched stick. Certainly not too much reel not to be fun on cats and stripers up there in Clinch country! I'm a fan of the Louis L'Amour Sackett novels which had a big history in that area. Plus it's next door to me (I'm in NC). Keep us posted on the clean-up job.
John
Quote from: festus on April 09, 2018, 08:43:00 PM
Not sure I had ever seen a Senator, Squidder, or Beachmaster "in the flesh".
This sounds so familiar Festus...I have said the same thing a few times. I grew up fishing 209s, 309s, and Longbeaches. They were the only Penns we ever saw in southern Ohio. I almost fell out the first time I held a Senator, it was like a religious experience! John is dead on right about that Squidder 145...right there is a dandy catfishing reel! Even the smallest of the Penns (Levelmatics, Baymaster 180s, Squidder 146 and Surfmaster 150) make great river reels. They are light and easy to tote down through the rocks and rip rap. You can narrow that 155 Beachmaster to either a 160 or 180. Lots of options with that buy...enjoy! 8)
I just picked up this LB65 it's stamped 250yds with wooden handle. It's the first I've seen with this type of handle
W-Boy,
Long Beach 60 is 250 yd. Long Beach 65 is 300yd.
Chris,
Nice buy on that "Long City" ...easy fix and what a beauty you will have. The handle is worth more than $15 alone.
Dom
Got this Delmar? Around what year made,,Hershey clicker,,,no part numbers
Quote from: thorhammer on April 09, 2018, 09:03:43 PM
Hey Festus,
You are about at the point to get Mike's book on Penn Chronology and history if you keep piling up these halls :)
I've been curious about that book, saw online that is out of stock right now but definietly interested.
Quote from: thorhammer on April 09, 2018, 09:03:43 PM
Certainly not too much reel not to be fun on cats and stripers up there in Clinch country! I'm a fan of the Louis L'Amour Sackett novels which had a big history in that area. Plus it's next door to me (I'm in NC). Keep us posted on the clean-up job.
BTW, unless I'm fishing ponds, 90% of my fishing is either the Clinch River or its tributaries, Emory River, Little Emory River, and Poplar Creek. The Clinch River is full of big stripers, cats, and muskies. A 30-40 lb striper doesn't even arouse curiousity after that 60+ pounder was caught over at Bull Run Steam Plant. Plenty of 50" muskes in the same area. Been gobs of 70 and 80 lb blues and flatheads caught out of the Emory.
Got this Jigmaster S in the mail today. Looks good, is smooth, but it's got one of them durn chrome over brass spools. Also cleaned up the Beachmaster and Squidder yesterday. They"re in the back of the pic
Am I mistaken Wailuaboy on your new acquisition, or does the head-plate say "65"? Easy to see the tailplate is a "60". The width does look "60 size". I personally like the narrower 60 size for strength purposes.
Festus, the 500s did have a red aluminium spool. I think it mighta been a 50 yr. anniversary edition(1983?). Might be hard to get one...
Got this old rough 200 Surfmaster in mail today. I was taking it apart, heard someone coming up the driveway. Some man was lost, looking for a residence to buy a refrigerator. When I got up the spool rolled into the floor. Thought nothing about it. After I got back to what I was doing noticed when the spool fell, two chips were knocked out. Plastic of course. >:(
Quote from: festus on April 12, 2018, 06:58:56 PM
Got this old rough 200 Surfmaster in mail today. I was taking it apart, heard someone coming up the driveway. Some man was lost, looking for a residence to buy a refrigerator. When I got up the spool rolled into the floor. Thought nothing about it. After I got back to what I was doing noticed when the spool fell, two chips were knocked out. Plastic of course. >:(
Yeah, those bake-lite spools are in the most danger when out of the reel. I might have one to give if you want to replace with the same. There is also a stainless model and an aluminum one, in addition to the chromed brass.
Thanks Decker, I might take you up on that. I checked Scott at mysticparts and their aluminum spools $35.85 plus shipping. I could buy 4 or 5 of these reels for that much. ::) Gimme some time to look around for a budget aluminum spool somewhere else or a donor reel which has one.
The only malfunction with this reel was the anti-reverse wasn't working. After I tore it down there was no flat dog spring. I should have some of those.
Best bet for getting a 29L-200 (aluminum) spool is to find one on a reel. I don't see many loose ones around. I Just bought a 155 Beachmaster with that spool for less than the cost of a used spool. I may be putting the spool on a Penn 350 :)
Yep, that's what I've been doing, buying junk reels for replacement.
I'll take the plastic spool, Decker, if you can find it. Will save me more looking because I also need spools for two other models besides the Surfmaster. I'll gladly pay postage plus send a contribution by Paypal or money order. I am accumulating a quantity of Penn parts so maybe I'll have something you need in the future.
Matter of fact I have a Penn 350 with a metal spool, it isn't the chrome or brass, not sure.
Thanks out to Joe (Decker) for sending me a 29-155 spool to replace the plastic one I broke last week. Thought I was going to have a problem because it wouldn't jive with my Surfmaster 200. It fit, but after reassembly the handles would hang up at the 2:00 o'clock position. Easy to solve that problem, I took the spool from my Beachmaster 155 and put it in the Surfmaster and it worked perfectly. Then I put the 29-155 spool from Joe in my Beachmaster and it worked fine.
I didn't care for the chrome over brass spool that came with my Jigmaster 500S last week so I ordered an old salt crusted Jigmaster on the cheap and got it in the mail yesterday. Swapped out the lighter aluminum spool from the junk reel into my 500S and am very happy with the results.
BTW, what kind of line is this on my Beachmaster? I put this reel on a 6-1/2' Heavy action BBBG rod and it casts very well, but this line will sure take the hide from your thumb. :o
Looks like braided linen. Thats what came on my 155.
Looks more like 18 lb test sand colored braided nylon squiding line.
If it's braided linen, it's probably some "vintage" stuff. Been lookin for some a that for me & my son's vintage rigs. Me, a Montague "Stone Harbor" split bamboo-"Geniune Tonkin"- a region in China I think, with famously good bamboo) boat rod with a LB 65 Deluxe reel, and him a Montague ? split bamboo boat rod witha LB 60. If you wanna get rida that hide remover line( that is, if it's linen) lemme know via PM.
A close-up photo. maybe?
I showed the line to my wife and she says it's linen. She should know, she is an expert on fibers, spinning, weaving, etc, used to raise sheep, alpacas, and llamas. Whatever it is, I've never seen any 'round these parts. Gfish, I got strict orders if I ever take it off the reel, she wants it. :-\
Gotta 10-4 that!
I've never seen braided linen and would have guessed nylon squidding line too. It's easy enough to tell though. Just burn the end. A hard plastic glob means nylon. An ash that you can flick away means linen or silk. If it stretches it's nylon. If it doesn't stretch it's dacron, linen or silk.
Gfish, they stopped making natural fiber fishing line about seventy years ago. Getting natural fiber to keep it's strength that long requires some really good preservation. The line would need to be stored better than most WWII uniforms were. Some of the line you find being passed around on old reels will break at about half the original strength, and some is worse. Braided nylon squidding line would be period appropriate for a rod and reel post-1937. There were a lot of split bamboo rods being built then. The LB are probably post-1937.
If you are going to fish with those rigs, you can buy new braided nylon squidding that is just like the original. It's made the same way. Mason Tackle has it.
If the rigs are for display only, I can send you enough twisted Cuttyhunk linen for a top shot that will cover the backing. I don't have enough to fill a reel though.
-steve
Gfish, check your email, I have a spool, yours if you want it, PM your address and I'll sent it
Festus, note leveline 350, 200, 155 spools are interchangeable, as are a lot of the internals.
This is a 60 long Beach just as I found it.
Joe
Joe, I like that Long Beach, especially with a SS spool. Yours will clean up very nicely. Mine is a later version and has SS posts and base as well. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070) Those 60s are little tanks, and I wish we could find a way to get them to a higher gear ratio than 2.5:1 :)
Quote from: Decker on April 18, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
Joe, I like that Long Beach, especially with a SS spool. Yours will clean up very nicely. Mine is a later version and has SS posts and base as well. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070) Those 60s are little tanks, and I wish we could find a way to get them to a higher gear ratio than 2.5:1 :)
Joe: I cleaned that reel up a wile ago, It out great. I'm sure that a gear can be found to bring the ratio up just got to experiment with gears that are made by Penn. I have so much work to do on other reels and rods that I can't take time out right now to mess around with that.
Our boat is coming next week and it needs work on the motor so that will take a lot of time, we want to get in the water this season if not next. I don't want to be stuck on shore fishing any longer then we have too. I am going to try to go Black Drum fishing with my friend this month also. That's when the 112H will get a workout. ;D
Joe-two
A beauty! What size Senator is that? I just saw something similar and posted information in the For Sale forum.
It's a 16/0 with part numbers. I was hoping it was earlier but nope !! John Taylor
Quote from: oc1 on April 18, 2018, 05:31:01 AM
I've never seen braided linen and would have guessed nylon squidding line too. It's easy enough to tell though. Just burn the end. A hard plastic glob means nylon. An ash that you can flick away means linen or silk. If it stretches it's nylon. If it doesn't stretch it's dacron, linen or silk.
Gfish, they stopped making natural fiber fishing line about seventy years ago. Getting natural fiber to keep it's strength that long requires some really good preservation. The line would need to be stored better than most WWII uniforms were. Some of the line you find being passed around on old reels will break at about half the original strength, and some is worse. Braided nylon squidding line would be period appropriate for a rod and reel post-1937. There were a lot of split bamboo rods being built then. The LB are probably post-1937.
If you are going to fish with those rigs, you can buy new braided nylon squidding that is just like the original. It's made the same way. Mason Tackle has it.
If the rigs are for display only, I can send you enough twisted Cuttyhunk linen for a top shot that will cover the backing. I don't have enough to fill a reel though.
-steve
Thanks to both Steve and Sheridan(that's a great 1st name, story?, also my favorite town in Wyoming). Got some Mason Squidding line from my favorite old school Island tackle shop: you know, dark, smells a little like mildew, many overfilled shelves 'n racks, lots of old stuff, mis-priced items, love that place!
PM sent Sheridan
Quote from: 54bullseye on April 18, 2018, 09:00:18 PM
It's a 16/0 with part numbers. I was hoping it was earlier but nope !! John Taylor
Cool! Well worth it IMHO. Imagine what old smells your dog is picking up on... What kinda line do think it's got on it?
John part of me says leave it as is and hang her up.
Then again another part of me wants to clean her up.
Just back from Savannah with my latest tub full. Please excuse the non pedigree intruders.
Bill
Nice haul !!
Saw that one pop up, John. I gave it a hard look because of the harnell but couldn't get to the sellers number. The starting bid would've been my max but you do amazing things with rods and nice work with reels so I have no doubt you can do it. Can't believe you got it so fast... you must live down the block from the seller, lol.
Enjoy Your project... looking forward to seeing the results.
Dom
Damn that looks good!!
Dom you might be thinking of the other harnell that sold last week for $595.
John, you did quite a job on that rod, as usual I'm impressed. Please tell me the secret to getting the grips white again? I have one Harnell and was only able to get it deeent with various cleaning supplies of the trade. I'm sure you'll get the Reel to respectable so make sure you show us what you've done when it's done. You were very smart for not having that shipped. You can rest assure it's a two piece package and not 22 pieces when it arrives.
Chris, this is the combo I was talking about, as I knew John got it lickety split in near impossible shipping time.
Sweet job,
Dom
Quote from: broadway on April 19, 2018, 10:40:19 PM
John, you did quite a job on that rod, as usual I'm impressed. Please tell me the secret to getting the grips white again? I have one Harnell and was only able to get it deeent with various cleaning supplies of the trade. I'm sure you'll get the Reel to respectable so make sure you show us what you've done when it's done. You were very smart for not having that shipped. You can rest assure it's a two piece package and not 22 pieces when it arrives.
Chris, as you can see this is the combo I was talking about, as I knew John got it luckily split in near impossible shipping time.
Sweet job,
Dom
This is what I have found works great on those white Harnell grips. You have to go over them a few times but it whitens them up good.
John Taylor
Good old bleach! I wrap a small towel around them with rubber bands, pour the bleach on the towel and let it sit over night if they're really bad. A few I've done twice, gets them really white.
That Harnell looks Great John.
I will have one of them one day.
Good score on that combo.
You got the magic touch my man. ;)
Nice John.
Speaking of Harnell and drifting off topic, I recently bought a really beat up Harnell spinning rod. The cork was bad, the guides were bad and the wraps were bad, the O-ring was missing from the ferrule. Ok with me because I just wanted the blank (640). Everything was stripped off of it and the ferrule was glued shut. While pulling on a gold thread and letting the rod spin in my hand to unwrap it (you know how you do), the gold thread turned red for a foot or so and then turned gold again. One continuous piece of thread. The red was a trim band in front of the fore grip like the lower rod in Johns photo above. I couldn't tell if it was dyed that way on the thread spool, or if it was dyed as the rod was being wrapped, or if the red was added after it was wrapped. Also, the blank was a brown phenolic resin tobacco rod that had been coated or painted black. My memory of Harnell blanks from the late 1960's is that were a dark greyish black to the core. Curious.
-steve
You guys are the best! Two guesses what I'm doing this weeekend ;)
Thank you much
Dom
I have quite a few Harnells, they are all coated black over brown glass. The gold is tape,must have been degraded and came off like thread.
Quote from: Swami805 on April 20, 2018, 12:27:47 PM
The gold is tape,must have been degraded and came off like thread.
No, it was not the tape. I said gold but it was the usual yellow/gold nylon thread. I pulled a piece out of the trash and took a picture.
-steve
I love it John!!! Awesome job!!
Looks great ;D
Very nice John, you got the marshmallow almost blinding white.
Really nice work, John. I'm glad I didn't get that combo because I couldn't have brought that rod back to life like you have.
The reel came out great for what it was just last week. ;)
Those grips came out silly good.
Thanks for showing
Dom
Dom is a good guy for not buying it out from under you.
Really classy and a really classic combo. It epitomizes a time. Nice work as always John.
-steve
Thanks ! I am going to put original line back on and hanger up. John Taylor
Well done!
Looks fabulous !
really nice work John, thanks for showing us, cheers Don.
That is a brilliant job John welldone that man!
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on April 22, 2018, 04:28:26 PM
That is a brilliant job John welldone that man!
I think BRILLIANT is a strech !! Lol !
Man, me and Dom missed out on a GREAT rig!! I cant stop looking at it!!
Sometimes you find them like this.
Can't wait to look inside.
Only thing done so far is rub off a little old brown grease from the handle nut.
Coupon for a roll of film. Anybody every redeem one of these?
The back of the coupon.
As soon as I remember where I put my new T60XN we will get to see how it looks.
tbc... steve
Nice looking 6/0 Steve . I like the Penn Reel Fishing Adventure Contest ! Are you tearing that one down for the narrow kit ?? John Taylor
Steve, you think the "1964" on the film coupon dates the reel? Where'd you get that beauty?
Quote from: Gfish on April 23, 2018, 03:57:11 AM
Steve, you think the "1964" on the film coupon dates the reel? Where'd you get that beauty?
Great questions Greg. Got the reel on the big site with a bid I never thought could win. Surprise.
This is my first time attempt at dating a reel.
No idea if the coupon really came from this box because it also came with two catalogs, 35B & 36B, both printed in the 70's.
Looking at Cat. No. 26, copyright 1964 it says
NEW! THE SPECIAL SENATORS.. Says red plates but, are they maroon?
My question; did Penn distinguish maroon from red?
Steve
Whatever year it is it's a beauty. Nice score
Quote from: 54bullseye on April 22, 2018, 09:10:37 PM
Nice looking 6/0 Steve . I like the Penn Reel Fishing Adventure Contest ! Are you tearing that one down for the narrow kit ?? John Taylor
Thanks John. Here it is.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=25150.msg283344#msg283344
Steve
got some work to do with these guys
both have plastic spools but one of them is broken, time to look for a aluminum one
Steve,
That looks like a first year package to me... Sure is a fine example of one, too.
Nice find,
Dom
Nice find Steve...a real score
John Taylor, your restoration skills are phenominal. I have no doubt there were countless hours involved.
Ted
I got a deal on a few internationals. Here's one of them, a 20 dated to 1984. It looks to be just a narrow 30.
You guys are finding some really cool reels. Steve's 114H is incredible...what a score! 8)
That's a nice Surfmaster. Old, good condition, and a cool speckled spool.
-steve
Quote from: 54bullseye on April 22, 2018, 09:10:37 PM
Nice looking 6/0 Steve . I like the Penn Reel Fishing Adventure Contest ! Are you tearing that one down for the narrow kit ?? John Taylor
Thanks John... it was my plan to use this reel with the narrow frame and spool but, after the comments from you knowledgeable collectors, maybe I should keep this one original and pristine. I've got another one, a maroon model that has already seen some action but the plates are nice. Rings aren't too nice.. It has a Newell stand (with a clamp now thanks to Randy) and a Newell spool. So I need another one???
Am I on the right path?
Steve
Yes you are Steve.
That is a very nice Surfmaster.
I would leave it as is.
The rings are hard to find in good shape on a cheap Surfmaster, Beachmaster or Monofil.
I would pick another candidate for narrowing. JMO
Picked up this old Squidder 140 for a parts reel for eight bucks. Other than being very stiff to crank, everything worked, including the lever to kick it out of anti-reverse. I took it apart, everything was there, but had a hard time getting out one old rusty post screw that had been replaced with one twice the length as the original.
I had intended to bag this up for parts, but since everything is here, maybe I'll clean the exterior up some more and put her back together and use it.
BTW, that leather piece to save thumb hide was made by Pflueger.
Nice. Thatll be more than parts reel when you are done!
Quote from: festus on April 25, 2018, 09:29:01 PM
Picked up this old Squidder 140 for a parts reel for eight bucks.
Just the main gear alone is worth the eight bucks...all the rest is more icing on the cake. If you can polish up the side plates, all the rest can be replaced with better chrome if needed. I was thinking, for your style fishing(pretty much same as mine), you could slap those side plates on a Tiburon P16 frame(Squidder 146 width), get a spool, and have a great catfish/striper reel. Whatever you do with it, that's a good buy. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on April 26, 2018, 03:07:02 AM
Quote from: festus on April 25, 2018, 09:29:01 PM
Picked up this old Squidder 140 for a parts reel for eight bucks.
Just the main gear alone is worth the eight bucks...all the rest is more icing on the cake. If you can polish up the side plates, all the rest can be replaced with better chrome if needed. I was thinking, for your style fishing(pretty much same as mine), you could slap those side plates on a Tiburon P16 frame(Squidder 146 width), get a spool, and have a great catfish/striper reel. Whatever you do with it, that's a good buy. 8)
Under a strong magnifying glass those gears look fine. I like to keep stuff stock, but admit I have been checking out lots of these modification posts. Does anybody make a frame in orange? 8)
Never seen orange but who knows? I think Pro Challenger is fixing to make a run of aluminum spools, he did orange for the 501 spools, Might do orange for the 146. Would be nice if someone made a faster gear for that reel. Nice score for that kind of money,about a cup of coffee and a danish.
Cortez Conversions 146 kit if you want to go to hog wild, newell aluminum parts work well too. Lots of options or just clean it up and fish it as it is, really can't go wrong with that reel.
I'm beginning to like these small Penns. Beachmaster, Squidder, and Surfmaster especially. Never really considered a Jigmaster a small reel, and haven't gotten around to spooling line on my newly acquired 500S.
Before I joined this group last August, I only had four Penns. An old Sea Mate 79, a couple of old Peerless 9m and a Long Beach 68. Never really cared for the non-level wind reels until recently, was pretty much an Abu purist. But Penns can be had for a fraction of an Abu.
Last week was the first time I'd tried casting the Beachmaster 155 and Surfmaster 200. I was impressed by both, especially the lowly Beachmaster.
So I decided to get one of the even smaller reels, a Beachmaster 160. The seller said this reel had been serviced last fall, and was about a scale of 5 on cosmetics and an 8 or 9 on mechanics. He was correct. I removed the tail plate and it was very clean inside. I don't care that much about looks, this reel will be used for fishing. All it needed was a wipedown on the outside.
Next week I should also get a Baymaster 180 in the mail. Maybe I'm getting one of those minor mental issues? ::)
Coincidentally, I just received a baymaster 180 today, not bad for $13.
Festus, by the time you realize you may have a problem, it's too late. Embrace the Darkside, you are among friends 🤣. Bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 29, 2018, 12:51:59 AM
Festus, by the time you realize you may have a problem, it's too late. Embrace the Darkside, you are among friends 🤣. Bill
Yep...what Bill said...and that 160 beachmaster rocks. 8)
Lose 160's are nice small reels, I use reels that size for 20lb mono for hailbut fishing. I put a big 29-49 handle (if I'm not mistaken about this one) on them for more power since mostly I'm casting a short distance under the pier and the added power from the handle length is helpful to put the wood to them and keep them out of the pilings. I also use a soft 10'12' rod to cast under handed. Not for everyone but that long handle comes in handy in some applications.
If you're looking for a shelfy they pop up with the old boxes pretty regular and the prices on them are pretty reasonable too.
Cool little reel, nice score, blue handle to boot.
Another late night eBay genius move. A whopping $20 shipped and got it today. This is exactly as it came penn 150. No prts numbers but just a lttlte bit of tlc right? Guy swears everything is there and it has a stell gear. Be gone for the weekend so I'll see what I can do next week
Oh yeah a picture
Got this today too. Absolutely mint 6/0 with beautiful dark maroon plates. No a scratch on the chrome
Be using this for my narrow kit so if anyone is in need of an aluminum 6/0 spool graphite bars, reel seat and clamp let me know. Pictured next to a CC yts to show how dark the plates are
Sometimes you win sometimes well?
Looks like a late forties model (surfmaster 150). If all the parts are there I'm sure you can get it it purring again.
Plenty of vinegar and simple green and you'll be all set.
Have fun!
Dom
PS- the worse off a Reel is the better it feels when you get her to look respectable and function properly.
Got my first mottled spool model. This reel is in great shape and under $15.
Anybody know if this is the proper stand?
Steve
Nice score Steve. I believe that stand is correct, it's the 180 freshwater stand. 8)
Hi All I have a question regarding Penn 49 click button 36-60. Please see attached photo. I haven't seen this type / shape in the 49 reel before. Is it something someone has seen before on these reels ??
Regards
AC49
Hmm, interesting, almost looks like someone filed the edges into that shape... ???
Those crop up now and the on a few reels from that time period. I asked the same question awhile ago but can't find the post. Not super rare and on a few smaller reels too. Nice find and worth having in your collection
Quote from: AC49 on May 14, 2018, 06:44:48 PM
Hi All I have a question regarding Penn 49 click button 36-60. Please see attached photo. I haven't seen this type / shape in the 49 reel before. Is it something someone has seen before on these reels ??
Regards
AC49
That hex click button showed up on early 40's reels...you'll see them on the Sea Gates. Apparently they made it onto some 49s too.
I have a "just as you found it" score here myself. This 349H popped on fleabay for $25 or best offer. I offered $15...the seller countered with $20...shipped it was a total of $28. Very seldom can you get a reel this clean for 28 bucks, unless Ted is asleep, HA!!! 8)
Quote from: Swami805 on May 14, 2018, 07:48:21 PM
Those crop up now and the on a few reels from that time period.
Thanks for the info, but what time period are we referring to Swami805 ?
Mike just sold one with that hex clicker. '42 (or thereabouts) I believe is the year for these clickers.
Nice find,
Dom
PS- Mo strikes again!
Quote from: AC49 on May 14, 2018, 06:44:48 PM
Hi All I have a question regarding Penn 49 click button 36-60. Please see attached photo. I haven't seen this type / shape in the 49 reel before. Is it something someone has seen before on these reels ??
Regards
AC49
I have a ca. 1942, model 49 with the same hex clicker. They do show up on a few of the other reel models from this period from time-to-time as well.
John
Are mottled Squidders common?
Quote from: 1badf350 on May 14, 2018, 10:27:52 PM
Are mottled Squidders common?
I've never seen one...got a pic?
Quote from: 1badf350 on May 14, 2018, 11:09:55 PM
I may be looking at it wrong. Not really the same "mottling" as we are used to seeing
By the way, nice score on that 349 Mo!!
That's interesting Chris, at first I'd just mark it off as faded plates, but the chrome is awfully good for an old faded reel. I've seen other plates with light swirling in them, not exactly mottled, but not a single color either. It seems the employees could sneak some cool creations past quality control in the old days. I'm still looking for plates with a coin or something pressed in. :D
Thanks Mo! The plates are definitely not faded, they have some sort of swirling going on in them. Now a coin imbedded would be interesting and awesome
A question that must be asked: Are these reels with the mixed colored parts lunch box specials made up of rejected parts?
QuoteAre these reels with the mixed colored parts lunch box specials made up of rejected parts?
No. There are special order mixed color part reels; but, I have never heard of one made in the factory from rejected parts. Rejected parts get thrown away.
A Jigmaster 500M, possibly mid-'60's. Should get me one more JM closer to a complete Jigmaster collection. This'n had the box and manual and I believe they probably all go together. Note the manual's "suggested" retail price for the M(non-plastic spool model): $17.95, and the bottom of the box is marked $19.95-?
Coolest thing for me is the nostalgia factor of seeing a good old fashioned "GUARANTEE"! on page 1(the reel above that is a picture of a 309M, not my 500M)Ah, the good old days...
Penn did a great job with their manuals, combining advertising for other reel models, up-grade parts, maintenance, repair, explaination of function, parts lists, etc.
Nice Jigmaster, looks like it's been well taken care of.
Cool! Steel main gear. Chromed bridge, eccentric, and eccentric jack. Standard leather drag washers.
Yeah, festus, nothin on this one is worn too much. No gouges in the bakelite, no major scratchs in the chrome. Some minor pitting on the posts and then it looks like some major patina on the spool below the mono. Gonna keep it stock. Very smooth operatin 50+ yr. old Jiggy.
What's a best grease or oil for leather drag washers?
Nice job man!
Quote from: Gfish on May 22, 2018, 04:48:30 AM
What's a best grease or oil for leather drag washers?
I haven't tried it but several guys have commented that neatsfoot oil works great. I'd say it prolly does being it's a conditioning agent for leather.
I picked up another Silver Beach 99...I couldn't pass it up...these are such cool reels! This first pic is "just as I found it". Note that it has the plain tailplate.
(https://flic.kr/p/27gSDTs)
A former owner installed Newell bars and a #24-66 handle. I'm going to leave this reel "just as I found it", except for a little cleaning up.
(https://flic.kr/p/JHsC96)
These bars were very scratched...a little paint should help out.
(https://flic.kr/p/Lev1dL)
This is the first time I've seen brake lining drags in a #5-60 gear! They're staying...just because.
(https://flic.kr/p/28i5S8C)
Here she is all dolled up, I really like the plain tailplate.
(https://flic.kr/p/28i5Rzo)
These old skool hot rods are the whip. 8)
(https://flic.kr/p/28i5RNu)
Lookin good Mo!
Crack that Whip!
Nice reel Mo
Looks like the polished stainless spool. Those ain't easy to find and they are very solid lightweight spool. Very short lived production run makes me guess they were cost prohibitive and Penn made changes to stay competitive
I just got few jigs and a 113HLW in and cant wait to get them wet. Have a good weekend and tight lines.
Here's a 99 that I found on fleabay...a bit beat up, but hopefully it'll clean up nicely. I started taking it apart and noticed that there weren't any numbers on anything other than the foot...any ideas on how old this is?
Thanks,
Mike
More pics...
I would say a very early 40's era but hopefully someone can add some more info for you.
What you have looks all correct except the head plate... it should say "Silver Beach." It later became known as a "99."
The numbers on the bottom (linen line capacity) are indicative of a pre war silver beach. The 99 came out in the late forties I believe.
Get those screws out and put in some new (era correct) screws and a new head plate (not too easy to find) and it would be an all original late 30's Silver Beach.
Enjoy your restoration,
Dom
Thanks Dom, I figured it was prewar because it had no numbers. I've opened it up and the internals are in pretty good shape once I got the old grease and verdigris off the chrome. What screws are you referring to? The ones on the tail plate?
Yep, the tailplate screws look like they need some love or to be replaced and the holes could use some, too ;)
Stay fishy and have fun,
Dom
Since we are on the 99 subject, I stumbled onto a mid 50's 99 several months ago and the box & catalog are a little worn, but the reel looks unused and unhandled. The price was too good to walk away from
This particular 99 has very non typical Penn logo. Penn had "pat'd" in all the logo's but this logo just says "Penn silver beach 99". I'm pretty certain Penn dropped the "silver beach" from this logo in the 60's and then added pat'd to the logo
That is in beautiful condition.
You might be able to date mine. It has the same logo.
thanks
Basto
Quote from: basto on July 08, 2018, 10:08:57 PM
That is in beautiful condition.
You might be able to date mine. It has the same logo.
thanks
Basto
Basto, your looks to have no visible part numbers ....total guess would be1949/50
Thanks for your reply.
Just an early warhorse 114 with externally accessible drags and my favorite butterscotch grip. I had to replace clamp but had some left over from Cortez upgrades so net zero. The rod is crapppp but for $20 I'll always snag this one. Inside was nice, with steel main, and it deserved a good clean and lube.
A very solid winch John, and $20 is darn good bang for your buck. Money leftover to build a decent rod for it
Ted
Yeah...excellent way to spend a 20 spot...great buy John. 8)
Gorgeous!
Beauty George.....50 years is a long time to hang onto any reel.
.....of course now it isn't nearly as common and in this pristine condition is nearly impossible to find.
Ted
Scored this 9/0 on our local Trademe auction site - just gave it a quick clean and lube but no box or paper work can anyone give me a rough idea on what year it was made ? - all parts are numbered has steel main and pinion 3 stack asbestos drag washers solid chromed brass - bronze spool .
Rgds
Matt...
nice one!
QuoteScored this 9/0 on our local Trademe auction site - just gave it a quick clean and lube but no box or paper work can anyone give me a rough idea on what year it was made ? - all parts are numbered has steel main and pinion 3 stack asbestos drag washers .
Going by the handle, asbestos drags and the one piece spool, I would guess 1956.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on July 16, 2018, 02:25:14 PMGoing by the handle, asbestos drags and the one piece spool, I would guess 1956.
Is that a stainless spool?
Super-nice condition reel!
Boy what a beauty Chris she is shinning !!!! John Taylor
Quote from: 54bullseye on July 16, 2018, 09:31:09 PM
Boy what a beauty Chris she is shinning !!!!
I have to agree! 8)
Stunning 12/0 Chris.....it has all the traits of the earliest gen2 senators. I have exact same.e 12/0 as yours, but it was used for over 40 years by original owner and shows it, but I still love it
I think your early gen2 12/0 would be front row in any reel collection....nice score !!
Ted
Thanks Ted!
Beauty of a reel, Chris... they do exist, but few in that condition I would think
Enjoy her,
Dom
That is really a beauty !
VERY nice reel.
That a great looking 12/0 ;D
Thanks guys! So is the consensus now that second gen 12/0 existed pre war? What year would you say this one is? 1941-ish? If so, is it safe to say very few of these are out there?
Hard to say Chris, but pre war Penn factory was going full bore and increasing production every year until late 1941.
It's my belief that gen2 started in 1941 and many of those reels will have 1st gen components.....like lugs, counterbalance, and drilled arbor spool. It is popular consensus that most if not all drilled arbor Penns are pre war. Coin edge cb is also a sign of a pre war penn
My dad picked these up at a estate sale,,,,is the squidder 1940 :)
The horizontal title on black box would be somewhere around 1950-53
If it were 1940's the title on the label would be slanted
Great score either way , the reel looks correct and unused and easily worth $125 or more with the box and all accessories !!
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on July 18, 2018, 03:27:32 AM
The horizontal title on black box would be somewhere around 1950-53
If it were 1940's the title on the label would be slanted
Great score either way , the reel looks correct and unused and easily worth $125 or more with the box and all accessories !!
Ted
thanks man,,,,my dad is going to like that ;D
Nice score Benni,you're Dad has a good eye. You could date it by the catalog if it's in there
Quote from: Swami805 on July 18, 2018, 06:06:11 AM
Nice score Benni,you're Dad has a good eye. You could date it by the catalog if it's in there
thank you sir and that's one sale I missed out on,,,25 tackle boxs full 100 rods and reels,,but my dad did good he got 6/0 and rod,,,,but who knows what else was there :D
I would be very happy with those two.
They are fine specimen's.
Your Pop has a good eye. ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 19, 2018, 04:01:03 AM
I would be very happy with those two.
They are fine specimen's.
Your Pop has a good eye. ;)
yes I am :D on the boat when dad tells me to hand hem a rod and I look at it,,,it's a monofil :D
Both reels are great finds and both highly sought after by most Penn enthusiasts. Wish they woulda made more of those red 113hl and 114hl
Ted
Great Caesar's ghost...yeah...what Ted said! 8)
Thanks guys!
Dominic is gonna be drooling over that 6/0 with Broadway B&T tape on it!!!!!!
Quote from: thorhammer on July 25, 2018, 11:49:38 PM
Dominic is gonna be drooling over that 6/0 with Broadway B&T tape on it!!!!!!
Yea I thought that was kinda neat. I pulled off all the mono and found that so decided to leave it. There is a receipt in the box from same store tho it doesn't specify what was purchased
Money right there. ;)
Two great old Penn collectibles. The 114H seems to have black side plates. That is a flag to a collector. great find. Love the Broadway ID tape.
Thay look great,,,,clean ;D
You must have about fifty 12/0s !!! You trying to gettem all ??? Lol !! Really nice collection you getting Chris !! Good for you. John Taylor
That's a stunner there!
That's the kind Ted likes. Those lighthouse boxes are getting tough to come by. Makes me regret selling the NOS 9/0 from the same era. This one is more scarce then the 9/0.
Nice find!
John
There is nothing wrong with 50 12/0's. ;)
Nice reel!
So I don't mean to runaway with the thread but this combo showed up today. Its a Fenwick 640/International 50. Serial number of the rod dates it to 1968-69 and the reel dates to 1971
For $199 and free shipping I Jumped on it hard while wife and I were elbow deep in snow crab legs at red lobster on Saturday night. Got melted butter all over my Iphone.
She was not amused nor pleased.
The Internationals look like Silver and Gold Jewelry when there all shinned up and I really like the Old school butterscotch handles !!! I know there not rare or that old but they are about my favorite Penn Reels !!!! Then matched up with a really nice Fenwick SWEET COMBO !!!! John Taylor
Nice combo Chris
I'd say you got the reel for free at the price you paid for that combo
Nothing wrong surfing the web while feasting on crab legs ....
......it's called multi tasking !!
Ted
I like it!
Very nice looking set.
Thanks Brian. It pales in comparison to your collection.
Hey Chris, where are you finding all these reels?
Chris, you are killing it! Highway robbery on the Fenwick / 50!!! I'm a fan of the First Gens too...I use them (more on that later). They first got my interest in a picture in Jack Samson's Sportsmans' World, 1979...with my favorite butterscotch handle. Plus, on a vintage Fenwick with pink Ande screams ole skool...just need a Bertram 31 :)
I guess stock, the spacer bars are solid in front but I flip mine to give more of a topless handling aspect.
That's a very cool looking set of reels ;D great job
THAT WIDE 4/0 IS AWESOME. GREAT FIND :o :o :o
Nice one Benni, You going to fish it? Knuckle buster cat fishing!
Quote from: Swami805 on August 03, 2018, 02:30:12 AM
Nice one Benni, You going to fish it? Knuckle buster cat fishing!
with a pfueger patch,,,I could hear my dad now your now bringing that on my boat :D
Love that handle!
I agree, cool knob! maybe I'll try making one a little larger, when I get a chance.
You're getting some cool stuff Benni ;)
Thanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape ;D
Quote from: Benni3 on August 03, 2018, 02:17:24 PM
Thanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape ;D
I believe that 249 came out in '39...and the first ones
did have that style knob. This was a much used practice by Penn in the early days...bring out the latest and greatest designs on the high end reels while moving the previous designs to the budget models.
Quote from: 1badf350 on August 03, 2018, 10:08:09 AM
Love that handle!
Me too! That's the awesome 1938 knob...I have one on this old Long Beach. It's actually a very comfortable knob, but the masses obviously loved the torpedo knob, because when it appeared in 1939 that '38 knob faded into history. 8)
Thanks mo,,,that long beach is getting hard to get ;D
QuoteThanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape Grin
That handle was used from 1949 to 1955. The style of the counter weight is the tell. It is the correct handle for a Model 249; but, not a 149 or 49.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 04, 2018, 05:58:48 AM
QuoteThanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape Grin
That handle was used from 1949 to 1955. The style of the counter weight is the tell. It is the correct handle for a Model 249; but, not a 149 or 49.
thank you for your help,,,, :D
Nice save,,,antique stores sometimes makes nautical themes out of them :D that's a nice looking reel ;D
QuoteThis early model 49 was a $30 antique store find yesterday. Antique stores around here usually have junk for fishing gear, so this was a nice surprise.
:o :o :o Wow, beautiful reel!!
Quote? Mono no2,,,,?
One of those A B Normal reels............. :)
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 10, 2018, 12:25:07 AM
Quote? Mono no2,,,,?
One of those A B Normal reels............. :)
I didn't really believe it was a misprint until I looked at it :) but black spool and side plate ??? and the patina looks the same
Black tail plate, maroon mid 60's headplate, mid 40's handle.....yep it's from the land of misfit toys ;) ;)
What I see is a possible 1940's 155 that had broken head plate and a 1960's monofil plate was used to replace it
Ted
Thanks guys for your help ;D
I almost went for that one, too. It was in spectacular shape... that's a shame, but still some nice shiny, tough to find parts ya got there.
Dom
Nice score Bill!
Bill, that 109 is an absolute home run !!
Chris, the smushed Delmar is. 1st year model and still has many good parts to be able to make it correct again. Sideplates can be found at a very fair price. USPS can't prevent breakage when an item isn't property packaged.IMHO
Bill, that JC Higgins hex-split bamboo looks just like a couple of Montagues me and my son have. The company made alot of 'em, so maybe they did the trade thing too (as in trade reels).
That would be cool if it was a Montague....I will have to scrounge through my recycled guides to replace the missing guide. It would be fun to fish the old bamboo before making a wall hanger. I packed all my Penn books so cannot get a closer date on the 109. I'm thinking it's too clean to fish, as this one spent its life fishing fresh water all it life. Also in that bundle was a home made rod made from a willow (?) branch. A little crooked but well made. It would make a fun bluegill rod. Might have to rehab that one too. Bill
EDIT: A little research shows Montague did make rods for Sears in the JC Higgins name. A litttle more revealed photos of Montague with the same wooden handles......so I am thinking you are right it was probably made by Montague......I'm liking this rod more and more.....
EDIT: my wife went back and found the original box for the 109... I packed my Penn Chrono books so I can't look it up, if anyone has a book handy can you tell me what years were the 109 $11.00? Thanks my brothers
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on August 12, 2018, 04:28:49 PM
That would be cool if it was a Montague....I will have to scrounge through my recycled guides to replace the missing guide. It would be fun to fish the old bamboo before making a wall hanger. I packed all my Penn books so cannot get a closer date on the 109. I'm thinking it's too clean to fish, as this one spent its life fishing fresh water all it life. Also in that bundle was a home made rod made from a willow (?) branch. A little crooked but well made. It would make a fun bluegill rod. Might have to rehab that one too. Bill
EDIT: A little research shows Montague did make rods for Sears in the JC Higgins name. A litttle more revealed photos of Montague with the same wooden handles......so I am thinking you are right it was probably made by Montague......I'm liking this rod more and more.....
EDIT: my wife went back and found the original box for the 109... I packed my Penn Chrono books so I can't look it up, if anyone has a book handy can you tell me what years were the 109 $11.00? Thanks my brothers
Yeah. The kid and I took three bottom fish trips this Summer. The 2nd n' 3rd trips we winched up some big Lingers n' Rockies. I really like mine for that kina fishin. Gonna give the youngster my Penn 350 though, as he can't seem to get useta no levelwinder usin a L.B. 60. "Son I have 2 words for you:'line management' ", me as I 'm clearin the loose wrap birds nest on the way back. I got smart though, and shelfed 70+ yr. old L.B. 65 Deluxe, when I noticed the gear sleeve beginnin to collapse. I'll be usin the 60.
Everybody with some nice scores!
Bill if you want to fish a 109, and I don't, I think I have one in parts you are welcome to when you get your shop unpacked. I know you wont see this for a few days, no hurry or worry.
I hate it when I see craigslist ads like that....I get all twitchy! That's a nice 2/0, and the handle may worth at least half what the reel is, though yes not original.
What is the purpose of those double-guides, with the loop tip?
UPDATE: Found another thread that explains it: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15315.0
So when the old wood rods start to take a set you can flip them over and fish them the other way. I think Lol !!!! John Taylor
QuoteSo when the old wood rods start to take a set you can flip them over and fish them the other way. I think Lol !!!! John Taylor
That would be correct. Or, if you flip them regularly, they will never take a set.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 30, 2018, 06:05:52 AM
QuoteSo when the old wood rods start to take a set you can flip them over and fish them the other way. I think Lol !!!! John Taylor
That would be correct. Or, if you flip them regularly, they will never take a set.
clever !!
Brand new, no box, $23 delivered to my door. What a cool little reel, maybe use it for bait fishing or sit it on a shelf...
23 bucks is a great buy on that reel...the spool alone is worth more. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on October 01, 2018, 10:13:11 PM
23 bucks is a great buy on that reel...the spool alone is worth more. 8)
That's good to hear, Mo, thanks!
Cool little reels, and for that price I'll take 10 please.........and also like the newell style click button.
Ted
Found a good home for it, going to send it to Lee who's been working on the Seaboys lately, I know he'll appreciate it more than I.
Came across this pre war Penn 49, no number, coin edge counterweight in pretty good shape, smooth free spool but very tight cranking, looks like the bridge is gettin a WD 40 bath. Torpedo is smooth turning probably hasn't been used since FDR was in the White House. The clamp is the older one hole and a slot, have another one on a no numbers squidder. When did Penn go to the 2 hole clamp? Are the clamps in any way a reliable dating tool?
Thank You
Thru all my years of buying and selling older Penns, my best guesstimate is the slotted clamp was phased out in 1953/54. Your 49 is definitely pre war IMO
Ted
Thanks Ted,
It's going in the case after a bath, not for sale, but what would you estimate as a rough value? Only fault right now seems to be a tight, but moving bridge sleeve. No box etc. As for the slotted clamps I do have 4 old Surfmasters with numbers from dad, best guess mid 50's no slots.
Thanks Again,
Bob
PS Mike C's value book is on the way here
The 49 was very popular and mass produced from the get go and for that reason alone it will always remain as an "affordable" but also collectable reel
I'd say $35-50 depending on condition
I've been picking up 49's to fish my boat retro on the stripers and blues, have the old rod's from the 60's and 70's. This last of the 49's that came in looks pre war too but there is no coin edge on the counterweight, just smooth. From what I've been learning if the vendor messed this up, Penn would have just probably put the reels out as there is no effect on the function. Mike says never say never about Penn so is anyone smart about this? Custom made, vendor FUBAR, Another dating tool? No numbers, 4 boat tail, and twisted linen on the spool.
Thanks
QuoteI've been picking up 49's to fish my boat retro on the stripers and blues, have the old rod's from the 60's and 70's. This last of the 49's that came in looks pre war too but there is no coin edge on the counterweight, just smooth. From what I've been learning if the vendor messed this up, Penn would have just probably put the reels out as there is no effect on the function. Mike says never say never about Penn so is anyone smart about this? Custom made, vendor FUBAR, Another dating tool? No numbers, 4 boat tail, and twisted linen on the spool.
The one piece, plain counter weight I find to be late 1940's. it was the transition from the coin edged version to the laminated type. IMHO...
Thank's Mike,
It'll be getting HT100's one on top of the bridge and three in the stack to get back out there. An interesting little variation.
Bob
You did ok.....I would've paid $40 and $40 shipping ;) ;)
Uh, Yea!
Sweet reel JT. ;)
Put that green reel in your safe deposit!
I got this 180 Baymaster on a Montague rod base at a great price. The 180 has become a favorite of mine for jetty and pier fishing. Simple, light, and can take all the Surfmaster 100 upgrades. The rod was a cherry on top. Don't know much about older rods, but I have seen this butt section on bamboo rods. I'm no collector, and wonder if this could be put to use. The craftsmanship is beautiful. The reel seat is a bronze-colored metal.
The ferrule opening is about 3/8 inch. Could a rod be built using this as a base? I'd like it as a shallow bottom fishing rod for fluke, blackfish, etc.
Chris, good buy on that green 109. Almost too good to fish....almost ;)
Decker, really like that rod. I'm sure a rod could be built for the handle. How deep is the ferrule go into the handle? Bill
I really like the old Montague hardwood rod handles. Supposed to be alot of Montagues out there, so you'll probably find something that fits. Carefull of that metal on those old Montagues, it can tear pretty easily.
I gotta a 180("s") witha plastic spool that I's gonna donate if yer interested, yours for shipping cost or trade value.
Bill. The ferrule depth is shallow, 1 3/8 inches.
Gregg, I could probably put the 180 to good use; will PM you. Thanks!
Any idea what the reel seat metal is?
QuoteDon't know much about older rods, but I have seen this butt section on bamboo rods. I'm no collector, and wonder if this could be put to use. The craftsmanship is beautiful. The reel seat is a bronze-colored metal.
The reel seat might be German Silver. That handle looks like a surf handle. The ferrule is a common design from the 1920's and 30's. Back then rod tips were classified by weight categories. Early IGFA records were set by a particular sized fish caught on a rod tip of a certain weight. Finding the correct split cane tip for that handle would be a challenge. The tip should have a metal ferrule that would fit into the handle.
Joe, I bet that if you ran a 5/16 inch drill bit up into that ferrule you would find the broken remains of a split bamboo blank. It should be about three inches deep. I do not believe there is a metal bottom on the ferrule but it will be obvious when the drill bit hits the solid oak handle.
Your handle looks longer than mine so the blank was probably longer too. I'm guessing mine was probably 5-1/2 to 7 feet with a #10 or #12 tip. Probably red agatine inserts in the guides.
You may be able to find a junk split bamboo rod with a section of blank that could work. I wouldn't rule out a fly rod if it has a center section with the right specs. Sometimes there are new Chinese-made split bamboo blanks at the auction.
You could also drill out the ferrule and enlarge the hole to about 1/2 or 9/16 inch. There is room in the oak foregrip and it would still be plenty strong enough. With a 1/2 inch butt you could use a tubular fiberglass blank. A 1950's tobacco rod blank would look good. Another option would be a solid glass rod blank as some of them have 3/8 inch butts. You could look for a 3/8ths male ferrule or just glue the blank in there. They would be equally strong.
The reel seat and ferrule is nickel (German silver) plated brass.
The thing that amazes me about your handle and mine is the mushroom butt cap. They have to be vulcanized rubber but the mushroom butt caps from even twenty or thirty years later have all cracked and fallen off.
-steve
Steve and Mike, thanks for the great info and insight. I haven't had time to check, but the broken section theory sounds probable. I wonder if it could be pulled out by screwing into what is left, and pulling it out. Good to know that the handle is oak. I'll keep an eye peeled for something to fit it.
Steve, I remember you remarking about the butt caps in other posts. Now that I see one, I understand your interest. Mine is in great shape. Makes me wonder about the history of rubber.
Quote from: 1badf350 on October 22, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
Now I know its a spinner but she is clean!!! Arrived today
That's nice! I like those green things.
That EVH rod is pretty cool.
I assume the rod was made for saltwater use.
I'm sure someone more knowledgable will chime in.
John
Sorry....I meant to post my EVH reply to the Collectible Big Game Fishing Rod thread. So feel free to move it there if more appropriate. There are some similar looking rods here too so I got distracted. Thanks :)
Wow Chris, that's one highly sought after reel.....and the round knob makes it much more sought after. Another museum piece for your display !!
Ted
Very nice 706 ;D
Nice reel Chris. Nice rod grekim.
I love those rattan handles. Reel seat is nickel alloy (German silver) plated brass. Blank is split bamboo. It definitely pre-dates the Mitchells. But, EVH made split bamboo rods from 1880's to 1940's and it would take an expert to match up characteristics with examples of a known date. The tip guide suggests turn of the century to 1930's to me.
The No.6 handle may indicate it is a 102 tarpon and tuna rod. Look at Sid's catalog page here:
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371)
I'm a little hesitant to say tarpon/tuna rod because the reel seat does not look substantial enough in the photos. Maybe it is heavier than I imagine. Knowing the tip diameter and the type of guides would help too.
Edward would not want you to use anything other than one of his fine conventional reels. He was famous for his tarpon equipment. If it is a tarpon/tuna type rod then perhaps his model 481 Pasque tarpon reel or something else about 4/0 to 6/0 size would be appropriate. This could become expensive so don't get carried away :)
This other thread has some info and more links that may be interesting:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0)
-steve
Thanks guys!!
I had no idea that they were that rare
Quote from: oc1 on October 23, 2018, 07:37:19 AM
Nice reel Chris. Nice rod grekim.
I love those rattan handles. Reel seat is nickel alloy (German silver) plated brass. Blank is split bamboo. It definitely pre-dates the Mitchells. But, EVH made split bamboo rods from 1880's to 1940's and it would take an expert to match up characteristics with examples of a known date. The tip guide suggests turn of the century to 1930's to me.
The No.6 handle may indicate it is a 102 tarpon and tuna rod. Look at Sid's catalog page here:
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371)
I'm a little hesitant to say tarpon/tuna rod because the reel seat does not look substantial enough in the photos. Maybe it is heavier than I imagine. Knowing the tip diameter and the type of guides would help too.
Edward would not want you to use anything other than one of his fine conventional reels. He was famous for his tarpon equipment. If it is a tarpon/tuna type rod then perhaps his model 481 Pasque tarpon reel or something else about 4/0 to 6/0 size would be appropriate. This could become expensive so don't get carried away :)
This other thread has some info and more links that may be interesting:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0)
-steve
Great info Steve! Much appreciated. The butt is 20". Tip is 5/8" outer diam, 1/4" inner diam. There are only two double guides. One pair shown below. I have to wonder if someone got to the sale before my parents and bought an EVH reel, knowing that it was worth far more than the rod or Mitchells.
Yeah, that's the dilemma. The EVH rod belongs with an EVH reel. But, EVH reels cost a mint. Rods, not so much. I assume you do not plan to fish with it and want a wall-hanger.
An option would be to sell or the EVH rod. You should get enough to buy a rod/reel combo wall hanger with similar aesthetic appeal but of a lesser brand. As an ornament, an old Montague combo will look pretty much like an old EVH combo to the uneducated masses, but at a fraction of the cost.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on October 23, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
Yeah, that's the dilemma. The EVH rod belongs with an EVH reel. But, EVH reels cost a mint. Rods, not so much. I assume you do not plan to fish with it and want a wall-hanger.
An option would be to sell or the EVH rod. You should get enough to buy a rod/reel combo wall hanger with similar aesthetic appeal but of a lesser brand. As an ornament, an old Montague combo will look pretty much like an old EVH combo to the uneducated masses, but at a fraction of the cost.
-steve
If I didn't think I would cause it harm, I would be curious to fish with it. But, I am a shore bound fisherman, so a tuna rod is not a great match for me. I will keep it, for sure, and thanks for the suggestion of the Montague.
You must have Penn tattoos on you somewhere !! Lol !! JT
That's a nice one,,,very clean ;D
I really dig the black 114H...great buy Chris! 8)
Wow, super nice blackie!
Thanks guys!
That's a keeper black 114H for sure. Spotting them can be tough with lighting and photo taking but when you find the real deal it sure feels good.
Enjoy
Dom
I agree with Dom. Most the time it'll be dark maroon when it looks black because of bad lighting in pics.
Nice find Chris, and replacing the spool will be easy if you so desire
Ted
Ted that brings me to a question. I have ordered new old stock spools before and what I received was not a good match. The spool finish was more textured. The originals are fairly smooth. I think what I ordered came in a white penn box.
Its hard to tell before buying. What color box should i look for in a replacement spool?
I've seen older spools in green 2 piece boxes made of heavier material. Rudy
I'm sure someone on the forum will have your cortect spool. The early dark maroon reels had same smoother textured spool
Ted
That's a clean "149" for sure. If it was used it must've been freshwater.
Won't take much to clean that one up and shelf her.
Good find,
Dom
That 149 looks kind of NOS... A real beauty.
Gorgeous reel, Chris! These don't get lots of love from many, one day they will regret it. :)
Enjoy it!
Sal
Quote from: broadway on October 28, 2018, 05:01:00 AM
That's a clean "149" for sure. If it was used it must've been freshwater.
Won't take much to clean that one up and shelf her.
Good find,
Dom
x2,,,great find ;D
Good looking reel. That narrow series of reels do not get the attention they deserve. I use a 49 for deep drops and love it. Bill
so, where is ray (superhook) these days? he hasn't logged in since summer. :-\
crud. hard to keep track of things sometimes. john, thanks for the reminder......
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26341.0
Ray is certainly missed. I know I miss him chiming in on these threads. He had so much valuable info that he could break down, dissect, and simplify for we, amateur collectors.
Hope you're doing well, Mike. Ray was quite a loss.
Warmest regards/ RIP Ray,
Dom
Yes,
We learn much history from some of these fellows like Ray, Mike, Ted, Dom, and many others.
Feels sort of like a "Missing Man Formation" flyover without Ray.
We need to appreciate each other — while we can.
At some point, we will be the Missing Man.
Best,
Fred
Hi All
I picked up this Penn 500SA reel yesterday here in South Africa.
Was hoping the experts here could assist with trying to fathom out the SA on the box label. Ted has already suggested that the SA sticker could be an early label for the 500A reel box before dropping the S once the printed box was ready.
Any info would be appreciated.
Maybe Mike can explain ..... I have included some 500A box pictures to compare.
Regards
AC49
I'm not able to detect anything are of the ordinary with that reel, with the exception of the label.
I'm thinking A for Africa and SA for South Africa.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 29, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
I'm not able to detect anything are of the ordinary with that reel, with the exception of the label.
I'm thinking A for Africa and SA for South Africa.
Sal
Upon closer inspection..... I do see a difference in these 500A reels
Take a good long look at the plastic spools on these reels. They do not have the normal huge oversize arbor. In fact the shape of these plastic spools are very similar in design to a newell jigmaster spool. This is completely different shape from the standard 500 plastic spool, with what appears to be a much smaller arbor and a radius transition to the flanges. Perhaps Alan can post shot of just the spool.
Maybe I'm way off base, and possibly just my OCD working overtime ;) ;)
Either way, thanks for posting these very cool reels and boxes....amazing !!
Ted
Ted here are some pictures of the spool as requested.
Regards
AC49
Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.
....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 08:39:41 PM
Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.
....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference
Ted
Ted, you mind sharing what it is you see different?
Alan, thanks for posting these, the box alone is a treasure to have.
Sal
I just donated a non-A (not SA either) jiggy with a plastic spool so I can't reference it directly, but the arbor does look smaller in diameter on the SA version. And that's the first plastic spool I've seen where the line hole wasn't broken out a bit.
Alright DC. You can't beat $5 for old Penn!
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 29, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 08:39:41 PM
Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.
....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference
Ted
Ted, you mind sharing what it is you see different?
Alan, thanks for posting these, the box alone is a treasure to have.
Sal
Different design flanges, smaller diameter arbour....even the ribbing under the flange is completely different than a stock plastic 500 spool
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 29, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 08:39:41 PM
Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.
....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference
Ted
Ted, you mind sharing what it is you see different?
Alan, thanks for posting these, the box alone is a treasure to have.
Sal
Different design flanges, smaller diameter arbour....even the ribbing under the flange is completely different than a stock plastic 500 spool
Ted
Maybe I don't see things as I used to...very much possible, but I've seen that type spool before. I actually still have a few in black and i know I have one exactly the same as theone we're talking about somewhere in one of these drawers.
Sal
Sal
You are right Sal, it's just my imagination gone wild
Ted
I kind of think we are reading too much into this. I feel the "500SA" label box is meant for a Penn 500S Jigmaster. The "A" simply means Africa like it does on all the other Africa Export reels. I believe the wrong reel is in the box.
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 10:13:16 PM
You are right Sal, it's just my imagination gone wild
Ted
Ted, when I came home from work yesterday, after reading your message I went straight for that drawer.
No one that I know of pay close attention to details on these reels as you do😉.
Sal
Thanks Mike my thoughts exactly but always good to hear from you. I bought the only 3 reels he ever owned so maybe the reel boxes somehow got swapped in the tackle shop . ::)
Many thanks
AC49
A few tidbits I would like to point out....
JMHO The earliest box (500SA) only lists capacity of Dacron, which tells me it is the earliest 500A box. If it was a later 500s box it would have nylon or mono capacity on the label also
Just observations: The blue/white 500A box claims the spools are specially made for monofilament, yet the line capacity on the box is for Nylon and Dacron. Early USA blue/white box is same and doesn't list mono capacity
...and I guess they have different monofilament in South Africa :D :D , because the same exact dark blue box and gold box here in the U.S. lists mono capacity at 275yds of 30# mono.....but the 500A Blue box lists capacity at 400yds of 30# mono. The 500A gold box 400yds also. Go figure !!
Ted I can remember Mr Cacioppo mentioning that Penn started referring to Dacron on their reel boxes in about 1969 to conform with IGFA line class requirements to claim a Record Catch. Before that time it was Monofiliamt and Nylon.
I'm still confused how we in South Africa score the extra 125 yds on the same spool then ??? ???
No wonder we burst so many Jigmaster spools ;) ;)
Cheers
AC49
You're right Alan, the yardage capacity seems odd.....we will figure this out one way or another.
Thanks again for posting and hope you're enjoying summer south of the equator !!
Ted
400yds 30lb mono is more than fits on 112 chrome spool, and 50yds less than a 113H...no way that all gets on a jiggy, even on a small arbor SS spool. UNLESS its an VOT Super Jiggy from Randy. then maybe.
You're right on John
The 112 is also larger diameter spool than the jigmaster and the 112 metal spool will obviously have more capacity than a jigmaster spool
Ted
that one is on my hit list, they're puuurty, great find!
Love the color combo, those "carrot" handle knobs are cool ;D
Brett
Killer deal Chris
These are the reels you show to your wife to remind her that collecting old Penns isn't a waste of money. Make sure to let her know that you could triple your money in a heartbeat if you decided to sell it
Others may not agree, but I'd say pre war....coin edge cb, drilled arbor are both from that era and 6/0 ain't an easy find as far as pre war Penns go....nice one Chris
I just made up my mind to go buy all the NIB Penn V's I can get and sit on them til I retire. Chris, John, Mike, and Deepfins have cornered the "interesting to Thorhammer to own old stuff" market.
PS I got that same green 109 on a rod for $20 at a flea mkt-HA!
Gents, in all seriousness, please keep the pics rolling-it's pretty attainable if one is willing to spend some cash and learn to build a hot rod- but this stuff you folks are doing here lately what with historical provenance is awesome... you have to be positioned to be in the way of it, with a healthy dose of luck...
Quote from: thorhammer on November 03, 2018, 03:53:45 AM
I just made up my mind to go buy all the NIB Penn V's I can get and sit on them til I retire. Chris, John, Mike, and Deepfins have cornered the "interesting to Thorhammer to own old stuff" market.
PS I got that same green 109 on a rod for $20 at a flea mkt-HA!
Gents, in all seriousness, please keep the pics rolling-it's pretty attainable if one is willing to spend some cash and learn to build a hot rod- but this stuff you folks are doing here lately what with historical provenance is awesome... you have to be positioned to be in the way of it, with a healthy dose of luck...
The knowledge here is amazing, I'm learning great stuff here everyday!
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 02, 2018, 09:37:46 PM
Thanks guys!
This early 6/0 just got off the mail truck. Im not sure what year, pre-war I think, but I love the handle.
That handle is awesome!
:o :o :o
I just saw a couple of those green Penn 109's on the auction site listing for $150....not in nearly as good of shape as these!
My dad got this for me at a yard sale $5 with cat fish rod :D just like to know about what year ;D
Heck of a deal! Great score!
It's rare Benny, but perhaps more because of the red plates than the age.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on November 06, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
It's rare Benny, but perhaps more because of the red plates than the age.
-steve
thanks steve,,, and it does have a little black marble to it?
This came in today,,,not in good shape,,,but the sideplates are ;D
Cool! Been thinkin bout a 209 or 309 for my " line management challenged" son. I don't like to mess with his fun when he's crankin up 75yds, of line with 1-2 fish on--"pay attention to the line lay on your spool!" I sent him a Penn 350 but it still needs a little persuasion to stay good n' even. To date, he's been usin a L.B. 60.
Benni, you probably goda good size collection by now. Are you thinkin a postin it at some point in time, in the "Show Your Collection" thread? Or maybe here?
Benni!!!! I'm glad you got that! I bid early and forgot to got back at the end. LOL
you guys are scoring some nice green Penns lately....I am huge fan of them also, and never get tired of gazing at them
How can a person not love the smallest Penn senator?? Its reminds me of a shrunk down 16/0 ;)
This one was about same price as a well used 113H. I was shopping for a donor 113H but my computer froze as I scrolled across this 1/0. ;D ;D
Awesome, she's puurrrty!
Beautiful reel....Bill
Great find Ted, was it like that, or have you polished it, since you received it, mint ay, cheers Don.
Quote from: Donnyboat on November 09, 2018, 11:03:12 PM
Great find Ted, was it like that, or have you polished it, since you received it, mint ay, cheers Don.
Hi Don, it was just a little dusty and shelf grime. Very simple cleaning is all it took. I don't per say "polish" any reel parts, unless you consider my fingertips and nevr-dull cotton wadding "polishing". The shine you see is 100℅ factory finish. The trick is the last wipedown must be clean grease free towel to get the best possible shine.
Ted
Nice score Ted! 8)
BNIB 85L Seaboy $20 delivered to my door. I bought it for the spool, but might shelf it since it's so shiny. I know I need to dust it off ;D
Nice score Darin !!
That little reel is very capable and overlooked by most that don't know what they're missing.
Ted
Good find Darin, thanks for showing, & Ted, thanks for the feed back, good tips, you both keep well, & leave some fish in the ocean for me, cheers Don.
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 10, 2018, 11:49:39 PM
Nice score Darin !!
That little reel is very capable and overlooked by most that don't know what they're missing.
Ted
Quote from: Donnyboat on November 11, 2018, 12:20:15 AM
Good find Darin, thanks for showing, & Ted, thanks for the feed back, good tips, you both keep well, & leave some fish in the ocean for me, cheers Don.
Thanks guys, it's pretty cool to handle an older reel that's brand new, I always imagine what one would try to catch with it back in the day...
Has the drive side bearing kinda molded in
Great find in any condition. That one is fantastic condition.
No set screw hole for scalloped nut, built in bushing and what hex shape am I seeing under the blade ?? Some kind of thick washer under the blade also ??
Ted
That's a great find, I don't know much about old Penns, but am fascinated by them.
That is a great find,,,the newport's don't go on ebay that much anymore and that one is in great shape ;D
Chris that reel isn't worthy of your collection.....just send it to me and I will dispose of it......in my cabinet ;D. Beautiful reel brother. Bill
Monster score! Well done, Chris!
Rare find indeed and in that condition?! :o
Dom
Beautiful reel Chris. The wear on the knob belies the overall condition. Wonder if someone enthusiast did a restoration job on it or if the owner just took good care of his stuff.
-steve
Thanks guys!
Steve I would hope that a reel enthusiast would have known better than to stick it on eBay with a $32 price tag. ;D
The condition of that oldy is fantastic - great score brother :)
Great find !!
I don't believe this reel was restored but if it was he did a heck of a good job. More likely, used very little, display/sample reel possible, if used most likely freshwater, and by the tail plate bushing I would say it was rubbing on something or was used off another reel. The shine in the plates (though we can shine them up) looks to be original also. The black paint on the handles wore very easily so I would say, freshwater, used very little, not let to sit with line on it, and the owner took care of his things.
I still say CHA-Ching!
Best
Dom
Great find Chris, could`nt happen to a nicer bloke, your always so helpful on this forum, cheers Don.
QuotePicked up this 150yd Newport last week. It arrived today.
In my opinion you have quite a rare reel there. I would say it is a 1940 Newport. In 1940, the Newport was only made in the 150 yard version and it shared page space with the Penn 14. I suspect your Newport is built off a Penn 14 side plate style, of course in a slightly smaller diameter. In 1941 the Newport was gone, basically replaced by the Model 14 that it shared a page with in 1940. I attached the Newport / Penn 14 on page 16 of the Penn 1940 catalog.
This 1940 Newport is a very special reel, in my opinion.
Another quirky things about the handle nut in the catalog renditions is that the scalloped nut is shown in the 1938 catalog but goes back to the old style hex nut in the 1939 & 40 catalog. That was done in the catalog drawing but in reality, Penn probably continued putting the scalloped nut on the Newport or maybe even some Newports left the factory with the straight slotted screw used on the Penn 14.
The only Penn Rule is, ""There are no rules"".............<:O)
Hi Mike, thanks for the great info.
.....just an observation.....the illustration shows a screw in spool shaft bushing, but Chris's reel has built in bushing.
Ted
QuoteHi Mike, thanks for the great info.
.....just an observation.....the illustration shows a screw in spool shaft bushing, but Chris's reel has built in bushing.
Ted
Hello Ted,
Yes, that is why I feel the reel is special. It is a small size 150 yard side plate with the Penn 14 spool bushing. I cannot explain why it is that way, but, it is. I have seen other small Newport models and they do not have the integral molded in Penn 14 bushing. It probably did not sell to well being the Model 14 was cheaper, had a larger line capacity and basically was the same reel. The Model 14 has three pillars while the smaller Newport reel had four pillars. Offering both reels did not make sense in my opinion.
Any pre war small yardage (less than 250yds) Penn is a great find. They always seem to elude me, but I keep looking !!
Ted
209 came in the mail today :D the spool looks different,,,,but I think the green one will clean up ;D
Nice Benni! The cool thing is you could almost mint it out with new parts and still be correct.
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 17, 2018, 06:22:30 PM
Nice Benni! The cool thing is you could almost mint it out with new parts and still be correct.
yes sir,,,,,,and this 209 looks freshwater or lightly used,,,,but I might get a aluminum frame and spool "green" ;D
QuoteAny pre war small yardage (less than 250yds) Penn is a great find. They always seem to elude me, but I keep looking !!
Ted
Many sellers do not realize their smaller than the average Penn reel is a small reel. They are not aware of the size difference and how it affects the rarity of the reel.
There is a visual trick that might help you spot one. When the free spool lever on a small side plate Penn reel is pulled to the rear of the reel it completely covers the side plate screw. That does not happen on a 250 or 300 yard reel.
... 49 X 5 ;D ;D
Quote49 X 5 Grin Grin
Looks like math............ 49 X 5 = 245................ Have a great Thanksgiving...........<:O)
How about this one for a small Penn? ;D A nice flea-find.
That sure is a nice one nelz!
Nelz, that looks like it was lined and put on a shelf and never used. Good find!
Quote from: sdlehr on November 21, 2018, 10:25:32 PM
Nelz, that looks like it was lined and put on a shelf and never used. Good find!
Thanks guys. Actually, I put the line on myself. Took it on a little trip to Alabama and caught the cat you see in my avatar.
This came in today,,,bridge city 300yd $34 ;D
Nice one Benni!
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 22, 2018, 01:33:53 PM
Nice one Benni!
thank you my friend,,,,,and happy hunting,,,hope you get the big one ;D
Very nice combo! Joe
Nice Chris. I know what the title of the thread is, but can you give us a peak at the rods too.
-steve
The rods are junk. My main focus was the reel model number 201
Nice Chris...what's your secret?
Is this your full time job hunting treasures? ;D
Thank you for sharing these amazing finds with us.
Sal
Good score !
Great Chris, good find, you deserve it, your always trying to help us all on this forum, what goes around comes around, cheers Don.
Very nice, a 201 is a tough find but 2? Wow,condition looks nice too. Thanks for posting
Quote from: Donnyboat on November 24, 2018, 01:46:54 PM
Great Chris, good find, you deserve it, your always trying to help us all on this forum, what goes around comes around, cheers Don.
Thanks Donnie!
Nice, I like the handles.
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 24, 2018, 12:35:10 PMNice Chris...what's your secret? Is this your full time job hunting treasures?
That's what I'd like to know too! So what's the deal Chris, you gonna share? What kind of places do you get so many nice reels?
QuoteToday I got this matched set of Surfmaster 201 reels on Montague bamboo rods.
I had to read that twice. Two 201's!! ??? At the same time!! That is an amazing find. Not just a good find, it is an amazing find!!
He got two big bucks :D fabulous hunting ;D
Wow Darin, she already looks pretty modified!
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 25, 2018, 09:43:37 PM
Wow Darin, she already looks pretty modified!
true, but I def want to add a ss sleeve, double dogs and an insert drag kit, maybe a different arm/knob down the road, will fish with it first and see how it goes...
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 24, 2018, 10:33:34 AM
The rods are junk. My main focus was the reel model number 201
They may not be junk to Steve. His eye has reveled many things here... Jeff
Nice Darin, thanks for showing us, really will be great when you finnish the updates, cheers Don.
Quote from: Rivverrat on November 25, 2018, 11:36:27 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 24, 2018, 10:33:34 AM
The rods are junk. My main focus was the reel model number 201
They may not be junk to Steve. His eye has reveled many things here... Jeff
yes,,,,,I do like old tomato posts sometimes,,,,,,there fun ;D
Quote from: Donnyboat on November 26, 2018, 12:04:52 AM
Nice Darin, thanks for showing us, really will be great when you finnish the updates, cheers Don.
Thank you, Don!!!
QuoteDon't know much about the black 710s but this little bit of research i did suggested I buy it in this condition
Great collectible! Their production is very limited. These reels were painted by hand, they were not painted with the Penn production spray equipment. Because of that, there are variations in the paint finishes, some are flat satin finishes like yours and others are wrinkled finishes. Either is good to have. Now that you have got the 710 in black, you next acquisition must be the 711 in black......<:O)
Wow Mike thank you for that info I did not know they were hand painted, I always figured they were powder coated.
QuoteWow Mike thank you for that info I did not know they were hand painted, I always figured they were powder coated.
They were spray painted with enamel; but, not with the production spray equipment. According to Mr. Herbert Henze, changing the color on the factory spray equipment meant a lot of work, so these black 710's were done separately from the production line, probably with a small spray gun that could be easily cleaned.
As for Powder Coating, the Model 710 was introduced in 1964, I believe the black versions were very early release reels. Powder Coating had not been invented yet.
Sweet !!!! Your gonna have to write another book on Penn !!!! John Taylor
What are the main differences within the Mariner series? I have a 49 and a 149. I know the drags aren't the same ::) and the 49 has a reverse lever (might not be the right term), and the A is that African one I think. What is the story on the 349? Are they all red? Maybe it is a wide reel?
Sorry for the newbie questions. This week I am neck deep in Long Beach's, I blame you guys for my Penndemic fever.
Thanks
Rob
Quote from: JoseCuervo on December 22, 2018, 02:17:26 AM
What are the main differences within the Mariner series? I have a 49 and a 149. I know the drags aren't the same ::) and the 49 has a reverse lever (might not be the right term), and the A is that African one I think. What is the story on the 349? Are they all red? Maybe it is a wide reel?
Sorry for the newbie questions. This week I am neck deep in Long Beach's, I blame you guys for my Penndemic fever.
Thanks
Rob
you can't blame anybody,,,, :D I started before I was a member here,,,, ;) just keep going down the rabbit hole,,,you be just fine ;D
The size is the same for 49,149,249,349,the difference is internally. The 349 is a more powerful reel. There's a bunch of threads on here about them,makes for some good reading when you have some time. Apologies if this gets you farther down the rabbit hole,I'm betting you'll want one.
Quote from: Benni3 on December 22, 2018, 03:10:40 AM
just keep going down the rabbit hole,,,you be just fine ;D
well, it's ok to step back once in a while..... ;D
QuoteThis one arrived today. I actually thought I would never find one.
It is not that they are hard to find, you are simply shopping on the wrong continent. To find a 49A you should be shopping in Africa.
QuoteWhat are the main differences within the Mariner series? I have a 49 and a 149. I know the drags aren't the same Roll Eyes and the 49 has a reverse lever (might not be the right term), and the A is that African one I think. What is the story on the 349? Are they all red? Maybe it is a wide reel?
Many questions in a few sentences. The tall series always confuses people in the beginning. The first ones were the 49, 149 and 249. They were introduced before WW II. The 349 was much more refined and much closer to a Big Game than the other three. The 349 was made in Red, maroon and black. You are correct about the 49 "A" being an export model headed for Africa, they were never marketed in the USA, so they are kind of hard to find in the United States. Here is a page form the 1978 catalog.
The 249 was a Bakelite winch aka Knuckle Buster. It was discontinued a long time ago.
The Second lever on the head plate is known as a Convertible Drag. Basically, when yo use that lever you can control the reel by back reeling. It can also be used for letting out line when trolling, instead of releasing the free spool lever. Not everyone likes that option, so Penn offered the 349 model with or without it.
Thanks! That catalog info is great and explains things well. 8)
Quote from: Penn Chronology on December 23, 2018, 07:54:18 AM
QuoteThis one arrived today. I actually thought I would never find one.
It is not that they are hard to find, you are simply shopping on the wrong continent. To find a 49A you should be shopping in Africa.
I read somewhere that the A marked headplate was pretty hard to find even in Africa. This reel also has a mix of parts with and without part numbers so I suspect its an early one like yours Mike.
Hi Chris the Penn 49A you have is around 65 years old based on the mix of parts with and without numbers. Finding them is not that easy here in South Africa but one in that condition is pretty special.
Most of the Penn 49"A" reels I have found were well used for the purpose they were intended, but every now and again you find a reel like yours that will have a story of its own .... maybe you could share what you know about that treasure ? ;)
Nice find Chris and thanks for sharing !!
Regards
AC49
Cape Town
South Africa
AC49,
The only thing I can really tell you about this real is that it came out of an estate sale in a town near Washington DC the area where I live. I was not present at the estate sale where it was bought. I got it from the people who were there.
Thanks Chris was there a reel box or catalog to help to possibly identify the year it was made ?
Regards
AC49
Nothing but the reel
I do not exactly how old my 49A actually is; but, it is the oldest one I have seen. I am saying that based on the handle on the reel. There are no parts numbers on any part of the reel and the counter weight on the handle has the cross bars. It is not a laminated counter weight. That would be very early 1950's or even earlier. Of course it could be an old handle that Penn simply put on the reel because it was in the parts bin. Still I have seen none earlier. I have seen 49A reels I very early 1950 two piece boxes. The reels marked with the "A" on the logo did not have markings on the box label.
The South Africa owner of the reel had made a trip to Alaska and had a problem with the reel in Alaska. He brought the reel to a shop in Alaska to be repaired and never returned for the reel. I got the reel from the Tackle Shop owner in Alaska. I believe the reel to be all original parts.
Hi Mike have you checked the bracing or no bracing of the spool. These are 2 old Penn 49A configurations that I have come across and believe the 4 brace spool type on the right seems to be common to the original 49A reels that I have found.
Regards
AC49
Mine has the 4 brace
Thanks Chris another piece of the puzzle nearly confirmed. Have you managed to check if both the sideplates have that hologram effect called "jeweling" ?
Regards
AC49
Nice, Pum, the wheel knob and sooo clean. Looks new?
Ya that's cool,,,,great fine man ;D
It is basically new. Sat in a guys attic forever in the box, or so I am told.
That's a great find Chris,
Your on a roll lately, well done
Col
Bill thats very nice !!
QuoteIt is basically new. Sat in a guys attic forever in the box, or so I am told.
That is a fantastic find. The 707 is a tough find in any condition! It was made from 1975 to 1977 and sold in limited numbers in those few years. Beautiful reel!
QuoteFor my Christmas present the boss said I could buy a reel, thinking for a minute Randy Pauly came to mind, initially looking for a 1/0 or 3/0, Randy sold me on a non-numbered 10/0. Gotta say he is one heck of a salesman Wink. I can't say enough good things about him, class act all the way. Shipping was faster than ever, especially considering the holiday season. The reel was all he promised, not looking for a mint condition reel, but something that will fit in with my other non-numbered Senators. This is a second generation, coin edged counter balanced handle with a three piece spool. And this didn't have one of those darn rockcod handles Grin. Thank you Randy! Bill
Randy Pauly is kind of amazing. Where else are you going to go on the planet and ask for a 1940's / 1950's Penn Senator 116A---10/0 with original parts and a certain patina. Only one guy can satisfy those wants at a moments notice and get it shipped out to you in time for a holiday. Great reel!
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I found these on local craigslist. A Jigmaster and a 149 . Both reels for $15...
The Jigmaster looks very sad on the exterior but when cracked open it was pristine inside.
The 149 was much better on the exterior, haven't looked in side yet...
Cool
Happy 2019 to all !!
This just in from an epic road trip but very happy with the finds.
Here are just some .... all from 1 owner so I presume all original and correct but stranger things have happened ....
*Penn 49A
Deep Sea reel - Very good condition
Green 2 piece box – I have been told from about 1953 – 1959 ??
49A Super Mariner $22 (I cannot find a 49A USD$ price reference)
Boxed spare spool
**Penn 140 Squidder
Red sideplates
Green 2 piece box $25 - $25 price from 1950-61 (2 piece boxes from 1953 – 1959 ??)
Boxed spare spool
***Penn 500 Jigmaster
Green swirl handle
Boxed (not 500A)
Boxed spare spool
Regards AC49
Oh man that 1957-59 49A box has me at a loss for words! :o :o :o
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 01, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
Oh man that 1957-59 49A box has me at a loss for words! :o :o :o
Thanks Chris haven't ever seen one of them and in such good condition.
Please share how you managed to age the box to 1957-59.
Regards
AC49
According to Mike's book thats when the boat fishing scene existed on the label.
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 01, 2019, 04:15:49 PM
According to Mike's book thats when the boat fishing scene existed on the label.
Thanks for info Chris. That makes sense then as the reel contains numbered parts.
Regards
AC49
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I keep an eye out on local Craigslist and OfferUp sites. If your diligent some great deals can be had. I just picked up this 14/0 reel this morning. I don't know that it will ever see water in my hands but I had to have it... and the price was right . On a side note, I can't figure out how to post pics from the gallery and have them show up as a pic and not a link... can y'all help a brutha out ?
Hey CooldadE , just put the link inside the html code like this:
Or.....Go to reply page & click "Additional Options" Click on my pics then click on the pic again if you need to make them bigger for easier reading... Jeff
Then click "Choose File" then click on the picture file that contains your pic or picture itself if in the file if its on your phone or computer.... Jeff
Testing...
You Go It ! That's a fine reel to get at a good price... Jeff
I got lucky with this one. A Washington Craigslist find. A New with a sad box black plate single lever 349H. The reel was 2 blocks away from a longtime friend in Bremerton. Arangments were made and a week later it was on my doorstep.
Cool
the 349H is an unusually unique reel. Friend here gifted me one I'm looking foreword to using it on the beach in Texas... Jeff
Quote from: AC49 on January 01, 2019, 09:20:24 AM
Happy 2019 to all !!
This just in from an epic road trip but very happy with the finds.
Here are just some .... all from 1 owner so I presume all original and correct but stranger things have happened ....
*Penn 49A
Deep Sea reel - Very good condition
Green 2 piece box – I have been told from about 1953 – 1959 ??
49A Super Mariner $22 (I cannot find a 49A USD$ price reference)
Boxed spare spool
**Penn 140 Squidder
Red sideplates
Green 2 piece box $25 - $25 price from 1950-61 (2 piece boxes from 1953 – 1959 ??)
Boxed spare spool
***Penn 500 Jigmaster
Green swirl handle
Boxed (not 500A)
Boxed spare spool
Regards AC49
Great finds and what's with those blue and white labels on a 1950's box ?? Must be specific to South Africa ¿?¿?
Ted
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Great finds and what's with those blue and white labels on a 1950's box ?? Must be specific to South Africa ¿?¿?
Ted
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Hi Ted I believe the label color has simply faded over the years. Here is the 49A spare spool box from same find. Once the label was carefully removed you can see that "blueish" color at the bottom. Strange that somewhere in South Africa they used a Penn Delmar 285M box from the 50's but the 49A spare spool fits snug.
Regards
AC49
That is some awesome finds there AC49,
Well done !
Col
Thanks Col
The only
boxed 49A with A on sideplate I have found was in the black box on the left. Mike C suggested that maybe that was the only box at the time that was available for the SA market. I have managed to find all in the pictures but obviously the 49A box with the 49A reel with A on the sideplate continues to elude me but I'm not giving up yet !!!
Regards
AC49
Sweet lineup of 49a boxes.....and thanks for sharing
Ted
1940's all original non numbered 16/0. Just a quick wipedown and ready for display.....a tough find in any condition, but this one has me pinching myself to make sure it isn't just a dream. ;)
I am tapped out from Christmas, just like a lot of others.....so I used a technique I learned from watching Popeye as a kid..... I will gladly pay tomorrow for a reel today ;D ;D
Ted
Wow! That is one clean 16/0... I trying to figure out how to display my recently acquired 14/0. I've seen some C shaped clear acrylic Plinths that look good. I might have to go to Tap Plastics and see what they would charge to make them...
Cool
Early bird gets the worm !!! Nice reel Ted ! John Taylor
Quote from: CooldadE on January 11, 2019, 10:15:02 PM
Wow! That is one clean 16/0... I trying to figure out how to display my recently acquired 14/0. I've seen some C shaped clear acrylic Plinths that look good. I might have to go to Tap Plastics and see what they would charge to make them...
Cool
You can cut Lexan with a jigsaw on slow and bend as you wish with heat gun. I replace my own boat windshields to height i like as such.
Daron here is the acrylic plinth master as well as the big gun builder.
Gorgeous reel Ted!!
Super cool, Ted, congrats on a great score!
That 16/0 is beautiful Ted...great score! 8)
Wow Ted, where did you find that beauty?
Amazing find Ted :o
The reel is over 70 years old and still looks unfished .... maybe the Penn collection group started earlier than we think ;)
Thanks for sharing !!
Regards
AC49
That is an amazing 16/0. The only weird thing is that spool spindle pin. Very A B Normal.............
That is an absolute beauty Ted, Wow.
I've mainly been concentrating on Pre war Penn reels since I got serious a couple of months ago,
But Since my boat has been in rebuild mode, I haven't been fishing much in the last two years.
Your beautiful 16/0 prompted me to dig out all my Senators today which I've had for over 25 years, A quick stock take showed I had
6-7 senators, nothing really old, 3-4 4/0's a couple tricked, one being a LH model and 2-3 red and black 6/0's, I love those reels.
Even embarrasingly, I found a half finished 4/0 wide, still in strip down mode !!!!
These photo's of simply beautiful old Senators has sure sparked my interest, thanks for sharing.
Col
Hi Ted, that 16/0 is the best yet, good find, last week for the first time I have ever seen a 16/0 advertized for sale in Australia, it looks to be 7.5 to 8 out of ten, will try to send photos when it arrives, it cost me AU $595.00 including postage, that is about US dollars 420.00 cheers Don.
Chris...that may not be a mint 16/0...but it's a dandy find too!! Sailfishers that clean are very hard to find. That handle can certainly be considered correct, because it's a Penn accessory offered at that time. If you wanted the handle that came stock, you'll need a #24-49.
Thanks Mo!
Chris, is your sailfisher sporting a 3 piece chrome spool ??
The reason I ask is the sailfisher only had 3 piece spool in introductory year of 1953...... After that it had one piece cast bronze spool.
Either way, it's a nice addition to your Penn collection !!
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 12, 2019, 05:40:04 PM
Chris, is your sailfisher sporting a 3 piece chrome spool ??
The reason I ask is the sailfisher only had 3 piece spool in introductory year of 1953...... After that it had one piece cast bronze spool.
Either way, it's a nice addition to your Penn collection !!
Ted
Ted it appears so. Thats great info. I did not know that thank you.
Great find, Chris, and a first year model too... ;D
Nice find Chris! The power handle was offered as an option and don't believe any of the reels came with it, but I 'm just guessing, I'm not a pro as some of the guys here. :-\
Thanks for sharing!
Sal
Ted,
What can I say that others haven't already... where's the box?! :-*
In all seriousness, that is one beauty of a reel that has been lucky enough to find it's way into your hands.
Chris, from the collector stand point it's really the only Sailfishes to own... nice find.
Well done gents,
Dom
Ted & Chris, good people, deserve a few wins, you both fit the mold, good luck to both of you, & thanks for showing us, cheers Don.
If you need any parts Chris, lemme know. I have a Sailfisher sans tail-plate (ring is there though) and handle. Hmmm, gonna have to remove that strange flat-sided line and see what kinda spool it has...
well, since it says, just as you find them here it goes...
this baby monsta needs some work but totally doable and worth it
Alex, expect to see some follow up on your progress with this one... Jeff
That hole where the bearing used to be looks pretty big...is it fatal? Bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on January 17, 2019, 02:22:15 AM
That hole where the bearing used to be looks pretty big...is it fatal? Bill
yep. it needs a new handle side plate
wondering what caused that kind of damage, hopefully the spool is not bent or it will be an expesive project :-\
but I first need the handle side plate to check that spool
Quote from: steelfish on January 17, 2019, 02:25:29 AM
hopefully the spool is not bent or it will be an expesive project :-\
but I first need the handle side plate to check that spool
Sometimes you can see wobble by rolling the spool on a table.
-steve
Just as You find them !
I have a stable of 5-6 senators, all 4/0 and 6/0's which are my go to reels.
But have picked up this 4/0 black sided LH reel.
Looks as though the line has been on for decades, reel has been covered in a sticky gunk all over,
There's quite a bit of Green and corrosion everywhere, but a nice wee project.
I luv Senators, some of your guy's photo's have had me drawling !
SO, I also managed to secure my first 1st generation 12/0, in pretty nice condition, will post a photo when it arrives,
But for now, the here's a pic of the 4/0 LH reel.
Col
Col, love the LH reel man, great find!
Thanks Darin,
There's a fair bit of corrosion on this one, the photo doesn't really show it, So I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with it
till I see how it cleans up. I have no Idea of the age, I wont fish with it, so I'll probably shelve this one. Is it like the pre war vintage ones,
as far as, leave it alone how it comes out after a clean ?. It's got part numbers so it's post 50's, so would parts be available or interchangeable so I have the option of prettying it up ?, or just clean and shelve ?
Col
Col,
I can't wait to see pictures of your new first generation 12/0! I'm glad you didn't hesitate on it!
Couple more. The handle is gorgeous. Green is my favorite
Holy moly Batman.....looks like it just left the factory !!
You're right Robin... What a beauty. Dominick
another home run, Chris, congrats!
somebody buys a reel to go fishing and then somebody said no your not ;) love that reel,,,,75 years old and looks brand new,,,, ;D
Beautiful reel Chris, I guess its all about connections...and money of course ;D.
The 10/0 is one of my favorite, I have a few in great shape myself and actually had one just like yours, but got rid of it 4 years ago and yes it is still bothering me :)
Your collection keeps getting better and better, very nice.
Sal
Chris that is a beauty, nice find, WOW. the condition !
SO, I did weaken and decide that all those lovely senators on show from everyone, I just had to jump on the 12/0.
It's the first one I've seen bigger than 6/0, Holy @@@@, I can only imagine how big the 16/0 is, geez,
Anyway, I quickly took a few photo's before her indoors came home, then hid the offending item for the time being,
That was an issue in itself, hiding it and completely upset my shelving plans.
Anyway, here it is, again sorry for the quality of the pics.
I've worked out it's a first generation, also has the coin edge on the handle and other lever. Is it a case of only being able to approximate
The age, or can the handle be a clue as well ?
Of course, i shall be consulting the "book".
cheers
Col
That's a beauty, Col!
I think 1937 was when the 12/0 had no front harness lugs
Your 12/0 is in exceptionally nice condition and hope you continue to find more ancient Penns
Ted
Thanks Ted, they really are a thing of beauty when you have them in hand !
Col
Nice spool of line too. Looks unused.
-steve
WOW Col that is a keeper! What a beautiful first gen!
Thanks Chris,
And a special thanks to you for your help and advice, very much appreciated.
If ever I get over Stateside, I'm picking that your collection is one worth viewing !!!!
Col
This 12/0 also represents the first senator with a fishing scene picture plate. Notice the goofy looking boat with a roof over the entire back deck, and side canvas too !!
The 14/0 & 16/0 both had this same tailplate fishing scene
A newbie question here.
The line is very loosely wound on my new 12/0 and managed to manipulate it to see the spool looks to be in great condition,
But, I would like to remove it to check the spool out properly etc.
Do you guys leave it off for display or what are peoples thoughts, ??
put it back on or leave the spool empty....
Ted, yes I checked out the side plate closely, it's great when you look at them carefully.
Col
It's all your personal preference Col. If I buy real that has monofilament on it it gets taken off immediately and thrown in the trash. If I buy reel like yours that has nice vintage linen line I reel it onto another reel in order to inspect and clean the spool. If the reel is it going to be a wall hanger I will put the old linen line back on it. If it is going to be in the glass display I leave the line off of it. If the spool is in bad shape I will take pics and cover it with the linen line. This way if I decide to sell it in the future I can show any perspective buyers pictures of the spool condition without having to unwind all the line again.
Again it's all your personal preference. You just have to figure out what's right for you.
Very good advice Chris!
Sal
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 19, 2019, 12:13:43 PM
It's all your personal preference Col. If I buy real that has monofilament on it it gets taken off immediately and thrown in the trash. If I buy reel like yours that has nice vintage linen line I reel it onto another reel in order to inspect and clean the spool. If the reel is it going to be a wall hanger I will put the old linen line back on it. If it is going to be in the glass display I leave the line off of it. If the spool is in bad shape I will take pics and cover it with the linen line. This way if I decide to sell it in the future I can show any perspective buyers pictures of the spool condition without having to unwind all the line again.
Again it's all your personal preference. You just have to figure out what's right for you.
I do pretty much as Chris does. Nice, old line can make a reel mounted on a rod look much more authentic, but most all of my reels on the shelf are without line. I have saved some of the nicer line on a few of the larger reels, because you can't find that in good shape very easily. I think I have a 9/0 and a 12/0 Senator currently storing line. On each spool there are various types of line - I just tie on to the last line and wind up the new - sometimes it goes back on the spool it came off of after cleaning - Chris' idea of taking a pic of the spool before it gets covered back up is a good one. Most of the line that arrives with a reel is crap and goes in the trash.
Those are Newell teflon bushings. Supposed to get better freespool
Thanks Swami!
So I should not replace them with factory Penn?
I've had them on a few reels for many years, they work well and no chance of corrosion. They were a "thing" out here with penn reels when you'd put the whole Newell kit on. Honestly don't know that they make much difference but they don't hurt either. It's a bit of fishing history
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love
Quote from: Darin Crofton on January 19, 2019, 08:01:57 PM
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love
it needs much much less love than mine ;D ;D :D
nice find for $60.00
Quote from: steelfish on January 19, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on January 19, 2019, 08:01:57 PM
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love
it needs much much less love than mine ;D ;D :D
nice find for $60.00
I was thinking of you when I picked it up yesterday ;D
Great find and price Darin,
And a neat project to boot.
Col
Quote from: milne on January 20, 2019, 05:18:59 AM
Great find and price Darin,
And a neat project to boot.
Col
Thanks, Col, Daron is sending me a handle/knob and I'll take it apart and see what's going on in there.
Should be a lot of fun bringing it back to life. Darin
Darin, I like getting some pristine ones straight to the shelf, like my recent 12/0
But getting a project, or one that needs some TLC is what keeps it interesting.
I recon she will look like a jewel once done......
Col
Darin; I noticed the handle side plate has a mixed bag of screws, be sure to change them with Penn screws. Also take pitchers of the disassembly and assembly for us.
Joe
Quote from: milne on January 20, 2019, 06:00:00 AM
Darin, I like getting some pristine ones straight to the shelf, like my recent 12/0
But getting a project, or one that needs some TLC is what keeps it interesting.
I recon she will look like a jewel once done......
Col
I agree and I'm more into projects myself, so this one is exciting me!
Quote from: Reel 224 on January 20, 2019, 07:35:56 AM
Darin; I noticed the handle side plate has a mixed bag of screws, be sure to change them with Penn screws. Also take pitchers of the disassembly and assembly for us.
Joe
Yes, new screws for sure and lots of pics, Joe, thanks buddy!
Chris, If you're gonna use the reel stick with those Newell bushings, if you're gonna shelf it (because it's mint) than take them out and save them for a reel you're going to use. They fit on other reels as well, i.e. 112h.
Nice reel.
Darin, that's a score for $60... well done.
Dom
Quote from: broadway on January 20, 2019, 03:37:16 PM
Chris, If you're gonna use the reel stick with those Newell bushings, if you're gonna shelf it (because it's mint) than take them out and save them for a reel you're going to use. They fit on other reels as well, i.e. 112h.
Nice reel.
Darin, that's a score for $60... well done.
Dom
Yeah. That 501 looks like it didn't get used too much, or too hard. Could it be the bushings were installed and then the reel wasn't used? The sticker says yes! But ya never know...
Darin, hope those Phillips head screws didn't wreck the Penn threads. $60? Hell yes!
To me they appear to be Accurate ss screws, having the same threads as the stock screws.
They are actually better than stock.
Great buy Darin...enjoy it!
Sal
Dom i replaced the bearings since it's getting shelved. If anybody wants them (free) let me know.
You're a classy guy Chris!...you will make someone here very happy.
Very nice.
Sal
I will take them Chris if you don't want them for a 112 . John Taylor
Very nice of you, Chris ... John, you'll enjoy the smoothness.
Dom
Recently stumbled onto a Long Beach 68 that nobody else wanted...till I came along ;D Also bought a 67 for pocket change as a donor reel, but after cleaning off the old grime, I decided it was too nice to use for a parts reel.
Ted
Damn nice!!
WOW!!!! very nice. I have several 68's, an undersung piece if there is one, but mine are of the retired-from-headboat variety, not those queens you got there brother!
Sure wouldn't mind stumbling with you some day, Ted. I'm blind from that glare! 8)
Nice finds,
Dom
Ted's donors look they came off some collector's top shelf. The donors I buy look like a barnacle farm. Nice LBs Ted!
Well, I fish anodized lever drags and a bunch of graphite this-that-and-the-other for other things. BUT I wish I could go back in time, and walk into Abercrombie and Fitch before they started selling pants I can't get one thigh in, and see polished chrome for sale, and Harnell's, Magnaflex, St.Croix and Fenwicks, to smell fresh varnish and metal polish...so much more than the aluminum spools and plastic frames now....
Quote from: mo65 on January 21, 2019, 02:17:16 AM
The donors I buy look like a barnacle farm.
I almost spit out a glass of wine. Very funny Mo. Dominick
I remember going into Abercrombie and Fitch when I was a kid and marveling at all that high end gear, alot of fly gear,creels and the like. I could never picture myself in one of those tweed coats with the patches on the elbows. Reality would set in and back to scrounging for blue chip stamps around the house for a new reel.
Quote from: Darin Crofton on January 19, 2019, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: steelfish on January 19, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on January 19, 2019, 08:01:57 PM
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love
it needs much much less love than mine ;D ;D :D
nice find for $60.00
I was thinking of you when I picked it up yesterday ;D
QuoteRecently stumbled onto a Long Beach 68 that nobody else wanted...till I came along Grin Also bought a 67 for pocket change as a donor reel, but after cleaning off the old grime, I decided it was too nice to use for a parts reel.
Ted, you do realize that your old parts reels look better than my NOS reels................ That is beginning to depress me..........................................<:O(
Picked up this puppy today,
By my accounts, it's a first generation 9/0, and with the handle, should be a first year 36 ?????
It's my second first generation now, it looks like a pup next to the 12/0,
It's not the best of conditions, has some issues, but a good clean up should have it looking in OK condition.
My photo's aren't the best, but someone may have taken to it with the intent of buffing it up, or maybe this has some decent use.
Col
Sweet looking reel, Col, you did good man!
Wow, very nice condition 1st gen
The oil port in the knob makes it more likely a 1937 version, but still a fantastic find !!
Thanks guys, Yes, I have sort of found a liking to these Senators !
I didn't know that regarding the oil port in the handle making it a 37, thanks for that.
My photography examples weren't really that good, or at least didn't really show up it's condition to well.
It does have some corrosion issues, including patches of that green stuff !, so it's nowhere near the condition of my 12/0 I got recently.
BUT, I know I can give it a good going over and make it more presentable, albeit with a bit of Patina, enough for it to look half decent on the shelf.
cheers
Col
Yes it's a correct first year 12/0, the only year with no front lugs, my 37, like most, had the handle changed out for the easier to crank torpedo grip after they became available in 39, so extra good find to get a first year with the original wooden grip.
Nice find Col, with that 9/0, it drives me mad, when people try to print there name or initials on the chrome rings, it would be just as good on the top of the foot, maybe, it will polish up good, cheers Don.
The internals look weird to me. Not like what I'm used to seeing on my other penns.
I think I answered my own question. Consulting of the bluebook it appears this is a first year 1933 Seaford with the internals that they were accused of infringing on.
Great find, Chris, and some history to go along with it!
This 78 just came in the mail,,,,with shipping $24.75,,,I though I pay to much ??? But when I seen it,,,, ;D
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 24, 2019, 07:04:47 PM
I think I answered my own question. Consulting of the bluebook it appears this is a first year 1933 Seaford with the internals that they were accused of infringing on.
that's a nice seaford,,,,, :D a 33,,,, ;D
Thats some nice mottling Benni!
That's a pretty sweet find Benni!
Thanks my friends,,,, ;D
I've Never seen a mottled picture plate like that before Benni.
Incredible!
Such a cool reel, Benni, great find!
Great find Benni, that will be a cool display reel.
Chris, I too got a first year Seaford, was hoping the JK markings were inside, but no.
What was said was, that these Seafords were very late 33, and Penn used there first shipment of side plates, hence no markings
It's over in the vintage section, quite interesting.
here's mine.
Col
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 25, 2019, 06:11:47 AM
I've Never seen a mottled picture plate like that before Benni.
Incredible!
I have one of those mottled picture tail plates for a 78...but that's
all I have...Benni has the
whole enchilada!
Nice score on the Seafords too Chris and Col. 8)
Beautiful reel Benni ;)
Col is this what you are talking about? It is on the inside of ny tailplate.
Cool, bet that 25th anniv. sticker makes the box even more collectible. Looks brand new.
What a beauty, no customizing that baby, put it on a shelf.
Sal
NICE reel Darin great allocation to your collection. The price on the box :o :'( not today!!
Joe
Nice one Darin!!
Thanks everybody, it was a steal of a buy and I'm loving the history of it as well.
Another great one you found, Chris!
Nice Greenie Chris.
Ok, you have the JK markings, I've got 2 now, one with original box, and both have no JK, both were Penns first side plates used.
Good find
Col
Well, I did the big clean up on my 4/0 LH reel,
Swapped out a few parts from a donor reel, reel seat, inner rings etc.
It's not perfect, but it's free of the green stuff and because it's a LH, I will place it on the shelf.....
Col
QuoteThis 710 was a local buy. Box has some issues but I believe this is a time capsul reel that has never been used.
great reel. Very tough to fiind NOS like that. These were usually heavily used. The spools on these are different than all the other Greenies. Careful with them, they will break if over stressed. Seeing one with the sticker still on it is rare.
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!
Very nice. Root beer - foot ball handle and all. It looks to be two tone. Is it part wood?
-g
Wow, that's a heck of a bonus Chris!
Looks like you're on your way for the first generation complete collection, or maybe you're already there :).
Nice reels!
Sal
Whoa... Gotta love those striped torpedos. Seems the knobs had more character and variety in the earliest days then became more simple and homogeneous as time went on.
Chris
I like the BONUS reel better than the 6/0 1st gen !! The 4/0s seem harder to come by. Another 500 reels and you will have all the Penn's ! Lol Nice find ! John Taylor
It doesnt come close to yours John
I agree with John.....that waffle click 4/0 belongs in the Smithsonian
Ted
Thanks guys, I'm particularly proud to own these two because they belonged to Ray Hodges.
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 27, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!
Let me know if you ever find a second generation 4/0. The smaller reels came in the same configuration from the beginning.
Sid
Quote from: sdlehr on January 28, 2019, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 27, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!
Let me know if you ever find a second generation 4/0. The smaller reels came in the same configuration from the beginning.
Sid
I have several second generation 4/0 reels. Are you feeling OK this morning Sid? LOL
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 28, 2019, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on January 28, 2019, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 27, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!
Let me know if you ever find a second generation 4/0. The smaller reels came in the same configuration from the beginning.
Sid
I have several second generation 4/0 reels. Are you feeling OK this morning Sid? LOL
Dang, it's the 3/0 and smaller that never changed configuration? Sorry Chris, some of the things that were crystal clear in my mind just a year or two ago have started to get a little foggy, I guess. I never wish to be a source of misinformation, I apologize.
Got an older Penn 9/0 for $ 60 (Ted said it was a good price) including shipping. Looks like it was never used but there was some pitting on one side of the spool, one ring and the top of the seat other than that it was clean especially the internals. A little cleaning replaced the three stack drag with a five and but it back together, put it on an old fenwick to play with. With that three piece spool will it be OK to spool half full with braid and they fill with mono ??
Cheers:
Todd
Looks like it was a great price!
Darin,
your 4/0 may be earlier than 57 (or not) with the logo under the eccentric, I believe I've read here that it migrated up under the lug in the "mid fifties". I'll defer this comment to anyone here with any real knowledge beyond the one comment I recall having read on the dating of the switch.
Quote from: Cuttyhunker on January 28, 2019, 07:27:09 PM
Darin,
your 4/0 may be earlier than 57 (or not) with the logo under the eccentric, I believe I've read here that it migrated up under the lug in the "mid fifties". I'll defer this comment to anyone here with any real knowledge beyond the one comment I recall having read on the dating of the switch.
Thanks for the reply, Cutty!
I think the logo move is later. Into the 60s when they started with the 113 logo
Picked up a 10/0 this past weekend for another steal, I love the narrow width compared to the 12/0. Going to clean it up this weekend when I get my new reel work desk, so excited to finally get a work area! Pics to follow . . .
Quote from: Hardy Boy on January 28, 2019, 04:43:49 PMWith that three piece spool will it be OK to spool half full with braid and they fill with mono ??
Yeah, that should be OK. The braid should compress and prevent the mono from blowing the spool out. The standard recommendation I've read is to fill the spool 1/3 full with dacron line and then the rest with mono. I doubt dacron is much more or less compressible than braid line.
Darin, That's a great buy ! well done.
I don't have a 10/0 and wondered where it fits, with regards to size.
So, is it the same diameter as the 12/0 but narrower ?
Col
Darin i like your anniversary box. I have one too but its the surf fisherman. The 6/0 anniversary box is the boat fisherman like yours. I never realized or I just don't remember mine being different??
...And Chris,
Those 1st generation Senators are beautiful !!!!
Wow
Col
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 28, 2019, 08:43:44 PM
Darin i like your anniversary box. I have one too but its the surf fisherman. The 6/0 anniversary box is the boat fisherman like yours. I never realized or I just don't remember mine being different??
That's really cool to know about the boxes being different, does your 4/0 box have a reel in it? ;D
Quote from: milne on January 28, 2019, 08:40:29 PM
Darin, That's a great buy ! well done.
I don't have a 10/0 and wondered where it fits, with regards to size.
So, is it the same diameter as the 12/0 but narrower ?
Col
Col,
From what I've learned here, the 10/0 is just a narrowed version on the 12/0, I think that's why Sal likes the 10/0 so much.
Someone more knowledgable can chime in I hope?
Quote from: Darin Crofton on January 28, 2019, 09:17:19 PM
Quote from: milne on January 28, 2019, 08:40:29 PM
Darin, That's a great buy ! well done.
I don't have a 10/0 and wondered where it fits, with regards to size.
So, is it the same diameter as the 12/0 but narrower ?
Col
Col,
From what I've learned here, the 10/0 is just a narrowed version on the 12/0, I think that's why Sal likes the 10/0 so much.
Someone more knowledgable can chime in I hope?
Darin is correct —
Of the (10) Senators —
14/0 is a narrow 16/0
10/0 is a narrow 12/0
2/0 is a narrow 3/0
The 9/0, 6/0, 4/0, & 1/0 are all "stand alone" diameters.
Best,
Fred
Thank you Fred for clearing that up, I appreciate the education ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Fred, all clear now.
Some nice eye candy there !
Col
1958 49M with original box, catalog, and original purchase receipt from June 26 1958.
The box says super mariner, but the reel has deep sea reel endplate. Penn simply melded the 2 together and even some modern day 49L "super mariner" reels have the deep sea side plate.
Ted
In 1952 Penn introduced the Penn 49 new name of Super Mariner but as Penn is Penn there were plenty Deep Sea Reel sideplates in stock so they used them as they pleased I guess ...
Beautiful Reel there Ted She's a keeper :)
AC49
Chris, hate to break it to you, but ORCA defines a mint reel as one that has never had line on it.... :) Really.
Sid, hate to break it to you, but I really dont care. LOL.... :)
Seriously tho shes clean as a whistle
CLICK HERE (https://www.orcaonline.org/services/reel-grading/) for the ORCA grading system. It doesn't come out and say here what I said about the line, but this reel would grade out an A10 because you can't say it's never been used - because the line is on it..... but practically there is no difference between a mint reel and an A10.
Looking good and congrats. Minty Fresh! :D
-g
Call it whatever you want to, that's one gorgeous reel!
Sal
Great find Chris, thanks for showing, if its not mint, it would be good in my cabinet, cheers Don.
Minty fresh, that's a beauty! Looks like it was spooled and put back in the box.
I had a girl like that once ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Darin Crofton on February 01, 2019, 12:58:36 AM
I had a girl like that once ;D ;D ;D
Darin: What ever do you mean? ;) :) :)
Joe
Picked up a Silver beach with star drag to go with my non star drag one today.
It's in reasonable condition, will clean up OK for the shelf.
But was surprised on two counts, unlike my non star drag knuckle buster, this one had a waffle type button,
And it turned out to be a lefty !. Didn't know they existed until I went into Mike's book, introduced in 38, so since it has the waffle clicker
I'm presuming this was a first year model ? BUT, handles not right for that !
So I find I'll now have to look for a RH one now, and a LH non star drag !!!
It doesn't end this Penn reel collection Caper !!!!
Col
that lefty is a nice find Col!
Quote from: sdlehr on January 31, 2019, 11:32:24 PM
CLICK HERE (https://www.orcaonline.org/services/reel-grading/) for the ORCA grading system. It doesn't come out and say here what I said about the line, but this reel would grade out an A10 because you can't say it's never been used - because the line is on it..... but practically there is no difference between a mint reel and an A10.
Line ona reel that's never touched salt or freshwater would just help keep the spool pristine lookin. Unless maybe, it was stored outa the box in a humid climate. If it were mine, I'd remove the line to see... Perhaps we needa "AT grading system".
Grading reels is super subjective even with guidelines. That's a beauty of a 6/0, Chris. Congrats on your find.
Col, I never heard of a lefty knuckle buster. Wouldn't a knuckle buster work with either hand?
Dom
Thanks Dom!
Well I took the line off to inspect the spool. Looks really good. I see no reason to put the line back on so I will save it for something else
Wow Chris, very nice! But still not mint :) I guess "Minty" is ok :)
WOW
That reel is beautiful, Chris, great add to your collection buddy!
Chris, Stunning ! what ever the grading would be called, still Stunning !
And a great addition to any collection, well done.......
That 4/0 with the waffle clicker, Wow.....
Dom, I agree, a knuckle buster winds both ways.
When I realised it was a Lefty, I went into mikes book and in 38 & 39 it's marked as "both" for LH option
Then from 40-41-42 it's only marked as the 97 as a lefty option.
Maybe it was just a typo ? Or I've just mis read or mis understood.... which is probably more likely.... ;D
Col
QuoteWhen I realised it was a Lefty, I went into mikes book and in 38 & 39 it's marked as "both" for LH option
Then from 40-41-42 it's only marked as the 97 as a lefty option.
The Model 98 would never be marked as a Left Hand drive reel because it has no anti-reverse. Simply turning the reel on the rod allowed for Left Hand operation.
I know everyone calls reels without an anti-reverse "Knuckle Busters" but the true meaning of Knuckle Buster is a reel with no drag, anti-reverse or free spool. The term was coined in the turn of the century in California at the Catalina Tuna Club. Back then many reels were simple winches, so when a tuna grabbed your bait the handle spun like an aircraft propeller. Many fisherman had damaged hands trying to stop or grab the handle.
I scored a mate for my existing tricked out 4/0 special today,
It had been sitting in a shed for a few years and looks as though it may have been converted and not fished.
I have one exactly the same and know what it cost me to trick it up, so for a $50 exchange, I was more than happy.
My one is my go to reel for just about everything in the boat, and have been thinking of doing another one for some time.
Haven't had a look inside this new one yet, but the seller couldn't give me any info on it apart from that it was in the shed when they
bought the house !!! So I'll open it up and have a look to see if any mod's were done inside and give it a good service, find another suitable
rod like my other one and I'll be set !!!!
Makes a change from all the vintage ones I've been concentrating on of late....
Col
Sweeeet ! Great find and price...
Cool
Hi cool,
Yeah, I was wrapped, and a bit embarrassed when he only wanted $50 for it, I actually couldn't reach for my wallet quick enough.
The one I already have, is a " fished version" of exactly the same !
I was only recently scouring the forum and looking at randy's offerings, as I wanted a second one doing.......
Col
It couldn't have been laying in the shed for very long because it has the latest style topless Tib frame for use without inner rings on the plates. Rudy
Ok, thanks Rudy, Haven't compared it to my existing one yet, I will do that next time at the factory.
The seller said they have had the house for 3-4 years and it was box in the shed where they found it.
My one I did maybe 7-8 years ago from memory, Gee, maybe longer, I cant remember, will be interesting to compare the reels.
Col
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 26, 2019, 06:15:46 AM
QuoteThis 710 was a local buy. Box has some issues but I believe this is a time capsul reel that has never been used.
great reel. Very tough to fiind NOS like that. These were usually heavily used. The spools on these are different than all the other Greenies. Careful with them, they will break if over stressed. Seeing one with the sticker still on it is rare.
Just wanted to point out that there is one of these with box and sticker on the big auction site right now. Its not mine but in case anyone is interested.
Quote from: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 05:09:06 PMFound an early pre-numbers 1/0, love these little Senators!
Didn't know they made un-numbered 1/0's, cool.
Nice find Darin!
Quote from: nelz on February 07, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 05:09:06 PMFound an early pre-numbers 1/0, love these little Senators!
Didn't know they made un-numbered 1/0's, cool.
I didn't know until yesterday ;D
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 07, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Nice find Darin!
Thanks, Chris!
Nice reel Darin, are you going to fish it?
Joe
Quote from: Reel 224 on February 07, 2019, 08:23:23 PM
Nice reel Darin, are you going to fish it?
Joe
Probably not, it's too pretty ;D
Oh hell yeah Darren that's a nice score I love that 6/0
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 07, 2019, 09:38:38 PM
Oh hell yeah Darren that's a nice score I love that 6/0
I had a feeling you'd like that one, Chris ;D
:o That's a pretty one Darin!!
Great 6/0,,,and everytime I look at the thread it's like a firework show,,,,thanks guys for sharing them,,, ;D
Darin, That's a Shelfy, great score !
Your getting some nice stuff of late, Congrats.
Col
Quote from: milne on February 08, 2019, 04:15:26 AM
Darin, That's a Shelfy, great score !
Your getting some nice stuff of late, Congrats.
Col
Quote from: Benni3 on February 08, 2019, 01:07:34 AM
Great 6/0,,,and everytime I look at the thread it's like a firework show,,,,thanks guys for sharing them,,, ;D
Thank you guys, it's one of my new favorites for sure!
Nice 6/0 Darin,
I haven't visited this thread in a while.
I'm slacking in my old age. ;)
Minty, Mint, whatever.
That 6/0 of Chris's is mint if there ever was one!
I will call it, Damn!!! :o
Beautiful reel Darin! put it on a shelf, you have many others to fish ;).
Sal
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 08, 2019, 05:58:49 AM
Nice 6/0 Darin,
I haven't visited this thread in a while.
I'm slacking in my old age. ;)
Minty, Mint, whatever.
That 6/0 of Chris's is mint if there ever was one!
I will call it, Damn!!! :o
Thanks brother!
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 08, 2019, 02:15:28 PM
Beautiful reel Darin! put it on a shelf, you have many others to fish ;).
Sal
I will do just that my friend ;D
what a cool reel, Chris, never seen one before, I like the dark green and picture on it, great score buddy!
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?
Wow, that's a beauty, can't be very many of those. Beautiful condition too. Nice find!
These green pre war Penns are very common.....
.....but only if your first name starts with Chris :D
Not Pre war like what I have been targeting, BUT
A late 40's Surfmaster, basically NIB. some real delicate Penn packing paper, which I've not seen before
And a Penn plastic reel bag, again, not seen one of these before.
Must have been bought then put away, I don't believe it's ever had line on it.
Col
Chris,
I think that green 155 needs to be sent down under for authentication purposes !
Promise I'll send it right back ;D
Col
:D
Quote from: Gfish on February 09, 2019, 03:03:59 AM
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?
No thanks buddy I'm married.
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 09, 2019, 06:36:51 AM
Quote from: Gfish on February 09, 2019, 03:03:59 AM
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?
No thanks buddy I'm married.
HaHaHaHa........
:D
QuoteIt has the early picture tail plate and stipled headplate
That green 155 is the first one I have seen. it is a very early reels, probably late 1940's. I would say it is a special order reel. Very unusual to see a Light Tackle reel in the odd color. Great find!!!
Very nice find Chris. First one I have ever seen.
Chris, it's probably not, but have you checked to be sure it hasn't been painted? :). It's been done before, and it's that odd that I would check. I'd crack it open and if it's the same green on the inside I'd scratch a spot internally to be sure it was green all the way through. Looks correct, but you can't be too trusting of the human race these days.....
Edit: looking at the pics again I think I can see the green is a little blotchy in places and looks brownish in places. Not saying it's definitely painted, but maybe I'm not so sure anymore..... I could just be seeing dirt on the green plate, but I see it on both head and tail plates.
Sid its legit.
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 09, 2019, 03:52:45 PM
Sid its legit.
I hope you come back and show us pics after it's cleaned up a little.....
Quote from: sdlehr on February 09, 2019, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 09, 2019, 03:52:45 PM
Sid its legit.
I hope you come back and show us pics after it's cleaned up a little.....
Sorry its not up to your standards.
I just assumed you were going to clean it up because that's what I would do - if you don't want to, that's up to you, but there's no need to apologize for it. It's a great find and I would clean it up - at least with some soap and water - but that's just what I would do. I apologize if my statement put you off.
Some serious collectors like to see the reels untouched, especially one of this caliber.
Sal
Thanks for sharing your find, Chris!
Reminds me of Chili Verde.
Great historical Penn piece.
Best,
Fred
Chris,
That is the reel deal, pal.... and a major score! First one these I've seen as well.
Nice find,
Dom
I think you should re-paint it red......and install newer power handle and go fishin'
Looks like green paint to me LOL !!!!!!
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 09, 2019, 06:36:51 AM
Quote from: Gfish on February 09, 2019, 03:03:59 AM
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?
No thanks buddy I'm married.
Happily?... Probably...lucky lady. PM me if you change your mind.
Ha! , good one Chris. You can tell by the comparitive lameness of my come-back.
Im sorry Col I forgot to congratulate you on a great find with that Surfmaster! About as mint as you could hope to find! I love those green tags!
Thanks Chris,
First green tag I've got actually,
But speaking of Green, nothing like that show piece green reel you scored but.
But at least it shows there are still some good finds out there if you look hard.
cheers Chris
Col
Hi Chris,
I don't know much about the "Greenies", But that is one real nice clean looking one, Congrats......
Bill, That's as original condition as they come !
I'm looking forward to the after shots, I recon it will scrub up a treat.....
Col
Whoa Bill that actually looks good all dirty. It also looks like it would clean up pretty well. Your wife has a good eye
You're gonna have a blast bringin' that one back from the dark side Bill...it looks like the kind that comes out way better than ya had figured. The wifey scored big! 8)
Curious to see if that spool is drilled. If so, it's early 2nd generation. Looks like it might turn out to be.
I agree, that reel will shine with some love and attention and that we know you can do. ;)
Quite a wife ya got there,
Dom
PS= get another 6/0 side plate cause you most likely can't fix it properly
Bill, Mystic-Penn-parts has the clicker assembly, 'cept it's gotta be peened in. Pounding on it could possibly break the plate, though, if you's to miss.
Beautiful reel Darin! At the rate you're going, another month and you will need a bigger house ;D
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 01, 2019, 02:11:39 AM
Beautiful reel Darin! At the rate you're going, another month and you will need a bigger house ;D
haha, I do sell some of them, but a bigger house would be nice ;D
Oh Wow Darin, that looks real pretty !
You have definitely got the knack in finding some nice Gem's,
well done.
Col
You callin' that reel pristine ??.....c'mon man.....are you blind ??
.....the lube tube is dented, and the catalog has a folded corner ;D ;D
nice reel Darin
Extra cool beans on that one brother...bill
Thanks guys, I've been doing a lot of searching and once in awhile I find a good one ;D
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 01, 2019, 01:45:26 AM
Picked up a pristine 349H yesterday, one of my favorite reels.
One lever 349H... love it !
Cool
Nice reel Darin!!
Quote from: 1badf350 on March 01, 2019, 06:15:04 AM
Nice reel Darin!!
Thanks, Chris, something about these 349's that I love, I have four and gave another one away too. Do you have any of them?
:o :o :o
Nice find Darin. Dominick
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 01, 2019, 07:09:03 AM
Quote from: 1badf350 on March 01, 2019, 06:15:04 AM
Nice reel Darin!!
Thanks, Chris, something about these 349's that I love, I have four and gave another one away too. Do you have any of them?
I have a single lever that is maroon but not great shape.
Minty fresh ;D
Love it man!
Mint for sure, just great, thanks for showing us, cheers Don.
Oh yeah! Mint indeed with that Penn label/tag on the bar.
Chris that handle is pretty for a 1939 first gen 6/0 :o :o
Cheers
AC49
Thanks guys!
That must have cost a pretty penny...what a find!
Thanks for showing it to us.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 02, 2019, 12:16:21 PM
That must have cost a pretty penny...
Sal
Yes , 23.50$ ;D
Those were the much bigger 1930's buck a roos
That handle knob is fantastic...great colors! Museum piece of a reel there Chris.
Quote from: mo65 on March 02, 2019, 11:34:59 PM
That handle knob is fantastic...great colors! Museum piece of a reel there Chris.
that is fantastic and sometimes the knob is just so cool,,,,it makes a big difference,,,,,,, ;D
This just came in,,,, :D I think it's a 1937 Seahawk,,,, ;D
Nice reel there, Benni3!
You are correct Benni. Penn went back to the 3 post design except this time around they went with black side plates for one last year.
Clean her up and shelf her.
Enjoy your find,
Dom
Nice find! Bill
Nice reel Benni!
Nice Reel
This one is not pre war and not as sought after, but my guess is the 50's era reels will someday gain a higher status in the collector world, just not in my lifetime ;) ;)
Thanks my friends,,,,, :D and like that 49m very nice,,,,, ;D
Only you could find a reel like that... mint in the mint box with all the fixins.
Darn, that's a nice package. Enjoy it pal.
Thanks for showing us a sweet find,
Dom
PS- Mint in the mint box Penn reels from the 50's that have key features like yours (49M on box and the wiffled spool and all in that condition) will always bring good numbers.
Super cool reel, Ted, that spool is wild!
Oh yeah thats a beauty Ted for sure!
That's a cracker of a find, nice reel.....................
Col
Nice!
Is the waffeled spool for wire line maybe?
Quote from: Gfish on March 06, 2019, 02:58:43 PM
Nice!
Is the waffeled spool for wire line maybe?
The box says Wire Line Trolling so I would guess so. ;D Rudy
It's been a while since I posted this one, and had requests to post again. It's been in my custody for several years now and it lives in a sealed glass case, and covered from daylight to prevent box or label from fading
1936 1st year 9/0 with factory fresh box..... I paid a kings ransom to own it, but have no regrets whatsoever
Ted
There is no finer example of first year 9/0 reel and box than that one right there.
Certainly a center piece of any Penn collection.
Thanks for posing her up for us to drool over,
Dom
Gorgeous reel Ted, that box is in amazing condition! Probably the nicest extant.
Speaking of Kings ransoms, I cant match the box but I will raise you a reel. LOL ;D ;)
Wow Ted and Chris, enough said.
Now back to reality for us normal blokes LOL
I'm a bit embarrassed to show and tell mine after the last couple of stunners shown,
But I'm plugging away and trying to plug gaps in my Senator passion, until the opportunity arises for those illusive 1st generation ones.
Have a few on their way, ( not 1st gen) but managed to plug a gap here with a boxed 4/0, in used condition with old chord line on it,
But I can tell it will clean up beautifully, but with a box type I didn't have before.
From what I can tell, from the price and type of box, somewhere between 58-60 ??
Anyways, I absolutely luv the handle, hope the Pic comes out so you can see it......
Col
Col, love everything about that reel, box and cord line, the colors of all of it together look sweet!
Thanks Darin, Something to tinker with and clean up and then onto the shelf.
I wasn't going to put the other I received today up, I bought it on impulse and the fact It was only $14.00, the postage came in at
$7.50 for one of those satchels, So $21.00 for a boxed 1950 reel, I was happy with that and gives me some more evening Tele time cleaning.
Didn't realise how board I was of a night time once I had stripped and cleaned up all the reels I have got so far, So I'll stretch the process out on
These two for a few days hopefully !
Not the clearest of photo's
Col
Thats a heck of a nice 4/0 Col, the box is in amazing shape! Love that old black line.
Thanks Chris, It is in good condition, a simple clean up and it will be a good Shelfy, Maybe a little bit of green stuff under the line, but it
Should clean up well. Not up to those stunners you and Ted put up, but I've just widened my search a little for the Senators, until they
Swapped over to the different boxes. I was very lucky to snare a pretty well mint anniversary model with a box, which will arrive in a few weeks,
along with a couple of other non numbered senators, so I've definitely widened my parameters a wee bit....
Cheers
Col
Nice reel Chris!...love that handle.
Sal
You found the diamond in the rough, Chris, great find buddy!
Terrific score Chris, good eye !
Col
QuoteWent to the annual GBFA flea market in Chesapeake VA yesterday. It was a big show. The vintage reels were mostly common and well used. I dod manage to scoop up this nice old Long Beach
That is a special find. About a 1937 or so. Worth a fortune in parts. Great reel.
Nice find Chris, did you polish the handle yourself, if so, what did you use, please, cheers Don.
You always seem to be in the right place at the right time Chris.
Great Find Brother!
I've never seen a Long Beach as Pretty. ;)
Saw this last week at a local flea market/antique mall as we were leaving to get my wife to work. Can anyone identify this and tell me is it worth going back for another look. did not have time to find staff and open the case.
Great 6/0's,,,,there just fabulous,,,,,, ;D
C.M.S. check to see if that reel is painted, it looks like the spool is brown on 1 side and black on the other. Maybe it's just the photo? If that's factory made buy it,$23 is well worth it, if painted not so much.
That's wild! Looks about 30 degrees off to me. Can't be too many of those around!
QuoteThe Penn That shouldn't exist
The reason these were not released has nothing to do with bad feelings of any employee. They were not released because the cost of importing the parts was too expensive. so the entire production stopped. They were sold in Japan by the maker of the parts. Daiwa. The distribution of the remaining Penn stock was done in a few different ways resulting in some of these reels being renamed in the USA and some sold with the Penn designation. The entire process turned out to be very weird. I wrote and article in the Reel News about the history of this particular reel.
Thanks Mike, I know closely held businesses, not being accountable to share holders, do some strange things so Dick's old explanation was plausible for this short lived anomaly.
QuoteThanks Mike, I know closely held businesses, not being accountable to share holders, do some strange things so Dick's old explanation was plausible for this short lived anomaly.
Yes, The explanation offered by Dick Braunn was a rumor back then. New information changed all that. I did some inquiries with Herbert Henze and he ended that employee rumor. Funny how stories get passed on. Dick was a major contributor for the Reel News article.
Quotelea market score today was a first generation 6/0. She ain't the prettiest girl at the dance but for $35 i couldnt say no.
$35.00 :o :o :o :o :o
Worth three times that on a bad day. Great score!!!!
Good Chris well done, after you get to it, we possibly wont reconize it, cheers Don.
I think he is done with it LOL !!!! ;D John Taylor
Very nice 6/0,,,,,, ;D
If you go to the for sale section on this site, you can find a guy that's selling custom Newell trigger clamps that should work for that reel. Nice score!
Boy, all you guys are getting some great stuff ! I thought I could pick up some goodies whle we were "down south", but, all I saw were either way out of my budget....or junk !
That's very nice,,,,, ;D
I like that 114 also. Looks really slick... Jeff
Nice one, Chris, I've been looking for a red anniversary model, what sizes did they come?
Thanks guys!
Darin they were 114HL, 113HL, and 113HLW (wide)
Quote from: 1badf350 on March 29, 2019, 11:31:20 PM
Thanks guys!
Darin they were 114HL, 113HL, and 113HLW (wide)
Thanks for the info buddy!
Hi All, I've been a tad quiet of late with regard to "Penn finds"
Although I do have a few finds arriving from over the big water any day now !!
So, below shows 2 Silverbeach reels, 97 & 98. The 98 I got a while back, a 38 year model and documented in the vintage section.
But I don't think I posted up on the 97. It's interesting to see them side by side.
The 98 has the drilled spool, the 97 has the post, the older 98 has the hershey clicker, the 97 has the waffle type.
I never noticed till after clean up, that the 97 is actually a L/H model, Which isnt stamped on the head plate, which I thought was cool.
It's a dizmal day out here, so the photo's aren't the clearest.
I do have a soft spot for these Silverbeach reels, they are one of my Favourites.....
Col
Cool reels, Col, and I'm excited to see your new reels sent from the good ole USA ;D ;D ;D
Good to see you posting again Col! Nice finds!
Ok, Well a package arrived a few days back, but have been fair under the pump at work catching up after my 10 days break to post up my
"just as I find them" additions.
Managed to fill a few more "Senator" gaps that I was looking for ( still a lot to go).
Not only Did I receive the reels, But the seller included a few extra's which I wasn't expecting, a couple of Penn vintage stickers and,
An old fishing knife with what looks to be Porcelaine side plates, Was blown away by this.
First two reels are, A non numbered 1/0, my first view of one of these and a non numbered 6/0, with coin edge counter balance,
Both in brilliant condition.
The second photo is a anniversary boxed 4/0 Senator, in superb condition.
These reels were good enough to go straight on the shelf........
Now the Seller was from the Ohana right here, Darin Crofton, Can't Say thank you enough to Darin, who gave me a great price and packed my little gems up and sent them half way around the world, and, as mentioned, put a few extra's in with the package as well.
It's great to meet new, similar minded friends on this great site, Thank you Darin........
Col
Nice Col! That 1/0 looks awfully familiar LOL Darin is that the one you bought from me?
You're so welcome my friend, Col, so happy everything got there safely and that you like the reels too!
Chris, I'm not sure about the 1/0, I'm having brain fog, but you're probably right? ;D
Nice! Way to keep it in the Ohana gentlemen!
As found at a sidewalk sale... $10.00. Missing L.S. bearing and
bearing spring. Easy to track (I hope). Circa 59'- 60's . Should
be an easy re-hab to put back in service...but, dissection will tell. ;)
My first Monofil.... could not pass it by.
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/nRNDvSC
That's going to clean up very well...shows us the after pictures when your done....Bill
QuoteThis one completes my set of red spool anniversary'ish reels
I kind of like the 500S. I know that some people say that everyone hated them. I remember a tackle dealer that had a whole bucket of them in the back of his shop. He told me they were very unpopular. The first Neptuna cradle rig I built to fish with had a 500S I used and I fished with it for years. Maybe it is because I have a special liking for Lexan as opposed to Bakelite. Your red spool version is a great add to a collection, in my opinion, even if the 500S is the Black Sheep of Jigmasters.
Thanks Mike!
Just picked up a grey monofil, came with an aluminum spool and a grey plastic spool. Doing a full clean up and adding some cf washers if needed. Now I have a green and a grey monofil, pretty neat little reels for sure.
QuoteJust picked up a grey monofil, came with an aluminum spool and a grey plastic spool. Doing a full clean up and adding some cf washers if needed. Now I have a green and a grey monofil, pretty neat little reels for sure.
These are great collectibles. Keep an eye out for different shades of gray coloring. There are a few that were lighter gray than others. Makes for an interesting comparison in a collection.
Great advice, Michael, I thought I'd seen a lighter one before, thanks!
Nice find Darin,
They clean up really well and stand out on the shelf compared to others.
I didn't know there were other shades of gray, as mike was saying, (more to collect sigh ).
I don't know how hard they are to find, I got lucky, but keep a eye out for the other coloured one, a lipsticked coloured monofil, the smallest of the 3,
they sure look puretty all lined up together on the shelf.
Nice addition Darin
Col
Quote from: milne on April 23, 2019, 08:15:56 AM
Nice find Darin,
They clean up really well and stand out on the shelf compared to others.
I didn't know there were other shades of gray, as mike was saying, (more to collect sigh ).
I don't know how hard they are to find, I got lucky, but keep a eye out for the other coloured one, a lipsticked coloured monofil, the smallest of the 3,
they sure look puretty all lined up together on the shelf.
Nice addition Darin
Col
Col, Which colored ones do you have? I haven't seen a red one for sale yet, but I've been looking... ;D
Hi Darin, I've got the green, the gray with only a chrome spool and the lipstick one.
The lipstick one really doesn't photograph well, but it's an amazing colour in the light. The lipstick and green one are pretty minty, but the grey one
needs a grey spool and it has some pitting on the handle.
There's something about them Darin, obviously the colours, but they do catch the eye on the shelf.
It's not the best photo, but here are mine.
Col
Those look awesome, Col, thanks for sharing my friend!
Nice set Col!
Great part of the Penn history
Nice !!
The introduction of the "monofil reels" was a total marketing scam....all 3 of these reels were already being made by Penn for many years prior to monofilament popularity
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 23, 2019, 08:23:57 PM
The introduction of the "monofil reels" was a total marketing scam....all 3 of these reels were already being made by Penn for many years prior to monofilament popularity
Ted
I seem to remember seeing an ad where they stated the tolerences were tightened for the new line type. Yeah right...they had the same rings, spools, everything...all used on Beachmasters and Baymasters for years. They sho' nuf was purty though! 8)
Mo, they were exactly the same except for the badging. You need to add the green 109,#9, and 209 and you'll have them all. ..advertised as "colormatic" reels
The 155 is a monofil 25 and every single part is the same
The monofil 26 was in production for many years as a 160, and same with the 27 that was known as a 180. I see no difference in line tolerance on the monofils, so to me it was all a marketing scheme and they continued making all of them for several years even though they were duplicate reels, but with different badging
The colored spools are plastic, right? If so, why would that be an enhancement for a reel designed for mono., with the stretching potential of mono. possibly breaking the spool?
Quote from: Gfish on April 23, 2019, 08:56:36 PM
The colored spools are plastic, right? If so, why would that be an enhancement for a reel designed for mono., with the stretching potential of mono. possibly breaking the spool?
That's the million dollar question G. I'd say the stretching debacle wasn't figured out until they all loaded up their shiny new Monofils with brand new mono...oh that horrifying crunch...oh the humanity. ;D
Wow John!
Oh wow John! Those are beautiful!
Sal
Very nice set John !!
....and also one heck of a large kitty litter box !!
Ted
Wow John those are really something. It looks like the cradles have a "trigger" on them. Do all the neptunas have that and I just never noticed?
Beautiful equipment !!
speechless
Yep, ditto to all the above.
John, thanks for showing those, absolutely awesome..
Col
QuoteInsert Quote
Here are my 3 monofils. I wish I had a nice Lipstick colored one as Col called it but there cool. I only have rods for two of them also all chrome spools as colored spools are to wide for these cradles. John Taylor
Very interesting way you built those rigs. I never thought of mounting the colored monofils into those sized frames. I suspect your coloramic Neptuna combo rigs are the only ones in the world done that way.
QuoteWow John those are really something. It looks like the cradles have a "trigger" on them. Do all the Neptunas have that and I just never noticed?
Not all, only the smaller models. Jigmaster Neptuna cradles have the trigger casting as do these small reel cradles, but the 49 / 349 and larger cradles do not have the trigger cast into the cradle.
Thanks for the complements !! Only ones in the world Very rare unless you have a small Nep-Tuna frame and you put a colored Monofil in it that would bring the price of these rare combos down quick !! Lol !! I bought the maroon one that way and added the gray and green thought they looked cool !! John Taylor
PS Gonna ask Dom if I can buy the red 9/0 Senator for another 9/0 cradle I have now that would be RARE !!!!
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 24, 2019, 12:23:02 AM
Very nice set John !!
....and also one heck of a large kitty litter box !!
Ted
It's a towel not a catbox !!! Lol !! ;D
wow. jewels.
As always, John pulls out the beautiful, impossible to finds that we all dream of.
PS- if I decide to sell Big Red some day we can talk. It sure would go to a good home with great company.
Really sweet nep-tunas!
Dom
Really sweet John, awesome, thanks for showing them, cheers Don.
No.249,,,,,,, :D I think it will clean up,,,,,, ;D
Nice Find Benni, That's got some character, just as I like them...
Col
Quote from: 1badf350 on May 08, 2019, 09:16:58 PM
You guys may need to help me date this one. I think its a 1949 first year Surfmaster 100 because of it having no part numbers. Im wondering if that plastic spool is correct
I believe '40 was the first year for the Surfy...and that space age spool is correct. These are great reels...good buy! 8)
Quote from: 1badf350 on May 08, 2019, 09:12:34 PM
The catalogs price a regular 60 at $6.50 from 1938-42 but I dont know when the LS models were made
I think the LS models came out in '41. Nice find! 8)
Thanks Mo!
Very nice looking reels,,,,, ;D
fins on the spool
-steve
Hi Chris,
Sorry I missed your last posts.
The long beach you found is the same as I found a few months back, I picked up the 60ls & the 65ls both boxed, but my 60ls has the hex clicker button.
From what I found out, I think it was Ted commenting, was that 40-41 was the last time they used the generic long beach name on the head plate and when they started phasing out the yardage on the reel seat, really cool looking boxes too....
My 60ls also has the optional reel clamp which was introduced around that time as well, so the consensus was 40-41.
Great find Chris, especially with the box, It's one of my favourite finds....
col
Me again ;D
Chris, I think you are right about model 100 first year being 49, The Surfmasters were introduced in 40 as mo said, but that was the 150 thru 250 models.
No part numbers could mean it is a first year, I couldn't find anything in the blue book I have, no mention of the spool, but I think the green book has more specific detail on each reel. Nice find regardless though Chris, I like the old Surfmasters, I still have a few holes to fill on those models.......
That's a couple of good scores you picked up with the Surfmaster and the 60 LS.
Col
Thanks Col, great info! I see your 60LS has a different logo. Also now that you mention it I didn't even realize mine had the heavy stand. Thanks for pointing that out.
Steve are you saying I should expect to find fins on the spool of the 100? I havent opened it yet
Quote from: milne on May 09, 2019, 11:25:18 AM
Chris, I think you are right about model 100 first year being 49, The Surfmasters were introduced in 40 as mo said, but that was the 150 thru 250 models.
No part numbers could mean it is a first year, I couldn't find anything in the blue book I have, no mention of the spool, but I think the green book has more specific detail on each reel.
I checked the green book fellas...Col is right...49' is the first year for the little Surfy 100.
Quote from: 1badf350 on May 09, 2019, 11:51:47 AM
Thanks Col, great info! I see your 60LS has a different logo. Also now that you mention it I didn't even realize mine had the heavy stand.
I didn't notice that either! The clamping stand is always a bonus on these early LB 60s. 8)
Mo, I should've said all the LS models I ever bought have all had the clamp seats... which is why I buy them.
Just got another LL been LB 60 and it too came with the clamp seat but metal spool.
Dom
Nice find Chris !!
Keep them coming friend. ;) ;)
Regards
AC49
You're getting some great finds !
Ted, explained why many of these LS models are now seen with the clamp stand. The clamp stand was an option precisely at the time the LS models were available.
As always, Ted is a wealth of knowledge. Thanks for setting me straight.
Thanks
Dom
There is no setting straight a Rogue like you Dom. ;)
LOL, D, my wife would agree. ;)
Without you guys on here I'd be one confused puppy. Sure glad I have Otto's disciples to help me understand these things.
Dom
This arrived today, I'm really happy to add this to my Senator collection.
It was a bit Dark here today, photo's weren't exactly good.
Col
That's a nice one,,,, ;D
Very nice Col is that a black one?
Hi Chris,
Yes it's the black 114h, Sorry, not very good photo's, light was failing and my old Iphone is on it's last legs.
From what I can see, it looks NIB, the box has wear, but the reel looks in really minty condition.
Unfortunately the previous owner has hit hard times, but this was his centre piece, It wasn't cheap, but I was smiling when It arrived and I could see
the condition it was in. I'll take some better shots of it when I get time in good light........
Col
Very nice Col :o
As Ted said "the black sideplates were only produced for a few months in late 1963 and early 1964" .... did the catalog come with in the box ?
Cheers
AC49
Hi AC49,
Yes that catalog was with the box, good eye !
It's from 76 I believe ?, So that's definitely not a match for the reel, or the box to the reel possibly as well ?
So maybe only a "minty" 114h black side plates reel only........
Just need to compare this box to another couple of that era to try and confirm, but there at my factory....
Col
Nice find Col. Correct box or catalog isn't as important as the pristine condition of the reel IMHO.
The blackies are much tougher to find these days, especially in great condition
Ted
Thank you Ted,
They are terrible photo's, I'll try and take a couple of clearer ones tomorrow.
The reel was as the previous owner described, very nice condition, so I was really happy when I got to look at it in person.
I'm not to worried about a non matching box, as you said, the reel was the important part.....
(And thanks again for your input and advice !)
Col
Quote from: milne on May 15, 2019, 03:49:54 PM
Hi AC49,
Yes that catalog was with the box, good eye !
It's from 76 I believe ?, So that's definitely not a match for the reel, or the box to the reel possibly as well ?
So maybe only a "minty" 114h black side plates reel only........
Just need to compare this box to another couple of that era to try and confirm, but there at my factory....
Col
Col i have often wondered about these boxes, but they are the box that has come with the black 114h reels I have.
Now, i have seen a very early red 114h with what i thought was an even earlier box with a "new 114H" sticker and a supplementary pamphlet introducing the new red reels.
Either way, as Ted said, the condition of the reel is what matters most and yours in a winner
Chris, you are right about the sticker covering the original model on the box, which would've been a 114.
I'm going to apply my logic to this sticker....it was to use up the over abundant inventory of 114 boxes, since the 114h was far outselling the 114. Just make a sticker and the 114 boxes could get used up...I am certain the earliest 114h box wasn't the one with the added on sticker, and possibly those earliest boxes had postal code "32" instead of a zip code
Also, Penn wasn't shy about using the word "new" for a reel that had been available for many years. The government has since put limitations on how long a product can be called new
Thank you for the insight Ted. I was asking myself if they used the stickers because the "new 114h" boxes had not been made yet when the reels came out. But i like your logic better.
Thanks Chris and Ted,
yes it was worth it for the condition of the reel by far. Really interesting info on the box, I wasn't aware of the sticker
They used, or the post code difference. It would be interesting to find out how many were made in the short production
run they had, but I suppose that would be near impossible. I have a couple of similar boxes, for a 113h and a 114h which now
want to look at to see if they have the word "new" on the label, as I bought the 113h myself new in the late 70's, ( my first reel )
Great information guys, thank you.
Col
The 113H came out about the same time as the 114H...... 1963.
Nice find Col and in beautiful condition as well. Keep up the good work on finding those relics.
Ted, your assumptions make a lot of sense. We've spoken about this before and nothing else really fits.
Rudy, can spot a black 114-H from 2 miles away... consider yourself lucky for finding one Rudy didn't buy. ;)
Best,
Dom
Thanks Dom/Rudy,
I was the first in literally with this 114h, saw it advertised not 2-3 minutes after the guy put it up, followed by quite a few offers from others if I didn't take it. I honestly thought postage from the U>S to Aussie could have been a deal breaker, so I was sweating it a while until he confirmed he would sell it to me.
Here's a few better Pic's ( I hope ), I can see with posting photo's, sitting them under a decent light may well be the trick to getting a decent shot.
Had to give it a quick wipe down first, my Labrador Sab, decided to give it a good once over "tonguing while I went inside, not sure whether she was doing it out of approval of my purchase, or P/O had something wiped over it that she found a liking to.... ;D
Col
P.S Rudy, how many do you have ? or is Dom setting you up there !
milne, so far I've got 7. One more then Dom. ;D ;D I'm always on the lookout for more. Rudy
Hi Rudy,
YOU HAVE 7, Wow,
Half of Penn's production numbers, must be in yours and Dom's collection !
Rudy, what makes them special to you to go after them, just the share limited run,
or is this deep down, getting one back on Dom ;D
But in all seriousness, for a couple of blokes to have those sort of numbers, would in it self be rare...
Col
( I am open to bribes guys ;) )
Hi Col, I wouldn't consider them rare but I feel that they are scarce. I'm not trying to one up on Dom but both of us have been colecting them for a while even before most people knew they existed. I finally got one with the original box a few months ago. The box I have is identical to yours. I believe Penn started production of the black plated 114H ball bearing model then found out that people were getting them confused with the black plated 6/0 bushing models so they changed the color of the plates to end the confusion. People are still getting them confused even after all these years.
The person who found me my first black 114h was Rob "norcal Pescador." Ken at Oceanside was the owner. It was beat up and over priced but I got it when very few were unearthed. At one point it was the centerpiece of my collection... until Big Red came along. ;)
Thanks Rob... miss ya round here.
Dom
PS- Rudy has a passion for these reels and I do as well ...thus, our bakers dozen. :P
Couple of these went off a few weeks ago on the auction site. I didnt get either of them. I was disappointed because I was in mandatory work meetings when they ended and I refuse to be a "sniping program guy"
God works in mysterious ways....
This one was trying to be sneaky ....LOL
Chris,
That's a stunner mate, Wow.
That's a centre piece for anyones collection, good score
Col
Thanks Col!
Wow Chris that is the coolest looking Penn I've seen, congrats on a great find, good things come to those who wait... ;D
Thats really nice Chris, did you pay, much for it, was it in good condition, or did you have to clean it up, thanks for posting it, cheers Don.
Thanks Donny it was relatively cheap. It did need a cleanup. Im pretty happy with how it turned out.
Wow that's really stunning, even a little green in it. Great find!
That's a very cool reel,,,,,love it,,,,, ;D
That thing is SWEET!
Tough to find a reel with that dramatic mottling. Great Find.
Stunning find Chris. Thanks for sharing :)
Regards
AC49
Thanks guys. Appreciate all the compliments.
Lately, there have been some 49's following me home. I picked up these three, over the last 6 weeks, or so....total for everything was less than $70...reels AND shipping, so, they're in my "budget", anyway. Only 1 broken ring in the bunch, too !
1st one is pretty clean, and has an aluminum spool.....sometimes there are "good things", underneath all the old , crappy ,line !
#3 just came in the mail, yesterday, that weird , home made knob, while "interesting", will have to go, though !! Once I got the line off, I was surprised to see a spool that, so far, is "unknown" to me ! I've got plastic, "three piece} heavy metal, the "vented", both still "intact", and with the "vented arbor cover" removed, and aluminum...but this one is "different"...looks to be two pieces, joined in the center ???
Those are some pretty 49's, I love the rosewood handle!
The spool in the last one is interesting. I bet it would be the easiest style to widen for my wide 49.
Let me know if you might be interested in trading it ;)
Great finds for a great price!
Hey crow i have some rings if you need them. Send me a PM
I *should* be good on a replacement ring.....I ended up with a "spare", or two, from a donor reel, when I built the "beefed up" , 49 / 349 cross breed. But, thanks for the offer ! Those parts are getting pretty "scarce", to say the least ! Especially the "handle side" ring ! Thanks again !...........
Sweet !!!!!! John Taylor
That doesn't look "clean"...it looks "new" !!!
Holy moly Chris...that Silver Beach is insane! How could a reel so old be so clean? I have a '39 Long Beach the same way...I guess they got shoved to the back of a sock drawer for 75 years.
I missed your earlier post about the mottled Atlantic. I scored a mottled Delmar 285 a few years ago. It had a face like Walter Matthau when I got it. The first pic is "just as I found it". I cleaned it up, but the chrome was too far gone. Those dramatic side plates deserved more, so I pimped it out. The mottled reels really are head turners.
Wow Mo that is a gorgeous Delmar!
Sometimes luck is on your side.
Nice $35 silver beach Chris. That eBay seller was totally clueless and could've asked for $300 more and it would've sold no problem
You guys are snagging some REAL nice stuff ! About those "mottled " reels....do you think they "intended" that pattern, or were they "grinding up scraps", and it just happened ?
Great reel, Mo! I like how the red really stands out... you did a great job on her, too.
Enjoy her,
Dom
Catalog 7 shows the correct picture
QuoteI noticed that in the number 6 catalog, the reel shown on the Silver Beach page is actually a Coronado. Sorry if im late to the party and this has already been discussed.
All the years I have been looking at my catalog, I never noticed that. Great find Chris!
I'm "wavering" , at the moment ! Wavering between "buyers remorse" and extreme delight ! Saw this on ebay, and , to me, it looked to be "too good to pass up", so..............I jumped on it ! Reel and shipping totals $82. That's a LOT more than I've every spent on any reel...new, or used! I'm anxious to get it "in my hand", to see which way the "waver" finally goes !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-SUPER-Mariner-49-DEEP-SeaFishingReel-Extra-Wide-Spool-excellent-Shape/173862124338?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&
Wow I think you did great on the price. Great score!!
So clean you could eat off it! Looks like you did good. Is that the "A" model?
That is a fantastic looking 49 Crow! Since it's had the service work already done the price is very good. Wonder what's inside? New drags? Maybe some stainless steel parts?
I don't *think* it's marked "A", and, I'm "itching" to see the whole thing, of course, but, especially the "guts" ! A person hears enough "horror stories" about stuff sold on e bay.....doctored pix, pix not of the actual item, outright lies !....that I am a bit apprehensive ???, and I can't believe that somebody else didn't snap it up, before I saw it.....But, in a few days I'll know if "I'm a winner, or somebodies dinner !!
Quote from: Crow on June 08, 2019, 05:32:59 PM
In a few days I'll know if "I'm a winner, or somebodies dinner !!
I wouldn't worry too much Crow...any reel that clean on the outside is not likely to be a mess inside. The worst scenario would be that it's dead stock, and the servicing was only a squirt of oil. Even then...I think you're still the winner!
Quote from: Crow on June 08, 2019, 05:32:59 PM
In a few days I'll know if "I'm a winner, or somebodies dinner !!
Hi Crow it looks good.
PS the 49A is the wide spool 49 from my side of the world.
Enjoy
AC49
Great grab Crow !!
That's a $200+ reel all day every day !!
If you do service the reel, use extreme caution when handling the spool. Replacement spools are non existent for the wide 49.
The power handle was likely added on. 49's came with a counterbalance handle, cause in direct drive the handle will spin.
I told xjchad I would post a better pic of the "odd" spool that was in one of the 49's that "followed me home". It appears that the "flanges" are, maybe, stainless steel...they are thin metal, and non magnetic, but I didn't "scratch" them, to see if they are , maybe, brass. A "slight" hint of rusty residue, and a "lack of green", help make me think...stainless. There are large "spanner-type" *nuts*, which appear to be threaded onto the steel "shaft arbor"...which is quite a bit larger in diameter than the shaft arbors on the "3-piece " spool I compared it to.
Does anyone know what difference (besides color!) there is between the "brown plastic " (I'm guessing bakelite?), and the "black plastic" spools ? The "black ones" seem to be a "smoother" plastic, without the "porous" look of the brown ones...maybe some sort of fiberglass resin ?
anyway, here's the pix:
When I get some "spare time", I'll dig out my spanner sockets, and "gently" see if those are, in fact, "nuts". Right now...since it seems the rain is over for a couple days, I have *about* 10,000 * (really !!) spent iris stalks to cut out of the beds.....all 4500 sq. ft. of them !! And, "she who must be obeyed" is giving me the "evil eye" for being a "couch potato", even as we speak !! :o
Crow,
Thanks for the pictures! That's definitely the spool I'd need, however they are probably scarce! I'll keep looking, but will probably have to use one of the others that I have. Thanks again, very interesting!
Somewhere on the site, I saw another 49 that had this same type spool....I think there was some discussion about it "maybe" being one of the "vented arbor" type spools....that was missing the vented cover. But, I don't think that's the case, as I had a cover (badly cracked, and broken) off one of those type, and the "hub and center arbor" on that one appeared to be "pot metal" and was badly corroded, with lots of "flaky white crud" on it.I think this is just "another type" of spool that Penn tried. I suppose they were constantly trying different things, either in an effort to "improve the product", or ,"improve the profit margin" !
I just saw these, on ebay....they aren't the same as I have, and appear to be a totally different spool than any I've seen. Hard to tell with the "paint job", but they might be candidates for "widening", too.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-OF-PENN-49-METAL-SPOOLS-CHROME-BRASS-PAINTED-WITH-BLACK-RUSTOLEUM/163727122107?hash=item261ee5
I received the "wide 49", today...and it was as nice..or even nicer...than the seller described ! I "wonder" about the service that he had done to it, though....thing was dry as a fart ! Just a bit of "oily residue" on the ends of the spool shaft, and tailplate bearing....and the original (I'm guessing) drags...one "brown", and two "black", brass washers, that show no signs of ever having "slipped". I decided, for the time being, anyway, to just "service" it, leaving everything "stock". It's too nice a reel (for me!) to take out on the water, so it will set on my shelf....at least until my resistance melts away, and I just can't stand it, anymore !!
I "ebay mailed" the seller, and asked a few questions. He said his brother, who was working someplace in South Africa, at the time, sent it to him about 12 years ago. I asked about the possibility of his still having the box, paper work, ect,. and he told me he couldn't remember throwing it out, and would look for it.
The only "thorn" I see is the handle lock screw....somebodies' screwdriver slipped ! As to the handle, itself, if the "power handle" isn't original, and a counter balanced handle is.....what type of knob would it have had ? Torpedo-type, or the flat, rubber knob ?
Looks like it was never used.
Correct handle would be the #49 torpedo
Later models had rubber knob, but yours appears to be a vintage model. If you get the original box, that'll let us know if it should have torpedo or rubber knob. I would leave it as it is, unless you're going to fish it
Very few reels from South Africa ever make it to American soil. Very cool you found out some history on this one and hopefully you'll get the box too !!
-Ted
I can't tell without seeing screw heads and a few other tell tales, but it sure does look new to me as well.
You scored nicely on that one.
Enjoy her,
Dom
PS- Sure hope you can get that box.
Thanks !! The only screw head that appeared to ever having been "messed with", was the handle lock screw. Except for a few , slight "scratches"(so slight they "buffed off" with a dry rag), the chrome, spool, and end plates all look "perfect". The seller said he did have line on it, and had removed it, but I really doubt it was ever "fished"......nobody can be that careful ::). I'll keep my eye out for a new, or nearly new, torpedo handle.
Hi Crow the handle lock screw #110-60 was used in many Penn reels like the Jigmasters and Senators so that's no problem. As for the handle I agree with Ted that the torpedo knob would be the most probable handle knob in this case. If you could show us the spool bracings it might make it easier. It could be the 6 star / 6 star with no raised bracings. If any there is any raised bracings the spool could be older but that is also not an accurate date measurement.
As for the box it would be from the far right variety ..... as per picture below.
Regards
AC49
Here's a pic of the spool. I haven't heard back from the seller about the box......it probably went to the trash can :'(.
Hi Crow that spool, based on the bracing pattern would be from the later 49A reels and would be paired with the dark blue 49A box.
My opinion (and this is only based on the many 49A reels I have seen over the years) is that the first batch of spools contained no bracings, then the 4 bracings, then the 4 star bracings, then 6 star bracings and finally the 6 star with 1 raised section (like yours).
I think the amount of bracings would have had something to do with strength of the spool as time passed.
Enjoy your 49A reel !!
Regards
AC49
Thanks for the info !!
Penn did change the webbing several times on the 49a spool. The 2 pictured by AC49 are the earliest versions (40's-early 50's). There are at least 5 different webbing designs that I know of on the 49a spools.
-Ted
In what year did Penn quit production of the 49A ? Those two spools from 40's - 50's have the same "webbing" ...or LACK of webbing, that I've seen on the "regular" 49 (and 149) spools. And I'm sure you're correct about the design change ,that it was to correct the "monofilament breakage" problem.
Quoten what year did Penn quit production of the 49A ? Those two spools from 40's - 50's have the same "webbing" ...or LACK of webbing, that I've seen on the "regular" 49 (and 149) spools. And I'm sure you're correct about the design change ,that it was to correct the "monofilament breakage" problem.
The need for the 49 A was created by the need to have a high line capacity reel, light weight with a fast retrieve. I do not know for sure but I believe for all practical purposes, that the creation of the High Speed Special Senator reels with aluminum spools made the 49 A obsolete. Only my opinion, but I do not see much evidence of the 49 A reels being sold after the mid 1980's.
Crow I agree as I have seen the same webbing on various Penn spools through the years namely the 49 and even recently an old mottled brown Penn 85 spool.
Mike the youngest boxed 49A reels I have came with catalog 41B (1986) and even a couple with catalog 89B (1989) but I'm not sure that helps tie down anything ?
So the mid 1980's sounds about right.
Regards
AC49
Thanks, again...for the information !
.......any half decent anniversary reel is getting tough to find these days........so I built my own from scratch :)
It is far from perfect, but that's just fine with me
Very nice Ted. Great work :)
Regards
AC49
That's sharp !!
I don't think that one is "far from perfect" Ted...it's closer than mine...fantastic reel! 8)
Nice one!
Very nice Ted.
Good choice on the red handle... she's a beauty!
To the plinth she goes,
Dom
Beautiful reel Ted, to good to fish with, love the external drag with the shiny top hat, cheers Don.
Are we using it Saturday?
The Man
Thanks for showing that Ted.
Steve
Beautiful build Ted!! Better than new.............
I like that Ted !
beautiful build
Col
This one followed me home from Alabama, this spring...in a bag ! It was "gifted" to me by a fella' down there, and it was missing a chunk , or two, but didn't appear that it was ever used very much.....chrome in pretty decent shape, no "initials" scratched in the plates , side rings not broken, and, with a "tip of the Hat" to Rudy ;), I got it put together this afternoon ! I had a new set of the old, original drag washers, so, this thing is "stock", all the way. Thanks to Lee, I now have another to "soup up" for fishing....this one goes on my "shelf" ! Thanks, Guys !!
Are those stock harness lugs ?? The holes look to be oblong in shape instead of round
Ted
Yeah, they are th ones that came with it....and the holes are round, I think it's just the angle of the camera that makes 'em look funny. I just took a couple others, and it's a "little" better, but it's hard o get "square" with the holes....any angle , at all, makes them look elliptical !?
Yep, it musta been camera angle. Either way you got a sweet 349h for nuttin'
QuoteThis one followed me home from Alabama, this spring...in a bag ! It was "gifted" to me by a fella' down there, and it was missing a chunk , or two, but didn't appear that it was ever used very much.....chrome in pretty decent shape, no "initials" scratched in the plates , side rings not broken, and, with a "tip of the Hat" to Rudy , I got it put together this afternoon ! I had a new set of the old, original drag washers, so, this thing is "stock", all the way. Thanks to Lee, I now have another to "soup up" for fishing....this one goes on my "shelf" ! Thanks, Guys !!
Great reels. There is something about the 349 that I always liked. Even better when they are a gift. The Wahoo Special upgrade always makes for an interesting project.
Here's a few I've acquired in the last couple weeks.....a couple from ebay, a couple from some "thrift shop", in Denver, Co. (thanks to a nephew), and one I traded a few iris plants for ! Certainly nothing special, or scarce, and none really in great shape, but, I've been needing some better spools, plates, and other "oddments" that I can't seem to locate anywhere....so, most will be "canabalized"
a Delmar, and a 209.......for parts
And then there are these two !! 113h, REAL crusty, but, maybe between them, and the few other parts I have laying around, I can build one that's worth having. I actually was looking for some parts, on ebay, and decided to make an offer on one of these , and it was accepted, so I got it for less than what a used bridge / sleeve was going to cost me (although the postage was more). The other, I guess I "overpaid" on, but,for $35, in my hand, I guess it could have been worse !
Hi crow, those are good parts reel candidates......but you said none are anything special. I see a first year 209 with the unadjustable hex head worm drive bushing on the tail plate. That only came on 1st year of 209 production, which was somewhere around 1950
-Ted
There great reels,,,,,, :D and you be surprised how good they will clean up,,,,,that 4/0 is great for fishing,,,, ;D
The 2/0 looks good. A 3 position handle and looks like it has been lubricated regularly.
Basto
Crow, both of those 113H's look like good candidates to have the desireable hardened steel main gears in them. Keep them matched to their original ss pinion gears for quieter & smoother running. Rudy
Crow, that 209 looks like a worthy candidate to bring back to showroom condition. Like Rudy said, it's an early, if not first year. Bill
Thanks for the "heads up" about the 209, guys! Sounds like one I'd better "add' to my collection. Also, thanks for mentioning the gears, Rudy ! I've been "bit", once, by gear noise from an "unmatched set"....your warning ,probably, saved me from another "bite" !!
Quote from: Penn Chronology on July 06, 2019, 01:59:20 AM
Quoteanks for the "heads up" about the 209, guys! Sounds like one I'd better "add' to my collection. Also, thanks for mentioning the gears, Rudy ! I've been "bit", once, by gear noise from an "unmatched set"....your warning ,probably, saved me from another "bite" !!
Early 209 models are very special. Their frames are a matching set. Penn did mention it in the catalog. The stand and posts are secured by what Penn called riveting. Actually, the posts and stand were undercut to fit tightly into the trim rings. A early 209 frame stands alone with side plates removed. Will trick you if you are not aware of that when you take it apart.
so how hard to get a donor reel with good chrome to make clean,,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: Penn Chronology on July 06, 2019, 01:59:20 AM
The stand and posts are secured by what Penn called riveting. Actually, the posts and stand were undercut to fit tightly into the trim rings. A early 209 frame stands alone with side plates removed. Will trick you if you are not aware of that when you take it apart.
Good idea. You would never have to fuss with that worm shield and the four tiny slots :)
Are the peerless levelwinds to only reel ever that carries spare parts on board. The spare pawl. I've been trying to think of other small machines that came with spare parts built in like that but haven't come up with much. I used to think the spare pawl provided reassurance, but now realize it is a harbinger of doom.
-steve
Hey Mike,
Your 209 head plate looks like someone made a boo-boo when they had the side plate in the mold??
Nice one,
Dom
When did they quit "riveting" ? I need to start looking for the "age appropriate " parts for that 209....the level wind stuff (worm, guide, etc.), and handle, are missing. Not sure if "new" level wind items are the same ? Looks like there may be a difference in the drive gears for the worm ?
Yeah, that "riveted" comment is a misnomer. The posts are the only undercut parts, the stand is just a normal run of the mill #30-66. Don't get too excited Steve...holding it all together still takes 7 hands! ;D
Quoteso how hard to get a donor reel with good chrome to make clean,,,,,,
Very hard if you insist using the original undercut posts. I would think if you feel the need to replace the vintage parts that standard chrome posts with new trim rings would work. I would rather clean the old parts and keep it original, no matter how funky they were.
QuoteAre the peerless levelwinds to only reel ever that carries spare parts on board. The spare pawl. I've been trying to think of other small machines that came with spare parts built in like that but haven't come up with much. I used to think the spare pawl provided reassurance, but now realize it is a harbinger of doom.
That is a good question. The first of the Peerless reels was the pre-war 109 and that reel had no spare pawl, it had a mechanical spool brake located where the spare pawl compartment will eventually be. The spare pawl idea came after that. That makes the early 109 more desirable. In my opinion. I cannot think of any other Penn reels that carried integral spare parts. I always thought that spare pawl was kind of pointless. When the level wind system fails, it is usually the sacrificial worm gear drive that is driven off the spool that fails first, not the pawl.
QuoteHey Mike,
Your 209 head plate looks like someone made a boo-boo when they had the side plate in the mold??
Nice one,
Dom
Sure wish that was my reel. It is not, it was one of Ray's reels. I do not know what happened to it. I assume it is sold by now. I would like to have it to take it down for pictures.
QuoteWhen did they quit "riveting" ? I need to start looking for the "age appropriate " parts for that 209....the level wind stuff (worm, guide, etc.), and handle, are missing. Not sure if "new" level wind items are the same ? Looks like there may be a difference in the drive gears for the worm ?
The riveting (as Penn called it) stopped in one model year. Try to save the posts, worm gear cover and trim rings. The worm gear sacrificial gear that is in the tail plate in early reels was made from Phenolic rather than the Teflon gear of the later reels. I believe either gear will work. Dimensionally they should be the same, the difference is the base material the gear was made from.
QuoteYeah, that "riveted" comment is a misnomer. The posts are the only undercut parts, the stand is just a normal run of the mill #30-66. Don't get too excited Steve...holding it all together still takes 7 hands!
Yea, not really a misnomer, more like a stretch of definitions. If you find a first gen 209 that has never been apart, those posts will hold the trim rings together. They were snug. I have the feeling that Penn may have swelled the ends of the posts a bit, ( like a hollow rivet would be swelled). as they age the fastening power of the posts gets weak and the frame breaks down, especially if corrosion works its way in. They also have a tendency to fail if the plates gets stuck in the trim rings. Ocean City did it better. That is probably what Otto Henze was trying to recreate with the first 209. Otto must have seen the concept when he was at Ocean City and used it on the 209. Ocean City actually undercut the posts the same way the early 209 was done; but, Ocean City took it a step further and silver soldered that stand into the frame. The Ocean City rings and frame literally had to be broken apart to separate. Notice the first picture, I actually destroyed a reel to see how strong it was. I still have the separated parts. do not try this at home unless you are ready to loose your valuable collectible.......................... :( :( :(
A Genuine Penn model 77 that you can't double dog, change the drag stack, nor add any stainless steel internals !
Appropriate for catching the large minnows and other mini fish !
Looks like it is in great shap,,,,, :D and is overlooked by most great find,,,,, ;D
A great find ! If all the fish that were caught on those 77's were in one live well...it'd have to be a BIG boat !!! It's surprising the fish you can "handle", by "thumbing", and "back reeling"!
Penn 85
Not a rare reel at all, but I'm wondering about the box. I have scoured Mikes books and google searched and I cant come up with any info. If anyone can help I would appreciate it.
$4, wow. ::)
That's a new one on me Chris...interesting find! 8)
The box was used on the low budget Penn models. The #13 catalog is also a good score !!
-Ted
Nice find !...What was the 'time frame" for that reel....had to be pretty early, the way the handle looks.
I think it's a cool find with the tag & box... Jeff
Yes Chris, sweet reel looks great, thanks for showing us, cheers Don.
Great find man,,,,,, :D the box maybe it can be fixed,,,,, ;) little water and ironing,,,,,, ;D
I really like that spool, especially with todays thinner lines. Gives you the retrieve rate of the large diameter spool without the weight of all that extra line. Just like a large arbor fly reel.
The Man
Very nice,,,,,,, :D like that spool,,,,,, ;D
QuotePenn 85
Not a rare reel at all, but I'm wondering about the box. I have scoured Mikes books and google searched and I cant come up with any info. If anyone can help I would appreciate it.
These are common boxes from around the war and post war era. Penn used these mostly for the low priced reels. More common to find Model 14 and 15 in these styles. They were inferior as far as quality goes and had a difficult time surviving.
I guess, with a $4 price tag for the reel, you can't expect much in the way of box ! :D
A while back, I "attempted" to buy a Penn 15, on Ebay....the example I have has a cracked (and repaired" tail plate, and I thought the plate on the "Ebay" one looked pretty fair (in fact, it was the ONLY thing that looked "fair" about it :D!). Anyway, I "won " it, and when it arrived....the seller had sent the "wrong" reel !!! :'(! It was an Ocean City(Which NOW lives in Australia !). I contacted the seller...he said, Keep the OC...it's not worth sending back, and I'll mail out the Penn, tomorrow. Well, "tomorrow" took quite a while, but, it did finally (after a bit of prodding) arrived. Yesterday, I decided to clean it up, and see just what was able to be saved. And, after a cleaning...I've decided to put the whole thing on the shelf, and keep looking for a tail plate for my original ! It ain't pretty....but, it has great, great, free spool, and....I *may*have to fish it a bit !
some "before" pix
Nice one, Chris !
Sweet find!
Great find,,,,,, ;D
QuoteI scored this one before i even got out of bed one morning last week. 1933 Long Beach. Has the Kuhn Jacob markings on both side plates.
The posts measure 2 1/8" so i think its a 65 size Long Beach
The 1933 Long Beach is always a special treat to come across. I know they pop up when you are not expecting them to. To truly understand how unusual a find they are, you have to experience the difficulty of finding one when you go out to specifically look for one. These reels were fished hard and finding survivors is not easy. I am impressed.
Thanks guys!
Hi All,
Yep, that is an absolute beauty Chris, Wow great find.
I just got an early 249, which I was stoked about, doesn't have the waffle clicker, but pretty sure it's Pre war, just cleaning her up,
But, certainly not in the Longbeach class, what you found, great score......
Col
Well, as mentioned, slow on reels of late, been hard at it refitting my boat project,
But managed to score a crusty old 249 deep sea reel. After a good soaking and clean, it's come up really well.
There's a bit of patina on the posts, but the side plates are near perfect, with a broken screw to remove out of the stand at a later date,
It came up great. This is my first of the deep sea reels and I must say, I kinda like them, simplicity at it's best and The brown spool is a first for me.
Not sure of it's age, It doesn't have the waffle clicker, but it will sit nicely with with other pre war reels on the shelf....
Col
Very nice Col!
Yup! I really like the over all simplicity of this reel... Jeff
Looks great ! Those old, narrow "tall" ones are quite "addictive", to me, as well !!
Hi All
This Penn 14/0 just arrived in the mail. We don't see that many of the bigger Senators this side. Nothing vintage here but seems in good nick so I had to have. Any details on age would be appreciated as I know there are plenty Senator experts here. The guy tossed the box and catalog years ago :o
Regards
AC49
Last pic
The Cuttyhunk (twisted linen) line is likely pre-war but the stand has a part number.
-steve
Thats a pretty one!
Can you reel that line onto another real long enough to clean and inspect the spool and take pictures?
Nice 14/0 !!
The logo under the eccentric is 1950's. The deep red color of the knob has early 50's written all over it.....and as Steve mentioned, the cuttyhunk line suggests that early to mid 50's reel. In my opinion, the finest chrome plating was during this era.
Whoever owned it didn't fish much. Definitely a good score !!
Ted
That's a great find !
Quote from: Maxed Out on July 31, 2019, 12:36:18 AM
Nice 14/0 !!
The logo under the eccentric is 1950's. The deep red color of the knob has early 50's written all over it.....and as Steve mentioned, the cuttyhunk line suggests that early to mid 50's reel. In my opinion, the finest chrome plating was during this era.
Whoever owned it didn't fish much. Definitely a good score !!
Ted
This is where I was going. I have seen early 50s 14/0 reels with three piece spools and part number. Presumably 1950-53? The one piece cast spools are 1954+? The "shoulders" of these are much smaller than on the original 3 piece spools.
Ted have you seen these? Maybe you can explain better.
The 14/0 spool after the line removed.
The only info I could get from the elderly seller - fished once - caught 1 Barracuda - packed away for many years - he can't remember all the details.
The coin edged lever caught my attention if that helps with era ?
I did Steve's test "Nylon melts over a flame but cotton and silk burn over a flame leaving a light ash that can be flicked away" See attached picture 3.
Regards
AC49
Oh, sorry AC. I thought I could see twists in your second picture way above. A braided synthetic line (nylon or Dacron) makes more sense.
-steve
Ok 1 piece spool. Im guessing 1954-59ish?
Hi All, Been slow on all things Penn of late, but have a few wee things arriving soon. ( cant help myself )
How ever, couldn't resist this one, Bargain at $15, even though some "clown" decided to cut out the price label out. But I didn't have a LH
Box in my collection. Even though I now stray outside my Pre War theme, I'm finding that stretching out to the late 50's, for various items.
Even without the price label, I'm going to call this a 51 box, any thoughts ?????? it's slow on here so who agree's ????
Next box arriving is a slopped label, Luv them !
Col
Too bad about the box.....the shopkeeper probably did that when he wrote the "increased price" on the box, so as not to confuse the customers !! ;).
Might've been given as a gift sometime.
Nice !!
It's very common to see labels with price scratched off or inked over. The real selling price is $10,50, which was likely written on the label by the store
The red knob reel you teased us with is a Duval sporting goods reel. Those red knobs were exclusive to Duval sporting goods and aren't easy to come by.
1950-52/53ish boxes were black, then dark green was phased in during early 50's
Ted
Hi Ted, I guessed at about 51 for the box because of the fair trading price thing, which from what I read, and they stopped it not long after.
The Duval reel, LOL, good eye sir, I didn't deliberately capture that, but yes, Mike informed me about the red handles made for Duval when I first got
it, so that wee 150 yd longbeach is one of my favourites for sure....
Col
Just seen this interesting Senator 6/0, look at the 3rd photo ;D:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Penn-Senator-6-0/254320340824?hash=item3b36ac6f58:g:ku0AAOSwqbZdRumP
Somebody "customized" that one ! Actually, it looks pretty good! I wonder if that was a tie clasp, in it's "first life" ?
Pretty green handle knob and little doohickies on the star too.
-steve
First post here! I've got a really nice 209 already that I just dug out of storage (that I honestly don't remember buying!) and a delMar 285 around somewhere, but before I found the 209 in storage I bid on a couple reels on the 'bay. The first of two came in today, and I'm pretty happy with the condition, and the red on the sideplates is very nice. This will be my first full teardown of a Penn reel, so wish me luck :)
Came spooled with wire line, backed with heavy mono. I bought it for the green handle in particular. I paid $28.95 shipped and I'm happy with it at that price. I bought it to use it :)
here you go! https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=659.0
Well, welcome to the site ! And it looks like you got a good deal, too ! My suggestion is , you need to build shelves, right now....this place is very addictive, and pretty soon you'll need the storage room for all the reels you "just have to have" :D
Shoot. I'm already looking at grabbing a no.9, no.309, and eyeballing a 350 levelmaster or even a 210 or 310 too. Maybe when the second of the two 209's comes in I'll see if anyone wants to make a trade? This already has me scavenging fleabay with the idea of getting one of each that I can find cheap. ;D
I've been inhaling every thread on these I can find for the last week. Send help :D
welcome to the dark side...... ;D
;D ;D Like I said....build shelves now !!
I like the 350. Not a perfect levelwind mechanism, but tough beyond the usual Penn toughness.
I hadda thumb the drag to get this one in on the 350, but that can always be improved on.
Nice one !!
Very nice tuna Gfish!
Now, that's impressive. I think you have found the perfect use for a 350.
-steve
I've not really concentrated on Catalog's thus far, so thought i should start !.
These fell into my lap, from a local blokes estate, still negotiating on some of his reels, which do have some real special ones amongst them.
These catalog's certainly aren't in pristine condition, but it's a start.
Col
Got it all apart, other than some really dry waxy grease in places, it's in beautiful shape. Any ideas on approximate year range? All the parts are numbered, it's got a beautiful grey steel main gear, and what seems to be leather drags.
Which forum would be best to post a rebuild diary in? I don't want to clutter this thread up too much.
Gfish, That's a ripper Bud, Well done !!.
Good to see the vintage gear still performing, awesome.
Col
Quote from: Gfish on August 09, 2019, 08:14:29 PM
get this one in on the 350
I think you made the jig too. Really, really well done.
-steve
QuoteAny ideas on approximate year range? All the parts are numbered, it's got a beautiful grey steel main gear, and what seems to be leather drags.
By the looks of the spool I would say it is a 1980's reel.
Quote from: Lingwendil on August 10, 2019, 02:52:57 AM
Got it all apart, other than some really dry waxy grease in places, it's in beautiful shape. Any ideas on approximate year range? All the parts are numbered, it's got a beautiful grey steel main gear, and what seems to be leather drags.
Which forum would be best to post a rebuild diary in? I don't want to clutter this thread up too much.
There's a sub-forum: "Penn Tutorials and Questions", under a main sub-forum: "Conventional and Baitcasting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions" on the "main" page.
I'd be interested to see if you can improve the drag system on your 209. My 350 was almost as I found it, but there were C-tex drags installed, so it dosen't actually belong here. The 3 stack and tiny star just didn't cut it for that critter, but I don't think the levelwind would be ruined by any fish.
Okay, got a thread started over there-
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=29179.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=29179.0)
I'd appreciate if anyone could drop in, I'll have a few questions here and there :)
Col, I would imagine that the catalogs are probably much harder to find than the reels...or even the boxes. But , it looks like you're off to a good start !
Hey Gfish, is that a Bonito? Got one off a pier, people thought it was a tuna but was later ID'd as a bonito. I was using an early Okuma Coronado Bait Feeder with 12lb line... was lookin' at the bottom of the spool before he finally paused!
Nelz, Both yours and G-fish's look to be False Albies. Bonito are usually skinnier and don't have the oil slick back.
Nice fish, but not so yummy.
The Pacific long fin albies are what makes that yummy white gold of Ted's and Wayne's. Now that's where it's at!
Love the fight on those allies. They vibrate and circle after their initial run which makes it feel like you have a much bigger fish on.
Alwaysa blast,
Dom
Quote from: broadway on August 10, 2019, 06:23:07 PMNelz, Both yours and G-fish's look to be False Albies. Nice fish, but not so yummy.
You are correct sir ;D but in my neck o' the woods they call them "bonita". And yeah, I ate it... but never again!
Little tunny, meat looks like liver...makes good bait.
I'm with you Dom, they are nice fighting fish , will take off at 40 mph.
In some parts of the world it is enjoyed smoked or canned... I'll pass😊
Sal
Funny cat joke Nelz.
-steve
nelz, the dog in the lower right photo has the right idea after eating a little tunny. Rudy
You're not kidding Rudy🙄.
Gregg nice job stopping that fish with the 350, didn't think it could.
Sal
Dudes. It's a little Tunny. Note the spots near the pectoral fin. Nelz, my hat's off to you with 12 lb. test onna pier, yours may be bigger. How did you land it? Skips., Bonitio, Albies., they'er all tuna to me. Ran into a school trollin 2 lines---a fly above a lure on each. 4 hook-ups with about a 1/4 sec. apart. 3 fish broke off on 30lb. mono., probably pullin against each other. The Sailfisher rig lasted about 5 min., though. Took about 15 min. to land 'em from the yak.
My wife and I love the taste a those! Of course, I'm a person that eat's fish head soup. Sashimi for her, baked for me. Now back to Penn reels just as you find 'em.
You know, I think old catalogs, along with boxes, etc. would really spice up this thread.
Ok, yeah, sorry to derail, I posted a reply here:
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=29185.0
eBay reel #2 came in- $24.73 shipped. Steel main gear, crack in the edge of the side ring for one side. In pretty nice shape otherwise. Already torn down and soaking :)
Spy that cool thick line it's spooled with.
more pics in the teardown thread :)
Nice score! Looks like some old cuttyhunk line on there as well.
Looks like a good buy !
This just came in today,,,,,, :D $16.31 but I was a little surprised 2 speed and made better than expected,,,,,,, ;D
Whoa, Benni I didn't know such an animal existed. If you tear it down please start another thread & post pics. I'd love to see inner workings on this one... Jeff
I'll second that, guys ! I checked out the schematic at Mystic....looks like an interesting reel !
Thanks very much my friends,,,,,,, :D this reel is so smooth and tight,,,,, ;) it's going on the self,,,,but one day it might go fishing,,,,,,, ;D
Flip the hood latch.
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24424.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24424.0)
-steve
A while back, I had posted some shots of some reels I had picked up....one was a 209, that I didn't* think * was anything special...until it was pointed out that it was an "early issue". I went on a search to find some "age appropriate" parts...mainly a handle. The only handle I saw, that was in the ball park, was on another 209....and it, too, looks to be an 'older example", so $31 bucks later, I STILL have a 209 that lacks level wind parts, and a handle, BUT, I have one "complete" to clean up ! In the pix, the "handle less one is the original that I had posted, earlier. ::)
Nice 209. I'd be tempted to buy a nice old one like that for the knob alone.
nice work! did you end up using the rubber band trick to get the levelwind assembly lined up?
Great job ! It looks like a new(only better, inside !) reel.
My favorite scenario, going into a pawn shop or yard sale and coming up with a gem on the cheap....
I spy a 113HL in UNUSED shape behind the counter...USA made....
Price Tag says: "AS IS!! DOES NOT WORK! $29".
Me says: "REALLY, now....as it happens, I know a guy..."
It wouldn't go into gear properly so I suspected some misalignment of the pinion- never been wet, so about impossible to actually be broken, and in any case I know a guy with parts bins :)
I crack it open...five yards of mono inside wrapped around shaft...in and out in five minutes and works perfectly...
Quote from: thorhammer on August 20, 2019, 03:10:06 PM
My favorite scenario, going into a pawn shop or yard sale and coming up with a gem on the cheap.
I hear ya John...I love a good pawn shop buy...great score!
Great find !
I like this 1,,,,,, :D Great job,,,,,,,, ;D
You stole that reel!
The best kind of deal.............
Luv your form John, great score......
Col
Good things happen to good people... well deserved, bud!
How the heck did 5' of line get in there?
Score!!,
Dom
Loose tail plate bearing, Dom. Lot of slop was my gain :)
Daron, as you know I need another 4/0 like a hole in the head but i will buy that erry day.
You certainly do professional work, Kim!
Best,
Fred
Great job !!
Thanks Fred and Crow
Gorgeous reel!
Thats a clean one!
That explains it, John.
Nice score, well deserved,
Dom
This came in the mail today it's a odd color no9 in brite sunlight it's got a marbled blue to it,,,,,, ;) but I did catch 1 carp on it today so I can put it on the shelf now,,,,,,, ;D
Hard to see blue swirl, but that color is very much non typical. Nice find Benni
FYI...In your last pic the reel on the right has spool bushing ready to fall out.
Ted is Sherlock friggin Holmes on this stuff....he picks up "variances" in my stuff all the time!
Quote from: thorhammer on August 31, 2019, 02:40:07 AM
Ted is Sherlock friggin Holmes on this stuff....he picks up "variances" in my stuff all the time!
voodoo poshtion no9,,,,, :o
That's a beauty Mike!
Hi Kim, nice work on the 114H, what did you polish the plates with, nice carp Benni, cheers Don.
Great work on that reel Kim! :o
Quote from: Benni3 on August 31, 2019, 04:31:37 AM
Quote from: thorhammer on August 31, 2019, 02:40:07 AM
Ted is Sherlock friggin Holmes on this stuff....he picks up "variances" in my stuff all the time!
voodoo poshtion no9,,,,, :o I have been fishing for a citizen size carp for 2 years and pulled this out of the mail then boom!!,,,, >:( it's got some kind of mojo I don't want any part of,,,,,,, ;D
Wow! That is the biggest Carp I have ever seen Benni!
I don't even know what a Citazen Carp is, but I'm guessing it is big as a Citizen.
My Biggest Carp catches were loaf of bread size.
That is a true Monster. :o
Good Job Brother!
Nice reel, nice carp Benni ,Don I use autosol metal polish thanks Kim
Hello All,
My new to me flea market find. Looks like it could use just a little work. Time for a disassembly and dunk the chrome in the vinegar.
Everything works, but lots of green on this one. Just had to rescue it, plus I didn't have a 6/0.
Bill
Looks like a good project !! I *need* a 6/0, too ....plus anything any bigger !! Never know when you might need some heavy artillery ;)
Its always fun. Started off with the smaller reels. Still amazes me that these things still function after so many years of use.
This one still has the original thick drags and a felt washer as a seal. Not sure how to deal with that. May just have to reuse the original felt.
This 6/0just came in $20+12 shipping,,,,,, :D tight working condition,,,,,,,, ;D
Good score, Benni !
Good one, Benni, that will clean up nicely!
Nice find Benni
there's 20 bucks worth of braid on it...
make sure you guys come back with after-shots on these 6/0's.
Thanks very much my friends,,,,, :D and yes alot of elbow grease on this one,,,,,,,, ;D
Don't know to much about the 9's, but I'm picking that one will really scrub up well.
Looking forward to seeing the finished Pic's
Col
Quote from: Crow on September 07, 2019, 08:34:10 PM
I have a #9 that just crawled in from the mailbox , that needs lots of that "elbow grease", too ! Not much in the way of "corrosion"...but it's pretty dull. Must have sat in the sun a long time !
I took a dewalt car buffer with 3m compound and then 3m plastic polish and then hand polished it,,,,,, :(sun damage ??? Is difficult and the stare and reel sit mite just replace,,,,,, ;D
Looks much better, Benni !
Just picked this up. It was really crusty, but only paid $3 ::) Anyway, it says "No. 180" on it, but after looking at other 180's I'm not so sure this is one because the others look narrower. ???
Did they make a wide 180, or perhaps this is a 180 that was widened?
It appears that someone put 155 posts, spool, and stand on that 180 Nelz. It's still a steal though...for 3 bucks! 8)
$3 is a heck of a good deal !!
Quote from: mo65 on September 09, 2019, 04:42:35 PM It appears that someone put 155 posts, spool, and stand on that 180 Nelz. It's still a steal though...for 3 bucks! 8)
Son-of-a-gun Mo, I think you nailed it. The stand says 30-155.
Bride at yard sale found a box full of fishing accoutrement... 10 rod holders, line
winder, variety of lures..etc. . At the bottom of the box was this Penn 9 Level
Wind, U.S.A. .She gave $5 for all. 8)...I was busy picking the Swap Meet. ;)
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/ZXVRIpl
great score, Charles! I love those reels!
John
Nice find!
Question: What are the differences between the Peer 9 and Mag 10?
The seem to hold the same line capacity (275/15). So is it just the magnet in the Mag 10? Looks like the gear ratios are close.
Mag 10 has BB vs bushing, mag control obviously, bigger handle, heavier stand and posts, higher speed (bigger gears and drags). A much more robust reel.
Your bride did good, Charles !!
Quote from: thorhammer on September 12, 2019, 03:40:56 PM
Mag 10 has BB vs bushing, mag control obviously, bigger handle, heavier stand and posts, higher speed (bigger gears and drags). A much more robust reel.
Thanks John!
Great score Charles, could be worth keeping that bride, man, cheers Don.
Thanks Team Tani....
The Bride done good...but, she is a work in progress... full wings not earned
until she brings home a Yard Sale Mitchell President ! ;D ;D ;D.
I cleaned and lubed the reel...to be honest, didn't require much effort. I do not
believe this Level Wind had much rod time...or else the original owner took really
good care of his/her gear. I'm thinking I'll set this up as a troller with 10 - 12 #
mono. The level wind has just the slightest hesitation when the guide is mid-reel.
Not sure if anything is out of alignment (cannot see an issue) ...but do notice that
tweaking the main drag and the Star drag seem to minimize the hesitation. I'll wait
to get it on the boat to see if it is just my imagination.
I took the "after" photos.... the reel appears to hold good build quality.
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/nn68s7V
She's a keeper for sure...any women willing to be on the look out for fishing gear is a Gem for sure...Bill
Charles, if the LW is ticking, you probably have a worn spot on the nylon idler gear..a couple bucks for the part. Note- 10-12lb is a bit light and may get behind the spool. I'd recco 15-20. I run 20 but more as a function of what i use the reels for.
Bill... I agree. She is my fishin' partner. She grew up in a Zebco family...
and I can't get her to budge off of using Zebco. ;D On the other hand
she is a Yard sale Jedi. And, willing to bring me home some good tackle.
8)
I know I'm a lucky guy.
TH....I'll take her back apart and check out the idler gear. I appreciate
the rec. on the # test. Will move up to 15 # test ...thank you.
Charles
Quote from: thorhammer on September 13, 2019, 02:19:33 PM
Charles, if the LW is ticking, you probably have a worn spot on the nylon idler gear..a couple bucks for the part. Note- 10-12lb is a bit light and may get behind the spool. I'd recco 15-20. I run 20 but more as a function of what i use the reels for.
If the line guide always hesitates at the same spot in the middle of the worm then it is not the idler gear. I don't remember the ratio but the idler makes several revolutions to get the line guide from one end of the worm to the other so the hesitation frequency would be higher. The problem is more likely in the worm itself. If the problem was the pawl then the hesitation would be at the ends of the worm where the pawl has to rotate inside the line guide.
Having a spare pawl indicates that Penn was not really satisfied with the robustness of their levelwind system any more than we are. To bad there was not room for a spare worm and too bad they were never able to fix it. That is not the earliest #9 but it has the same old problem.
-steve
Today at the swap...the ubiquitous Penn 60 Long Beach. Seemed to have good
bones. As you can tell by the "hand" photo the original owner apparently did not
believe in fresh water rinsing after Ocean use. I got a kick on finding a user tied
knot joining mono to mono about half way thru the spool. After a good cleansing
and lube and grease this little gem purrs.... great free spool and sensitive adjust-
ment of the main drag and star drag. Glad to find the metal spool wasn't scarred.
I gave $15... not much wiggle room. Completed listings on the web indicate current
market for "clean ones" are in the range of $20-$30. I'll probably give it to my
sibling. Still.... a quality USA fishing reel. ;)
edit: one face plate screw missing... solved with part from a donor reel in the pile.
No matter how many times I inspect before purchase it seems I always miss
something. I need to start buying more donor reels.
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/w3xEDNq
That really cleaned up well . Good job ! I've seen several of those "knots", myself....one I stripped the line from, the other day had SIX different kinds of line ! Thick, thin, mono, nylon braid....a real "mixed bag"!
Crow...
Thanks. While not obvious in the photo ...the tactile feel of the line pre and post
knot demonstrates the repetitive "wave" of stretching. Probably inadequate moisture
applied prior to cinching the knot. If some unsuspecting fisherman was being "spooled" by
that once in a lifetime catch.... the line surrounding the knot would be a likely break
point by the running fish. ;) at least that is the excuse I'd use. ;D
Charles
Quote from: cdaline on September 22, 2019, 12:53:10 AM
Glad to find the metal spool wasn't scarred.
https://imgur.com/a/w3xEDNq
ah, a stainless steel spool!!!!!!
Good save, that knot is why I always strip off and replace line. Bill
I just can't say . "No !", to a 49....especially a CHEAP 49...this one came to $21.01....delivered. One of you "more experienced" folks can "check my work", as to date: coin edge counterweight, and "shift" levers...."open" stand (no reel clamp provisions)with yardage markings, instead of part number......in fact, no part #'s on anything "external" (haven't opened it yet)......"football" shaped knob....I'm saying 1939, 0r "40! Am I close ?
It has the "brown" plastic spool...that I can see, even with the line still on it. All the "rings" are intact, ...no cracks or breaks....plating looks "pretty fair", with no really bad "corroded areas". I think it will look pretty decent, next to my "'38 49" !
Hi Crow,
Waffle clicker, or 'kiss clicker?
If it has a Hershey kiss clicker then it will be an early 1940 reel, as shown in the '40 catalogue, with no rod clamp just yet. By the end of 1940 Penn had added the rod clamps etc
Nice find - your on a roll!!
Cheers
Martin
Very nice find,,,, :D it amazing that a 80year old reel works great,,,,,, ;D
wow, thanks for sharing Crow, clean her up and lube her and land a big red on it on Dauphin :-)
I should have mentioned it is the "kiss" clicker ! So....'41, or '42 ?
Yeah, Shibs....I hope there are some "big reds"...or "big anythings" this winter ! The "Snow bird fishing club" has lost two "members", over the summer, (and another isn't doing well, with heart issues) so those remaining will have some "adjusting" to do , while "breaking in some new "fishing buddies".
You're right, Benni....I haven't "opened" it, but did pull the old line, and gave everything a shot of oil.....really good feel to the reel...smooth, good clicker, and a "flick of the thumb" gives some good spin to the spool !
Crow, sorry to hear that,
We have had similar issues here in MI, I hope to driven down for the last 2 weeks of December and fish some.
Yes Sir, Grandma and I are looking forward to some dauphin Island fishing. She loves the white trout and hard tails.
Back on topic: Post some picks after you get a chance to crack that reel open please. Can't wait to see the insides of it.
Introduction year of the 49 was the only year of a "non clamp stand" and also only year yardage was stamped on the foot
I've got a lot to learn about "dating" (reels, that is !)....I've been reading Mike's "Blue Book", and also the old, on-line Penn catalogs available on the Mystic site, but, just when I think I've learned something....something pops up that says, "not always " ! I guess that's to be expected....lot's of opportunities for replaced parts, modifications, etc., over that long a "life span".
Hi Crow,
Have you removed the nylon from the reel yet?
I have an identical reel as that one which does not have the reinforcing 'ridge' around the corner where the arbour meets the flange, as per the '38 and '39 model 49's. It would seem that this ridge was added later in 1940, when Penn also added the rod clamp seat. The first clamps for the '49s still had the yardage stamped on them, as well as the holes for the bolts of the clamp. By the end of 1940 Penn had stopped stamping the yardage on the stands.
Cheers
Martin
A 1/0 Senator. This one looks to me, like its never had line on it and that's how it was advertised. I halfed their asking price and was surprised they sold it to me, though it was still expensive ( "half-off of double the price" Ha!)
I'm gonna oil and grease everything, then shelf it.
Note: in the 3rd pic. the 2 indentations on the jack spring screw. Never seen that before. Also, the 2 projections near the click spring in pic. 4. The brown factory grease dripped off the click pawl(hard to see) and onto the plate probably long ago, but it was still fairly soft.
Another note: I have a collection of 6 old reels so far. LB 65 Deluxe, Silver Beach 97, Shakes. maroon 2062, Zebco Cardinal 4, all used, including by me(except the SB 97, Dom talked sense into me about that one) and 2 pristine Penn's: a 60 and this one. I've covered the exterior of these 2 with a marine grease/oil mix to preserve them. In Hawaii you gotta do this for any metal you wanna keep for years. Any opinions about better options or possible bad results?
Yeah, as nice as that one is..it belongs on the shelf !
I pulled the line, to see the spool, on the 49, Martin......Not sure I really understand where the "ridge" you are referring to might be, as I don't recall seeing anything like that on any of the plastic spools that I have. The pic isn't very good, but, to my eye...it's a "ridgeless" spool ?
I guess I need to pay more "attention" ::) ! I just looked at the spool Chad sent me, for the "clear" project, and....Yup ! there is a "ridge" around the arbor, next to the flange ! This spool is a "black" one, so...wonder if ALL the black ones have the ridge...and all the "brown" ones don't ? I'll have to check all of mine, and see ???
Quote from: Crow on September 28, 2019, 04:16:19 PM
I guess I need to pay more "attention" ::) ! I just looked at the spool Chad sent me, for the "lear" project, and....Yup ! there is a "ridge" arounf the arbor, next to the flange ! This spool is a "black" one, so...wonder if ALL the black ones have the ridge...and all the "brown" ones don't ? I'll have to check all of mine, and see ???
So many things get mentioned and I usually forget them, I need to write this stuff down. Crow, I'm not sure if this is right but Ted made some comments about the "ridge" before...I'm thinking the ridged spools were the older ones...help Ted! :-\
To the best of my knowledge, the spools that had that little lip where arbor meets the flange are pre war. After the war the plastic spools were redesigned with a rounded taper from arbor to flange
Hi Crow,
The very first spools, for the '49, the 149 and the 249, found in the 1939 models, (and 1938 for the '49) did not have that ridge. It would seem to be a 1940 addition, even for the 149's and 249's.
Both my 1938, and 1939 model '49 do not have any yardage stamped on the reel foot, although Mike C, in his green book, page 126, has a photo, seemingly of a 1939 model49, with a yardage stamped, non clamp reel foot.
I would be interested if anybody has an actual 1939 model '49 ,with a yardage stamped foot.
Cheers
Martin
Quote from: Gfish on September 28, 2019, 07:52:53 AMA 1/0 Senator. This one looks to me, like its never had line on it and that's how it was advertised. I halfed their asking price and was surprised they sold it to me, though it was still expensive ( "half off of double the price" Ha!)
Wow, that's a beauty, gotta love those 1/0 mini Senators. So, inquiring minds want to know... what was the final tally?
You mean the price Nelz? "Half off of double the price" was a stupid joke of mine. It was advertised for $189, with, of course, the "make offer" option avalible. So they's probably fishin around to see how much they could really get. If I remember it right, 1st I offer $80, they counter $120, I complain about no manual, the box condition & shipping cost(should never be more'n $12 for a med.-small reel), yada, yada, ended up $102 including the shipping.
That was quite the deal! And you are a master haggler, lol.
I can't comment on the 49-149-249 models.
BUT, every Pre war plastic spool Penn reel I own, Has the ridge as Ted pointed out.
I only own a 249, got it recently, it has the brown spool, haven't really looked into it as such yet, but it has the yardage stamp on the reel seat
and it has the ridge on the arbour of the spool.
Yep, I have a '39 with brown spool with flanges. I have two (one is Spooled up) so I'll have to check the other but one sure does.
Thing is, one never knows if it was "original" to the reel.
Dom
Hi Crow,
Thanks for the photos of the spool - they show that you have an early 1940 model #49 - the reel pictured in the 1940 catalogue. So, you have 2 of the first 3 variants of the #49. All you need to do now is find a 1939 model (Waffle clicker, no ridge, torpedo handle nob, with or without yardage stamped on the clampless foot) - to complete the trio!! Best of luck!! They are out there!!
Cheers
Martin
Just finished cleaning up my latest addition to the collection,
It's a 140 Squidder with box, which by the price, ( no catalog ) would date it between 1946-49
The box needed a bit of re enforcing and has wear, as well as the reel, which was definitely used.
The original spool still has some type of line on it, not sure what type, doesn't form a hard lump when a flame is put on it, similar to the old cuttyhunk I have on my 30's Senator,,, so I am going to remove it, give it a bathing, dry it out and put it back on the spool.
I'm lovin these 40's boxes, can't get enough of them.....
Col
Very nice,,,,,, ;) looks new,,,,, ;D
Col, that's a nice squidder and the box isn't the easiest find. The price, as Ted has pointed out, was $25 for about 25 years except for one or two years which it was $27.50.
Nice addition,
Dom
Hi Dom, Yes, that price of 27.50 made me stand up and look at it, for that reason.
I do luv the 40's boxes and have a few more of these in various states of cleaning and repair at the minute.
But I must admit Dom, I'm excited about another purchase, My first of these !!!.
Am doing a few minor repairs on the box as we speak, but I was quite excited to snare my first of these....
Col
Nice box milne !!! I would like to find one my self !! John Taylor
Thanks John,
Been searching a while now, was wrapped to secure my first....
Unfortunately it doesn't end there, ( as you know) it's endless !!!!!
cheers
Col
It looks , to me, that you have a good system for bringing those boxes "back from the brink", and I'm anxious to see more of your work ! That's a nice Squidder, too !
Nice find, Col. Love me some lighthouse boxes. Only have 2 as well (6/0 & 12/0).
They are tough to find in decent shape, so it's nice to see you restoring them as I do. Ray (Superhook) taught me his method. (sure miss that guy)
Keep at it... looking good from here.
Dom
Nice finds and refurbs Col!
I wish I could find me a 9/0 for $32! :D
Quote from: xjchad on October 05, 2019, 09:12:53 PM
I wish I could find me a 9/0 for $32! :D
Me too brother! Way to go Col!! 8)
Quote from: xjchad on October 05, 2019, 09:12:53 PM
Nice finds and refurbs Col!
I wish I could find me a 9/0 for $32! :D
HaHaHa,
Wouldn't that be great !!, Imagine going back and only paying the original box price for all out collecting purchases.......
But Sadly......... :'(
Thanks guys.
Col
Great finds, Col, building a nice collection my friend!
Thanks Darin, It's a long road !!! HaHa.
Hope all is well with you and your family Darin, and that your managing to wet a line ????.
Tell me Darin, have you managed to give that tricked up Squidder a good thrashing yet ?.
If so, would luv to here about how you found it, Mine is still sitting there, waiting for a bulk order to build up for the Internal upgrades.
Col
Next Cab off the ranks, ( on a roll )
Is a 40's boxed Senator, one of the baby ones ;D
Just re enforced the box a tad, gusseting the corners internally,
Now, the reels turn...... Was pleasantly surprised when stripping this one down, never seen this set up with the internal screws on to the post
and the reel seat, very interesting. The reel is partly numbered, so I'm guessing it could be a late 49, pricing indicates this, but maybe they used these boxes into the 1950's, dunno.... anyways, on with the soak I go......
Col
QuoteIs a 40's boxed Senator, one of the baby ones
Just re enforced the box a tad, gusseting the corners internally,
Now, the reels turn...... Was pleasantly surprised when stripping this one down, never seen this set up with the internal screws on to the post
and the reel seat, very interesting. The reel is partly numbered, so I'm guessing it could be a late 49, pricing indicates this, but maybe they used these boxes into the 1950's, dunno.... anyways, on with the soak I go......
The price puts the box used from 1946 to 1950. So this print style would fit into any of those years. Usually, if the reel's model name is printed on a slant, it is a 1940's box, but since this reel kept its price to 1950, this particular Senator 2/0 box is more than likely used up to and including 1950. nice find!
Thanks Mike,
I suppose because most parts on it are labelled, not all, the reel seat and the nut for the lever are un marked, that I figured
more towards the late 40's or even 1950. It was interesting to see the drag was accessible from the outside, which I researched that they changed to internal drag access around 52-53 ish.
Another reel to learn from, it doesn't stop with Penn, which I think makes it all the more interesting.
Cheers
Col
You ARE on a roll, Col ! Getting some good stuff !
Nice find Col, cheers Don.
Sweet score Col. Keep em coming !!
Ted
I'd like to get back a few pages to the 49's with yardage stamped on the non clamping foot. I have one that I thought was a frankenreel, as it has a hershey kiss clicker button on the 4 boat sideplate, not the waffle that I have seen with any other stamped foot 49's. No numbers, coin edge, football carmel colored grip. Is the kiss on this reel in fact correct?
I thought I'd put up one of the 49's that I still have working for a living. I keep 3 of them on 7' old school trolling rods from dad's old charter biz equipped with Varmac seats and roller tips. Two to troll with and one backup. They have the carbontex treatment with Alan's trick of a carbontex 113 washer under the main gear. Still outstanding fishers today rigged ss wire to get down in the fast rips here. Another mod I'm considering is a 5-40 ss bolt in the crosspost where the lower lever engages the drag. When the drag is in the engaged position a raised bolt could keep the reel in drag only by physically blocking the movement of the lower lever to the knuckle buster position. Kind of a poor man's 349.
This 209 greenie was the result of, and a surprise in a swap for an old 704Z with the black spool. I was very happy with the deal, then here is this sad old Peer sitting almost apologetically at the bottom of the box. I have a probably never spooled 209 that will be merged into the swap reel when I get down south next week that should result in a handsome green Peer for the shelf. I'll post the result.
Nice deal ! I'd like to run on to some of the "colored" ones...in my price range ;)
Was excited to get to the mail today, been eagerly awaiting this one.
A first year Sea Hawk, quickly opened her up to find the jk mark on both head and tail plate.
It's the first of the dome buttons I have, both my Seaford and 1st year king fisher don't have them.
It looks like the reel seat may have been ground down, but I'm not to bothered about that,
I was more impressed by the condition, from the photo's I thought it had a lot of marks and corrosion on the
metal ware, but much to my delight, it's all just caked on dirt......
I shall post up a photo of it once I give it the good cleaning, I luv these things !!!!!!
Col
Good find, Col !! I can't wait to see her "in her party clothes " !
That looks like one of those reels that will clean up fantastic Col...can't wait to see her! 8)
You have a model f with the badge of a Sea Hawk. Sweet score!
I agree with Mo, she's gonna clean up nicely.
Nice score,
Dom
Would the 1932 dome add value to Col's 1933 reel? Just curious of opinions from nope to how much or a percentage like Mike C has published for some lefty's in his Green book.
Hi Cutty,
I don't know about the "more value %"question, But what I have found, is that they used this dome button first, but seem to have swapped to the
other button on models later that year, now I could be wrong, but I'm sure I saw a first year Seahawk with the other button.
I think I read that in Mikes book as well somewhere......
Thanks Guys.
Col
Quote from: milne on October 09, 2019, 09:15:48 PMBut what I have found, is that they used this dome button first, but seem to have swapped to the other button on models later that year, now I could be wrong, but I'm sure I saw a first year Seahawk with the other button.
Is this a first year Seahawk? Is the "other button" you're referring to the "waffle" style?
Hi Col,
The 1933 seahawk #40 came in 3 variations - the first had the same, shiny smooth dome clicker, as per the 1932 model 'F',.
Then, for a short while, Penn used the clicker as per your seahawk - these clickers where also used on '33 Seafords. I recall some discussion on this site re these clickers were from the Ocean City company??
Finally, Penn changed to the 'waffle" clicker, as in Nelz's example.
The waffle clicker was replaced in 1939/40
Cheers
Martin
Martin is correct, the smooth dome was first. Then the ornamental dome, then the waffle click.
I believe the dome clickers ended in early '33. That's my finding throughout my collection at least.
Dome clickers are much tougher finds cause Penn didn't ramp up production when those were being used. They ramped up when the waffle clicks were the thing.
Dom
Well, blow me down !
I didn't realise there were two types of dome clickers, Ok...
I have 2, 33 Seafords, one is boxed and both have the waffle clicker. I thought this was standard for the Seaford, as they were a very late 33
introduction, I'd luv to see one with the dome if you have it ???.
Martin, now you've gone and made me want to search for that smooth dome clicker now !!!! LOL
I haven't finished with the Seahawks yet, all of mine are 250 yd models, so that elusive 300yd model is still to be found.
I was trying to get one example of every change they made,through the years, which I thought I'd now done with the 250 yd ones, maybe I'll settle for the dome clicker model I have now,, that was hard enough to get in reasonable condition without paying an arm an a leg.
It's funny really, how certain models, some find easy to come across, and others find them difficult to get, I guess it's just chance at the time your looking, right place right time scenario....
Nelz, From what I understand, that looks like a first year Seahawk, its a 3 poster, does it have that ellusive JK stamp on either of the plates ??
Col
OK,
Last one of the recent " splurge" ( I promise ;D )
A Boxed early 40's Seagate.
It doesn't have that hex type clicker, it has a hershey type, but the reel will clean up a treat.
The box has been " fixed up" before, with a lot of seletape wrapped all round it, not how I would have done it, but it is all original and intact,
So it will be a nice addition........
Got some cleaning to do now, 3 sitting there for there make over, so should keep me busy for a week or so...
Col
Thanks SGS
Nice find Col
Yes, the 33's are always a good find for me, found a SeaHawk that is Col's twin, and learned (thanks guys) that there were 2 dome styles on 33. also shelved two 33 SeaFord's, one badged Kingfisher, both with the waffles.
Sorry for not being clear, as far as I know the "ornamental" dome was only used for part of '33 and then the waffle click appeared. Its my belief that the smooth dome was only used in '32 for the "F" and "K" but some super early sea hawks are also adorned with the smooth dome, most likely due to left overs. Most of those early sea hawk have the KJ (circle k as some call it) plates that are more of a brown and have the appearance of leather like the "K" and "F" instead of solid maroon color which came later.
Best
Dom
Hey, well done Cutty, That would be a good haul of reels !,
With the 33's, it's great finding and getting them, but even better when you crack them open and find that circle K as well.
The kingfisher was the first one I got that had the circle K, the 33 Seafords didn't.
That's the great thing about these reels, you never stop learning, especially from the great knowledge that gets shared here.
Thanks Dom, There's always some thing new to learn.
Col
Col,
I haven't opened up any of them, The old girls, to me, should be left alone, and I don't want to burr any of the screws. I do sneak in a little lube if they are stiff and Otto's original designs just spin so sweet. As a businessman for most of my life I admire another guy who has stepped up and knows what he's doing.
Fish On,
Bob
Quote from: milne on October 10, 2019, 08:53:28 PM
it's great finding and getting them, but even better when you crack them open and find that circle K as well.
Do you think that Circle K thing might be the mark of the outfit that made the mold for Penn? Making the molds was/is a whole separate business from using molds to cast stuff. Somewhere on line I once came across a site that had pictures of registered trademarks.
-steve
Hi Steve,
Yes, for the 32 & 33 year, Penn contracted there side plates out to a company called kuhn and Jacob, so seeing there mark will definitely date the reel to 33 in my instance for the Seahawk. I believe Penn ordered there own side plates in late 33, but once 34 came along, kuhn and jacobs plates were no longer used. The early Seafords, I believe, were the first to use Penn's own plates ( I could stand to be corrected there).
So finding the stamp on the inside plates is a good way of dating the reel to 33........
Heres a shot of the JK marking on the Seahawk tail plate that I'm currently stripping and cleaning. this reel has the mark on both plates.
Hope it comes out clear enough to see.
Col
I learn something new here, every day ! I had never seen those "dome" click buttons !
I've been stuck on the 49 series reels....for some reason I find them very interesting. I have a 349HC...fer fishin', thanks to Lee (and pretty soon I'll be testing that one out !), as well as a 349HC, for "looking at"....but, there was lots of room on that shelf, so........a 349, a 349H, and a "red' 349H, have crawled in from the mailbox ;). Three separate buys...all ebay.....total for all three, delivered was a little less than $80, so I don't *think* I spent too much, although there are a couple broken / cracked outer rings, and one spool is pretty "green". They should shine up well enough to fill that shelf ! I've got a couple more 49's "en route", too.....maybe I'll have to build MORE shelves ???
There's some very nice reels popping up here and I got a 85,,,,,, ;D
Neat looking plates on that one, Benni !
Quote from: Crow on October 12, 2019, 01:14:11 AM
Neat looking plates on that one, Benni !
thank you my friend and very nice 349's you got
Get some more shelves Crow,
It's a hard habit to kick, so just give into it ;D
Col
So I got stuck into the 33 Seahawk and gave it a good old cleaning. The old grease inside the plates and around the gears was particularly hard to get off,
But the inside plates came up real good.
A quick scrub up with my trusty tooth brush and a new dowsing of grease and she came up a treat.
The chrome ware is showing it's age, I saw somewhere that some use a polish to get them looking even schmicker, I was kinda happy to
leave it showing the old patina and I was really happy with how she came out.
There's a couple of buff marks in the tail plate, not bad, but after all she is 85 + years old now,
But certainly good enough for my shelf, one of my favourites now.....
I only have an old iphone to take photo's with, I don't think it's doing this reel justice...
Fine Job! ;)
Beautiful work, Milne!
You know what you are about...
I too, appreciate the simple patina of 85 years --
And yet -- the old soldier is ready and willing for another battle either in the salt or hooking shelf fish...
Impressive & inspiring!
Best,
Fred
Beauty of a job on that sea hawk. I am surprised though that there isn't a KJ on both plates. :-\
Keep up the nice work,
Dom
Really great job, Col !
That one is about as close to owning the 32 "F" as most of us are likely to get with that leftover dome. Did production numbers survive for the K & F model reels? Hope I look that good if I can get past 85!! ::)
That's how ya clean up a reel...bravo Col!! 8)
Quote from: broadway on October 12, 2019, 12:25:53 PM
Beauty of a job on that sea hawk. I am surprised though that there isn't a KJ on both plates. :-\
Keep up the nice work,
Dom
Hi Dom, Sorry, i should have mentioned, yes there is the KJ emblem on both plates. I didn't realise at first the head plate had one too when I first
cracked it open, then there she was !! was like a kid in a lolly shop when I saw it ;D
Thanks guys, as I said, I really enjoyed cleaning this one, maybe because it was such a simple reel to do, because of it's simplicity inside, or the fact it
it is a 33 model, but it was very enjoyable.......
Col
QuoteDid production numbers survive for the K & F model reels?
Yes. There were about 1000 of each Model F & K reels made. Where the guess work comes in is how many Model K's with Star verses without Star drag were built. I feel the Model K with the Star drag were made for most of the production run. The non-star Model K is much more rare.
Col, I'm not looking to second guess you, as you have the reel in front of you, but something looks strange with the JK markings. The head plate looks to have markings (when zooming in) that look to be carved in the plate (removing material) as opposed to the "KJ" being in relief. Can you show a closer shot of the head plate marking?
Thanks,
Dom
Hi Dom,
You can second guess me any time you want ;D
It may be my phone not giving a decent picture, it's getting old like me....
So cracked it open and wiped the new grease away, hope this is clearer,,
About the best I can do with this dinosaur phone..
I think it looks ok.
Col
Did y'all see the 30's Sea Hawk w/ dome clicker that just sold on the bay for $97? I thought it would go for much more. I was gonna bid but got distracted and missed out. I bet someone from here ended up buying it!
I saw that Nelz, should clean up real nice too. Pity about the big scratch in the tail plate but !.
Mind you, there's been one sitting there with the waffle clicker for a while for a lazy $400......
tidy reel but....
Col
Thanks Col... I was kinda hoping it wasn't there, but I know you wanted the KJ on both so wasn't trying to crap on your parade, ya know?
I asked because if it didn't exist and the head plate was original to the reel which is looks like it is then maybe it would be a transition reel. Meaning transitioning from the KJ plates to the first Penn factory made plates.
This would be cool to see (and I'm sure they are out there) because there would have to be some slight variations unless they took the molds from KJ, which they may have I don't know.
You did a nice job and now you have a great shelfie to add to a blooming collection.
Best,
Dom
Hi Dom, That's kinda funny right there..
Because I'm in cleaning mode, I have just disassembled my 33 kingfisher trade reel,,, I opened it up when I got it, briefly looked at the tail plate to see the JK markings, saw it was relatively clean and screwed it back together. So That's the next cab off the ranks for a "MO" special clean up.
Just as point, It has the markings on both plates. But I hear you about the "transitional stage", If I had more 33 year models I could look, but sadly no.
I know for sure, my 34 model reels have no markings and as previously mentioned, my 2 - 33 Seafords are blank on both plates as well.
interesting
Col
You're doing well with your restorations, and have no doubt you'll find plenty more '33 reels to see what you find. You're right, by '34 the marks are definitely gone.
Thanks for the clarification photo,
Dom
I had another 49 arrive today.....I gave more for it ($34), than I usually spend, but it appeared to be in really good shape, with rings all intact....and I REALLY *needed* that spool ::)! I didn't notice , from the ebay pix, but I see, on closer inspection, that it has the smaller *star wheel*. This one won't get "messed with" until next spring (more to do , now, than I have time for! And "fishin' time is coming...fast !) soit's just going to get a "spray down" with WD-40, and go on to the "waiting list"!
I wouldn't use WD, especially if the project pile is large, it could be there nearly forever.
WD turns to varnish. I pulled a .45 from a safety deposit box and it was locked up good. I actually posted these pics on another site earlier today, someone suggested a guy hose down the internals of a generator carburetor with it when putting it up for the season. :o
It's a great solvent...but a terrible lubricant.
About the only thing I use WD-40 for is a light spray after servicing a reel, to remove excess exterior grease, finger-prints, and such.
Spray, wipe down, and put the reel into a cloth drawstring bag.
That's it --
Best,
Fred
So, what would you recommend to use as a "stabilizer" ? Something to use to prevent corrosion from getting worse in the 3-6 month period before I get chance to do complete tear down and clean up.
From my perspective Crow, I have used WD40 to give a quick squirt and leave it for that period of time till I got to it and completely stripped it down
It can leave a tarnish if left over a period of time, but it probably is better than not doing anything at all.
I often open the reel up, rag it down, give it a good squirting of WD40 and pop it to one side. I have left reels for up to 4-5 months and gone back to them
and had no issues. The thing is, that your going to scrub and clean up the reel eventually anyhow's and WD40 certainly isn't going to harm anything.
Once I finally get back to the reel and clean it up properly, I grease it up, I don't use WD40 as a long term lubricant/preserver.
But that's just me,, I figure that something is better than nothing at all.
Long term storage, different story........
Col
I use it all the time because it is in a pressurized can. LPS-1 is pretty much the same stuff; also in a spray can. The pressure spray will dissolve and wash gunk out of the cervices. There should be a micro pressure washer that you could load with any solvent or high-tech lube you want to blast the gunk away. Oh, oh.... I got an idea.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on October 17, 2019, 03:04:36 AM
I use it all the time because it is in a pressurized can. LPS-1 is pretty much the same stuff; also in a spray can. The pressure spray will dissolve and wash gunk out of the cervices. There should be a micro pressure washer that you could load with any solvent or high-tech lube you want to blast the gunk away. Oh, oh.... I got an idea.
-steve
Love you're ideas Steve, can't wait to see how it pans out!
Corrosion X, which every reel tech should have, or better yet, Corrosion Block, which is heavier, for your purpose. I really like Ballistol as well, and use it on firearms, but it's never mentioned here.
John
Quote from: Crow on October 16, 2019, 10:45:00 PM
So, what would you recommend to use as a "stabilizer" ? Something to use to prevent corrosion from getting worse in the 3-6 month period before I get chance to do complete tear down and clean up.
It will take longer than that to varnish. Besides...even if it does turn to varnish...it ain't no big deal. Varnished WD-40
easily washes off with a spray of fresh WD-40. It's as simple as this, just don't use the stuff as oil, it's a poor lubricant. It has a ton of other great uses though.
Try T-9 Boeshield, great stuff !
Steve
Some auto automotive parts washers have an attached hose, my neighbors is awesome for a first clean on reels, before finding this site and it's wealth of information, I used to blast reels with doing as little disassembly as possible, the results were pretty impressive.
I find INOX mx4, not to bad, cheers Don.
WD for me !!!!
Box #2:
the 49 is a "rather' old example, and the LB60 has a drilled stand. There were a couple other reels in this box...an Ocean City "bay city", and an old Phlueger level wind.
That's a nice very nice one
Great looking reel ! looks new !
Condition is fantastic...nice reel Chris!
Nice looking 6/0 Chris
Tough to find in that kind of condition. The chrome on those cross bars was terrible, it starts to deteriorate fast. Beautiful reel.
Looks really nice Chris ! Your shelves must be getting pretty full up with BEAUTIFUL PENN REELS ! Keep it up. John Taylor
Nice find Chris, I brought one about 12 months ago, with a standup penn rod, full of braid AU $50.00 the lot, I was going through the city so I picked it up on the way.
also can anyone tell me what would be a reasonable price for a 143 ocean city reel, it looks quite good. cheers Don.
Just received my first Silver Beach....a "99". Got it pretty cheap (even for me !), but it does have some issues! Not much corrosion, but, one ring is cracked / broken, and, it is TIGHT !! AR dog doesn't seem to be working, the "quick take a part" won't , and I'm suspecting some issue with either the gearing, or a spool rubbing problem....it has 4 locations that really "catch" as you turn it. A good soak , and some "wiggling" will hopefully get the "take a part" to work, then I can see just how bad things are, in there !
I love the 99...it's one of Penn's greatest reels. That cracked ring is an indication the bakelite is swelled, probably what is holding the take apart side plate too. Holler if you get in a bind. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on October 24, 2019, 05:31:18 PM I love the 99...it's one of Penn's greatest reels.
What do you love about it Mo?
Quote from: nelz on October 24, 2019, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: mo65 on October 24, 2019, 05:31:18 PM I love the 99...it's one of Penn's greatest reels.
What do you love about it Mo?
The size, the gearing, the "take apart" side plate, the variety of spools available, it's a very versatile reel.
$10 from a local gentleman, it belonged to his father
Has lead line on it, I need to take it off and switch the backing out of there is any
Another view of the 309
Had the frozen take apart side too, started with a single edge razor blade as a wedge between the frame and right plate just to get things moving with lots of penetrating oil, then to a slightly thicker utility knife blade as the wedge. Can't go too big on the wedge as the side is twist locked into the frame. Took a few days to come free, be patient and let the oil work. Cool old reel.
That's a nice, clean reel, Shibs !! And the price was right, too !
I got the 'take-a-part', apart....used a similar approach...squirted it with WD40....trying to get it "in the join', and worked it a bit with a knife blade. There was a lot of dirt inside, and that's what had it bound up, I think. The "catching" as it rotates is either a "tweeked" plastic spool, or the 'frame has been "tweeked" out of square......no time now , to go further on it....another "spring time job" ;)....so many reels, so little time ::)!
I already showed this one a while back, but I have ended up catching up on cleaning all my new reels, with this one being my last one to do.
The reel has heaps of wear Patina and I kinda like that. Everything else apart from the spool and posts came up really nice, so I was quite happy, if only this reel could talk and tell us what journeys she has been on. The box has come up great, I wont be using the box to store the reel, so that will prolong it's life a fair bit longer.
The 9/0, what a great reel to work on, my only other is a very early first generation that I only opened up for a peak, so this is the first one I have got my hands dirty with,,, and I loved working on her. Probably because everything's bigger on it, that certainly helps, rather than trying to get my fat fingers around the smaller reel parts ;D
I gotta say, I have to now add one of these 9/0's to my fishing artillery, what a great sized reel !!!
I sat there after cleaning this one up, and pondered, I still haven't put up a shelving system to store all my vintage reels, that's gotta happen now !! I had a count up and I've near got 70 vintage reels now !!!!! The spare room where all things "reels" happens, is now bursting at the seams and room is at a premium..... There in one corner lies my unfinished "modding" projects, 2- 113's, a Squidder, all Tiburon up grade projects sitting in limbo,,,, Now, with the thoughts or rather the need to do the same with a 9/0.
I could seriously go in to the room, shut the door and not emerge for a week, with all the "to do" tasks I have.
Any one else Suffer from the same " disease" I obviously have ;D
Any how, a picture of my cleaned up 49 9/0................
Col
Nice job Col looks great !! John Taylor
Great job on the clean-up, Col ! I understand about the need for "more shelves, too ::)! We plan on storing the RV "down south" this next season, instead of bringing home with us, in the spring....that will open a BIG pace for reels !! ;D
Really nice job on the 9/0 Col, they are a nice size reel, I have a very old 9/0 & a old 6/0 with brass bushes on my boat all the time, they are the roughest reals I own, but work really good, I love the work are doing on restoring the old bozes, cheers Don.
Crow, that is good new.
Col, good job on the 9/0
That 9/0 cleaned up nice, box looks good too!
Thanks guys, I really love making these old girls shine.
The Senator was in really good condition when I received it, it had been well looked after, but together the box and reel takes a special place on my shelf, my first light house box.
( when I get around to putting shelves up. ;D)
The addiction continues....
Col
Early in the month I posted this sad 209 greenie that came in a bulk trade, using a donor 209 thanks to the ORCA housecleaning last summer I think the old girl is
looking pretty good. Sadly the original red knob had the sleeve frozen to the post and busted loose from the crank at the base.
Good job !!
Oh Wow, That has come up real sweet, great job !!
Col
That come up a treat, good job
Kim
really nice work, cheers Don.
Nice chrome on it ! Price was fair, as well.
That's a winner all day long!
My lucky Day yesterday, on the local trade sight, I picked up a Senator 9/0 & rod, for AU $50.00, also I brought a new with box, Jig Master 500L from Hank Foilet for AU$70.00, that arrived yesterday, cheers Don.
Sound like you did good, Don ! Especially on that 9/0 !
Wow, great buys Don
$50 on a 9/0 is brilliant, that's my next project....
Col
Nice find Don!
Yes well done Don sounds good.
Kim
How about some pictures.
Thanks Kim, I would love to send picture, but I have a windows 10 program on the computer, Decker & some of the other members have sent me lots of info on posting pics, but my computer just wont follow the prom so to speak, the reel arrivered today, it turns very freely, has a lot of virtgus & patarna on it, should come up okay, but not a shelfy, would be okay to fish with, the bloke also sent a 80Lbs full roller rod with it, know extra charge, yee Ha, cheers Don.
What's a beauty!
That's a beauty
The log knob is made from Lignum Vitae......rosewood came later
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 01, 2019, 11:36:51 PM
That's a beauty
The log knob is made from Lignum Vitae......rosewood came later
Thanks Ted I will make an edit.
Wow ! Ya' did good on that !!
Nice 9/0 like the handle
Kim
Beautiful Chris, lucky man, cheers Don.
I've never even heard of a log handle! That thing is very pretty.
The Man
Great score Chris ! Super clean looks like almost no use. John Taylor
I gotta know Chris...where and how do you get a reel like that for 68 bucks? :o Great score!!
Thank you guys!
AQmazing reel! How a pic of thevc
Quote from: mo65 on November 02, 2019, 11:35:29 AM
I gotta know Chris...where and how do you get a reel like that for 68 bucks? :o Great score!!
how does anyone get a screaming "buy it now" deal like this on eBay ??
Answer: being in the right place at the right time for the stars to align
Here is what I believe is a 1st year('41) #85 as found. Coin edge CB and yardage on seat.....and what looks like a black spool, but in broad daylight looks dark brown, then hit it with a flashlight and it is actually light brown with some black pigmentations, but not what would be considered mottled like the early 50's #85
It fits right in my low budget collection !!
Nice one !!
Great find Ted, I love those "budget reels" and that one sure does look sweet....
Col
Looks like a first year to me.
Nice colored spool.
What a difference some light makes. 8)
Best,
Dom
Cool reel Ted! I like the simplicity of those 85s. Head boats are still using them. 8)
Very cool,,,,,, 8) love that 85,,,,,,,,,, ;D
Nice find Ted
What are those handle knobs made from ?
Some type of wood it seems ?
Safe to give it a light soak in a mild degreaser ?
I have a 1950's one with part numbers .... hence my question ???
Regards
AC49
This came in today,,, :D $150 on sol,,,, ;) the cat came right up to it and checked it out,,, ??? But didn't tell me anything,,,,, ;D
That was a good score!
According to the cat...it must have caught some fish !!
Nice reel Bennie ,I might have to get one of those.
Kim
Quote from: Benni3 on November 21, 2019, 11:11:43 PMThis came in today,,, :D $150 on sol
What is "sol" ? Nice vintage reel, but what makes this model so desireable?
Nelz,
It's a left handed 706 and a not so common reel in itself. Stripers Online (SOL)
Best
Dom
This brings up something I've *wondered* about ! With a left handed conventional (or baitcaster) reel....the "left" means the hand you "crank" with, but spinners seem "backwards" to that. Folks call it a "left handed" spinner, when you crank with the RIGHT hand, and cast with the left???
Quote from: Crow on November 22, 2019, 04:16:18 PM
This brings up something I've *wondered* about ! With a left handed conventional (or baitcaster) reel....the "left" means the hand you "crank" with, but spinners seem "backwards" to that. Folks call it a "left handed" spinner, when you crank with the RIGHT hand, and cast with the left???
I've seen various discussions on that. Technically, it's made to be a spinner for a left handed person who cranks with their right hand, just as a baitcaster for a left handed person has the crank on the left side and palmed on the right... but I don't think anyone is strictly enforcing it. Some people do it well either way. Only reel I can comfortably crank with either hand is a fly reel, but I still have to cast with my right hand.
Quote from: broadway on November 22, 2019, 04:01:12 PMNelz, It's a left handed 706 and a bit so common reel in itself. Stripers Online (SOL)
Aha! Thanks Dom.
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wfjord:
I was handed a lefty spinner once on trip and could barely function with it, lol. ::)
Quote from: Crow on November 22, 2019, 02:07:57 AM
According to the cat...it must have caught some fish !!
thanks very much my friends,,,,, ;) and yes the cat knows something but won't talk,,,,,, ;D
Nice one!
Decided to take the gamble on a early Seaford, purely because it had the domed clicker, all my first year ones have the other type.
This reel is probably in the worst condition of all my reels, the face and tail plate look as if someones tried to scribe patterns on them.
Inside, it seriously looks as if it hasn't been opened since the 30's, but has the JK markings on the tail plate ( was happy with that).
A couple of oddity's though,,, Notice on the picture of the tail plate, this one has the rivot going through the tail plate itself, it doesn't look at all as though
it was an after the fact method, everything looks very original.
The second oddity, is the handle, it matches the other domed clicker SeaHawk reel I have, but on the inside, it has the stamping 001
I seem to recall something about markings on the inside of handles, I searched but couldn't find anything.
Thoughts ???
Col
Just as reference, I cracked the tail plate of my domed SeaHawke and sat them side by side ( after scraping the gunk out of the Seaford ).
As mentioned, both JK stamped tail plates, you can notice a difference in the mould between the two, in the centre where the bearing screws in, have not noticed this variation in the mould on the other 33's I have, maybe there were variations.....
Col
QuoteDecided to take the gamble on a early Seaford, purely because it had the domed clicker, all my first year ones have the other type.
This reel is probably in the worst condition of all my reels, the face and tail plate look as if someones tried to scribe patterns on them.
Inside, it seriously looks as if it hasn't been opened since the 30's, but has the JK markings on the tail plate ( was happy with that).
A couple of oddity's though,,, Notice on the picture of the tail plate, this one has the rivot going through the tail plate itself, it doesn't look at all as though
it was an after the fact method, everything looks very original.
The second oddity, is the handle, it matches the other domed clicker SeaHawk reel I have, but on the inside, it has the stamping 001
I seem to recall something about markings on the inside of handles, I searched but couldn't find anything.
Thoughts
You should be very happy that you bought that Sea Ford. That is about as early as you can get, maybe even prototype Sea Ford. I have a head plate like that on my Model F Chrome plated prototype (First Penn Reel). That is a handmade tail plate. Possibly a Otto Henze hand made early reel, in my opinion. You should clean that reel and do nothin else to it. I expect the spool bearing is threaded right to the plastic. Probably no insert. A normal 1933 Sea Ford is a late edition for the Model year and should have a metal insert that the tail plate spool bearing threads into.
The number on the handle may be an assembly number, which would reflect on the handmade status of the reel. look for that stamping on some other metal part. It could be a serial number also. If it is a serial number, you have the first 1933 Sea Ford made. In that case, your doubtful purchase is the home run of the year.
Food for thought.
Hi Mike,
Just checked the tail plate and there is an insert for the spool bearing.
The tail and head plates, look like someone absolutely scratched the heck out of it, a real shame.
I have everything soaking at the minute, Can't get the head plate spool bearing to move, so I will have to give it a good soaking.
I'll clean it up properly and show put up some photo's of it then.
As Mentioned, I was keen on it, purely because of the domed button, I new it was in horrible condition, well fished !!.
It's interesting to see your example too of the tail plate,which looks like it has been hand "Peened", if that's the word.
I shall look for any other markings as I clean her up, nothing was noticeable when I disassembled it, but you never know, it was pretty caked up.
Thanks Mike.
Col
Cool find, Col.
I've never seen the rivot through until Mike posted his "F", but I do have a Sea Ford that is definitely not a special (to my eye- No JK markings, black plates, 4 post, etc) or early Sea Ford and it is marked "001" on the eccentric lever. There are no other parts with the stamping. Unfortunately, nearly all the finish has been removed and made it a shiny brass colored reel and it has been fished.
Neat find!
Keep at it bud,
Dom
Just an update,
Found another marking on the back side of the head plate lever, doesn't appear to have any other parts stamped.
However, the reel seat, after a vinegar bath along with the other parts, appears to me to be chrome plated !!.
The spool and posts seem to be standard German sliver........
Col
Very cool!
Col, PM me your email address and I'll send you a photo of my lever... same as yours. Sure would like to know what that means?
Best,
Dom
Hi Dom, Will do......
It's getting more interesting as I take the parts out of the vinegar soak.
Unless someone tried to do some alterations to the Koph clutch style that was used, I seriously think I could have made a better job of making it.
The post has been hammered- "peened on to the bridge plate, similar to the rivot on the tail plate, someone has tried to elongate the central hole where the spool gear goes through and made a terrible job of it. I would have thought these would have been made, by a press, punching out the shape of the bridge plate, then the edges may have been cleaned up afterwards before assembly, well this one looks to be honestly hand fashioned to fit, with a difference compared to the later 33 Seaford, with a single tight fitting hole for the eccentric.
I'll clean it all up, and take some photo's of the reel along with another later Koph type bridge assembly. It has actually been damaging the head plate because of the butchers job of elongating the gear hole.
interesting
Col
Hmmm, I would think Otto could do better. Interesting indeed.
Looking forward to some more pics of the broken down reel when cleaned up.
Thanks and feel free to post the pic I send.
Best
Dom
QuoteFound another marking on the back side of the head plate lever, doesn't appear to have any other parts stamped.
However, the reel seat, after a vinegar bath along with the other parts, appears to me to be chrome plated !!.
The spool and posts seem to be standard German sliver........
The free spool lever is important. It is the tell that explains the stampings. When parts are marked like that it means those parts belong together. Usually those kinds of markings are done so you would have to take the reel apart to see them. They are assembly marks, so the assembler can keep fitted parts with the proper reel.
The stand being chrome plated probably means it was taken from another reel, either when it was made or later on. The Sea Ford would be Nickel plated on brass. Really doubt if they used German Silver on a Sea Ford.
Quotet's getting more interesting as I take the parts out of the vinegar soak.
Unless someone tried to do some alterations to the Koph clutch style that was used, I seriously think I could have made a better job of making it.
The post has been hammered- "peened on to the bridge plate, similar to the rivot on the tail plate, someone has tried to elongate the central hole where the spool gear goes through and made a terrible job of it. I would have thought these would have been made, by a press, punching out the shape of the bridge plate, then the edges may have been cleaned up afterwards before assembly, well this one looks to be honestly hand fashioned to fit, with a difference compared to the later 33 Seaford, with a single tight fitting hole for the eccentric.
I'll clean it all up, and take some photo's of the reel along with another later Koph type bridge assembly. It has actually been damaging the head plate because of the butchers job of elongating the gear hole.
interesting
Interested in seeing the inside of the head plate. Here is the bridge that should be in your head plate. What you are explaining does not sound like it was done by Penn.
Hi Mike, My bad, Yes, nickle plated.
Below is the head plate of a later waffle type Seaford and next to it is the bridge out of the new Domed Seaford.
Half of it looks professionally done, but you can see the butchering in the large hole and the single hole at the top.
Did they make and design these in house themselves ? I believe it was only used in the 33 Seaford and the Bayside reels, before being dropped in the 34 models ( as per a book I read ;D ), someone I suppose had to make the first one, but not this bad surely !.
Looking at it closely, the post end, looks as though it has been punched out nicely, it's the other half which looks as though it's been hacked and fashioned by a 10 year old, and the Post end, has been "peened" with a hammer.........
My guess is that the bridge plate is original, but something has gone wrong with the reel and someone has gone in an hacked it about, badly.
Col
Mike,
Can you tell us more about the assembler's marks?
Did they mark reels with anything other than "001"?
Why would they only mark one part or two parts if they wanted to keep a reel "whole"?
What do they actually mean?
Why not just use the number "1" instead of "001" ...are there other numbers like "002" or "099"?
Thanks in advance... I need more!
Dom
Col...you are building a fantastic collection...great find! 8)
Hope you guys don't mind, or maybe someone can pop this into the appropriate section to post.
I have an interesting parts comparison, to the domed Seaford, as per previous posts.
Now for the life of me I can't seemed to post a photo and narrate underneath, then do the same again in the same post, so they will have to be separate.
Anyhows, for those that are interested.
Below is a comparison of the two bridge plates.
The actual size is perfectly the same, but it has differences.
The first one is the central gear hole, the later Seaford is a much bigger hole, the top is different in regards to the domed specimen, has a single hole, where as the later one has two, to allow the eccentric to slip in, then push up and stay in position.
The later plate, has a single hole and a elongated hole, to allow the bridge plate to stay fixed on one side and pivot on the other, to go out of gear.
The domed Seaford, has two elongated holes/slots, different sizes as well.
note, I cleaned up the edges this morning from the mess that was left around the gear hole.
plus the later bridge, I couldn't for the life of me remove the main gear, so I left it.
...... This was the interesting part.
The differences in the bridge plates, would mean the eccentric from the later bridge, would not fit in the older domed Seaford.
So, this is what they did, notice the spring hole in a slightly different postion as well.
The top of the eccentric has been lathed down, you might be able to pick up the machine marks on the face of it,( sorry, photo's aren't very clear).
Which has left a ridge for the bridge plate to sit on. the second photo shows the thickness difference and also the post ? has no lip on it like the later Seaford, hence no need for 2 holes as per the later one.
I think the hole position difference between the two, is that the whole bridge plate slides down, rather than one side on the later one, dunno !.
Will have to look closely when I reassemble.
And lastly, if I haven't bored you to tears, the eccentric lever, which is slightly off set compared, and does seem to have a longer " return knob" for want of a better term and no coin edge, compared to the later.
The handles are the same, except a narrower counter weight than the later ( same as my domed SeaHawke) and of course the stamp markings.
So there you have it, looking forward to cleaning the rest up, assembling and maybe it may function a tad better than before, with dags on the bridge actually digging in to the head plate and making it really sticky.
I know someone has tried to modify or fix something inside, ie trying to file the gear hole in the bridge bigger, but someone doing that quality of work, certainly couldn't machine the face of the eccentric down as it has been. It seems in everyway, the same Bridge plate as the later, maybe this was the first attempt at making this type of bridge plate work in the reel, hence the different hole slots........... interesting any hows....
Col
............And, before I out way my welcome, all cleaned up and re assembled......
first one is a shot of the bridge plate installed, notice bridge plate screws cut off to size.
the reel, apart from the gouging on both plates, came up really good. It has great free spool, loud clicker, everything works brilliantly as it should be.
The spring thru the eccentric, when disengaged, goes under the bridge plate, but that milled face surface with that ridge left around the post, gives clearance underneath for the spring end to pass, although it was gouging the underside of the bridge plate a tad, so a wee file down fixed that.
Guess we wait until another emerges from the dark and compare. It will still add to my Seaford collection, even if it is just for the dome button that I purchased it for...............
Dom, will try and post up your photo after work........
Col
photo's do not show up the heavy scratching over both tail and head plates......
Here is a photo Dom wanted put up.
......And Dom's second photo.......
Quote from: milne on November 26, 2019, 03:11:06 AM
photo's do not show up the heavy scratching over both tail and head plates......
Maybe the plates had oxidized and had that chalky look so someone decided to sand them.
-steve
Hi Steve, The seller described the reel as, it looks like cracks in both plates, but he said they weren't on closer inspection.
It almost looks like it has small cracks, radiating from the centre of the reel outwards, diagonally, then someone has tried with a heavy sand paper in the opposite direction to try and sand them out. I don't think they are cracks, they certainly don't go right thru, I applied a bit of pressure when I had it stripped down, there's no movement and if anything they are superficial if at all, I believe someone has put diagonal cuts with a knife over both plates then as mentioned with a heavy sand paper or another sharp object, tried to sand them out, but didn't do a very good job.
A shame really, but it's all back together, working as it should and from a few steps back, hardly noticeable on the shelf ;D
Col
QuoteDefinitely an ugly duckling second gen 4/0, but a unique set of features I suppose.
Unplated drilled spool, 400yd stand, external drags, wooden plain counterweight handle, hex clicker.
Posted on: Today at 03:53:42 AM
Posted by: milne
All these odd parts are from the same era. The handle, clicker button, spool is even an older design and 400 yard stand are all late 1940 parts. The external drags are first gen. When the reel turned to second gen, the external drags were gone. So here you have a reel that brings up many questions.
1----What is the length of the handle blade? A 4/0 should have a 4.5 inch handle blade. The wood knob and one piece plain chrome plated counter weight is pure late 1940's but that style is not usually seen on a 4/0. Maybe I am wrong on that, but I am more accustomed to seeing that style handle on a Delmar. That is weird.
2----The drilled spool is first gen design. Whenever I see a spool without plating, I immediately think, "engineering department part". A un-plated spool should never leave the factory. That does not mean it does not happen. I have a complete, perfectly functioning International 130 with half the reel missing all its finishes and I bought it on eBay. In the case of this 4/0, I see a old style spool on a second gen reel. But the second gen status of the reel is in question too. IMHO
3----The 400 yard stamped stand fits for a 1940's 4/0. So that is OK. The 6/0 jumps to 500 and so on as we go up in size. The stand could be normal for the era of the reel.
4---External drags is the kink. Once the 4/0 made the transition from first to second gen the drag went from external to internal. Now, I am getting old and my memory fades sometimes. We may have discussed this before. Where is Ted? He is sharper than me and may be able to help here.
5----Hex clicker button is like some one did this just to make this reel different. Normally, the hex clicker button can bounce to other that Sea Gate models, but not the Senator line. How many of you have seen a hex clicker button on any Senator? This may be a transition experiment that should have been taken down and lost to the ages.
With all this speculation, I feel I need to go back in time. There is no one around anymore to answer these questions, so I welcome all critical thinking members to join in the speculation....
Mike, you're right, no one is around except Ted. He holds a lot of the Penn knowledge remaining out there. He also knows what parts interchange better than anyone else out there.
I'll do my best within my pay grade...
1) Handle blade length is a question, but I have seen the wood knob (like on my first gen 4/0) except it has a coin edge CB handle not the one piece plain counter weight. The palin one piece handle is typically not seen on 4/0's but it is on 3/0's.
2) The drilled spool is first gen for sure and I have a whole bunch of unplated spools. Some just the arbor and flanges are unplated and others completely unplated... at least for the 3/0-12/0. I call it second gen for sure due to the location of the lever and the drive train. My guess is a transition reel (like the 9/0 I have with the same situation) from first gen to second gen.
3) I believe the 3/0-6/0 to all be 400 yds. I have never seen a 4/0 with a yardage mark, but the first year 3/0 has a 400 yd mark. Does your first gen 4/0 in the box have the yardage mark?
4) see the end of #2
5) It is the first time I have seen a hex click on a Senator. I thought the hex click came out in '42 which is definitely an anomaly, as I believe the switch to second gen was made in '40. There always seems to be a monkey wrench with our beloved Penn reels.
I am not the interchangeable parts guy, so Ted can tell us better, but... If the stand of a 3/0 fits a 4/0, then the posts and spool should as well, and if the handle of a 3/0 fits the sleeve of a 4/0 I would say this has something to do with a combination of parts for both reels. If not, may be a transition anomaly??
Hope I didn't confuse anyone too much.
Dom (I'm no Ray or Brian that's for sure)
QuoteMike, you're right, no one is around except Ted. He holds a lot of the Penn knowledge remaining out there. He also knows what parts interchange better than anyone else out there.
I'll do my best within my pay grade...
1) Handle blade length is a question, but I have seen the wood knob (like on my first gen 4/0) except it has a coin edge CB handle not the one piece plain counter weight. The palin one piece handle is typically not seen on 4/0's but it is on 3/0's.
2) The drilled spool is first gen for sure and I have a whole bunch of unplated spools. Some just the arbor and flanges are unplated and others completely unplated... at least for the 3/0-12/0. I call it second gen for sure due to the location of the lever and the drive train. My guess is a transition reel (like the 9/0 I have with the same situation) from first gen to second gen.
3) I believe the 3/0-6/0 to all be 400 yds. I have never seen a 4/0 with a yardage mark, but the first year 3/0 has a 400 yd mark. Does your first gen 4/0 in the box have the yardage mark?
4) see the end of #2
5) It is the first time I have seen a hex click on a Senator. I thought the hex click came out in '42 which is definitely an anomaly, as I believe the switch to second gen was made in '40. There always seems to be a monkey wrench with our beloved Penn reels.
I am not the interchangeable parts guy, so Ted can tell us better, but... If the stand of a 3/0 fits a 4/0, then the posts and spool should as well, and if the handle of a 3/0 fits the sleeve of a 4/0 I would say this has something to do with a combination of parts for both reels. If not, may be a transition anomaly??
Hope I didn't confuse anyone too much.
Dom (I'm no Ray or Brian that's for sure)
In answer to all this, let me say I getting too old for this. How come things just cannot stay easy. Go figure???? ??? ??? ???
My responses to your responses------------------
1----I agree. I have never seen a solid counter weight on a 4/0. I am still confused but happy I am not alone in my confusion.
2----Agree again. It is a transition reel...
3----I have two first gen 4/0's. One is the first year model and the other is a later, but not too late a reel with a torpedo handle. They both have waffle style clicker buttons and both have un-marked stands. I feel seeing a 4/0 with a yardage mark is weird because the catalog gives many different yardage uses of a 4/0 depending on the line used. Of all the yardage uses the catalog gives, there is no 400 yard spec. This is weird again.
4---- See answer # 2, or maybe see Answer #3 or it might be answer #7. Oh wait, there is no #7.......... ??? ::) ??? ::)
5----Hex clicker buttons are always showing up on reels they do not belong on. According to my research, the proper place to see a hex clicker is on a 1941 Sea Gate. There are so many variations of that rule that I have started a hex clicker file to record where these buttons wind up. They definitely do not belong on any Senator.
Something tells me that 4/0 parts do not exchange with 3/0 parts, but I am afraid to say anything positive about fishing reels at this time in my life. Every time I say that is the way something really is, it isn't...........
Mike ( I am no Ray or Brian either. Ray was my right hand man and Brian took pleasure in making me nuts)
Yeah, it's a confused reel which in turn is confusing us. Definitely a transition reel and definitely odd.
Let's wait for Ted to chime in. I'm sure he can shine some light on it.
Best,
Dom
PS- Mike, don't go anywhere cause then we'll only have Ted... and he fishes too much to answer our questions quickly ;D
Very happy to have what we have for info locked into this site and orca.. it's a treasure trove!
Hi There,
I also have a second gen4/0. with a wooden handle, coin edge c/w, drilled, unplated spool, 400yds stamped on the foot and the same hex clicker as the one shown by Chris above. These have to be early 1941 reels - the first of the second gen after the transition in late 1940.
There are a whole lot of reels produced by Penn in 1941 that come with wooden handles and hex clickers - we normally think only of the 1941 seagates, but I have found this combination - wooden handle and hex clicker , on Delmar 285 and 286, 49's and 149's, LB60's, 65's.
In the Senator range I have found second gen Senators with wooden handles and drilled spools in 4/0's, 6/0's 9/0's 10/o's and 12/0's - all these have to be early 1941 reels.
I wish I could do photo's easily - its a struggle!!
Martin
Martin does your 4/0 also have external drags?
My question is,,,,? Maybe not this reel,,,but a jonhy cash Cadillac penn reel,,, :o
Quote from: Deepennz on November 27, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Hi There,
I also have a second gen4/0. with a wooden handle, coin edge c/w, drilled, unplated spool, 400yds stamped on the foot and the same hex clicker as the one shown by Chris above. These have to be early 1941 reels - the first of the second gen after the transition in late 1940.
There are a whole lot of reels produced by Penn in 1941 that come with wooden handles and hex clickers - we normally think only of the 1941 seagates, but I have found this combination - wooden handle and hex clicker , on Delmar 285 and 286, 49's and 149's, LB60's, 65's.
In the Senator range I have found second gen Senators with wooden handles and drilled spools in 4/0's, 6/0's 9/0's 10/o's and 12/0's - all these have to be early 1941 reels.
I wish I could do photo's easily - its a struggle!!
Martin
Martin nailed it......thanks for educating us !!
Martin, thanks for the info. I know what you mean about posting photos, not fun! I would live to see your collection if you ever figure it out. I know you collect more than Penn, but a look at your Penn stuff would be sweet!
I've never seen the hex on a Senator, but I have on all the other reels you mentioned along with the 155 and 200 including the wooden handles.
The yardage stamp on the 4/0 is all new to me, but if there are two that's likely how they came in '41. Does the 4/0 stand fit the 3/0? Maybe they had leftovers from the 3/0 and used them on some 4/0's??
The question on the handles isn't the grasp, it's the counterweight. I've never seen the plain counterweight seen on smaller reels on a 4/0. Yours has the coin edge you say, but this one is different. Length of handle would be helpful.
Ted, don't tell me you have nothing to add to this....
Best,
Dom
Were there LH 1st gen 4/0's made? Could this be a conversion to RH? My LH 2nd gen 4/0 has the crank axle at the 5 o'clock position (gen 1) from simply turning the reel 180 degrees when viewing down from the top. It seems the only real difference is the star drag thread is LH. Could swapping out the bridge to a RH thread for the star make this an after market conversion of a LH gen 1 to a righty?
Hard to tell from the picture but the handle blade length is 4.5" on the nose
Hi There,
I actually have 4 2nd gen, pre war 4/o's that show a logical progression of production from the 1st gen style.
Both my 1st gen 4/0's have internal drag access, drilled spools, waffle clicker, etc. It would seem that the change to external drags occurred at the same time as the switch to the 2nd gen style - all my pre war, 2nd gen 4/0's have external drags. this is consistent with the switch to external drags that the 9/0's went thru at the same time.
I have 2 other drilled spool, coin edge c/w 4/o's with no yardage stamping, no hex clickers. these have to be late '1941 reels, because the last one in the progression is a 1942 reel I purchased off Ted - that "chunky" '42 style handle, coin edge c/w and a post replacing the hole in the spool arbour. Thank you Ted!!!
This is a consistent pattern with the Senators - from the 4/o's to the 12/0's they all had drilled spools in 1941 and this was replaced in 1942 with the post. As with all things Penn the exception is the 3/0 - my '42 3/0 has a drilled spool and the yardage stamp - 400 yds - as do all the others I have seen. This stamped reel foot is identical to that found on my early 1941 hex clicker etc 4/0 and Chris's reel above.
Clear as mud!!
Dom - I only collect Penn - that keeps me poor enough!!
Cheers
Martin
Hi Chris,
I just checked - all my 4/0's have that same length handle - 41/2 inches - even my 3/0.
That plain counter weight seems to have been introduced in 1941 - its common on the seagates, Long beaches and Delmars. Perhaps a Penn employee rivetted one on a Senator handle because ....................... well - why not?
It's that hand made variability that I find quite appealing with Penn reels.
As you can see, I am well and truly down the rabbit hole!!
Martin
Quote from: Deepennz on November 27, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Hi There,
I wish I could do photo's easily - its a struggle!!
Martin
let me help you out Martin. First pic is courtesy of Brian Purrone. RIP
Pick the one you want and double click on it....Now your picture has been attached
Quote from: Deepennz on November 27, 2019, 09:17:34 PM
Hi Chris,
I just checked - all my 4/0's have that same length handle - 41/2 inches - even my 3/0.
That plain counter weight seems to have been introduced in 1941 - its common on the seagates, Long beaches and Delmars. Perhaps a Penn employee rivetted one on a Senator handle because ....................... well - why not?
It's that hand made variability that I find quite appealing with Penn reels.
As you can see, I am well and truly down the rabbit hole!!
Martin
Thanks Martin!
Hey Martin,
I must have you mixed up with one of the other "Big Boy" collectors out there.
Beautiful collection ya got there and I have a feeling there are many more.
Thanks for the info on the transition reels. I knew some things about them but now I have a better handle on things. Looks like it's you, Mike and Ted now.
Hold it down my patriarchal pals,
Dom
PS- I still think it's a 3/0 handle and stand. 8)
Great info Martin and thank you Ted for the Brian info. No one put it together like Brian did.
Hi There,
Thank you Ted for the help - very much appreciated. My problem, in my mid 60's, is a bit like Homer Simpsons - for me to remember new stuff, first I have to forget some old stuff to make room!! When I can get a quiet day I will take photos of my 4/0's and post them here.
Martin
Very cool!
Congratulations Chris!
Good for you. what's on the rest of the list. Those old reels are too rich for my blood. Dominick
Seems like the whole set now isn't it ?? Congrats ! Post all of them together that is a hard set to put together !! Good going Chris. John Taylor
Quote from: 54bullseye on December 10, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
Seems like the whole set now isn't it ?? Congrats ! Post all of them together that is a hard set to put together !! Good going Chris. John Taylor
Thanks John, Dominic and Chad!
Here you go.
Model F
Model K
Model K with star drag.
Granted, the two Ks came from Brian Purrone, and I cannot claim I searched hard for them.
Very nice !!! To bad they aren't first year Fin-Nor's LOL John
Wow! That's some trio...congrats Chris!
That's the three,,,,,,love it,,,, ;D ;D ;D
Come on Chris, that's just over the top and ostentatious.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on December 11, 2019, 04:56:25 AM
Come on Chris, that's just over the top and ostentatious.
-steve
Why is it ostentatious?
QuoteHere you go.
Model F
Model K
Model K with star drag.
Nirvana. You have arrived.
First year Fin-Nor is nice (Been there, done that, shipped that); but a full set of 1932 Penn prototypes can only be surpassed by the first Penn reel and there is only one of those found.................................<:O) I have yet to get a Model K without star. That's is because I am a barn find kind of guy and is it not too easy to find a barn with a Model K without star in it.....<:O(
Been a bit dry of late, but managed to get another pre war reel, a 300 yd Long beach.
Already had one, but is a early 40's model, so was happy to add a waffle clicker verson, but I was more excited about the handle.
I luv these handles with the oiler in the end and the colour pattern of the handle is a beauty !! well to me anyways...
She's not a pristine showroom model, but I've never minded a bit of Patina, may shine up a bit more after I clean her up...
Col
Col, My mama always said beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Mike, that reel is massive and looks like 2 guys can reel at once
Sure is a nice one Col. Im with you, I like those handle knobs
Love it,,,,, :D the reel has history and that's cool,,,,, 8)
Good one !
I hear ya Col...that swirl pear knob is the business! I can't believe we have twins, mine even has the same lovely patina. Congrats on that cool reel! 8)
Thanks Guys.
Mo, You've done it again ! that's is a beauty !!! with even more swirl on yours, Wow.
I have a serious weakness for these.......
Col
Nice one Col... nothing wrong with some doubles here and there... especially when they have those type of handles. I'm with you, a big fan of those handles.
Enjoy her,
Dom
QuoteBeen a bit dry of late, but managed to get another pre war reel, a 300 yd Long beach.
Already had one, but is a early 40's model, so was happy to add a waffle clicker verson, but I was more excited about the handle.
I luv these handles with the oiler in the end and the colour pattern of the handle is a beauty !! well to me anyways...
She's not a pristine showroom model, but I've never minded a bit of Patina, may shine up a bit more after I clean her up...
To me, that is a high point of late 1930's design for the Long Beach. I feel that reel is a 1938 model. Those resin handles were sort of used between the old wood / hard rubber knob and the torpedo styles. I suspect Penn was searching for something permanent. I like to speculate about it anyways. Does that reel have the bridge oil port?
Quote from: 1badf350 on December 11, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: oc1 on December 11, 2019, 04:56:25 AM
Come on Chris, that's just over the top and ostentatious.
-steve
Why is it ostentatious?
It's just not right for one fella to have 3 of them :D
In no way do I have the knowledge that you & others have here on old Penns. However I do know what you have is a level of Nirvana not achieved by many. Congrats !!
Hi Mike, Please excuse my ignorance, re Bridge oil port,,, I think so yes !.
Was just about to tear her down for a good cleaning and greasing. Below is a better picture of the head plate, showing all oil ports.
One of my other favourites as well is a this green one from a 180 I am trying to fix up, there's something about them for me, I have a weakness for them I'm afraid ........
Col
Those are some sweet knobs, and not easy to find either.
I never stop searching for those oddball "non typical" Penn knobs.
One day my search led me to this late 40's long beach 68. No funny stuff, it's factory made 100%. I'd tell you how it came about, but it's a loooong story ;D
Hi Ted,
That is crazy !!! I luv it.
I wonder what that arm was off, I'm not familiar with all the models, but wow, great find, very unusual.
I too, sort of like the "unusual" and of course the resin bell handles....
I just cleaned up the 65 and sat there with my later one, with a torpedo handle and thought to myself, the rings and reel seat are a straight swap, spools are different, one with a hole the other with a post, but I could make the older one way nicer with a part swap. BUT, I decided to keep them both original, I kinda don't mind all over patina, it suits the reel, I don't sell any of my reels, so I left it be. It shines a wee bit more now, but not that much difference. It has about 20 plus seconds of free spool, how good is that for a pretty well used 38 ish reel, I'm impressed anyhow's.
But Ted, that handle rocks, absolutely luv it, great score.....
Col
Col
That's a pretty, neat handle , Ted !! Tell us the "tale", even if it IS a looong one !
Saw this custom rig in a shop the other day, thought you sharker guys would enjoy it. Didn't see exactly, but looks like 16/0 or even 20/0, but it's a big one. Sorry for the shaky photo.
Quote from: Crow on December 14, 2019, 12:23:32 PM
That's a pretty, neat handle , Ted !! Tell us the "tale", even if it IS a looong one !
The oddball handle came from eBay many moons ago. The seller said his dad was employed at the Penn plant and made 3 of these for himself. He said it was early 1950's time frame. They ended up in a junk drawer and never got used. The other 2 are deep in a Penn collection. The blade is almost 8" long. It's definitely an oddball
Here is a shot with a couple items for size comparison
That is cool,,,,, 8) and the history,,,,,, ;D
That backlash is a Penn factory product? Never heard of or seen anything like that made by Penn.
What show were you at, Mike?
Thanks for the show and tell,
Dom
PS- the guy's name with the long arm handle was John, but I don't remember his last name.
Here is one of mine out of the bins -- on an old 145, Mike --
It is quite involved -- and works very well when casting.
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=21590.0
Here is the designer, inventor, and original holder of the Patent from 1952 --
John Pasanen . /www.google.com/patents/US2607547
Best,
Fred
We've discussed those anti-backlash devices here before. I do not think Penn invented the concept.
-steve
QuoteWe've discussed those anti-backlash devices here before. I do not think Penn invented the concept.
No doubt Penn did not invent the concept. Penn is experimenting with the concept, which originates from smaller fresh water reels.
QuoteHere is one of mine out of the bins -- on an old 145, Mike --
That is a fine one. We have to talk about whether you might want to part with that.
QuoteThat backlash is a Penn factory product? Never heard of or seen anything like that made by Penn.
What show were you at, Mike?
Thanks for the show and tell,
Dom
PS- the guy's name with the long arm handle was John, but I don't remember his last name.
I believe that is a Penn experimental. There are a few of them around and the quality is very high. I tried the one at the show and it worked perfectly. The show was at the Firemen's Pavilion in Lindenhurst. They have been having that show out there every year for many years. I have going to it for at least 10 years, maybe more.. Used to be in the American Legion Hall or something like that, but that building was knocked down. I did a posting about it on my Facebook page. It used to be a much better show. Many of the old time collectors are gone now. More like a Flea Market but there are still some collectors that show up and I always have some old friends that sell at this show. I try to make it every year. Check out my Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009015633989
You have to scroll down to November 30 to find the posting.
John? Ok that is not the man I was thinking about.
Thanks for the heads up on the flea market, Mike. I'll check it out.
Why would Penn put an anti backlash on one of their reels? All ya need to do is thumb the spool or tighten the side bearing/bushing.
Best,
Dom
Quote from: broadway on December 16, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
Why would Penn put an anti backlash on one of their reels? All ya need to do is thumb the spool or tighten the side bearing/bushing.
You need variable braking. The cast control knob on the side plate applies a fixed amount of pressure. Good casters (I am not one) vary their thumb pressure at different points during the cast. The anti-backlash gizmo also varies it's pressure on the spool at different points during the cast.
-steve
QuoteThanks for the heads up on the flea market, Mike. I'll check it out.
Why would Penn put an anti backlash on one of their reels? All ya need to do is thumb the spool or tighten the side bearing/bushing.
Best,
Dom
I do not like tightening the spool bearing for anti-backlash. especially on a Squidder. I have seen more than one head plate broken out from over-tightening the tail plate spool bearing., Having an educated thumb is the best anti-backlash device.
Penn and Ocean City have played with anti-backlash devices for many years. They use magnets and centrifugal sliding weights on some of their reels. Ocean City used to have a model called a Far-Kast reel. It was a very elaborate add on and OC offered it on about six different models in the late 1930's. Great collectibles, BTW.
I have a one off Penn Far Kast reels manufactured using a Surfmaster 250. This is a super rare piece. Only one I have seen. Made as a prototype and never manufactured. Should have been destroyed in the factory, but somehow it escaped. See the last picture. If you could see inside the box, it is dated. The papers and pencil were also in the box. A real experimental.
That's a cool set! I love the Penn pen!
Andrew
Thanks for posting that Penn-chron. Love those old adds. Interesting how they were so littoral with their claims.
"Back-lash and Tangled Lines are "total"strangers to these new Far Kast Bay City reels". I'll bet I could backlash onea those without goin way outta my way. That device must cut down on casting distance...
I recently got a Zebco Cardinal 6 from Todd(Hardy Boy) with a tag on the rotor; "SALTWATER PROFF" and my size 4 Zeb. Card. says;" TOTALY CORROSION RESISTANT"on the rotor, which is a little more believable with the word;"resistant",but probably not that accurate.
QuoteThanks for posting that Penn-chron. Love those old adds. Interesting how they were so littoral with their claims.
"Back-lash and Tangled Lines are "total"strangers to these new Far Kast Bay City reels". I'll bet I could backlash onea those without goin way outta my way. That device must cut down on casting distance...
I recently got a Zebco Cardinal 6 from Todd(Hardy Boy) with a tag on the rotor; "SALTWATER PROFF" and my size 4 Zeb. Card. says;" TOTALY CORROSION RESISTANT"on the rotor, which is a little more believable with the word;"resistant",but probably that accurate.
Advertising claims are always a "Pie in the Sky" kind of truth. The Far Kast reels were only marketed a few years. Ocean City must have lost a fortune trying to sell them. Penn was smart enough to not take them past the design phase.
A friend mark,,,got this seaford and wanted some info on it,,,,,, ;D
Hey Benni, 3 post and round spool bushing means it's 1933. The handle blade looks out of place. Almost looks like ocean city style
Is that handle soldered onto the sleeve?
-steve
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 13, 2020, 06:03:23 AM
Hey Benni, 3 post and round spool bushing means it's 1933. The handle blade looks out of place. Almost looks like ocean city style
1933 thanks and yes the handle is out of place
Quote from: oc1 on January 13, 2020, 06:06:46 AM
Is that handle soldered onto the sleeve?
-steve
i think and i hope a little heat can fix it,,,,,, ;D
Thanks very much for the info ,,,,, :D Mark's very happy he's not going to fix the handle,,,, ;) just curious will the parts from a Atlantic work,,,,,, ;D
That's a keeper, Nice find...
Col
That's in great shape ! I see no signs of corrosion, or boat rash.....somebody took care of that one !
Nice find Sharkb8!
QuoteThis came in the mail yesterday a penn 190 look in good condition, I will just clean the outside ,it has a nice picture side plate too.
Nice Model 190. The handle has been upgraded to a Model 180 handle. The original post war 190's had a wood knob handle.
Hi Sharkb8,
Is there any yardage stamping on the reel foot? - it should have '100yds' stamped on it - if so it is a lovely example of the 1941/42 model190.
Well Done!!
Martin
Yes Martin it does have 100yds stamped on the reel foot thanks everyone for the info
Kim
Ok this came in the mail today there was 2 mixed match two tone reels on ebay I got 1,,,,, ;) but I just needed the tail plate for the other,,,,, ;D
I wonder if those are some of those "rental reels" ?
Those look like old reels that have had repairs with plates from other reels. Do not think they were built that way.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 31, 2020, 03:31:18 AM
Those look like old reels that have had repairs with plates from other reels. Do not think they were built that way.
Yes I think you're right about the first 1,,,,,, ;) the second one somebody Frankenstein 2 reels and put them on ebay,,,,,1 sold the one didn't the first time around,,,hehe,,,,,, ;D
Nice!
Very few of these around.
That is the first I have seen, Cool reel Chris !! When were they made with external drags ? John Taylor
Thanks guys. Im not sure John. Someone else will know.
Very nice reel Chris! I'm wondering on how the drags are set up,
the spacer sleeve appears to be much taller.
You're accumulating some cool stuff, might have to come over and enjoy your personal museum.
Maybe I could get there by boat, instead of driving all the way around. 🙂
Thanks for sharing bud!
Sal
John,
This is where Ted thrives, but if I'm not mistaken it's a 1940 reel. I believe it was part of the 9/0's transition from gen 1 to gen 2. They aren't rare but pretty tough to find.
Best,
Dom
Good find, Chris !
Hex head spool bushing and new style logo suggests this 1st gen 9/0 is just prior to transition to the gen2 configuration
Maybe you could open it up and see what gear set you have and drag configuration.
Someone posted a mottled Long Beach on the facebooks yesterday...reminded me of this sweet wartime mottled LB 60 that I assembled from parts given to me by Ted..."just as I found them." 8)
Gorgeous reel Mike!
Ted is definitely the Long Beach guy!
Found these on a local digital classified's, a run of the mill Jigmaster 500 and a 505HS, for $30. Haven't opened them yet, but will probably swap the better chrome from the 500 to the 505. I was able to save a 1/2 spool of braid from the 500, but whoever spooled it didn't know anything about winding on under tension, what a mess.
You're a pirate, Bill, you'll have to arrest yourself :)
I love the 505HS- very under sung reel. I think I have a spare al spool for 505HS; Perfect shape, I'll send it out if you want it.
QuoteThis one came yesterday. First gen 9/0 with external drag access
There are less of the external drag first gen 9/0's. They were changed in 1940 and stayed that way until the change over to second generation. If you go by the catalogs, they had external drags from 1940 to 1948, when the first gen reels changed, but the actual production numbers of first gen reels are vague. The catalog probably does not reflect the exact change over.
No doubt, the hot selling times for the first gen 9/0's was the 1930's, hence more internal drag first gen reels exist than the external drag models. I do not consider them rare but I just looked at mine. I have four first gen 9/0's and they are all internal drags.
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 01, 2020, 01:48:24 AM
This one came yesterday. First gen 9/0 with external drag access
Chris, I checked my Penn reels out after seeing your post. My 3 early first gen 9/0 all have the internal type drag, with my later 1st gen 9/0 and 6/0 having the external drag set up like the reel you pictured. Just as interesting is in my " no parts numbers" line-up, my 9/0, 6/0, 4/0 and 2/0 also have the same external set-up. So I would say that Dom and others are right in saying it was a transitional drag style that came along about the time Penn went from the 1st to 2nd gen builds. I had not noticed that before, and have had these reels for awhile. Doug
The wife has developed a healthy addiction to vintage Pyrex. I try to go on excursions with her as much as I can because you never know what you'll find. Today we went to a little town near Leesburg, VA. While the wife was digging through stacks of Pyrex I was telling the cashier how her obsession is cheaper than mine. She then gave me the keys to a trailer and said to dig around. Mostly old Bantams and a Mitchell 300. My eye was drawn to this little beauty at $34. Not a steal, but beautiful none the less.
That looks to be in reel good shape !!
$34 sounds like a steal to me! 8)
Were you in Lucketts?
Beautiful reel Nick. You have a good eye. $34 is a great price in mint condition. Did you outspend your wife ?? Lol
Ted
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 09, 2020, 10:35:00 PM
Were you in Lucketts?
I was in Lucketts. How'd you guess?
Ted, you guessed right too. Maybe that's why I support her Pyrex habit. It makes me feel better about buying reels, but it isn't as bad!
Wife drags me to the antique festival every year.
I also used to live in Ashburn VA which is not far from there.
Nice one, Nick!
I thought that reel looked familiar, so out came the old catalogs and catalog 25 is the first one to have a spinfisher, but they were introduced in catalog #24 with a small insert sitting loose inside the catalog. I believe that football knob is the first version. Here is the insert from catalog #24. That's your reel pictured with that same knob
Very cool reel,,,,,, 8) and you got it in Virginia,,,,,,, ;D
I like how the ad states "FOOL PROOF" as a feature, the first one no less. ;D ;D ;D
Does that mean it won't work in a fool's hands?
Ted, neat piece of ephemera right there.
I do believe RFP's reel is a newer version of the #700. The first version like the one you have on the paper is a "stationary" handle. It doe have the same knob though.
Best,
Dom
Beautiful Mike!
...and tough to find also.
Best
Dom
Quote.and tough to find also.
Oh yea, there are more people looking for them than there are pieces available. I know of about six of them found, some rough. A mint complete package with brochures, tags and box could easily bring $500 to $700.
Completely agree Mike!
Thank you all for the great info.
I'm extremely happy with this find, now I just need to get a good matching rod.
Nick
Nice snag!!
Looks like it already has the 24-66 handle you wanted too! 8)
Yup!
A welcome surprise for sure! Oil, grease, and drags is the plan, and I might try magging it.
Maybe a stainless sleeve and five stack drag eventually once I sell some stuff for extra play money.
It's already magged- it's a 210 Mag :)
I erred conservatively in your other post about handles, and had to check. I move handles around so often that's what's on my reels is rarely what is stock: the 210 and 309 are stock with 24-66. The 9 comes with 24-60, the 10 with 24-155. I think the 209 comes with 24-155 also. The Mag series was upgraded everywhere it counts in the same level wind package- the 210 has a Jigmaster drive train, so it's faster with a lot more drag than a 209, and magged. I use them for down-rigging because that 4.1 is nice for getting line after a knockdown.
When Ted has his Maxed Out blades in stock here soon, they are a great throw length for smaller Penn conventions- he says he measured them to fit between two hole settings on Penn stock power handles (I don't love putting stuff on the short hole, it's all cosmetic but I don't). I put the Maxed Out blades or Alan's SS jiggy blades on all my upgraded reels, with a bigger knob. I think you find the stock torpedo knob wimpy in terms of cranking down on something if you upgrade everything else- at least to go the newer style paddle handle 24-66. JMO.
I don't see any markings stating mag tuned like on the 10, but it's coming apart for a good clean and refresh tonight anyway so we'll see. Good info on the handle, either way I like it better than the handle size the 209 and 10 use, it's a bit more comfortable to hang onto. If I ever upgrade this handle when I do the sleeve/drags I can always swap it to the 10 :)
It's got a freshwater stand that I'll be swapping out for the salt stand (and clamp/bolt kit) from one of my other 209 reels. I feel like none of my rods are nice enough for it, so it'll end up on an Ol' Whiskers 10" MH rod for now.
Quote from: thorhammer on February 11, 2020, 03:16:39 PM
It's already magged- it's a 210 Mag :)
I have never come across a magged 210 yet...I'm beginning to think that is a misprint on the Mystic site. :-\
Quote from: thorhammer on February 11, 2020, 03:16:39 PM
It's already magged- it's a 210 Mag :)
John, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think ALL 210's are magged?
Anthony's has an aluminum spool, so it very well could be, but I have one with a chrome or stainless spool that is not.
Quote from: Lingwendil on February 11, 2020, 03:49:42 AM
Yup!
A welcome surprise for sure! Oil, grease, and drags is the plan, and I might try magging it.
Maybe a stainless sleeve and five stack drag eventually once I sell some stuff for extra play money.
Hey Anthony,
If you want a little bit more handle, I've got a brand new 245-320 you can have for it.
Let me know and I'll send it out to you NC.
I think I could try that out :)
Sending you a PM :)
Better check that- the 320 fits the 113H size gear sleeve, Type "B". The 310 fits the smaller Type "A" sleeve of the 210, Jiggy and a hundred other small Penn's. It's an "S" for stainless- not a 5.
Very happy with the switch to 24S-310's on my Mag 10's.
I found an old Squidder and I'm curious of it's age? I don't see a number on the seat, but there's some chrome loss where the number would be. There's a # on the handle, but not the star. It's my first black plate Squidder and mechanically is sound, so I'm pleased with the $20 price to
own such a cool little piece of Penn history!
Nice find Darin
1949-50ish
Quote from: thorhammer on February 11, 2020, 06:58:19 PM
Better check that- the 320 fits the 113H size gear sleeve, Type "B". The 310 fits the smaller Type "A" sleeve of the 210, Jiggy and a hundred other small Penn's. It's an "S" for stainless- not a 5.
Very happy with the switch to 24S-310's on my Mag 10's.
Ruh Roh!
I just got back from the post office :D
Anthony, if that handle doesn't fit, save it for another project. The clamp and hardware should be good though ;D
Thank you! Worst case I just have to buy a reel to go with it (oh darn ;D )
That handle would be perfect on a pro gear 545. It's jigmaster 501 with 113h guts
Quote from: thorhammer on February 11, 2020, 03:16:39 PM
It's already magged- it's a 210 Mag :)
No magnet here :)
(https://ibb.co/Q89Z8HB)
Also, started a thread on this reel, for anyone interested-
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=30408.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=30408.0)
Checked Mystic parts, the 10 has the mag. control, not the 210.
I picked up some reels, yesterday, at the "campground garage sale".......the Gal wanted $4 a piece, for them....except for the Shimano....that was $5. 209's aren't my favorite Penn reels, but I was happy to get the "fresh water" seat that was on one of them. Both spinners were bound up with line, under the spools, and all 3 of the Penns are drier than a fart, but are pretty "clean", as far as corrosion goes. I *should* have gotten the other two reels she had in the box, too....a pair of Garcia 5000's.....but decided to pass.......lots of boat rash on them, although the red one would have looked pretty good in my colleection :-\. Maybe I'll see if the gal still has them, and make her a "counter offer" :-\ ::).
Anyway, $21 bucks for these 5 seemed a pretty good buy :-\. I'd been wanting a "bigger" bait feeder reel , and now I have one :D
Hope you checked the rear view mirror on the way home because you stole them....Bill
after all these years, i still have not found a good way to clean off all of that patina. i've finally give up and i just use the wire brush wheel on the bench grinder. it's a medium wire brush, all worn, and greasy to boot! it leaves a matte finish, tears off all of the corrosion, there is plenty of exposed brass but the surface has a thin layer of grease on it. there are just too many reels stacked up to take the time to polish them. it's not the best solution, but it is fast......
It's amazing how this bloke just keeps popping up ;D.
Slid my new no 14 catalogue out of it's plastic sleeve and there ya go.
A bit of nostalga here........
Col
I bet his right hand man, Mike C. Wrote that.
Ray, was the best of the best and the reason why we as a group are more knowledgeable than most.
Miss that guy,
Dom
PS- nice catalog.
That's awesome Col, I'd hang onto that for sure! 8)
Quote from: mo65 on February 17, 2020, 06:05:06 PM
That's awesome Col, I'd hang onto that for sure! 8)
Hi Mo, hope all's well mate.
Yes, i shall hang on to this, I mean, a penned note by a famous author, it may end up more valuable than the cataogue ;D.
Col
This just came in $16.07 ? It seems to work ok - the spoil,,,,,,,,,, ;D
I don't know much about this reel,,,,,, ??? Just that's it's not a repaint and it's a semi black,,,,,I could get a spool strip it and repaint all of it a perfect match,,,,, :D I just don't know what I got,,,,,,,,, ;D
The only thing I would do is find a green spool and put an emblem on it. ;D There are ways to identify which model it is by dimensions. They did make a few rare black ones. Someone showed one here once. Might have been Keith.
-steve
Looks like a Penn 710 to me, but I'm not an eggspert ;)
The black ones can be found, just not as common as the green.
710 is left hand crank, 711 is right hand
Quote from: oc1 on February 22, 2020, 05:06:18 AM
The only thing I would do is find a green spool and put an emblem on it. ;D There are ways to identify which model it is by dimensions. They did make a few rare black ones. Someone showed one here once. Might have been Keith.
-steve
Quote from: Maxed Out on February 22, 2020, 06:30:49 AM
Looks like a Penn 710 to me, but I'm not an eggspert ;)
The black ones can be found, just not as common as the green.
710 is left hand crank, 711 is right hand
Thanks very much my friends,,,,,,,, :D I did a little bit of research and silver 710 emblems,,,,some had black plastic spools,,, :) 1or2days of production 400 where made of the semi flat and 400 of the black texture and 1hr=10 to 100 where made in the 711,,,,,, ;) but this could just be folklore stories,,,,,,,,, ;D
Benni I read that on SOL too. Not sure where it originated or if its true. Here are the ones I have. The one in the middle is textured
I've seen them in boxes with silver metal corners. Im not sure. I figured if this was done, as rumor says, on the first day, the boxes would all be early white cornered boxes and they would all be the same.
I've seen about a dozen Penn "blackies" in the past three months and many many in the past ten years so I feel that number is fictitious as is the story being told.
They are tougher to find in nice condition but rare they are not. Definitely conversation starters though.
Best
Dom
I hadn't ordered a Penn conventional in quite a while, but ran across this 180 Baymaster with box and Penn tool. Shipping was higher than cost of the reel.
It's in excellent shape. Somewhere along the line a previous owner upgraded the handle.
This reel is very clean, no corrosion on the exterior, the frame posts, stand, and trim rings don't have a speck of tarnish. A few scruffs and scratches when you look hard enough.
The scenery on the non-handle side plate really stands out, water, lighthouse, and clouds.
Looking inside. This reel should be a piece of cake to service.
Gotta say this Baymaster 180 arrived in best shape than any of Penn I've ordered from ebay. Things might not be so fine after I look under the bridge plate, but I'd be surprised.
Anyone else out there fish the Baymaster 180?
I love those 180 Baymaster's, wish I could find a few more.
That one is a beauty Chester!
I gave one to my son to build (thread here: https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24184.0) and this is what we came up with.
First time out he caught a shark ;D
Very cool!
keep it up young man!🙂
Sal
Very nice find and very clean reel,,,,,, ;D
Hi Chester, that is a nice find, thanks for showing us, & Chad, that young man would be chuffed with the shark he caught, & I bet his dad is to, good work, he would want to goe fishing every day ay, cheers Don.
Quote from: festus on February 24, 2020, 10:56:42 PM
Anyone else out there fish the Baymaster 180?
Absolutely! They make great light catfishing reels. I put one together a few years ago specifically for musky. Just a few weeks ago I slapped a franken-180 together from spare parts.(shown below) Chad's son's 180 is one of my favs, and if I remember correctly Sal double-dogged one.
That handle is probably stock Chester if it's a #24-160. The 180 used that handle during the time frame of that box with the white metal staples. It was the old prewar and early 50s 180 that used the tiny #24-109 handle. Fantastic buy! 8)
Quote from: mo65 on February 25, 2020, 02:18:07 PM
Quote from: festus on February 24, 2020, 10:56:42 PM
Anyone else out there fish the Baymaster 180?
Absolutely! They make great light catfishing reels. I put one together a few years ago specifically for musky. Just a few weeks ago I slapped a franken-180 together from spare parts.(shown below) Chad's son's 180 is one of my favs, and if I remember correctly Sal double-dogged one.
That handle is probably stock Chester if it's a #24-160. The 180 used that handle during the time frame of that box with the white metal staples. It was the old prewar and early 50s 180 that used the tiny #24-109 handle. Fantastic buy! 8)
Where did you get that knob? So cool!
Quote from: Darin Crofton on February 25, 2020, 07:21:38 PM
Where did you get that knob? So cool!
That's a fleabay special Darin. The listing I bought from is long gone...2 for $9.50...but I saw they are selling for that singly now.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baitcasting-Power-Knob-Fishing-Knob-Handle-Replacement-Reel-Care-Accessories/223472836700?hash=item340804e05c:g:b~kAAOSw5LZcpM~~
I like that Mo, Went to the link, and wouldn't it rip your Nighty, doesn't ship to Aussie !!!..
I recon that's a perfect fit for those reels....
Col
Quote from: mo65 on February 25, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on February 25, 2020, 07:21:38 PM
Where did you get that knob? So cool!
That's a fleabay special Darin. The listing I bought from is long gone...2 for $9.50...but I saw they are selling for that singly now.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baitcasting-Power-Knob-Fishing-Knob-Handle-Replacement-Reel-Care-Accessories/223472836700?hash=item340804e05c:g:b~kAAOSw5LZcpM~~
Thanks Mo!
Quote from: milne on February 26, 2020, 06:04:38 AM
I like that Mo, Went to the link, and wouldn't it rip your Nighty, doesn't ship to Aussie!!!
Rip your nighty...LOL...more fantastic Aussie slang!! I screen shot the shipping info, what a joke. Says "ships worldwide" and then lists at least half the known world they won't ship to...cheapskate! I was just thinking guys, with all this coronavirus business going on, spray that package good with Lysol if you order one! :-\
Surprise surprise,,,,, :D wasn't advertised with a spool and this came in the mail today and there's good people even on ebay,,,,,, ;D ;D ;D
Good save Darin....best I can date is pre-war 2nd generation. Although the harness lugs look different. Maybe someone else recognizes them. Bill
You have a crusty 9/0 with no part #'s LOL
It has coin edge cb, but front harness lugs have "O" shape holes, so could be 1942, or 1946ish
They grey monofil w/chipped spool is mid 1950's. As are the grey sideplates piled adjacent to the reel. You hoarding stuff Darin ?? :D :D
Thanks Bill and Ted! LOL Ted, you always have an eye for the hidden gems ;D
Hi Darin, Mate, that came up really well, compared to how you found it, great job.
Col
Quote from: milne on February 29, 2020, 02:45:04 AM
Hi Darin, Mate, that came up really well, compared to how you found it, great job.
Col
Thanks buddy, it's very rewarding to see the transformation and knowing you preserved a piece of history!
Quote from: Darin Crofton on February 29, 2020, 12:15:22 AMFound an old 9/0 and decided to get it and clean it up. Can't find any numbers on it, wondering what I have here?
What's the clicker side look like?
Quote from: Benni3 on February 27, 2020, 05:58:04 PM
Surprise surprise,,,,, :D wasn't advertised with a spool and this came in the mail today and there's good people even on ebay,,,,,, ;D ;D ;D
Good deal!(seller) now you don't gotta worry about the right color/replacement spool.
Quote from: nelz on February 29, 2020, 06:08:05 AM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on February 29, 2020, 12:15:22 AMFound an old 9/0 and decided to get it and clean it up. Can't find any numbers on it, wondering what I have here?
What's the clicker side look like?
I grabbed a quick pic, but didn't have time to wipe the grease and fingerprints off before I left the house... ;D
Nice save Darin! 8)
Darin, that reel is a keeper... Jeff
Here are 3 more Penn conventionals in my collection.
These two 209 have been taken very good care of by someone. Both feel ready to fish, brakes, anti-reverse, and clicker are working. Both are very smooth turning. Actually the 209 with the green handle knob isn't the more modern black 209, it's just darker burgundy than the other.
And the Monofil No. 27 may have never been spooled with line or fished. If it has been previously used, it's most likely been in an ultrasonic cleaner.
BTW, what's the difference between the Monofil No. 27 and the Baymaster 180? They look identical other than handle knob.
Nice, clean looking examples, Festus !
Quote from: festus on February 29, 2020, 08:33:21 PM
BTW, what's the difference between the Monofil No. 27 and the Baymaster 180? They look identical other than handle knob.
Nice lookin' reels Chester. There really is no difference between the 180 Baymaster and the Monofil 27. Early on the handles were different, but later on even the handle was the same piece. The 180 had a longer life...but the 27 had prettier colors for a few years. About the only difference I can find is some 180s have a lighter freshwater stand. I've never understood that...what the heck is a "freshwater" stand? It's supposed to fit better on a "freshwater" rod. I've
never found a "saltwater" stand that wouldn't fit my rods. :-\
Ah yes, the monofil reels. A brilliant marketing ploy to sell a lot of reels advertised as tighter spool tolerance for mono down to 10# test, but in reality the monofils were just a rebranded beach master 155,160,180 and were rebadged as 25,26, &27. Both stayed in production for several years until the excitement of monofil line faded away, but beach masters lived on as they did prior to when monofil existed
Very nice looking reels,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: Benni3 on March 01, 2020, 04:20:41 AM
Very nice looking reels,,,,,,, ;D
Yup.
With the Monofil, what would be the best way to tell if it's really brand-new-never-lined or fished old stock, or has been ultrasonicly cleaned?
Chester, they look great nice & clean, cheers Don.
Ok, so here is a bit of an oddball
It is the smallest senator, 1he 1/0
The 1/0 shares the same spool with a jigmaster 501, but of course the jigmaster is stronger and faster, but what 1/0 lacks in speed and strength, it makes up for in sex appeal !!
This 1/0 has non typical stainless spool with polished flanges. Click on the pic for high definition
That's a nice one Ted ! I've been bidding on them on the bay (not that nice, though!), and they always seem to bring more than I care to spend......that tells me they are pretty *popular* !
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 01, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
The 1/0 shares the same spool with a jigmaster 501, but of course the jigmaster is stronger and faster, but what 1/0 lacks in speed and strength, it makes up for in sex appeal !!
I'm not sure about the Jigmaster being stronger than the 1/0...at least in stock forms. The 1/0 has more rings and no Take-Apart sideplate. That little 1/0 makes a
killer catfishing reel, the slower gearing is perfectly suited. Your 1/0 looks mint...what a beauty! 8)
Was there ever solid frames made for the 1/0 ?
Quote from: Rivverrat on March 02, 2020, 12:59:41 AM
Was there ever solid frames made for the 1/0 ?
Yes, I have a Tiburon frame on one of mine, the same one used for a Jiggy 501. There's other options, you could put a Newell 501 kit, Ted's 501 width seat and Pro Challenger bars, could use a 99 width Newell kit and spool, 500 width Tib or Accurate frame and spool etc etc etc . . .
Quote from: mo65 on March 02, 2020, 12:34:25 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 01, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
The 1/0 shares the same spool with a jigmaster 501, but of course the jigmaster is stronger and faster, but what 1/0 lacks in speed and strength, it makes up for in sex appeal !!
I'm not sure about the Jigmaster being stronger than the 1/0...at least in stock forms. The 1/0 has more rings and no Take-Apart sideplate. That little 1/0 makes a killer catfishing reel, the slower gearing is perfectly suited. Your 1/0 looks mint...what a beauty! 8)
Good point Mo!
If we're talking stock, I have to agree with you, but I think Ted was talking about the upgraded version.
A beefed up Jigmaster with all available goodies is much stronger than the 1/0.
Gorgeous reel Ted!
Sal
Very clean 1/0,,,,, :D like that spool,,,,, ;D
Nice 1/0. My favorite Senators are the smaller ones.
Blind us again Ted. Open the door of your Mcgee's closet. Plenty more will fall out.
This is my first Penn spinner. Bought it as a parts reel, advertised as hard to turn and bail didn't function. Took about 5 seconds after opening the box to analyze the bail situation--bent bail release arm. The bail arm might also need tweaked a fraction of an inch. I figured if the reel arrived with an intact crosswind block l'd be happy.
I could only find the 720Z schematic. But the schematic said all parts are interchangable except for the bail arm and bail wire.
Looks like I will probably get this reel back to fishing. But I see a slight potential problem I'll make a separate about post later.
You'll love that little sweetie Chester! 8)
Quote from: twotone on March 02, 2020, 06:26:05 AM
Kinda fond this one. This one is from England. I don't think it was made for the states . Please someone tell us about the history of this reel .
the gold tone and general reel resembles to shimano calcutta TE reels
Quote from: twotone on March 02, 2020, 06:26:05 AM
Kinda fond this one. This one is from England. I don't think it was made for the states . Please someone tell us about the history of this reel .
I ran into one of these a few years ago. Appeared to be a quality piece. Was not in the same great shape as yours & a quick look back then showed Penn had no parts so I passed. They were made by Jarvis Walker using the Penn name / label... Jeff
Quote from: twotone on March 02, 2020, 06:26:05 AM
Kinda fond this one. This one is from England. I don't think it was made for the states . Please someone tell us about the history of this reel .
That reel reminds me of the Penn 910-940 Levelmatic series from what I can see. Nice one.
Here's the first true Greenie I ever owned, a 712. Everything works, a/r, drag, click ratchet, and bail. But the handle is difficult to turn. It definitely needs serviced.
That's a beauty Chester! My 712z was really stiff too when I got it...excellent condition but very stiff. 8)
That reel is clean,,,,,,, :D great fine,,,,,,, ;D
That's a sweet find, Chris! :o
Thanks guys
Chris , fellas help me out so was this 149 a direct drive ? Hows this work with no star ?
Hi Chris,
Well done - a lovely reel!! It's interesting to see the spool doesn't have the ridge at the arbour/flange join.
Does it have a waffle or 'kiss' clicker?
Cheers
Martin
Quote from: Rivverrat on March 05, 2020, 03:33:11 AM
Chris , fellas help me out so was this 149 a direct drive ? Hows this work with no star ?
Knuckle buster with clutch.
-s
Steve, thanks for the answer. So if the handle slips from your hand with fish on it's possible to grab it ? Or not ? Clutch would work only one way ? Opposite the anti reverse ? Do I have this right ?
Quote from: Deepennz on March 05, 2020, 06:50:26 AM
Hi Chris,
Well done - a lovely reel!! It's interesting to see the spool doesn't have the ridge at the arbour/flange join.
Does it have a waffle or 'kiss' clicker?
Cheers
Martin
Hey Martin, good eye !! I have seen a few of these brown spool 49 without the ridge. Maybe the earliest version had no ridge against the flange.
Jeff, yes, if fish runs the handle will turn and better get your hand outta the way or suffer busted knuckles.Only other option is to flip in freespool when fish runs and thumb the spool. That way handle won't turn when line is peeling out.
With a fish on, you can let the spinning handle slap the palm of your hand to slow it down. You'll only let a knuckle buster actually bust your knuckles once. Then you learn.
An AR and drag is for wimps :)
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on March 06, 2020, 04:35:52 AM
..... You'll only let a knuckle buster actually bust your knuckles once. Then you learn.....
-steve
Yes, been there done that. Which I guess was my reason to make the effort to be for certain I understood. Otherwise this was the stuff of a "Dumb" reel. Of which I believe Penn made very few if any?
The early 149 was not really a knuckle buster. A true knuckle buster has no free spool feature. It is a winch. If it is going backwards, the handle is spinning with the spool. That is what the old leather or wood thumb stall was for. To slow the spool down enough to grab the handle without it breaking you finger. Here's a 1920's Pflueger Everlaster with a wood spool brake. This is a true knuckle buster. This reel is as big as a Penn 149. The wood block pressed by the thumb and dragged along the edges of the spool. It did not touch the line, unlike the leather thumb stall reels like the one in the collage. Those old leather pieces dragged on the line with thumb pressure.
In the 1920's, there was a hospital near the Avalon Tuna Club in California, because of all the First Aid that fisherman needed using these old reels. They used to call the clinic the "Tuna Hospital".
The collage is a 1903 Pflueger. Very rare knuckle buster reel with a hand stitched thumb stall. This is a museum piece.
These were not direct drive. They were multipliers of varying retrieve ratios.
Thanks for posting those pics. That Sea King has a simple but very appealing look to it... Jeff
Plenty of good Jigmasters out there in excellent shape that can be had for cheap.
This is my second Jigmaster. A couple years ago I got a 500S before I knew the difference. This one seems more solid. It's possible this one never had line spooled on it.
Very clean Chester...that's a nice find. 8)
I have way too many jigmasters. Great reel, no respect anymore from the general population.
Very nice reel,,,, :D great job,,,,,, ;D
Well, not quite as I found them, all have been cleaned up, most are in good to very good condition, with catalogues and accessories, even a blokes original fishing licence, from the early 40's...
The 4/0 Senator, is what started me off on the Penn journey, more so the special, but ya can't stop there. ;D
I wanted to get all the price points, I believe in 1950 the price on the box was $20 and was probably a fair trading box as well.
The two on the left are anniversary models, both with the top sticker/label, one with a front sticker,, note.. 2 different price points, $25 and $27.50.
I'll find the illusive 1950 $20 box one day,,,,
Col
One more Penn Greenie rescued from drilling and slotting, the 710. Brakes work, bail is functioning, but a little slow, anti-reverse is ok. Often the shipping on these old beaters is more than the actual cost of item.
Quote from: festus on March 16, 2020, 05:44:30 PM
One more Penn Greenie rescued from drilling and slotting.
And mark my words...that one will sell for double 10 years from now...and those drilled slotted things you won't be able to give away. :D Nice buy Chester!
yes badf350 stared a tread on sol "show yours collectible rods and reels" one guy drilled 20 or 30,,,,,,, :( great save my friend,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: festus on March 16, 2020, 10:59:24 PM
This one isn't in collectible shape, but after a good going through, it's definitely in fishable shape now.
It's in plenty good enough shape for me to collect it! ;)
Yup ! Me too ! Good job.
Quote from: festus on March 16, 2020, 05:44:30 PMBrakes work, bail is functioning, but a little slow, anti-reverse is ok.
Do you know you can use the gears from the 712 on this and make it 4:1?
Quote from: nelz on March 17, 2020, 12:51:35 AM
Quote from: festus on March 16, 2020, 05:44:30 PMBrakes work, bail is functioning, but a little slow, anti-reverse is ok.
Do you know you can use the gears from the 712 on this and make it 4:1?
Didn't know that, thanks for the info. I have a 712 also and might do some experimenting.
Found this beauty (Penn 85) in a box of reels that Ted sent me. ;D
It's pristine and I love the mottled coloration!
That is a beaut, Chad. Those 85 are underrated reels--they cast very well for a budget model.
Quote from: festus on March 17, 2020, 06:52:24 PM
That is a beaut, Chad. Those 85 are underrated reels--they cast very well for a budget model.
I agree. That 85 was a huge success for Penn for many years. 8)
That's a very nice 85,,,,,, ;D
It's a looker, that's for sure !
Looks like you made good use of a rainy day !!
I had to have some projects to tinker on while being cooped up at home for the next few weeks.
These two Penn's couldn't be more different I think.
The 714Z cleaned your really nice and is back to smooth as butter with the old gummed up grease cleaned out. (I did make a stupid mistake and break the retaining brass pieces on top of the spool shaft)
I have high hopes that the 12/0 will have new life breathed back into it.
At least I have something to do
Looks like a great way to pass the time!
I'm super jealous of that Yuengling! Can't get it here :(
Quote from: xjchad on March 19, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
Looks like a great way to pass the time!
I'm super jealous of that Yuengling! Can't get it here :(
I'll drink a few for you.
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on March 19, 2020, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: xjchad on March 19, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
Looks like a great way to pass the time!
I'm super jealous of that Yuengling! Can't get it here :(
I'll drink a few for you.
;D
So far...the only good I've seen come from this coronavirus crap...is the tinkering with reels y'all are doing while cooped up at the fort. Great work folks...keep it coming...I'm cooped up reading it all! 8)
Quote from: mo65 on March 19, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
So far...the only good I've seen come from this coronavirus crap...is the tinkering with reels y'all are doing while cooped up at the fort. Great work folks...keep it coming...I'm cooped up reading it all! 8)
I'm looking forward to what you'll be contributing too Mo!
Today I got this super clean Kingfisher trade reel. I think it is a 1933 SeaFord
Very nice, and hardly see signs of use. 87 years old and could never tell by looking
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 20, 2020, 11:41:58 PM
Very nice, and hardly see signs of use. 87 years old and could never tell by looking
Thanks Ted, indeed I couldn't believe it when I saw it.
Very nice,,,, :D great fine man,,,,,,, ;D
Great looking reel, Chris !
Picked up a couple of penn Kimberley today the pink reel is a Kimberley 4000 and holds 220m/12lb and is 5.5/1 the black reel is a Kimberley classic 7000 and holds 340m/20lb and is 5.51 gear ratio and looks very similar to the ABU 7000.
Kim
Wow tell me more about them. They do look like Abu reels
Me too, had never seen or heard of the Kimberly series!
They look like reels produced for another country.
Don't think they were produced for the US market but not positive.
Maybe they were produced to compete with abu or others alike.
Cool pieces,
Dom
All I know about them they were made by Jarvis walker under the Penn logo for a few years around 2005 I think for the Australia market, Kimberley being in western Australia and they made four models the 4000 5000 6000 and 7000
Kim
That makes sense.
There are a bunch of Penn reels that were made for international markets over the years.
Thanks for showing
Dom
Nice find on those Kimberleys...they don't come up often. 8)
Those are certainly Abu's that Penn made under license, the similarity is nearly identical. Very interesting, a first for me.
Makes me wonder if any of those parts are interchangable with similar Abus.
This came in today shipping was slow,,,,,, ::) but that's ok,,,, ;) the green knob is psychedelic,,,,,,,, :o I didn't have a 25 mono,,,,,,,, ;D
Looks to be in pretty good shape, Benni !
Them Monofils with the psychedelic green knobs are cool. A while back I scored a 27 with one.
This is the senator that "never was"
It is in between a 3/0 and a 2/0, or in modern day terms is 99 width. This reel actually has a 99 seat. Penn missed the boat on the small midsize senator. All the parts were already in their bins. 65 spool and posts, and 99 seat. A modern day seaboy 190 spool also fits. Thanks Mo for that info
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 24, 2020, 06:42:47 PM
This is the senator that "never was"
So true...and why they never made the black 3/0 that width is a mystery. Being that they changed the 112H to the "99" width demonstrates that the public liked it. Joe's(Decker) posting about making a hot rod 2/0 got me thinking about my "Senator that never was". Joe was the one who hooked me up with the Silverbeach 99 stand and the Seaboy 190 spool. This size reel has such a great feel. The only drawback is the speed, but with the 149 main/113H pinion it makes a very usable speed. 8)
Very cool looking reels,,,,, 8)
My first Mariner, a knuckle-bustin' beauty! ;D
Good find brother....! Bill
A friend of said he "heard" I work on fishing reels, of course I said "sometimes" 🤔 He then handed me this 500s and asked if I could do anything with this mess...said he bought it from H&M landing in San Diego.....so far it needs a gear sleeve, drags and a dog spring....Bill
what a mess- but you got this one Billy-boy! Is it his or yours now? The S is one of my favorite reels....
I seem to recall us making 12 of those gold cans empty :) Hope you and family are hanging in there!!!
I zoomed on those pics Bill...the chrome looks pretty good...most of the ugly appears to be dried on WD-40. I'm betting you'll amaze your friend. 8)
Yup John emptied quite a few 🍻🍻🍻. Mo you're correct lots of dried up WD-40, grease and fish parts....my buddy is fishing off Catalina Island right now on his 55' trawler/live aboard with two 114H's and a TLD25 I just serviced for him.....he needed them asap (isn't that always the case?!?) One of the 114's needs a drag stack and gear sleeve but fishable in its present state. This 500s will be going back to him on Monday......looking to trade some reel repair for a cruise on the trawler 😉😉. It looked like this reel was engraved with H&M but upon closer inspection has the initials "MGM" and "1967" on the side plate and "MGM" on the stand.....shame was thinking of trading him for a regular 500......Bill
Been able to put some work in (also finally able to get white vinegar)
The 12/0 cleaned up pretty good. The spool has quite a bit of corrosion. Was able to get rid of the green, but I'm left with lots of little spots.
The 500S was a nice little $18 reel, and cleaned up nicely.
i'll buy those all day for $18
Great deal!... Looks like a stainless steel spool, enjoy it!
Sal
I didn't realize it was stainless steel.
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The 501 stainless spool is more commonly found on a 1/0.
Most are brushed finish, and some are polished stainless
The 50th catalog shows many reels came with the deluxe stainless steel spools:
146M
150M
155M
160M
500SM
501M
...and there are more models as well...
I have a few 155 size...
As Ted has mentioned, some come with brushed finish Nd some with polished finish.
I would be interested in the brushed finish .
Sal
Sal, that is great to know. Thanks for sharing that.
Ted, I could use that spool as mirror to shave
Thank you Randy for the sweet spool!
I've been lusting after a Penn 2000, ever since Benni posted his several months back. This one showed up...pretty nice shape, with paperwork (no box), and I grabbed it....then, a few weeks ago, there was a Penn 1000, and, well, A guy kinda' should have BOTH, shouldn't he ? Probably paid more than I should have......reels + shipping came $63 .
Sorry about that my friend,,,,, ;) don't want to be the pusher,,,,, :D hehe,,,but they are very cool reels and way ahead of there time,,,, 8) after 40years,,,,,,,,,, ;D
Have you fished with one Bennie? Anybody Tried those 2000's?
Quote from: Swami805 on April 07, 2020, 05:18:25 AM
Have you fished with one Bennie? Anybody Tried those 2000's?
Nope,,,,,but that's not a bad idea,,,,,, ;D
I have a NIB one but I only fish salt water, I don't think it would hold up very well. Don't think I'm up to taking it apart, there's got to be a million little parts in there
I have one NIB. I have been told the internal complexity of this reel makes it very difficult to service. Good idea to not take it apart. Just keep it clean and oiled. They are an interesting piece of Penn history.
I think if Penn made the 1000 more robust and larger like a tranx 500 they might be on to something
Quote from: Swami805 on April 07, 2020, 04:43:19 PMI have a NIB one but I only fish salt water, I don't think it would hold up very well. Don't think I'm up to taking it apart, there's got to be a million little parts in there
Holy mackeral, I just looked at the schematic... there's more parts
just on the gear sleeve alone than on entire reels! :o ::)
Yeah, both of these are clean, and smooth....so I have NO plans to crack them open ! I am going to fish both of them (I fish every reel I have, at least once...that's what they are made for, after all!), but it will be in fresh water. The 2000 looks like just the ticket to throw buzz baits , in the lily pads, on the Mississippi backwaters...IF they ever let us put our boats in !! And the 1000 looks to be a good small mouth reel, here in the river....a leadhead with a twister tail, maybe ?!
Is that a two speed reel?
Yes, 2 speed.
Interested to see how you like fishing them
These reel were made in 1990.
Landed these two very clean reels over the weekend, a Surfmaster 200 and a 710Z. Both felt fishable as they arrived. Looks like the Surfmaster was serviced recently. The 710Z is very smooth and freewheeling, but needs a lube change. It has a golden colored grease that hasn't hardened but will be cleaned, nevertheless.
Traded a 209 for this no.9 on saturday, and just finished cleaning it up yesterday afternoon. It absolutely
reeked of cigarettes. I don't think I dig the handle, preferring the older torpedo style, but it's a nice little reel to help get me closer to the whole lineup of Penn levelwinds :)
(https://ibb.co/P6Jtwcr)
Started a thread for it too, nice wekkend project-
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=30901.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=30901.0)
Next up I want to source a 109, 309, and 350 :)
Thanks for the info on the 1000 / 2000 !
Looks like you did good, Festus !
I'm not a real fan of the "flat" knobs, either. At least as far as "looks", goes. When did they make the switch from the "torpedoes' ?
I'm going to try out my Penn 2000 on shallow rockfish if we ever get the chance to fish again.
Nothing to show........... Kinda,,,,, Yet,,,, Hopefully but....
Decided to pull the trigger on a couple of boxed beauties from the late 30's,,,, cost me a years salary ;D, only to get a wee note on my tracking to say,,
Due to corona virus, your item is on hold and we can not confirm a delivery date :o.
Gulp !!.
Now I may have used up all my pixie points with the postal service, I mean, my last postal effort, sending a package from Aussie to somewhere state side, with out putting the full address on the package, amazingly found it's correct destination, Mo's letter box ( phew), with much relief to be had on both sides
So fingers crossed, don't mind waiting, will loose a few kilo's in stress, Damn this tricked up flu thing......
Rant over, glad I got that off me chest, I mean, after all, health and safety is far more important than a mere mint first year 39 reel and box..............
;D
It's a bit akin to waiting for your divorce papers to finalise :D
Col
Col,
I look forward to seeing your finds... especially a mint '39 reel and it's buddies.
I keep having things cancelled off eBay as either they don't want to go to PO or it takes three times the amount of time to get our packages. Not an easy time for shipping to say the least.
Thanks
Dom
I've got my fingers crossed for you too Col. 8)
I've had a couple of those same notices, Col.......anything coming by "air', is liable to be held up....so many "needed" things (masks, etc.) are being shipped , that most "non-essential " things are just sitting !
Finally pulled the trigger on a Leveline 350 on the "Bay of E", so here's the pics from the listing for now. Spy that big handle? Someone had high hopes to hook into some lunkers with this reel 8)
(https://ibb.co/0Yg1j7L)
(https://ibb.co/GP69pHM)
(https://ibb.co/KVNSHzd)
(https://ibb.co/Vxvbzqp)
(https://ibb.co/BKBmDcC)
Can't wait to get my hands on it. Time to start looking for an aluminum or plastic spool :)
Those are pretty neat reels ! It's amazing how well that "level line" bar works !
Ever since seeing a guy fishing one on Youtube ("Fish your way" channel) I've been after one. After a bit of research I think they are unique and effective reels that are worth adding to the collection and fishing from time time with one.
Hey Ling, the spools are the same as Surfmaster 200 / Beachmaster 155. Mystic has the original plastic spool, but with a disclaimer that though NOS, they may well be brittle- which could also be the case with a plastic x-Master spool. However, if you wish to cast the thing every so often, i believe I have a plastic spool you can hold N/C, welcome to it, unless you want the NOS for display. If you are going to use mono I can put some dacron backing on it for you and you can just pop it in. PM me your address if so; I have parts to send to Randy and Chad in the next day or two and will get it out as well.
Paying forward from Joe and Harry, who sent me parts a couple years ago when I went through all my X-Masters.
John
Thank you! I'll send you a PM shortly!
Quote from: thorhammer on April 16, 2020, 05:01:50 PM
Mystic has the original plastic spool, but with a disclaimer that though NOS, they may well be brittle- which could also be the case with a plastic x-Master spool.
I saw that disclaimer too. I think those spools will be fine if backing is used under the mono and not wound on too tight. I use the plastic spools a lot. No problems yet. Spooling mono without backing at a high tension will pop it...like a lot of folks found out...even years ago when they were brand new. I noticed Mystic also still has the aluminum spool for the 350...that's great! 8)
I'd much rather put that L spool in a 200 but that's just me :)
I'm not hot on non-levelwind reels yet, maybe that will change this year...
Those 350's are a very high quality reel -- plus they work very well to level the line retrieval.
Folks who actually use these reels get spoiled pretty quickly.
The mechanism that controls the heavy spiral bar is comparable to what a clock-maker would build.
Plus, the quality and simplicity of the Spiral level-wind components is top rate.
There are about 8 parts to the LW assembly that are unique to this reel. I am fortunate to have these in inventory.
A very capable reel for capable anglers.
Best, Fred
350's don't cast very well because the spiral bar must sit fairly high. The line drags over the spiral bar during the cast and the retrieve. It's a good idea for trolling, deep drop and other non-casting situations.
If you get rid of all level winding mechanisms then doing it with your fingers will quickly become second nature.
-steve
Steve spoke what I was thinking but refrained from saying.
Had to google to make sure this 350 was the model I was thinking of. Me & this level wind bar never got along. I found at some point it would get nicks in it & quickly weaken my line with fish on. It was for me as Steve
states an undesirable casting reel with the bar in place.
16 years old on the river bank in a mid level fit of frustration. Using the best tools I had, my trustee KABAR & Leatherman I set forth twisting, pulling & prying that bar out. Liked that reel much better afterward... Jeff
You guys need to realize that this reel is best for dropping over the side of a pier or boat -- or maybe some trolling situations.
Not casting...
Every reel has its place -- and that is likely why it did not last. Folks kept trying to use it for casting -- because that is what they expected.
All I was saying -- is that it performs well, as designed, is a tough reel, and works if one uses it as designed.
Different strokes for different folks -- different reels for different deals. 😄😄😄
Best, Fred
Quote from: foakes on April 17, 2020, 10:39:26 PM
Different strokes for different folks -- different reels for different deals. 😄😄😄
Best, Fred
Good one Fred!
Well Fred what your saying makes perfect sense.
I wasn't smart enough at the time & few if any here in Kansas would have known its proper use... Jeff
Quote from: Rivverrat on April 18, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
Well Fred what your saying makes perfect sense.
I wasn't smart enough at the time & few if any here in Kansas would have known its proper use... Jeff
Jeff's childhood sounds much like mine...learning the hard way how to properly use saltwater equipment for heavy freshwater fishing. Penn made all those different models for a reason. If you need a non-levelwind reel...it's a pretty safe bet they made one to fit the bill...rather than hack on a levelwinder. I also understand the need for special mods at times. I did make a frankenreel once...or twice...or...:D
With that said...Some Hawaiians could cast a 6/0 better than some could cast a Squidder...just saying...
Sal
Newest additions to the quarantine collection.
Funny I got this 710 that had a quick PUM job done like Mo just discussed.
The 26 has a crack in the spool, but I'll go through and clean everything else up, maybe put new bars and seat on it so it looks pristine other than the crack
Nice find Nick! I don't see the crack in the 26 spool...it must be small. 8)
Nice ones !! So far, I don't have any of the "colored" reels...congrats !
Nice green 26! I've got my eye out for a colored reel at some point.
350 came today, and looks about as I expected. Broke her open to find very thick, dark grease, only two crusty leather drag washers, and the edges of the gear sleeve rounded off a bit making for a slightly wibbly wobbly handle. Looks like it'll clean up nicely, anybody got a 155 gear sleeve they don't need? Otherwise I'll grab one from wherever I end up grabbing drags.[EDIT: a member is sending me a sleeve!, thanks man!]
Not sure I'll be running the handle it came with on here, may keep it for my 210.
Looks great !
i've got all the parts you need and i sent a pm. thanks! alan
Still sweating on a couple of parcels arriving, been on hold for a fair while now and one was an absolute score and have not seen another...
Any how, got a wee package delivered, a 165 with an early box.
The 165 came out in 39, with a price of $5, which lasted thru to it saying it was discontinued in 46.
The reel has the raised corners on the arbour of the spool, which is correct for a pre war plastic spool.
Has the yardage on the reel seat and the coin edged on the counter weight and lever.
As to identifying what year it is, probably cant since the price remained the same, before being discontinued.
So I guess I can only say it's a 39-46, close enough for me, there's no variant, so that will stop my OCD kicking in and searching fruitlessly.
The box has a few separation issues, but is intact and in reasonable condition, the reel is quite minty....
Anyhows, just thought I'd share,, I say prayers every night with regard to my " pending" delivery.......Geez... ::)
Col
Nice one , Col !! Glad it showed up !
Fantastic score Col! 8)
Score, Col! Looks like a first year to me.
Happy she arrived and can't wait to see your others.
Enjoy her,
Dom
Hi Col,
Nice find!
There are differences between the different year models of those early Light Casting reels.
In !939/40 Penn used their largest counterweight on the blade of those reels and a large 'rugby ball' shaped grip. In 1941/42 they decreased the size of both the handle grip, and counterweight.
Those photo's don't reelly show the handle, but from what I can see, it would seem to be the large counterweight. The handle does not seem to be as big as that 1939 #155 I pointed out to you - so my best gestimate, from the photo's, is that it it an 1940 reel.
Later on in 1941/42 Penn must have run out of their supply of stands stamped with that "150yds No9" and just had a plain foot.
It's a pity someone took to that foot with a file - "hate it when that happens"!!
Cheers
Martin
Thanks Guys, yes, still sweating on a delivery, cross fingers.
Martin, Yes, I can see it now. I got out the 39 155 which you pointed out to me, to compare, your spot on there.
The 39 155, has the larger counterweight and the larger torpedo handle as you said.
The 165, has a smaller counterweight and a smaller torpedo handle, that is a great bit of knowledge there to help try and identify these early light casting reels. Someone, or yourself has probably mentioned this before, I'm not sure, my ability to retain info is slowly diminishing with age ;D.
Interestingly, I took a couple of shots to compare, the 39 155, the new 165 and one of my 170's.
Interestingly, the 170 has the larger counterweight and the smaller handle, probably using up parts as they did.
Thanks Martin, that narrows it down a bit now, would have been nice to be a first year model, but I can't be too dissapointed really, and yes, that dreaded file on the reel seat !!!! apart from that, the reel is in pretty good shape overall, so on to the shelf it goes...
cheers
Col
.. the first photo, is the 39 155 on the left, then the new 165 then the 170
second photo, isn't too clear, but the 165 smaller counterweight is bottom right.
Hi Col,
Thanks for the extra photo's. So your 165 has a 'torpedo' shaped handle and the smaller counterweight. It also still has the yardage stamp on the foot.
In late 1941/1942 the handle shape changed to a more "chunky" profile - straight sides and a triangular shaped point. By 1942 the stands had no yardage.
So, by a process of elimination that only leaves 1941!! So - your OCD can relax - you still have more models to find!!!
Have fun and take care out there.
Martin
Quote from: Deepennz on April 25, 2020, 06:52:04 AM
Hi Col,
Thanks for the extra photo's. So your 165 has a 'torpedo' shaped handle and the smaller counterweight. It also still has the yardage stamp on the foot.
In late 1941/1942 the handle shape changed to a more "chunky" profile - straight sides and a triangular shaped point. By 1942 the stands had no yardage.
So, by a process of elimination that only leaves 1941!! So - your OCD can relax - you still have more models to find!!!
Have fun and take care out there.
Martin
Thanks Martin,
Well explained thank You...
1941 sounds great to me....
All the best
Col
Well, you can tell with social distancing I'm stuck at home today ;D
Further to Martins advice on identifying the years of these light casting reels.
Here we have a 155 with a $7.oo price on the box. So I'll use " The Martin theory " and see how it goes....
The 155 was introduced in 1939, by 1946 the price had changed to $8.oo
SO, it should have the raised lip on the abor , check
Has the later chunky er type handle , check
It has no yardage stamped on the reel seat , check
Smaller coin edged counterweight , check
,
So due to production during the 43-45 period, probably not happening, this reel is probably a 1942-43 ??
And surprisingly, after not ever noticing this, folded up in a wee zip lock bag with the double pack of lube, was a California fishing licence, dated May 1944, cant believe I have never noticed that before, awesome !!!.
So, while not exactly accurate I suppose, The main points to look for, as Martin explained, is really a great way to date these light casting reels.
Don't ya just luv these things ;D
Col
Col
All you SUPER PENN guys amaze me right down to every little detail !! Nothing slips by unnoticed ! There are about 10 of you guys maybe more that just live Penn !!! Congratulations on the collection you are putting together must be something to see in person. Keep posting ( Penn Reels - just as you find them) is about my favorite part of Alan's board !! Same to the rest of you Penn guys I love seeing this stuff but I do miss seeing Brian and Ray's posts certainly lost a wealth of knowledge there but you guys are filling in the gap ! John Taylor
A California fishing license from 1944...what a bonus...too cool! 8)
Cool! I wouldn't a thought they'ed even require a sport fishing license way out West in '44. I think I recall someone mentioning that more plastic spools showed up on Penn's during the war years, as metal was needed for the war production effort.
Looking good, Col... looking real good ;)
Dom
PS- I'm with you, John... I miss those two cats, Big Time!
Thanks guys,
It's always a bonus when you pick up some history, like a licence from 44, luv it, it's history !.
John, I'm one of the 30 + blokes following in the foot steps of those you refer too, that actually know a bit about Penn, I've still got my training wheels on. ;D.
But I agree, this page "just as you find them" is my favourite as well.
The reason I stick with Penn, apart from my early fishing experience with them, is that there's always a new piece of information to add to the puzzle, PLUS, I know my OCD will kick in if I dare to venture out and start buying other brands,,,, I've seen some of your "awe inspiring" reels you have collected and it's truly a credit to yourself. I especially look forward to the reels you frequently put up...
Col
Another wee addition, Don't have any of the reels relating to this yet, just haven't seen to many others of these.
Lot's of assorted parts inside, from other reels as well, which I have pilfered and used...
just thought it was intereseting...
Col
That is pretty neat !
Nice find there Col, very interesting, cheers Don.
Cool, neat piece. I've got #6 and while they don't fetch a lot they are cool to hold some old (non numbered) parts that would otherwise get mixed in with numbered parts. That's what I use mine for at least.
Did you find Otto down under or what? Did you find Blackbeard's Penn treasure?
Keep at it,
Dom
Hi Col,
That's a very nice 155 - I reckon Joe Arnold bought that reel at the same time he bought that licence - then put them both in the back of his cupboard, and forgot about them!!
You seem to possess the attribute of serendipity - the ability to find wonderous things, without having to work very hard. Do you watch that program " Aussie Gold Hunters"? Perhaps you should give that a go!!
Looking forward to your next surprise.
Cheers
Martin
HaHaHa,
Na Martin, I guess I'm scouring ever where on line like most folk here, but I guess I've had some luck along the way. I think it comes down to
a bit of luck, being so far away from where they originate.....
In all honesty though Martin, a lot of it is down to the sharing of knowledge, from the likes of yourself and others on here,,, with out that I would not know what to look for, hence the 155 we talked about which is now in my collection.
It definitely brings out the OCD in ones self, it's almost like a drug, searching and searching for a particular reel type to add to a collection....
I go thru hot and cold patches, where I don't add a reel for months, but all of a sudden, you get a burst of activity...
I've actually deleted part of my last few posts, cause I don't want to jinx myself, but if the international postal system comes thru ( touch wood) I will think about going gold hunting !!! and take the serendipity label,,, but I'm seriously starting to have panic attacks about where it is.
I wont Jinx myself and let it out of the bag, But the neighbours are starting to think I have some sort of issue, I'm coming home to check the mail 1/2 a dozen time a day at the minute....
I think you could be right about the reel being bought with the licence and put away, as the reel is in pristine condition and the twin grease pack has not been used. Just a great piece of history and I'm proud to be it's custodian at the minute...
all the best
Col
Col, you have definitely upped your game in recent times. A lot of it is knowing what to look for, and sometimes that's not so simple. Very thankful Mike C has shared tons of his knowledge and then he brought along Ray and Brian(RIP to both) and the info flowed like Niagara falls, and continues to this day. What's really cool is getting an old Penn and opening up the "blue book" and finding a picture of it along with a description. Then you look at the reel in your hand and say "hey, that's my reel"
"Hey that's my reel"
Yep, that's the catch cry.
I totally agree, the people that have all contributed, plus, the fact that this place has a HUGE reference to search through and gather all that information that has been passed on.............. and I luv Mike C's books, there always very close by.....
Col
QuoteCol, you have definitely upped your game in recent times. A lot of it is knowing what to look for, and sometimes that's not so simple. Very thankful Mike C has shared tons of his knowledge and then he brought along Ray and Brian(RIP to both) and the info flowed like Niagara falls, and continues to this day. What's really cool is getting an old Penn and opening up the "blue book" and finding a picture of it along with a description. Then you look at the reel in your hand and say "hey, that's my reel"
Quote"Hey that's my reel"
Yep, that's the catch cry.
I totally agree, the people that have all contributed, plus, the fact that this place has a HUGE reference to search through and gather all that information that has been passed on.............. and I luv Mike C's books, there always very close by.....
Thank you guys. That makes my day.....
That #4 kit is an interesting kit. In 1949 the #4 kit was only sold to repair the Penn 109 but in 1950 it was expanded to also carry the parts for the 109 & 209. I believe that is a tough kit to find, especially the first year version of it. The number chronologically goes backward with the #6 kit being introduced first, then the #5 and then the number 4. Don't know why they did it that way, but they did.
Hi Mike,
It's sort of funny in a way, apart from Senators, I mainly stick with Pre 50's, mainly Pre war, but I saw this and due to the fact I'd never
seen a kit like this before, i had to have it, I don't even have any of the reels ;D.
There were some very helpful other parts in there from earlier reels, which have been utilised, so that's been helpful.
I guess at a later date, if I go after the 9, 109, 209 reels, this will sit nicely on the shelf with them..
Or someone might like it to finish off or add to there collection....
Col
QuoteHi Mike,
It's sort of funny in a way, apart from Senators, I mainly stick with Pre 50's, mainly Pre war, but I saw this and due to the fact I'd never
seen a kit like this before, i had to have it, I don't even have any of the reels Grin.
There were some very helpful other parts in there from earlier reels, which have been utilised, so that's been helpful.
I guess at a later date, if I go after the 9, 109, 209 reels, this will sit nicely on the shelf with them..
Or someone might like it to finish off or add to there collection....
Col
Posted on: April 28, 2020, 06:18:14 PMPosted by: Penn Chronology
Sure, it is an interesting collectible in itself. I never buy a antique parts kits with the intention of using it to do repair work with. This is a nice add to your collection simply because they are special and very hard to find.
That IS a dandy ! Good find !
Hi Chris,
Awesome!!
Any 1933 reel in good condition is a hard find, but that is beautiful!!
Well Done - you certainly keep raising the bar.!
Take care,
Martin
Wow, That is a clean long beach, nice one!
Love the color on those side plates...great score Chris! 8)
Great find Chris, really nice, thanks for showing us, how did you come by it, @ a swap meat, or on the bay, cheers Don.
Wow Chris, all its missing is the box !!
Definitely a keeper
Nice find Chris...great reel!
Sal
QuoteGot a nice 1933 Long Beach today
Wow, that is a tough reel to find in that condition. Most of them were fished to death. Congrats on that find!!!
That is a fabulous reel,,,, ;) love it,,,,, ;D
Thanks guys
A few months ago, Ted sent me a "gaggle" of Surfmaster parts, all packed up in a "older" Surfmaster box. Again, with a heads up from Ted, I stumbled on to a Surfmaster that sort of needs to be IN that box! Needs a "correct" handle, but, all-in - all, it seems to be in fairly good shape, and, the hex clicker makes it a "gotta' have it" reel. With shipping, it cost me a tad over $36 on the 'bay. So, "do the box", and "do the reel", and I've got something nice for my collection !! Thanks, again, Ted !!
Nice Crow! Love the Hex clickers
That should cleen up really good Arlyn, cheers Don.
Quotefew months ago, Ted sent me a "gaggle" of Surfmaster parts, all packed up in a "older" Surfmaster box. Again, with a heads up from Ted, I stumbled on to a Surfmaster that sort of needs to be IN that box! Needs a "correct" handle, but, all-in - all, it seems to be in fairly good shape, and, the hex clicker makes it a "gotta' have it" reel. With shipping, it cost me a tad over $36 on the 'bay. So, "do the box", and "do the reel", and I've got something nice for my collection !! Thanks, again, Ted !!
Ted certainly brings some very special reels to people. He is a very good man to know. I cannot remember every seeing a Surfmaster with a hex clicker. That makes me feel this is a special reel that needs to be saved. I have a folder in my computer just for Penn reels with hex clicker. Thank for these photos. There is now another sighting of a Hex Clicker button, your Surfmaster.
Mike do you have my 4/0 senator with hex clicker in your file?
Quote from: xjchad on March 17, 2020, 06:47:19 PM
Found this beauty (Penn 85) in a box of reels that Ted sent me. ;D
It's pristine and I love the mottled coloration!
Question for you guys...
I have this reel sitting in my office and pick it up to crank it and hear the dog ticking away.
One thing I noticed is that all the metal parts look different to me than on my other Penns.
On this reel, they don't look as "chrome", but more silver, like the color of my eating utensils at home.
Is it just me? ???
That's a sweetheart, Chad !!
'll post some better pix of that surf master, in a day, or so.....those are sort of "blurry".....I'd LIKE to blame the camera....but, I'm thinking it's more the "cameraman" ::)
Quote from: xjchad on May 20, 2020, 08:10:29 PM
Question for you guys...
I have this reel sitting in my office and pick it up to crank it and hear the dog ticking away.
One thing I noticed is that all the metal parts look different to me than on my other Penns.
On this reel, they don't look as "chrome", but more silver, like the color of my eating utensils at home.
Is it just me? ???
Those are the "tumbled" parts used on the budget models Chad. They weren't highly polished like the more traditional chrome parts you're used to seeing. They do have a more silvery appearance. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on May 20, 2020, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: xjchad on May 20, 2020, 08:10:29 PM
Question for you guys...
I have this reel sitting in my office and pick it up to crank it and hear the dog ticking away.
One thing I noticed is that all the metal parts look different to me than on my other Penns.
On this reel, they don't look as "chrome", but more silver, like the color of my eating utensils at home.
Is it just me? ???
Those are the "tumbled" parts used on the budget models Chad. They weren't highly polished like the more traditional chrome parts you're used to seeing. They do have a more silvery appearance. 8)
Thanks Mo!
That is great to know!
Is is bad that I think I like that look better? :D
I always liked it better also, more restrained I guess. Like the difference between an Audi RS5 and a Infiniti GTR, less flashy.
The Man
The ones with the hex clickers I have, date around 40-41.
Not sure on that type of handle for that era, but it may have been swapped out at some stage.
But from what I have found/researched, that hex clicker dates to the early 40's...
Another way to try and narrow down the date, remove the line on the spool, see if the arbour on the spool is rounded, which dates to after the war, or if it has a kinda ridge in the corner,, that would date it as pre war.
I have a boxed 200, with the spool arbour rounded, price on the box would make it 1946 on...
I'm sure someone else may have more detail...
Nice find...
Col
Yeah, I know this isn't the correct handle, and I've been "resisting" pulling the line...or any other "reel work", for that matter...I have WAY too much "real work", outside in the gardens, right now .
Rained today , so, I removed the line to check the spool, and I'm assuming it's the "older" version, as it has the same look as the prewar 49 spool
Hi Crow,
Nice find - That hex clicker dates it at 1941.
The correct handle for that reel should have that late 1941 -1946 style smooth(no coin edge, no rings) counterweight, as seen on LB60's, Delmars, and Seagates from that era. The handle of my hex clicker SM200 has a dark brown, faux wood appearance.
Hope that helps!!
Take care out there
Martin
Hi Crow,
Yep, that spool, as Martin said, is Pre war, so the hex clicker makes it 41.
Great find Sir !!.
Should be easy enough to find the correct handle, then you have a pretty cool correct reel....
It's funny how a whole lot of little characteristics make it from a particular year. I mean these reels probably had parts swapped due to a breakage maybe or a mishap, which can confuse the heck out of trying to date the things. But that early spool certainly narrows things down...
Col
That's a dandy, Chris !
Dang Chris,you find the jewels, that thing is clean too handle or no handle. What kind of handle should it have?
Nice Chris, did you have to pollish it or was it like that when you brought it, cheers Don.
That's very cool,,,,,,,, ;D
Beautiful looking reel looks in good nick .
Kim
My dad got this at a yard sale today for $20 :) then i took a closer look 309 and a long beach,,,,,, :D my dad been looking out for me,,,,,,, ;D
i see a crack. let me know if you need replacement side plates.
Quote from: WDill on September 01, 2019, 12:23:48 AM
This one still has the original thick drags and a felt washer as a seal. Not sure how to deal with that. May just have to reuse the original felt.
Do you, or anybody know when that started, when it stopped? Ive seen it on a few models. Can you date a reel by it, or get close?
That crack in the tail plate, the screw does not look original, maybe it was screwed in to tight, may have made it split, cheers Don.
hello Gents
four Penn's in a single shot ! lb 60 lb 65 155 and my first wooden knob no. 85
i have a question, what is the difference between the 60 and 65 ?... it seems to me they are relatively same in size... would the part's be inter change/swap?..
thanks
alan S.
Quote
i have a question, what is the difference between the 60 and 65 ?... it seems to me they are relatively same in size... would the part's be inter change/swap?..
Line capacity only. The stand, bars and spool are different, making a Model 65 wider than a Model 60. All else is the same.
i have a question, what is the difference between the 60 and 65 ?... it seems to me they are relatively same in size... would the part's be inter change/swap?..
Line capacity only. The stand, bars and spool are different, making a Model 65 wider than a Model 60. All else is the same.
thanks...
Good find today! Very good price as well! Missing a decal... :( Looks like I will be searching for one for a while.
This reel functions flawlessly, and feels great. Just swapped the original rubbery/fibery drags for the CF drags out of a parts 712z reel.
IS THERE A SPECIAL WAY TO GET THE MAIN GEAR SHAFT OUT OF THE HOUSING?
I have taken apart a few Spinfishers and their gears, even when really dirty, come out quite easily.
I have a 712z and this 710z that the main gear shaft will NOT come out at all. On the 712z I have used pliers, pipe wrench, a hammer...
It is currently soaking in gasoline in case there is grease hardened in there, but now I have run into this 710z with the same issue.
Anybody else run into this and found a fix?
That 350 should clean up, great ! Those "spiral line winders" are pretty neat.
....and just when I thought I'd seen every Penn known to mankind
Is that a 549 or a 49B Ted?
The stand on that 49A isn't a clamping stand like normally used. Maybe a real early version or prototype?
Quote from: mo65 on July 10, 2020, 06:16:34 PM
The stand on that 49A isn't a clamping stand like normally used. Maybe a real early version or prototype?
Not sure Mo, but It does have coin edge cb and no part numbers anywhere
Quote
....and just when I thought I'd seen every Penn known to mankind
Ha, some tricky repair shop stole the Jigmaster 500 stand off the 49A and replaced it with an early Long Beach 67 stand. That is a dirty trick.....
I'm now the proud owner of Glenn Fukumoto's Penn International 16S two speed!
It was sitting on the table at the clubhouse when I arrived on Sunday and I said if it didn't sell by the time the trip was over it was gonna be mine. It almost sold a few times but fate intervened and it was still sitting on the table Monday night and I snatched it up. I'm sure there's plenty of good karma left on that old reel and Glenn will bless me with a big fat tuna for keeping it fishing!
Hi all, Bit of a mail call here.
Has been quiet on the western front of late, In a real battle to land a special package from State side for the last couple of months.
But it has been all in vein so far.... more on that later.
But what arrived today, was a great shelfy, from the box, it's a 32-38 Bridge City.
Haven't cleaned the reel up yet, it looks in OK condition, Box is OK, very bright and colourful label.
Love these 30's reels and boxes.....
Col
BUT, Just to pin point the year of the bridge city and the box, a little better.
This came along with it, folded under the reel in the box.
It's got a wee corner missing, and showing it's age a tad, But, a 36 it is indeed....
But, in saying that, the scalloped handle nut and retaining screw, shouldn't be 36 year correct ???..
Damn having these books of Mikes, they keep bursting my bubble ;D
Even the catalogue shows the 36 reels apart from the Senator, should have the hex handle nut.
Strange that someone would have just added the 36 catalogue/pamphlet.....
Col
Thats a great one Col! Congratulations on winning that one!
Some great finds!
I haven't been looking, as often, on Ebay, but prices seem higher , lately. That, or maybe I'm just 'more broke', now ::)
That's a first for me on Col's pamphlet: "...Barge Fishing".
Yes Col, nice find, glad you won it, cheers Don.
Bravo Col! Your collection must be getting big...and so many are sweet gems like this one...way ta go! You have become very good with the facts and info on these old Penns. Hope you have many more great finds. 8)
Thanks guys.
Mo, it's this site that I've gained all the info and of course Mikes books.
Now that I can use the search function ;D...
Sometimes I'll see something on the big sale site, next thing, I have mikes books open beside me, the lap top open and searching old posts here,
There's always so much to learn.
Retaining that new info is the hardest part :o I'm always in awe of some of you blokes, with all that knowledge.
To learn the other day about Chris's Coronado find, then to see Dom and Martin comment on it, was an awesome read.
Col
QuoteEven the catalogue shows the 36 reels apart from the Senator, should have the hex handle nut.
Strange that someone would have just added the 36 catalogue/pamphlet.....
Col.,
First I want to say, that is a great find.
It is a 1936 catalog and 36 box, it could be a later reel or some one changed the handle and used the locking style. It is like splitting hairs. Are we going to believe the catalog like it was the the only possibility. Moving to 1937, you see all the reels in the catalog (not including Senators) still have hex head handle screws except the Sea Hawk, which uses a scalloped screw without a locking screw. Weird. I know the 1936 is calling for all Penn reels except the 115 to have a hex head screw but what if in the real world, some left the factory with locking screws? Life as we know it would still be happening. So consider the possibilities. It could be an early factory release, a repair shop could have changed the handle to a locking type (most likely the most probable), the owner could have changed it or it could be a 1938 reel that was put in the wrong box. I guess with a time span of about 80 years, any one of those possibilities could be true,
Best to all,
Mike C.
Thanks Mike,
Yes, the catalogue is the first non numbered one I have managed to get, so pretty happy with that.
The photo doesn't show up the staining and general ageing it has, but really really happy to have it in my collection.
In fact, the only other Bridge City I have, is a 250 yd, 4 post, but a maroon colour,, still reading up about that.
It would have been Xmas to find the catalogue with a first year Senator and it's box, alas, but the Bridge City is still a good find ;D
Still lots to find, slowly but surely ;D
Thanks for your insight
Col
THAT is SWEET, Chris !!
Very nice !! Congrats ! John Taylor
That's a gem!
It's like a fine piece of art !!
I don't know where you're getting these reels,,,,, ;) but keep doing it,,,,,,,, ;D
Gorgeous!
Sal
Killer
-s
simply... WAW !... :D is the spool ss?... the shine is diff from the chrome parts.
Quote from: Maxed Out on July 10, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
....and just when I thought I'd seen every Penn known to mankind
Ted tell us more about the reel, where ? when ? how ?
Regards
Alan
My favourite type of handle and colour of them..
Nice find Chris.
Col
Thank you everyone!
Great find Chris, thanks for posting it, very interesting, cheers Don
Thats a first style 720 with "fish " sideplate. They then switched to an emblem. The 720 was always that color blue until the Z series came out.
Thanks, was it just the 720 or did all the old greenies go blue?
At some point the 704 705 720 and 722 were all a light shade of blue towards the end of the run with the the 706 707 710 711 712 713 714 and 716 a dark green. The 722 was a similar light blue but it was more aqua green
Thank you again, and by the way the lighthouse 4/0 above is sweet!!
Nice lefty 209. Likely 70's era. They made so few of the lefty 209's, they were still using 1950's cavity molds for these sideplates up into the 80's.
Penn 113H with...brown? plates...
Bought another one recently...
I love this reel.
(https://radikal.ru)
Quote from: coralsea on September 13, 2020, 10:19:43 AM
Penn 113H with...brown? plates...
Bought another one recently...
I love this reel.
(https://radikal.ru)
Do you want to buy 12 more? :D
Just one more-)))
We were fishing about 50 miles offshore in the Gulf catching some decent snappers and groupers. My buddy is reeling in something and says "this fish isn't fighting much", a minute later this happens. Old Penn rod n reel, chum bag, some shells and coral all attached together. He didn't want it so I'm going to hang it on the wall in my garage, it will surely make my wife happy since it's got a nice aroma to it ;D ;D ;D
Couple screws, a little oil, that'll buff right out!
A good vinegar soak and a completely different reel and it will be good to go 🤣🤣
Good catch ! It's amazing what's down there, ain't it ?!
Looks like it once was a 112h senator. Send that baby to Mo and he'll bring it back to its former glory !
Quote from: Swami805 on September 13, 2020, 02:42:58 PM
Couple screws, a little oil, that'll buff right out!
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 13, 2020, 05:56:01 PM
Send that baby to Mo and he'll bring it back to its former glory !
As Dr. McCoy once said..."I'm not God Jim, I'm only a doctor!"
Quote from: mo65 on September 13, 2020, 06:20:29 PM
Quote from: Swami805 on September 13, 2020, 02:42:58 PM
Couple screws, a little oil, that'll buff right out!
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 13, 2020, 05:56:01 PM
Send that baby to Mo and he'll bring it back to its former glory !
As Dr. McCoy once said..."I'm not God Jim, I'm only a doctor!"
Bahahaha,
That made me chuckle Mo........
Col
Neat old piece, especially for a Goodwill.
My wife goes to Goodwill 2-3 times a week, I tell her to keep an eye open for any fishing stuff. To date she has never brought any rods, reels, or tackle home. We do however have a growing vintage cookware collection.
Quote from: jason_purdy on September 27, 2020, 06:36:36 PMPenn Seaford: 4 posts, German Silver, hex nut on the handle, and no stamp on the reel foot. I'm thinking 1934. I'm pretty happy with this vintage Goodwill find ;D
Nice find indeed! Very early model, I'll let the experts tell the actual circa. So how much $$$ did it run ya?
I thought the '33 was the 3 pillar with the rounded clicker and in '34 the design shifted to 4 posts, waffle clicker, and hex nut ??? Either way, it's my earliest Penn and only cost me $20 8)
-Jason
Great buy !
Nice find right there for sure Jason.
4 post began in 34 for all the Penn models and changed over to the Hex spool bearing on the head plate, would be nice to find one with the round spool bearing from 33, I've always been on the lookout for a 34 model with that round one, It would have been left over parts from 33, which happened all the time with model changes, I digress !!.
Careful though Jason,,,,, Collecting these older ones becomes obsessive ;D
Col
Very nice find! Its very rare to find any good fishing items at the thrift stores nowadays.
Nice save !! Just imagine how many people would recognize this reel as one that should be shelved in a collection. 99.9% of people buying from goodwill would be taking this reel fishing. So happy to see it found the right home where it will be appreciated and never to be fished again now that it's officially entered into the collector realm
I know of 1 model k that unknowing owner gifted to a father/son and even loaded it with line. Yep, they were going fishing with it not knowing it's historical significance or extremely high $$$ value
Ted,
I know we're coming up on Halloween but fishing a Model K?! That's an outright horror story! :'(
-Jason
QuotePenn Seaford: 4 posts, German Silver, hex nut on the handle, and no stamp on the reel foot. I'm thinking 1934. I'm pretty happy with this vintage Goodwill find
Nice find. It could be a 1934 reel. Has all the signs. You are correct about the three post model being a 1933. Sometime I feel the 1934 model is harder to find than the 1933 model.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 01, 2020, 06:54:45 AM
QuotePenn Seaford: 4 posts, German Silver, hex nut on the handle, and no stamp on the reel foot. I'm thinking 1934. I'm pretty happy with this vintage Goodwill find
Nice find. It could be a 1934 reel. Has all the signs. You are correct about the three post model being a 1933. Sometime I feel the 1934 model is harder to find than the 1933 model.
Funny you say that Mike, Even though my collecting years are few, I've managed to score only one 34 model, but 3 or 4 33 year Seafords...
I would have thought it would have been quite the opposite...
Col
Very nice reel and incredible find,,,,, ;) working at different places sometimes there's some old stock stuff laying around and you just use it if don't have the parts,,,,,, :D that's what makes penn reels so unique,,,,,,, ;D
QuoteFunny you say that Mike, Even though my collecting years are few, I've managed to score only one 34 model, but 3 or 4 33 year Seafords...
I would have thought it would have been quite the opposite...
The Sea Ford is a model that is sort of an accident. In 1933, the Sea Ford is the Penn Child that was not supposed to happen. It was a late introduction in an odd build style, that filled a spot that was supposed to be the Sea King. Many 1933 models were made, from that point on, the Sea Ford was not a great selling reels and was gone after 1940. I have a feeling that the Sea Ford was a doomed model because of a Patent Infringement case to Penn from Pflueger. It went through a metamorphosis from the 1933 build style into the 1934 build style and never really recovered. Makes it an interesting model to find in the later years of it existence, especially the later boxes are tough finds.
Interesting info here. Now I need more, lol.
Tell us more about the Sea King, Mike. I have read some about this fabled reel and used to speak with Brian P. about it occasionally.
Thanks,
Dom
Quotenteresting info here. Now I need more, lol.
Tell us more about the Sea King, Mike. I have read some about this fabled reel and used to speak with Brian P. about it occasionally.
Thanks,
Dom
I honestly believe the Sea King never happened. It really did not make any sense. it was a small 150 yard reel made to high standards. It was slow and expensive.
I know some salesman were telling customers it would happen but when it did, it became the Sea Ford. When I think about that concept I can't understand how they were going to create it. All the 1933 reels were the same side plate diameters and all were offered in the 250 or 300 yard line capacities. The Sea King would have been offered in 150 yard only. Now that meant the reel would have to be very narrow or a new smaller side plate would have had to be made. The small side plate reels were not introduced until 1935, so the Sea King would have been very ahead of its time in that regard. It was also Model F aka Sea Hawk free spool system with chrome plating used on inner trim ring plates. Which brought the reel down in capability and up in price.
I would sure love to find one but I feel that none were ever made. Otto must have realized that it just was a bad idea, so he canned it and went with the Sea Ford.
That's great! Thanks for the in depth info. What you say makes good sense. In the early days starting a company was tough to do, so cutting costs would have been key to the business surviving. Thus Ottos's use of interchangeable parts.
Appreciate the knowledge, mike.
Dom
I agree with Dom, fantastic read Mike.
As usual, due to your extensive research and experience, this reel probably didn't exist as such as you explained..
But Gee, did they get a prototype done ?, a special order for side plates, would be great to ever see such a transaction, like the ones in your book.
If they did get a prototype done, Wow, what a find that would be......
But I guess that's just pie in the sky stuff ;D
.......Always hoping to find that one of object...
Col
Neat observation, Ted. I never really checked that.
Love those first year 85's and 80's for that matter.
Thanks for showing
Dom
I wonder if smaller star is a 180 Baymaster star?
Found at a yard sale yesterday.... Penn Peer #209 Level wind.
Arrived with True Temper wooden handle rod. I gave $5. Upon
cleanup found two hairline cracks on one sidepiece (hidden by
dirt). Apparently prior over tightening was the culprit. Cleaned ,
greased, oiled and adjusted. Smoothest level wind I've ever
had . Metal spool is minty fresh. Really like all the adjustability.
Spare PAWL is cool. Just feels like a quality reel.
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/2EV3KUp
That's a classic outfit for sure. I can just see it out on a party boat.
I have this theory that the spare pawl is actually a Penn admission that they were struggling with the Peerless levelwind engineering. They should have also included a spare carriage and a spare worm.
-steve
is that rod a Harnell?
might be a better find than the reel
Quote from: philaroman on October 12, 2020, 07:47:35 AM
is that rod a Harnell?
might be a better find than the reel
If marked True Temper they were probably trying to ride Harnell's coat tails. Likely solid fiberglass instead of tubular too.
Steve and Phil.... I added photos to the spread. Wanted to show
the uninitiated the "Spare Pawl" cubby, and the tension adjustment
for the level wind mechanism.... was able with some grease to get
this one dialed in to smooth slide mode.... will have to see how it
performs at work. The True Temper rod is in about 8-9 /10 condition.
as Phil indicated current Bay of E asking indicates the rod more
valuable than the reel ($50-$60). Kind of digging this Penn.... time
will tell if it is just the blush of new find or lasting appreciation. ;)
BTW... now feel the hairline crack not from over tightening but from
being dropped. :-\
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/2EV3KUp
hmmm... may not be "Fancy French name"
Montague was a US OEM that made anything for anybody, like China does now
if that's what it is, weird to see the "brand" AND "OEM brand" on same product
may be added value, plus good rod condition
don't know about S/W sticks, but have seen a couple lighter, longer Montague rods
that seemed like decent thin-wall glass w/ too-few budget guides
I'm trying to think how it went..... First, Ocean City bought Montague, then later Ture Temper bought Ocean City. So, it all makes sense.
Look inside to see if the crack goes all the way though the side plate. Sometimes a scratch can look like a crack.
-s
Had a "tip" from one of the ohana (Thanks, again, Ted !) about this 285. Really a neat, un numbered , with a hex click button, and a really neat knob! Seat is marked 250 yards. Had to pay a bit more than I would have liked, but, it "came with" a really clean Long Beach 60. I haven't pulled the line from the 60, as yet....it looks like pretty good stuff, and I'll probably re use it, on something. The mono that was on the 285 will ....or could be...used on my weed trimmer ! Not only"big", but stiff, as well....they didn't want any break offs, I guess !
Score !!
Also the lb reel looks nice. Any pics of it ??
I'll get some, tomorrow...it IS pretty clean!
Be careful, Ted has a keen eye and will fill your house with vintage Penn Reels... ask me how I know. 8)
Nice buy, those are much less common with the hex click.
Best
Dom
Here's a few pix of the LB60, that came along , in the deal. Pretty , darn clean ! I removed the line, for reuse (it is in "almost new" condition), and after looking at the spool, under the line, I would almost say the reel has never been fished ! I see no signs of any corrosion, anywhere, and with the exception of some minor "rash", the reel shows no scratches, dings, or gouges. I'm waiting to see the inside....it's very smooth , in operation...and I expect to see the "guts" looking as good as the "skin'.
Here's a pic of the 285 "badge":
Chris, good looking reel....with a 1950 date I would put it in the era of using up old non-numbered parts and the "new" part numbering system.....Bill
That's a beauty Chris. Pretty decent box too.
I think Mike can answer your questions about the era of the reel, but I'd guess it's correct for the box
Good one, Chris !
Chris, nice find.
I have a 49. last year light house box, for a 9/0, the reel has partial part numbers as well.
Of course there's no way of authenticating the reel belongs to the box I guess, but I had it on good authority it was a match.
I guess this time frame was a transitional period where they commenced stamping part numbers on reels ???
Again, I put it as a 49, due to the presence of part numbers,, even though that price spanned from 46-49, but I classed it as 49,
As I didn't think part numbers would have been introduced earlier that 49...
Got a jigmaster 500 the other day ,when I got home I noticed the logo was side ways.
Kim
Kim I've seen Senators with sideways logos. Here's my 10/0 with sideways logo. If you turn the reel so the logo is straight, the sideplate looks like a first gen.
Was there a Lefty version of the 10/0? I have a 4/0LH and the logo is just like that, which would be straight up if the crank were mounted on the left being in the 5 O'Clock like my lefty (or a gen one). Having been in the manufacturing biz you really can't waste anything if you're going to survive and turn a profit. How about this scenario, head plate was molded to be a lefty but the molder used the wrong medallion (R/H) positioned correctly for a lefty reel. Solution, make a righty to conform to the "spec" of the medallion, a fully functional 100% reel. There was no spec for the "proper" alignment of the text let alone the position as that moved around over time as well. So screwed up lefty mold, stick in RH gears, problem solved?
Bob i would bring in to question the post and stand screw hole positions. I assume they were part if the mold and not drilled. In which case the simple explanation would be that the mold plug was inserted 90° off
Could be, I don't have my 4/0LH handy, but as I recall the headplate was simply flipped 180 degrees vertically (with the switched over internal gearing) and then mounted on the left of the spool moving the crank shaft from 7 to 5 O'Clock position with the holes, foot and posts, all lining up. My lefty is numbered but the crank is in the 5 O'Clock position, like a pre war, but on the left side. Who knows? Never say never about Penn as Mike says. Nice find, I got a boxed 140 from Swami partially numbered like your 10/0 with pricing to put it in 49 50. Nothing wasted at Otto's.
Hi Chris,
I have an early 10/0 with drilled arbor, coin edged c/w and early '40's handle, with that same 90degree misalignment of the logo. My first thought, on seeing it was that it was a 'lefty', but it isn't. Have you had the line off that reel? does it have a drilled arbor?
I have assumed that my 10/0, with drilled arbor, was the first of the second gen 10/0's - a 1941 reel, and that someone forgot to realign the logo before they commenced production of the 'new' 10/0's Misaligned logo's seem to be a relatively common feature of the early Penns.
Cheers
Martin
So, they had molds with the overall shape of the side plate. The logo/model was a separate little button-shaped piece placed in the mold? When the side plate is removed from the mold you wouldn't want to snatch the button out of the mold with it. But if was just a friction fit then that could easily happen. Maybe they were forever having to fuss around with the logo button to make sure it was still straight?
-s
QuoteI got this 6/0 package recently. Box price indicates 1946-1949.
The weird thing is that the reel is partially numbered. I have an identical 6/0 in the identical box without any numbers. Im wondering if this could be a mismatch or if it could be one of the last lighthouse boxes to leave the factory with a partially numbered reel??? Someone hand wrote a date of 7/13/50 in the white circle just above the light. Purchase date maybe???
I feel the part numbered parts were first used on Senators. Your reel could be one of those early reels that mixed numbered and non-numbered parts, even at a 1949 date. The 1949 catalog did have a illustrated parts list near the end of the catalog, so some stamped parts could have been around at that time. Unfortunately, there is no one left at Penn from that time period to ask about this. I would tend to think your reel is correct for the box.
I picked up this pair of sail fishers. They are a little beat but the price was right and I believe the one with red handle has a 3 piece spool and I believe is a first year.
Nice ! I wasn't aware there were "other" spools used on these. I have one I "went through", but haven't fished yet...maybe this winter !!
I have one. A great trolling reel. Gear ratio pretty low, but mine rolls in 26" of line/turn with that big ol' spool. Lots of unique parts,specific only to this reel.
Yep, 1953 was introductory year for the 130 sailfisher, and had the 3 piece spool. 1954 was the year when Penn introduced heavy cast bronze spools on the 130 and also on the larger senators
What Ted said...
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2020, 03:19:15 AM
What Ted said...
Just passing on info I learned from you Mike !
I recall reading, and have it in my notes, that the 3 piece was gone by 56, was that bad info or did the whole line change over to the cast brass take a few years to finish off?
Thanks
Bob
QuoteWhat Ted said...
Just passing on info I learned from you Mike !
Well my friend, I suspect you have done a lot of learning on your own. Whatever I added makes me happy.
Happy Holiday!
Haven't had to much in the way of new finds of late. So while driving around on a wee holiday, 800 km's from any major city, happened to notice a local add with a picture. Photo was terrible, but I immediately recognised it as a 49,, there was a comment that it came with the original box, she sent me a photo of it..... After a bit of negotiation, she delivered it to our hotel,,,, I was well pleased with it's condition, it's had very little use, with just a little bit of corrosion on the reel seat, which would be from not drying out the line. The box is in really good condition and it will sit very well with my other 40's boxed reels. $15 price tag, makes it between 46-49, the counter weight and both levers have the coin edge finish, I'm not to sure how long that went for, I didn't bring my Penn books with us. Got to be a good buying aT $150 Aussie, ( about $110 US ), I'm happy with that any how.
Col
Hi Col,
Awesome find - they reelly are where you find them!! You would be well chuffed with that!!
As you have noted - the reel is a late '40's reel, with a coin edged counterweight. These are the same sized counterweights that Penn used on their pre war 9/0 Senators, as well as the pre war #49's.
As your reel has shown, Penn continued to use up their coin edged C/w's on the model 49 until well into 1948/early 1949.... I believe that the '49 was the only reel to still have them after the war. (maybe the 149 also..need more research!!)
Cheers
Martin
Hi Martin, Thanks for that, It was a pleasant surprise, especially when your holidaying and not actually chasing anything.
Hope all's well with you across the pond. Left Melbourne on Saturday, which was a pleasant 22 c, only to find the weather on the NSW border was a barmy 42c, absolutely near killed us....... Have a wedding to attend just south of Sydney for our God Daughter, was absolutely fantastic that the borders opened just in time to drive up,,,, Just got to get used to the heat !!
All the best
Col
You did good on that one, Col !!
Quote from: Crow on November 30, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
You did good on that one, Col !!
I agree...nice find Col! 8)
Thats a beauty Col!
Ya done good, Col!
The box is a real beauty!
Keep those keen eyes peeled,
Dom
Great find Col, well done, cheers Don.
That's a nice one, Chris !
Nice find Chris. The optional clamp stand is icing on the cake !
Ted
That one is Mr clean LL Bean,,,,,, :o great fine man,,,,,,,,, ;D
Now that is a fine piece. :o
Whoa, look at the size of the counter weight. Nice reel for sure.
Thank you guys!
That one is a dandy Chris! 8)
QuoteGot this nice LL Bean marked Long Beach recently
That is a tough find in any condition. That one is beautiful. Really great find!
Nice !!
I just looked at my 10/0 and it has the medallion at 3:00. The handle is red and has the blunted taper. I don't know the age of it. Dominick
Looks like an International handle to me. !! John Taylor
Quote from: 54bullseye on December 23, 2020, 10:34:51 PM
Looks like an International handle to me. !! John Taylor
Yep
That's a nice find,,,,, ;) the 10/0's don't pop up that much,,,,,, ;D
Sure,
I wondered if that teardrop lock for the handle nut was correct, but now remember it from the Internationals I've had.
My girlfriend got me this for Christmas still in the box kinda hehe,,,,, ;) it might be collectible one day,,,,,, ;D
Well, it's the lull between the rush, so to speak... The Xmas crowd have come and gone, we wait now for the new year mob to crash my open door policy I have, Which is kinda cool.....
So, " Just as I find them ",, It still kind of is with this one, I just wanted to share....
This was an absolute beauty of a reel, I was fortunate to buy off my friend Randy, with a long history back to Ted ( maxed-out)..
A sales man sample Accurate 6/0... unused.
It sits on my office table at home, along with a few others that I tinker with, or have just finished the clean up on. And since nothing " actually new" will arrive before we tick over to a " bright new year ", I just had to crack this puppy open........
AND, it did not disappoint !!! simply stunning piece of engineering, coupled with some Penn 6/0 insides.....
I am so glad I did crack this girl open, as I found one side plate screw, with plain and simply, insufficient grease !! I quickly went to work and am happy to pass on, that the said screw, is now properly greased and ready for another 30 odd years of being shelved and admired ;D
Just thought I'd share..........
True reel porn....
Oh, for some reason the reel shot never came thru, So here's where it sits...... minus the towel ::)
This is, without doubt one of my favourite reels.....
I'm kinda feelin it needs a another sitting beside it .......
Col
Cool reel Col !! I like the old and new Accurate reels and have quite a few !! Happy New year LOL !!!! John Taylor
Thanks John, I don't have many non Penns,, and I have seen some of the stunning big reels you have, But Yep, I do like this one..
Hope you have a safe and happy New Year John....
Col
Wow...that's one sweet reel Col!! 8)
Yowza !!
Nice !
Indeed. Accurate didn't seem to skimp on the aircraft grade aluminium. Machined, I think(better than molded). You could look for the Jigmaster 500 Magnum size Accurate with the 113H guts, but probably slim to none chances of finding a pristine one.
Well, it's good that you saw the little fellow home, safely !
Nice walk home !! You musta did some time warp that took you back to 1942
I don't remember ever seeing handle knobs that color. They look great. I like #9 better though.
-steve
Yeah, I do like those handle shapes, I've seen them in different colours, but it's the shape I luv...
Nice find
Col
A bit quiet on the purchase front of late......
But managed to snare a couple of beauties...
The first, just made it in to my collector year range, A 130 Sailfisher.
Didn't know too much about these, but found a wee write up from Mo on these beasts.
An interesting reel, haven't stripped it down yet, but the reel it self, is in near perfect condition, I do not think it was fished.
The box, has seen better years, but I will have to support it inside to preserve it. Came with the 20 Catal0gue, so a 57..
A reel that I'll enjoy stripping down and getting a look inside, From memory, I think it was said they have some stand alone parts, not interchangeable..
Col
Can't seem to post a photo the old way, additional options, via photo's stored on my computer... ??
Yes Col, the sailfisher 130, are a nice solid reel, I have one with black plates a pink marble handle, reasonably narrow reel for the size, enjoy, cheers Don.
Thanks Don, Hope all is well over your way ??
Seem to be able to post Pic's now, so added the photo of my 130....
Next
Managed to get a 35 boxed long beach, with catalogue, which was exciting to receive and add to my other 30's boxes...
Col
Sweet score Col. The box is very great find, and the reel looks to be hardly used along with a very nice 1935 brochure. Yep, you did well !!
Nice :)
Another score there. Is the picture on cover of the catalog the same as one of the side plate relief pictures? It looks vaguely familiar.
Has anyone ever really gotten down in the weeds with the side plate pictures? Accumulated them all. Dug up any information about who designed and engraved them?
-s
That would be interesting Steve, Col, love the old boxes with reels you have, I have a nice Long Beach 68 reel with box, cheers Don.
Quote from: oc1 on February 05, 2021, 07:22:04 AM
Another score there. Is the picture on cover of the catalog the same as one of the side plate relief pictures? It looks vaguely familiar.
Has anyone ever really gotten down in the weeds with the side plate pictures? Accumulated them all. Dug up any information about who designed and engraved them?
-s
Steve, I actually had to check,, but there weren't side plate engravings on reels in 35, but there is an overall similarity with the 40's type boxes and the Squidder has a similar engraving, fisherman with sailing yacht. I can't confirm whether this actual one is on a side plate or not, certainly not ones I have thus far... I do recall somewhere someone aiming to collect all the said side plate pictures, if not here, it would be a great thread for sure.
Col
Quote from: Donnyboat on February 05, 2021, 08:40:31 AM
That would be interesting Steve, Col, love the old boxes with reels you have, I have a nice Long Beach 68 reel with box, cheers Don.
Hi Don, yes, I was extremely lucky to get offered the 35 Longbeach, from a member here actually. There's something about the 30's boxes.
I still have many Longbeaches left to collect in all honesty, mainly the larger ones, Geez, it never ends mate.
Hope you are well, I hear there are fires raging over your way ???
Col
So true Col it never ends, your in the rabbit hole now, we are about 150 Km South of Perth, the current fire started near Wooraloo East of Perth, the South East winds are taking it North West, right up to Bullsbrook, that near the Pearce air force base, the Great Northern highway runs through there, they have lost about 86 houses, they have it contained at the moment, But strong winds are forecast, the next few days, know lives have been lost, fortunately enough, we have had a covid 19, lock down, over here for the last week, That has made it easier for the fire brigades to move around, with less traffic on the Roads.
Nice reel Col !!!! John Taylor
There's a 113H somewhere under the grease.....I think. Makes me feel stingy with the slippery stuff
there was a video of a charter boat captain recommending exactly this. as crazy as it seems, i can totally understand someone getting frustrated enough to want to do this!!!! ;D
The drag was frozen and when I got inside it was as dry as the rest was loaded, the previous guys in there must have been Dr Jeckel and Mr Hyde, two very different Idaho's.
Nice !!
Possibly early 1950's ??
That rascal is a clean one, Chris !
Thats what im thinking Ted
Nice one,,,like the stamp too,,,,, ;D
Campground rummage sale, this morning.....spent $9, total.....
The Zebco 808, and rod, I'll service, new line, etc., and give to my buddy....the 309 is in pretty decent shape....a "newer" issue than my others...don't need ANY of them, but ::)
The other Penn...not sure WHAT model, it is...is stuck tighter than a bull's behind, at "fly time"...don't have one like it in my "collection", so !
The "Sears" trolling reel is in fair shape...I've given several like it away...this one will probably be the same, and the Zebco 202 will make some kid happy, for a while !
The Daiwa 4000C is smooth, but has quite a bit of external corrosion...probably be another one that gets serviced, and "gifted away"
The drill indexes aren't "full"...all the little stuff has been broken, I suppose, and the bigger stuff in basically "unused"
Now, the trick will be getting it all hidden away, before the wife gets home, and gives me "heck", although, she'll , no doubt, have a bunch of "craft items", she'll be trying to keep hidden, from me :D
Great haul for $9. I might pay that for just the drills. I have one of those metal drill indexes, probably don't make em anymore.
i have yet to try it. but i have a tumbler for brass cartridges. you use soap, water and stainless steel pins. someday i want to take crusted reel like one of those, toss it in, tumble it for a day and see how it comes out
Hey, that graphite Penn is either a 310 or 320 GTI! clean it up and it is a great reel for a lot of things. The 320 actually uses 4/0 drag stack.
John
Quote from: thorhammer on February 20, 2021, 07:03:13 PM
Hey, that graphite Penn is either a 310 or 320 GTI! clean it up and it is a great reel for a lot of things. The 320 actually uses 4/0 drag stack.
John
Yup ! I can only imagine they would be great in the salt from a kayak. I have 2 - 3 of them laying around here. Not much use for my fishing now days. One junior high summer my dad dropped me off at the river for a week of fishing. I only had 2 reels with me one being a 330 GTI. For the upteenth gazzillion time the level wind went south while fighting a fish. Causing the line to stack jamming the reel.
Using a rock I knocked / busted out the level wind assembly & happily continued fishing on. :-\
Gosh, Chris, you sure do come up with some nice, clean reels !
Very nice looking 6/0 man,,,,,,,, ;D
You surely saved that 6/0 from ever being fished again. 1st gen 6/0 is a very tough find. Now it's officially in the collector world, right where it belongs
Thanks guys!
My apologies Chris, I've come in late here..
The lefty is a stunner, I have one but not quite as nice as your one, beautiful.......
The first Gen 6/0, Wow, been looking for one for ever, fantastic you had the right handle as well.....
Great adds to your collection.....
Col
QuoteJust got this first gen 6/0, not quite "as I found it" because it had a later red power handle on it. I'm glad because I think that's why it got passed over. Fortunately I had a spare correct handle I've been hanging on to for a rainy day.
Great reel and that rainy day handle is to die for. Good save...
Nice !
I'd say that wex Jig isnt one you find laying in yard sale bins very often! Nice Pair.
Sweet very lucky to find reels in that condition, they should run really good, cheers Don.
Quote from: thorhammer on March 06, 2021, 01:39:10 PM
I'd say that wex Jig isnt one you find laying in yard sale bins very often! Nice Pair.
I know right. They were priced at regular jigmaster prices and I couldn't pass em up.
A good friend is moving to Idaho. He gave me this 113 he inherited from his grandad... No saltwater in Idaho. I'll never use it, I'll just add it to my collection...
Cool
That IS a good friend ! Make a good addition to your collection.
Gee Chris, you find some nice reels, you must be searching the net, 24/7, plus garage sales, well done pleased for you, cheers Don.
Cool.....Good one for a display! Early 50's and still has original line from that era.
Yea, what is that line ? Silk ? Or ?
Cool
Linen if it's twisted
They found one! ;D
Gee they almost look as sweet as the rod reel, cheers Don.
Almost. :P
Quote from: Donnyboat on March 16, 2021, 10:27:18 PM
Gee they almost look as sweet as the rod reel, cheers Don.
Maybe, but the rod is more useful. Can also deal more easily with any grief that combo may give me... Jeff
I found another Jiggy on Offerup locally. Looks unused, deep maroon sideplates and plastic spool... I just love those Jigmasters .
Cool
It's a nice one !!
Here's another nice one I got from Craigslist... I've been real lucky, I check the various outlets often and pounce when I can make a good deal...
Cool
Both great condition. The 113h is near mint and would fetch $75-90 or more all day every day !!
I thought I would put this up here on this thread, as well as another thread where a bit more info is to be had...
However, I received a wee package that I have been waiting for for a couple of weeks,, and it was well worth the weight !!!
After many years of various horse trading and deals, I managed to snare, what I can only describe, as pure piece of reel art !!
Your eyes are immediately drawn to the ice blue colour and absolute pristine condition the reel is in.
I believe the pamphlet comes from Randy originally and I was told that this reel was the first one made and more than likely, the exact same reel as shown in the pamphlet...
I was always wanting to buy this reel, to go along with the superb Gold version I bought of Randy a while back.
The story was, they were salesman samples, carried around as he was peddling Accurates products. Of course it was Ted ( maxed out) that secured 7 odd of the 9 actual sales man samples originally, So when the opportunity arose, to buy this beautiful ice blue 6/0 version, it was an opportunity I jumped on immediately.
I certainly am proud to be the new custodian of this reel, which as mentioned, is in pristine, un used condition.
Thankyou Ted for passing this reel on, it will take pride of place amongst all my other Penn reels and likely be a topic of conversation for those that get to see it, And of course not touch it ;D.
Sweet !! :o
Love that reel Col...and it's story is awesome...thanks for sharing! 8)
GASP
Destiny has these reels reunited once again. Albeit halfway round the world. Let's be clear Col. These 2 reels are narrow conversion 114h and having 2 in one place is an amazing feat. The fact that both are 25+ years old and unused is hard to even imagine
The original holder of these reels worked for a marketing company that was hired by Accurate to promote their parts. They built 9 different reels and handed them to him as salesman samples. He decided only 1 was needed to show to possible vendors, so the other 8 reels went into a glass case in his living room for 20+ years. I got lucky and found him selling one on ebay. I contacted him and bought the rest of the reels privately. We had a few long chats on the telephone. Very nice guy, but doesn't fish. Probably why the reels never got wet and lived in a display case. Thor would've fished them all at least once. LOL
Gee Ted you were on to them, Nice buy Col, would look great in your cabinet ay, cheers Don.
Nice reels Cole !! John Taylor
They found another good home.
Enjoy taking care of them.
Best to you and the family, Col
Dom
Thanks Guys, Yes, I was smiling at the pair when I walked into my room today....
I'm certainly only the current custodian, as many of us are....
Great to hear from you Dom, hope all is going well over there with yourself and your family....
Thanks Guys..
Col
Picked up a couple of reels last week a penn 970 unused no box and a new in box 4200ss
Kim
Great find Kim, lucky man, cheers Don.
That 970 is a gem!
whoa Nelly, that's a nice score!!!!
Great find on both reels Kim !!
Agreed! Two great reels and for a fair price are a great score.
Enjoy them,
Dom
Nice find !
Four for a Twenty
Penn 209 greenie run fine needs a bath and the correct 155 handle
Bronson "Jolly Roger" spins smooth
Mitchell needs a teardown
Fjord 113, from Japan needs a teardown too, very stiff like the Mitchell
Can't go wrong at those prices !!
Awesome! You been down to OBX?
Nice score and a especially nice handle
It sure is a nice clean one !! Good find !
Sweet reel Chris !!! Nice find. John Taylor
Man, the line looks unused.... and there's lots of it.
Quote from: oc1 on June 29, 2021, 07:51:33 PM
Man, the line looks unused.... and there's lots of it.
Steve, is that linen?
really nice Chris, would it be a rude question to ask how much you paid for it, cheers Don.
Quote from: Decker on June 30, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: oc1 on June 29, 2021, 07:51:33 PM
Man, the line looks unused.... and there's lots of it.
Steve, is that linen?
Yeah. Twisted, not braided.
Sweet ! Lets see it on the rod !
OK, here is the rod, backcountry & bass rod for FL water. It's a Seeker 6'6'' BC (bass casting) E glass. It is one of the straightest rods I have ever wrapped, love the rod. Balance seems just about perfect, just put it together last night.
I got hold of 2 Seekers blanks': this BC and a 7' BS, very nice. I have a couple of Seekers, impressive rods! When I get a chance I will put something about them in the rod section. USA rod makers are getting hard to find these days. RC
Nice.
I think the 10 & 210 are Penn's best old school lightweight level-winders.
They "seem" to be stronger than the 9 series Peer reels. One thing I'd rather have in them is bushings over the spool ball-bearings. I've found that even spool winding/adjustment can be done with spool bushing shims and level-winder bushing shims.
Nice looking rod there.
Makes a great looking combo ! Good job !
A poor neglected level wind 109 fell into my lap.
It's kinda been a bit lean for me of late, with regard to vintage Penn's, mainly been concentrating on my Tiburon Modded stable, getting them ready
to be used.
I'm pretty sure, that this 109, would be a first year puppy 1942, due to the tension knob on the head plate, can someone confirm this ???
Well, Since I already had the repair box for the 9,109,209, I had thought I may as well look for those particular reels.
I've not really ever been keen on the level winds, BUT, if it is a first year Puppy, it does fall into my collection age bracket.
Boy, this reel had some use and also some stop gap repairs along it's journey, by the look of the brass wood screws I found in the reel seat :P
Never to mind though, since I have the no 4 repair kit, There should be some replacement screws amongst all the goodies inside.
I've not ever stripped down one of these breeds before and I quickly realised once the tail plate was removed, I oughta take a few photo's for reference if I was ever going to get it assembled and working again.
The tail plate clicker and the tension knob, are pretty well toasted in place, so everything is now in my soaking concoction and hopefully I can get this, strange old girl, cleaned up and working and hopefully looking half decent.....
I do like the handles but..
This Reel sure does need to be shown a bit of love, me thinks...
Col
Nice find Col, I like the way, you call it a strange old girl, I say its a barstard, but when its cleaned up working, then, shes a beauty, cheer Don.
That's really something. No part numbers, cool handle knobs and some sort of adjustable (more>>>less) friction brake
Quote from: oc1 on July 05, 2021, 09:15:54 AM
That's really something. No part numbers, cool handle knobs and some sort of adjustable (more>>>less) friction brake
Hi Steve, Yeah, I love the handles too.
I've never really warmed to any of the level winds, but as I mentioned, this appears to be a first year puppy, 42, with the knurled edge knob only being
that way for the first year,,, Well, if I've got it right that is ;D I kinda stripped it down today and once I took photo's, sat there and thought that this is really way different inside to most other Vintage Penn's in my collection,, it will be interesting how it cleans up and if I can get the clicker on the tail plate freed up. The fact I had the repair kit for the level winds, which I haven't seen to many for sale before and the fact that the prices of vintage reels of late has gone thru the roof, makes it slim pickings of late, so this one presented itself to me at what I like to pay for these old reels !!!
Quote from: Donnyboat on July 05, 2021, 06:04:29 AM
Nice find Col, I like the way, you call it a strange old girl, I say its a barstard, but when its cleaned up working, then, shes a beauty, cheer Don.
I had a chuckle when I read your post Don,,, Yep, I thought the same thing when it arrived ;D
Hopefully I can give her some lovin and bring her back to lookin half decent....
I don't know if there in the "hard to find " category or not, but it's warming to me..
Col
Col I have the feeling that after you are done, this reel will shine like new...Bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on July 05, 2021, 12:06:21 PM
Col I have the feeling that after you are done, this reel will shine like new...Bill
I am so Hoping so Bill ;D
Col
Col, nice project you're working on.
The kit may have numbered parts in it be careful to keep it period correct
If you have to buy a donor to make one nice first year reel.
Yes, it's a first year.
Let's see it when you're done... bet we won't recognize it 8)
Best to ya
Dom
Well, The 109 was an interesting experience to strip and clean up.
Thought I would put up a Pic of her all done and given a bit of Lovin...
I have to admit, I was nearly excited as I was when I found my first markings on the side plates of my 33 reels when I had finished.
She certainly is no Show pony... This Puppy was used as it was intended, extensively by the looks.
2 days of soaking in my new u-bute lemon scented wd40 degreaser and the tail plate clicker button was released !!!
I should have taken a completed inside Pic, since I showed one of it's original state.
I could have pilfered more new parts from my Penn parts repair kit, There is new main gears, the pawl winding mechanism etc, but I decided just to completely clean all the old parts, I only pilfered a new under gear washer and 2 reel seat screws to replace the brass wood screws I found in there.
The clicker is now incredibly loud, was quite surprised how loud it was, everything works well, including the drag, so it was a good result.
Can't do much about the state of the dents and scratches in the side plates, nor the obvious chrome loss, but I still like how she came out and am definitely happy to put it up on the shelf, as she is still holding on to all her history and the obvious abuse she endured during her active years ;D
As mentioned, prior to getting this reel, I skipped past anything that was level wind, but this one has changed my outlook, Hell, I may even look for a newish iteration and wet a line with one....
It's kind of a reel, you pick up and have a wee tinker with..... Yep, it doesn't take much to intrigue me I guess..... ;D
Looks great Col...excellent job bringing this war horse back to life....Bill
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on July 07, 2021, 05:42:04 AM
Looks great Col...excellent job bringing this war horse back to life....Bill
Thanks Bill, I really enjoyed doing this one....
Col
Great job Col, shes a gorgeous, ya just would`nt believe it, you certainly want to fish with one after you know of the engineering, and history, reminds me of the Penn 350 I restored, it is nice to have one to fish with, many thanks to Ted, cheers Don.
Nice job on the "wee tinker" Col !!! looks good ! Did you end up buying the International ? John Taylor
Quote from: Donnyboat on July 07, 2021, 06:45:36 AM
Great job Col, shes a gorgeous, ya just would`nt believe it, you certainly want to fish with one after you know of the engineering, and history, reminds me of the Penn 350 I restored, it is nice to have one to fish with, many thanks to Ted, cheers Don.
Thanks Don, I gotta admit, there little Rippers of reels, am very impressed....
Quote from: 54bullseye on July 07, 2021, 08:31:19 AM
Nice job on the "wee tinker" Col !!! looks good ! Did you end up buying the International ? John Taylor
Hey John. Cheers, it was an enjoyable one to " Tinker with " ;D
Mate, I was on that International and then sat back and watched where the price was heading.
It ended up going for around $400 Aussie, which from what you said, seemed about right, it was a really nice example.
While I was watching and waiting for the bidding, I spent a few days tinkering with my Senator projects and making a parts list up, which
Came to about what the International finished at , SO, I pulled out and let it go, and decided to spend that coin on finishing off the modding on my project reels.... I had my finger ready to push the button, But !!!!
I know I'll regret it down the track, Just wanted these project reels more at the minute..
Thanks for your input all the same, very much appreciated......
Col
Great job, Col !
Really excellent work on a 80 year old Penn 109, Col —
You're no Pilgrim — you know what you are about on these old Penns.
Thanks for taking us through it!
Best, Fred
Well done, Col! Keep it going, bud.
Thanks for bringing us along.
Dom
Nice job on the 109 Col...she looks great. I like fishing some levelwind models, like the Mag 10 and 210, especially while night fishing. They make it easy to keep your line spooled perfect in the dark. 8)
Going through the local digital classified ads I spied a seller with a box of "old reels". Looking at the photo I spotted a Penn Peer 209 and a DAM Quick in the box, plus roughly 15 other reels I couldn't identify. I messaged the seller and met up with him, where it was an ungodly 115 degrees in the noon day sun. I paid the man his $20 dollars packed up the box in the car. He then stated "i have an old tackle box would you be interested?" Sure, why not.....when he opened it, I was astounded.....hesitantly I asked how much? "What would you offer?" He replied......figuring I have nothing to loose, offered $40.......he countered with $60...... peeled off a couple more $20's and drove like hell for home, figuring my luck has surely run out........ Haven't reely gone through the tackle box yet, but some of the notable reels include: 2 Mitchell 300's, a 402, early ( possibly first year based on the head plate and some part numbers) Penn Peer 209, a DAM Quick Finessa about the same size as the 300's, Ocean City 310, Olympic, Roddy, Penguin, Zebco 808 & 404, South Bend Futura 303, and Langley Castflo.......all need some kind of work and parts......but hey, I don't think I can complain....Bill
That's a good score !!
Gee Bill what a score, the 209 & the ocean City 310, should be worth all you payed, let alone the wrest of the reels, thanks for posting them, cheers Don.
That's an awesome Haul Bill.....
There's a few hours of tinkering and going thru that lot....
Great score..
Col
Found a pair of old 9/0's that look like they've been together for a long time. One a very early gen 2, drilled arbor, no front lugs or numbers, the second a 51, 2, or 3, numbers and a 3 piece spool. At some point in the past the handles look to have been switched with the counter balanced crank on the newer of the two. The seller had them for 12 years and has no idea about any prior history. Now a question for the guru's, when did the front lugs appear on the Senators? I have a 37 12/0, first year, only year with no front lugs, so is 38 the year they appeared on the 9/0?
Billy, you should arrest yourself. I love 402's; as I recall lannie (Aiala) caught a nice YFT on hers. 808's are going for 30 or better in working shape.
Nice pair, there, Cuttyhunker !!
John, I have an 808 and a 404 that has your name written all over them....yours if you want them N/C......Bill
He said 402 Bill. You're going to insult the guy :)
No insult intended.....thought he might want them.....Bill
I'll take the sign in the background. Iszat a license plate?
Gman it's just a novelty plate the wife bought.....I'd have to move in with you if that disappeared 😉
None intended and no slight taken; Bill, I'll take those, lemme know the damage. We started on them, and I know some folks that will put them to good use...three hard working little brothers down the street sharing one rod to fish the pond. Polite, professional, and out doing yard work around the neighborhood before 7:30 on Saturdays- including picking up trash cans and returning them, spotless, for $7. Ages 7 to 13. Gives me hope- the rest of the kids around aren't even up yet and then are thumbing it on video games. A soon as I figured out these industrious kids had only one rod, thirty yards from my shop, I wasn't having it- everyone had one. Now they'll have two. Thank you, my friend! I'll always take an 808 or 888; they make perfectly good catfish / bass reels to learn on.
John, PM me your address again and I will get them out ASAP. Bill
Is anyone smart about when the front lugs appeared on the 9/0?
Thanks
Ted, Mike, Dom or Chris will know. Stand by
Looking at my collection I'm gonna say, super early second gen., maybe '41-ish.
I have one without the two sets (only one skinny set) of lugs but all the rest (6) have two sets. All my first gens have one set of skinny lugs.
Also, I don't have my catalogs handy at the moment, so that's the best I can at the moment.
Hope that helps,
Dom
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on July 17, 2021, 11:33:15 PM
John, I have an 808 and a 404 that has your name written all over them....yours if you want them N/C......Bill
The 404 me and marlo had as a kid and we didn't like it,,,,, :( but the 808 is from the 70's and it is a fantastic reel,, very collectible in the zebco world and still use for catfish today that's what there looking for,,,,,,,,,,, ;D
QuoteIs anyone smart about when the front lugs appeared on the 9/0?
QuoteLooking at my collection I'm gonna say, super early second gen., maybe '41-ish.
I have one without the two sets (only one skinny set) of lugs but all the rest (6) have two sets. All my first gens have one set of skinny lugs.
Also, I don't have my catalogs handy at the moment, so that's the best I can at the moment.
Hope that helps,
Just had this discussion in a private Facebook message and your explanation is pretty right on Dom. Early pre-war second gen models had front lugs (1942, maybe 1941 also) Very hard to say positively when they actually started. No first gen build styles have front lugs. Catalogs not much help here. If you use the catalog as a guide line, Second gen with front lugs does not start until 1949 and we know that is not the case. Between 1941 and 1949, many reels were made in first and second gen configurations. It was a transitionary time. Old parts were getting used up. I feel that first and second gen build styles were being sold at the same time right before the war and right after it. By about 1950, Penn was settled in a solid second gen reel with front lugs, a new logo and parts numbers. Then they stayed that way forever.
Quote from: Benni3 on July 21, 2021, 04:42:44 AM
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on July 17, 2021, 11:33:15 PM
John, I have an 808 and a 404 that has your name written all over them....yours if you want them N/C......Bill
The 404 me and marlo had as a kid and we didn't like it,,,,, :( but the 808 is from the 70's and it is a fantastic reel,, very collectible in the zebco world and still use for catfish today that's what there looking for,,,,,,,,,,, ;D
Well the 404, 808, and a 707, plus 7 lbs of other "goodies" are on their way back east.....this box should keep those youngsters busy for a while....😉
Thanks Mike and Dom,
I recall the gen 2's were introduced pre-war, how about this for a theory based on a 12/0 fact we do have. 12/0 introduced 1937 no lugs, 1938 front lugs appear on the 12/0 so would not have Otto made the change to the 9/0 at the same time? Being the thrifty guy he was the catalog line art remained unchanged for a few years. 1Bad 350 Chris has astutely noted the migration of the drilled arbor from the edge towards the center as time moved on, one of my posted shots shows that location on my reel, would that be a better tell?
Thanks again
Bob
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on July 21, 2021, 04:12:04 PM
Quote from: Benni3 on July 21, 2021, 04:42:44 AM
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on July 17, 2021, 11:33:15 PM
John, I have an 808 and a 404 that has your name written all over them....yours if you want them N/C......Bill
The 404 me and marlo had as a kid and we didn't like it,,,,, :( but the 808 is from the 70's and it is a fantastic reel,, very collectible in the zebco world and still use for catfish today that's what there looking for,,,,,,,,,,, ;D
Well the 404, 808, and a 707, plus 7 lbs of other "goodies" are on their way back east.....this box should keep those youngsters busy for a while....😉
Thanks sir!
It must run in the family :)
Can't beat a deal like that !!
Looks like there's some gold in that group....Bill
I took a inventory .. 2 ] 9/0s 2] 77s 2 ]704z ,4/0 ,67,500, 3/o , 750ss ,550ss ,440ss ,712z , 710 130quick ,440 quick and a oc inductor
2 old compasses , hand winder and a home made mooching reel . I just need to make some time to start cleaning them up ..
Hmmm, if it was my brother he would expect me to fix them up so he could sell 'em, lol.
Not a Penn Reels - just as you find them item...
But.....
These 2 items were in a plastic bag, along with a reel seat and Penn wrenches, which came with a 37 first Gen 12/0 Senator..
I've often opened the bag and sat there and milled things over in my head, but that hurts to much now ;D
There brass, old and about 5 inches long. I've come up with a few radical ideas as to what they are, some inventive, some ridiculous..
But I thought I would share anyways.
The whole package was from Ray's collection, the plastic bag they came in, was neatly tapped down, I can't imagine Ray putting non obscure non fishing reel related items in with the reel seat and bolts etc. I did wonder whether they were for the top clamps, back to a gimble type set up ??
Look, they sure are used and old, no markings or makers names, Can't see any such wonders offered in Penn's catalogues...
Thoughts ???
If they do indeed turn out to be some form of reel clamp/support and specific to a reel someone owns,, then I'm you man...
Interested in anyone's thought..... probably just generic thingy ma bobs, who knows ;D
Could they be rod tie downs that connect to harness lugs?
Shoulder harnesses used to have clips like that. Unlike a snap hook, they can be released under tension when you are being dragged overboard.
Definitely harness lugs. I have the same snaps on an old harness in my shop.
Thanks for the replies...
I found a photo of an old " fighting Harness " which had these clips attached on a long leather strap...
Obviously the first year 12/0 only had the 2 lugs, hence two in the plastic bag.
I don't know whether they were used on this reel or not, it's had little if any use by the looks. But I might try and find one of those pictured harnesses that I saw in a photo and add it to the collection...
Great stuff, learn something new every day....
Col
Col, Clean up the reel, clean up the clips, and display them attached together.
Neat pieces of fishing gone by...
Best
Dom
Done Deal Dom,
Was already on to that ;D
Don't have to many reels left that aren't packed away at the minute, due to our pending sale...
But Yep, I'm happy I gave these harness lugs a good cleaning and now not hidden away in a bag....
Thanks guys
Col
That's neat!
You said it, D!
Looks good to me, Col.
You have some beauties in there I see. :o
Keep it up,
Dom
Thanks guys... I think there a cool piece of history...
Dom, I couldn't pack all my reels away, just left a few favourites out to admire, but, I'm pretty well thinking that these would be the last ones I would want to see go missing, with people coming in for open homes and the like,,, So, they will all have to be packed up and go into storage as well...
I'm going to be Lost !!!!
Col
Looks great Col. I love seeing those pieces from Ray's collection. 8)
Got a Deal or so it was on the Bay and guy shipped it in just a padded envelope .
Needless to say The Post Gorillas made an example of it on How to use a Penn 68 as a Bowling Ball .
I will fix it ...........and he did refund my money and said he allowed the post office to ship it that way as they told him it would be FINE ..... lesson learned he said .
Ya' know, that may have been a good place to break the sideplate. Almost all of the structural integrity is still there. You could probably fish with it that way.
Quote from: oc1 on July 31, 2021, 04:16:15 AM
Ya' know, that may have been a good place to break the sideplate. Almost all of the structural integrity is still there. You could probably fish with it that way.
Ha! Funny but true. I don't think the post office people would tell him that. Ya never know though. New plate or glue the original? Looks like you got alota Dacron line with it.
Quote from: oc1 on July 31, 2021, 04:16:15 AM
Ya' know, that may have been a good place to break the sideplate. Almost all of the structural integrity is still there. You could probably fish with it that way.
It is broken in three pieces right through the Bearing .The only thing holdng them together is the Clicker spring and the chrome ring has a significant bend to it .
I have fixed worse . I have new plates but like a challenge .
There is way too much line on it indeed .
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 31, 2021, 12:08:09 PM
Quote from: oc1 on July 31, 2021, 04:16:15 AM
Ya' know, that may have been a good place to break the sideplate. Almost all of the structural integrity is still there. You could probably fish with it that way.
It is broken in three pieces right through the Bearing .The only thing holdng them together is the Clicker spring and the chrome ring has a significant bend to it .
I have fixed worse . I have new plates but like a challenge .
There is way too much line on it indeed .
OUCH that hurt ..... May have to put a internal ring on the back plate for strength .
This was done way before the super glues came to be !!!!!!
The photo makes it look like that spool cracked open exposing some internal organs or something. It's rough all over but I'm sure you can fix it.
someone has a plate for this 3/0 somewhere; the 111 plate also fits. Throw all the parts in simple green for a couple days to degrease, then into white vinegar for a couple more. What you will end with may not be pretty, but it will be old with a few knockout punches left (like me, lol). I'll send you a clamp set if you dont have one. These reels dont have huge gears, but that one probably has a steel main, so polish the brass washers and put in new carbontex, find a plate and call it done. Much more than that is worth more than the reel, but it will be solid for a lot of things with that done.
John
Jason,
If the spool cleans up and spins true, put on some dacron backing and fish it. I have two old 2/0's (3 piece spools) leadline over dacron on small rods for trolling small to medium stripers and blues. They still fish just fine.
You gonna part with the 130 combo ??? If so I am your man $$$ John Taylor
Hey Bullseye,
You were going to be my source for the butt ;D
Still can be ! If you don't want to part with it !!
Pretty sure I have the older school solid aluminum but with chromed brass reel seat that will fit it. Might have straight and bent version.
Trade him Cutty. That Big buck he's holding has a beautiful rack! Would make a nice addition to your game room! The 130 looks pretty clean and the rod is in great condition.
Quote from: Cuttyhunker on September 06, 2021, 06:51:09 PM
it does have however FIN NOR-TYCOON marked guides that put it in a rather narrow time slot.
What time frame is that. Do those predate the white ones?
Left my Tycoon book in Florida Steve but, I bet Reely or Bullseye can chime in on the brief marriage of the Fin Nor and Tycoon. The reel was built from 72 through 88.
John, any chance you have a double-roller Tycoon stripper laying around?
John
I heard that Tycoon is being reborn. That probably means that someone bought the rights to the name.
That's a nice 130,,,,,,,, ;D
Thanks Benni
Steve, If it is being reborn I hope the quality remains, often not the case of legendary trademarks being bought out and the name returned to the marketplace, ie pre CBS Fender, pre Monterey Blackfin, Pre Remington Parker etc. The "Pre's" made the legend. Hmmmm maybe pre series 2 Penn's?
John is this the stripper guide you're looking for?
Sheridan, yessir. If you're willing to part with it PM a price & shipping. I have a rod built in Morehead City prolly 40-50 years old that wasn't well wrapped, but has aluminum butt with heavy chrome seat (not the Varmac with stamped hoods) and it has all single rollers. Will pair pretty well with a Shimano Triton 50 TTS I have; altho not a period match it will slay.
John
Send me your address, John, on the house.
hmmmm will figure something out :)
Thanks my friend !
Pick up a couple of Penn 10/0 cheap the other day on gumtree, I clean them up and put in the collection.
Kim
Nice find...they look like first generation. And in good shape too. Bill
Brother Bill, 1st Gen. they are not, but still fun to own a couple extra 10/0's. ::)
Enjoy them,
Dom
Hi Kim, I like your two 10/0 senators, you could fish with one, I think they are the same diameter as the 12/0, but a little easier to manage, nice find.
A mate gave me an old Delmar 285M box not long ago, & I brought a reel today, a mate picked it up East of Perth WA, I may not get it till mid December.
this Box has the last price $8:50 on it, not to sure if that is US$ or Aussie Dollars, can anyone tell me when they were first Made.
I also had a Penn 160 given to me last week, the 160 is narrower than the Penn 155 I have, I was expecting it to be the other way around, cheers Don.
Donnyboat
Here's a source on Penn manufacturing runs.
Thanks Bob, very handy, cheers Don.
You guys are getting some good stuff !
A little crusty but nice 10/0's. Do they have aluminum spools? Hard to tell in the picture
They are metal spools they didn't make 10/0 with aluminium spools but it would of good if they did .thanks everyone for your replies.
Kim
Mystic sells them, thought you might have gotten lucky. Nice reels either way
Still crusty but now shiny crusty not to bad for a $50 reel
Kim
That cleaned up great, heck of a job!
Ay Kim that looks great, I paid AU$50 for my senator 10/0 as well, cheers Don.
Fifty is a steal for that reel- AD, USD or even English pounds...
not mine, but this is the 1st time I have a 6/0 with box /papers from the original owner for service.
yay!! the reel feels like if its filled with playDoh clay instead of grease, pretty sure I will find the original Penn grease from 1975 solidified
I dont know if you can see it, the reel cost was $58.99 ;D
Tell him I will refund his Purchase price and a Bird Dog Fee for you . ;D
Can a penn reel be dated by the price listed on the box? (If the box still exists)
I haven't thought about Fed-Mart in a long, long time. Use to get food there while grandma shopped. Bought a bunch of tackle there with the Old Man.
Thanks, that is a great memory.
The Man
Quote from: Ron Jones on October 27, 2021, 07:18:22 PM
Thanks, that is a great memory.
The Man
You're welcome Ron, I also had good memories when I saw the ticket on the box, Fed-mart was the place where my Dad bought us (me and two brothers) our 1st game console, the mighty Atari 2600, good times.
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on October 27, 2021, 07:07:29 PM
Can a penn reel be dated by the price listed on the box? (If the box still exists)
Yes, assuming the reel is original to that box.
Alex, the catalogs you have are not same year as the sales receipt, but still are likely correct for this reel. Some stores took a while to sell thier stockpiles, so no surprise reel has a 1976 catalog and a 1978 sales receipt
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 27, 2021, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on October 27, 2021, 07:07:29 PM
Can a penn reel be dated by the price listed on the box? (If the box still exists)
Yes, assuming the reel is original to that box.
Alex, the catalogs you have are not same year as the sales receipt, but still are likely correct for this reel. Some stores took a while to sell thier stockpiles, so no surprise reel has a 1976 catalog and a 1978 sales receipt
As far as I know there are still two US 114HLWs with
the factory full cage aluminum frame at the counter of the Kaneohe NEX. Last I checked they were $200.00 apiece.
The Man
Nice find Chris !! Pretty nice shape to ! Congrats John Taylor
Nice one, Chris !
Saweeet !!
Hi Chris
Nice find - Once again I also have one of those !!
It is interesting that both are the 300yd versions - usually alot harder to find. What is also interesting is that the 1933 Bayside is a very rare item, but we now have at least 2 kingfisher/penn clones.
I think Col(milne) and Mike C hade a discussion on this site about the model no's and appropriate boxes - I seem to remember that Col found the correct box for this model.
I will have to re-read the thread - I think it is in the Penn trade reel section.
Cheers
Martin
Martin I read that thread about Cols box and it made my head spin so much info to absorb. LOL
This reel here seems to be a 250yd version.
Hi Chris,
It all made my head spin too - was hoping you could decipher it for me!!
From what I can make out we have model Pacific 4047/4048 and Col has the box that goes with my reel.
I will have to sell this reel to you one day, and if you can twist Col's arm then that would make an awesome display!!
Cheers
Martin
Martin if your reel is the one I'm thinking of, you beat me by about 5 seconds ;D
Chris ...you are probably right....5 seconds is about all I am good for these days!
Hi Chris/Martin, Sorry I missed this thread.
Absolutely great find Chris, very envious.
My reels are all packed away at the minute, so I can't check.
It was a real head @@@@, when I was trying to find out what my kingfisher box was matched too. Plus made even more unusual, with another number underneath the Tyron sticker. From memory, the number under the sticker, related to a 300 yd Seaford...
I think from memory, I have 2 33 Seaford and a 33 Longbeach Kingfisher ( from memory).
Everything has been packed away now for about 6 weeks, you don't realise, how often you pick them up and have a wee play, or grab one of Mike's books when you see something on line or just to refresh your memory. everything will probably stay in storage for another 6 odd weeks, at least..... Even my wife said that I could have a " special day " on my own, when I un pack them again ;D.....
Hope all is well with you Martin over the pond ???
Again, great score Chris...
Col
Wow, you know that one's seen some action!
Playing around with the reel I just realized it has a seascape tail plate, I had thought all the Gen 1's had no artwork?? Is this just a franken reel built from misc parts or something else from the factory?
Cool find Bob! Its a frankenreel but who cares, it's cool!!
Hi Bob,
I agree with Chris - it is a frankenreel - the tail plate has probably been broken and replaced with parts from a later reel, the handle is also from an early'40's reel.
I always think that these old reels are the ones that created the Penn legend - they just kept on keeping on, as they were designed to do!!
Great score, time for it to retire gracefully!!
Cheers
Martin
I agree with Chris and Martin
...also love the knob that almost resembles a turd (please note I said "almost")
Ted
Good find!
Lovely,
Everyone has there on opinions about this, but I would at least give it a bath before it goes on the shelf. I agree with the as is, those incorrect parts only come from honest work.
The Man
Every time I gaze upon that knob Theodore, I'll be thinking only of you. ;D
The whole tail plate side must have been totaled somewhere down the line and the reel resurrected like Lazarus.
Martin, I thought the later gen 1's came the torpedo. I understand it was common for the buyers to scrap the black wooden knobs for Penn or aftermarket torpedos. My first year 12/0 passed down from Gramps was spotted to be an aftermarket torpedo handle by Bullseye, no oiler hole. Penn, being good at listening to the customers, I thought had changed to the torpedo for the later Gen 1 reels, and is correct for those later factory versions??
Hi Bob,
Your reel has the logo style used from 1936 - 1938, with those parallel lines ie your reel is from '36 to 38. They also came with those pear shaped handles, that must have been difficult to grasp and turn with a 'big fish on!', because lots of them got changed to the later handle style, which was available as an after market addition from your friendly Penn retailer!!
The first year 1936 9/0's had brass gears, changed in 1937 to steel, so if you ever get into the gearbox you will be able to determine more precisely what year/model you have.
That spool looks in good nick - it should have a drilled spool - the '36 reels had the hole closer to the left side plate - by 1938 Penn had moved the hole to about 3/4in from the L/side plate -ie slightly more central.
Hope that helps!!
Martin
Thanks Martin,
I suspect the reel was dropped or otherwise smashed up pretty severely on the tail plate side and restored with post 1951 parts, as the rod clamp (so far) is numbered, I'll check the inner front lug cut ring for numbers and report what main gear material when I open it up. I was unaware of the brass vs steel for 36 and 37.
The spool spins freely with no hitches in the rotation however is quite slopppy side to side movement with the tail bushing tightened down, so when I get it stripped of the mono I'll see where, or if the arbor is drilled. I wonder if newer spools had slightly shorter axles?
Best Wishes,
Bob
Can't help you with exact dating Chris ( everythings packed away), but your guestimate sounds about right....
But Hey,, That looks in really sweet condition, Very nice indeed Sir..
Martin will be all over this, his mind is an encyclopedia !!! I'm consistently taking notes when he makes comments ( and others ) and you guessed it, my notes are with everything else, packed away.. ;D
Nice find..
Col
Hi Chris,
Nice find again - I reckon you are right in your estimate.
I have 2 1st year, 1938 4/0s, - I don't have that first gen, 1939 - 40, new logo style model to provide continuity. (this flaw in my character is one I strive daily to resolve!!)
I have three pre -war, 2nd gen 4/0's - the Hex clicker model with yardage stamped on the foot -"400YDS", wood handle, drilled spool, etc.
The other two I have always assumed were later 1941/42 models - no yardage, one with a drilled spool, one with a post.
That handle grip on your reel is very similar in size, shape and color to those I have found on late 1940, early 1941 #49's, and #149's.
So - as above, I would date it as a late 1940, early '41 reel.
I would love to see photo's of that 1st gen, 1939 -'40 model - they are a hard find.
Cheers
martin
That's the same as one I have Chris, Nice.
Guy's, one of the hardest reels I've tried to find, is a non numbered 3/0 with box, been very frustrating, I've missed out on a few.
Just to fill a gap, as I didn't even have a later one, I got this boxed 50's version, as my stuff is packed, could those knowledgeable, give me a year on this one. It will stay on the shelf till I score a non numbered, it has line on, but is in pristine condition. I'll buy a more used version eventually as I'd love to mod one and use it......
Sorry to pop this in inbetween your question to Martin Chris....
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 08, 2021, 10:28:37 PM
Martin is this is the 1939-40 you are talking about?
Gorgeous reel, Chris!
Hi Chris,
Thank you - that's a truely lovely reel - Well done. Photo's of reels are great, but there's nothing like holding them in your hands and 'giving them a twirl". Every time I reach out to grab that reel the screen gets in the way!!
The photo's do raise a couple of questions - Is there any yardage stamp on the foot? - Penn rates the 4/0 as holding "400YDS' of No12 line - both my 1938 models have no yardage.
Also - that reel has a waffle clicker as found on most models until late 1939. Does that mean there is a 1st gen, early 1940 model with the 'Kiss" clicker? Oh no, am I missing 2 models?
Hi Col.
Thank you for your kind words - I hope all is well with you and your whanau.
That Senator box is a post 1955 box.
From 1949 until and including 1955 Penn printed "Fair trade Price" in the bottom left corner - after 1955 they just had "List Price"
Something else to note - that "Penn Reels" logo in the bottom right corner first appeared in 1952 - and in the first 3 years of the '50's the model No. was printed above the model name.
Martin
Martin it does make me wonder several things about the order in which the 4/0 progresses.
We have non-marked stand/marked stand/unmarked again? ...
knurled counterweight/smooth counterweight/stacked counterweight....
internal drag/external drag/internal again...
Waffle clicker/hex clicker/kiss clicker
That said, I'm wondering if we should continue this in the "Penn Senators from the beginning" topic?
:o I wouldn't think there too many out there, like that !
Wow that's quite an impressive first post! Welcome to the site!
John Taylor............Stop it !!
You just made me spill my coffee over my key pad ;D
Beautiful Sir...
Col
John, you are a show off....but me likey !!
Gee John, cant get better than that, thanks for showing us, cheers Don.
Thanks all !!! That is one of my 4 top Penn reels. I am gonna take some pictures of a little bit bigger one I think you will like this weekend. John Taylor
Good God that is about as perfect of a reel as you can get. Just WOW
John WOW thanks for showing
Kim
Ok folks, nothing to see here but good job of photoshop. Slowly back away from your computer and forget you ever saw this reel ;)
John, I believe in the 4th photo I saw a speck of dust in the lower right hand corner. By looking at that reel, if I didn't know better, I would swear you went to the factory and carried it home! Fantastic find!!
Yep you need to have that one ...... Bronzed ;D
:o
Holy moly!
Man, Don't get better than that.
Real nice package, John.
Lets see the 12/0. If it's in that kinda shape, Wow-ee!
Best
Dom
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 14, 2021, 12:01:17 AM
Ok folks, nothing to see here but good job of photoshop. Slowly back away from your computer and forget you ever saw this reel ;)
HaHaHa, that made me chuckle...
Agree with everyone, that is an astonishingly great conditioned reel right there.... :o
Thanks for sharing John, Beautiful reel...
Col
Thanks for comments !! I will post the 12/0 in a couple weeks ! John Taylor
By gee Mr eye, you have a good eye, what a great find, thanks for posting, cheers Don.
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 14, 2021, 12:01:17 AM
Ok folks, nothing to see here but good job of photoshop. Slowly back away from your computer and forget you ever saw this reel ;)
LOL !!!!!
Seriously ?? How is anyone gonna post something "cool" when you post pics of a 1st year boxed 12/0 with no front lugs and pencil knob handle ?? My stuff next to yours would be like a truckload of gold nuggets next to a pile of dog poo
That handle in that size is new to me, of course, I have zero shelf queens and don't know much of Penn history except what I get pounded into my head from Ted (something about Ford?)
Lovely reels there my friend.
Ronald Jones
OK John, that's enough... I know what you did. You found a manufacturer that was willing to build new reels for you that look like old reels. These :P :P cannot be real reels, really!!!
Insane, John! The box condition is really nutso!
They must have been sitting next to Stalin since the early 50's in that glass tomb.
Glad they found a good home.
Thanks for showing,
Dom
Quote from: 54bullseye on November 13, 2021, 09:11:50 PMHere is one "Just as I found it " I got it with a first gen 12/0 with box and a 16/0 Ocean City 616 with the box and a pull handle on it !! Enjoy ! John Taylor
Can you describe how you felt when your eyes first beheld these beauties, realizing you had a shot at buying them? :o
Believe me I had to pay up for them LOL !!!! The 16/0 Ocean City 616 is really nice to. I will take some pics to post soon. Thanks for the praise !!! John Taylor
My "Main Man" fishing buddy just arrived on the island , on Tuesday. He knows I have a "thing" for Penn reels, and picked up a couple at a yard sale, in his neighborhood (Port Huron, Mi.), and gifted them to me ! That's pretty neat, in itself, but, they are 113HLW's...two of them, both on Senator 6, and aa half foot, roller rods ! A matched set, and neither looks like they were ever fished ! All the paperwork, manuals, and tags are with them, too! I tried posting some pix, but they don't seem to "stick', so I'll try again with the pix, later. I do need to change the line on at least one of the combo's, as the mono (looks to be about 40#), is pretty stiff, although it doesn't seem to be "flaking into powder". Probably use braided line, maybe 50#, and as much as it will take to fill that wide spool....I better start saving my money !
Wow, what a friend! Sure would like to see the photos.
* You know, you can open a free email account (MS, Yahoo, etc) and they come with plenty of cloud storage space where you can store photos. You can then link the images to your posts here. That works!
Arlyn, your "main man" fishing buddy is worth his weight in gold !!
You are correct ! He's been a good friend, and fishing buddy for ten years! We met on the beach, here on the island, struck up an amazing friendship, that seems to "overlook" our differences, and "magnify" our similarities! It just proves that you meet the best kind of people while fishing !
Quote from: Crow on February 05, 2022, 03:52:03 PM
My "Main Man" fishing buddy just arrived on the island , on Tuesday. He knows I have a "thing" for Penn reels, and picked up a couple at a yard sale, in his neighborhood (Port Huron, Mi.), and gifted them to me ! That's pretty neat, in itself, but, they are 113HLW's...two of them, both on Senator 6, and aa half foot, roller rods ! A matched set, and neither looks like they were ever fished ! All the paperwork, manuals, and tags are with them, too! I tried posting some pix, but they don't seem to "stick', so I'll try again with the pix, later. I do need to change the line on at least one of the combo's, as the mono (looks to be about 40#), is pretty stiff, although it doesn't seem to be "flaking into powder". Probably use braided line, maybe 50#, and as much as it will take to fill that wide spool....I better start saving my money !
Here are a few photos from Crow, I'll let him tell us more....
AND for the visually impaired, like me, here is a close-up of the rod line weights.
Wayne
Very Nice!
Thanks , again, for posting those, Wayne !!
Holy cow, that's a heck of a gift! Now you're gonna have to get out on the ocean to put 'em to the test. ;D
Quote from: Crow on February 06, 2022, 05:47:26 PM
Thanks , again, for posting those, Wayne !!
Crow! My pleasure to assist. Easy to do, and DONE.
Wayne
I freed up the roller guide,(have the tip to do, yet), and pulled the mono from one of the combo's, pulled it down far enough to give the gearing and drag washers a once over, and grease job, and have some braid "coming". When that gets "done", I'm ready to do some "rig fishing". It's been so windy(and rough!0 that us "fair weather sailors" haven't been out to the rigs yet! I will say that the surf fishing, this year, has been disappointing....nobody is getting much action, and those "real sailors', that have been out to the rigs and reefs, haven't been exactly tearing them up, either . I would like to get out, into the "deep water" reefs, but it's doubtful that will happen, this year.....It's a shame to waste those wide spools on 50'60 feet of water :D
Well, it's been a while since I've added anything, So...
Been on the hunt for a while now for one of these.
Thankyou, ( To you know who ) for this opportunity, It's another crossed off the list..
Col
Nice !!
Score !! :d
Good addition... a tough reel to find with the "A" designation on the plate.
Congrats Col,
Dom
Nice reel Col! Happy to see this thread staying alive.
Thanks Guys,
Was sure happy snaring this one for the shelf.
Yes, it has been a tad quiet on here of late Chris, I still look regularly, but seems there's not to many bargains to be had of late. F/Book seems to be the BIG go to now a days, a lot of newish collectors going hard there, hence prices seem to have sky rocketed.. Haven't yet hit any local markets where we moved to yet, but looking forward to scouring them for a potential bargain, once where settled in a bit more...
Col
Nice to see some action on this Penn thread !!! Been pretty slow lately. Nice reel Col !! John Taylor
Love those 49As! Great score Col! 8)
It's been a good week. I bought two 525 MAG's and a 955 off of OfferUp. I've been looking for a 525 for a good while now. The 955 wasn't a reel that was on my radar, but you don't see these pop up very often, and I just couldn't help myself. I'm a sucker for quality round baitcasters.
all nice reels!
Good catch !
Quote from: Jenx on May 04, 2022, 09:01:33 PMThe 955 wasn't a reel that was on my radar, but you don't see these pop up very often, and I just couldn't help myself. I'm a sucker for quality round baitcasters.
Gotta love those round baitcasters. The gold finish on that 955 is gorgeous. Good find.
Quote from: nelz on May 05, 2022, 01:28:05 AMGotta love those round baitcasters. The gold finish on that 955 is gorgeous. Good find.
Thanks. It is a nice looking reel. I prefer this shade of gold to that of the calcutta's.
I was a bit hesitant to buy this reel, as I have heard some mixed reviews on them. I've seen multiple complaints about the eccentric button and the levelwind failing on these, and I even ran across an old post on a different forum where Alan admits he's not a big fan of these reels (corrosion issues).
For now I plan on using this exclusively for freshwater, and hopefully I get a chance soon to see how it fishes.
Good score. Of course we all know how to deal with corrosion, just a dad will do ya'. Bill
NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE! 525Mag a fav, respooling mine today. ALWAYS wanted an INT caster too. If you decide you don't need any of them, lemme know :)
Quote from: thorhammer on May 06, 2022, 03:30:12 PMNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE! 525Mag a fav, respooling mine today. ALWAYS wanted an INT caster too. If you decide you don't need any of them, lemme know :)
I'm pleasantly surprised by the 525. I mostly bought them out of curiosity. I figured they could make inexpensive backups for my Fathoms.I took one to the park the other day to see how it casts, and once I got the breaks dialed in I was effortlessly hitting 100 yards every cast (4oz on 11' rod).
It looks like my Fathoms have some competition now.
Good catch !
the bridge plate is not stainless. it's chrome over brass. :-\
That's what I expected, but it sounded different when tapped with a screwdriver and was slightly magnetic.... I will check it again..
Nice find Bill. Just the spool is $25
Well I found my summertime rainy day project over near Daytona just before I came back up to New England. A deal with the skipper of a 60' megabuck sport fisherman. 40 in all, not a shelf queen in the lot, some set up for electric power. Mostly Senators, 9, 6, and 4/0's a few misc conventional rigs and a lone 6500. The TLD's were gone. I think for the first time the reels I have is approaching the number of rods (not counting the broken ones) in the pile. Unattended milk crates be wary.
Those will keep you busy, for a while !!
Quote from: Bill B on May 17, 2022, 09:43:42 PMHard to pass up a $14 jigmaster with aluminum spool, chromed bridge, and carbon fiber drags. Found this in a thrift store in Palm Springs. Doesn't look like it's ever been opened with the gummy factory grease still intact. It may have been used a couple times in salt water with some corrosion on the foot and bars. Maybe the Salton Sea when it was still nice. Bill
After opening the reel up I discovered a factory stainless steel bridge part number 3-500S...never knew Penn had a SS bridge for these.
WOW! Great find. I've been looking for a Jigmaster with the red sideplate that says "MADE IN PHILA, PA" (because I was too).
Good Ohana deal, on the 49, and rod! Ya' gotta' love this place !
You sure do find some neat stuff, Chris !!
Wow, beautiful box too, doesn't get better than that
Wow, that's a great score Chris, Congrats...
Col
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 31, 2015, 11:29:37 PMMany moons ago I found a 1933 Penn Long Beach. It was rough, so rough that I felt I had to name this reel. I named it, "The Ugly Long Beach". I still resides in my collection. I will never sell it. As you can imagine, they are not beating down my door to buy it, so not selling it was never a problem. Here is my old and abused Long Beach as I found it in 2006.
I had been collecting for a short time. As a new collector, the 1933 reels were the most elusive Penn reels to find, so this ugly old Long Beach looked like a gem to me. It did not come cheap, if I remember right, I paid about $150 for it. I was happy to find it, no matter what the cost. In my mind it was rare.
For those that do not know me, I am not the kind of collector that places condition in the number one spot. My priority is always the piece! A rare reel is rare, even if it is ugly.
So, I decided to clean this reel. I broke it down and am happy to report that old dog of a reel was all original.
After cleaning and reassembly, guess what. It runs like new, the drags are good, the clicker is good, it spins nice, quiet, smooth and fast. This reel could be lined and still catch fish on any day of the week. At 82 years old, it cold still be put to work.
All those years of dirt, grime and that famous saltwater green are gone, along with most of the chrome.
The side plates have that sandblasted style that I love.
And the stand has a mixture of chrome and brass that creates patina that is impossible to duplicate. What really adds character is the Bakelite chipped handle boss, a very common condition with these 1933 models.
Yup, this is a reel that is what it is, clean, fully functioning and still Ugly. But it is my first 1933 Long Beach and no matter what the offers are, I refuse to part with it.
.
Hi Mike, I know this is an old thread, thought I'd give it a try. I recently bought a Penn 65 at an estate sale that looks like your 1933 Long Beach. Except, it says patented on the head plate. I see yours say patent pending. I'm thinking it is a mid 1930. I have your 3 books great read. What year do you think it came out? Thanks, Steve
Hi Steve,
An interesting question!!
Penn introduced the Longbeach in 1933. All these early reels had the 'Patent pending' logo, which Penn used until 1938.
However, in 1935, Penn introduced the small Longbeach series #61, #62, which came with the 'Patented' logo.
In 1936, the new LB66 also had the new 'patented' logo.
From there things got a little 'mixed up'. I have found LB 60's and 65's with both logo's over the 1937 -38 production run. They seem to have mixed up their mold plugs, because I also have several examples of the 'Patent Pending' logo used on the smaller LB #62, #63's.
By 1939 Penn had changed the logo and all the LB's were "Pat'd".
So, from the description of the logo on your reel I would guess that it is from that 1937 -38 time period.
Note - there are lots of other clues to determine more precisely the age of your reel - stamped reel seat etc.
Hope that helps
Martin
I just got this LB 60. It has no #'s other than on the gear cover plate. It came to me with what appeared to be a mixture of nickel and chrome-plated parts. I had a pair of correct rings in better condition, as well as posts so that's what you see here. I wanted to replace the stand but didn't have a "square" one.
It cleaned up into fair condition, but I question the handle. While it is an older handle, shouldn't a waffle clicker be accompanied by a wood handle?
Is this reel correct?
Hi Shellbelly,
You reely are heading off down the rabbit hole - have fun!!
That reel above IMHO is a mixture of 2 reels. The tail plate is from the early 1938 - end 1939, as found in LB's, Seagates and Baysides from those 2 years.
The rest of the reel, I believe from what I can see, is from 1946. At some stage the original tail plate may have been dropped/broken and been replaced with an earlier plate.
Penn used that plain, unmarked counterweight on the med sized LB's (and others) from mid 1941, 1942, and then after the War, in 1946. After that came the '3 stack C/w.
From your photo the plastic spool would seem to have a smooth, sculptured join between the arbor and the flange - if so then that is correct for the reel/year - 1946!
If it has a little ridge around the arbor/flange join then it is a pre war 1941,42 year.
Hope that helps!
Thank you! I appreciate this. It sounds like what I have here is a donor reel. I suspected it wasn't correct as assembled, but the parts are important to me and that's why I picked it up. The reel didn't appear to be thrown together for selling. The old grease was pretty well molded to everything. I'm happy with what I got and it might help produce a correct model someday.
All, I didn't intend to hijack this thread but hoped to focus on and compare the various LB's we have. The original post starts pretty close to the beginning of the model.
Nice looking combo !
Thanks guys, does anyone have info about the St Croix rod? Never knew they were in the big game biz.
Thanks
I have a couple 130 lb St Croix rods but there black with maroon wraps on Mildrum roller guides. I hadn't seen one like yours. John Taylor
St Croix rods "should" have a number just above the handle. Sometimes this gets covered by a custom grip. I searched for their big game rods and didn't come up with anything like yours. I don't know when they started using the urethane filler. That might be a search angle to explore. Seems it would be a notable innovation a company would advertise. Some of the rod guys may remember when this technique started.
In any event, that is a great looking rig.
Hi there,
An interesting reel - IMHO this reel is also a mixture of two - the main reel (sideplates etc, no front lugs) are from a late 1940/early 1941 model, the first of the 2nd Gen 9/0's, and the handle and spool are from the mid/late fifties. The spool is a one piece - introduced by Penn in 1954/55. The correct spool should be a 3piece, with a drilled hole in the arbor.
Cheers
Martin
The inside "no notch" chromed rings alone are probably worth the asking price. Last spring I had acquired a gen 1 with the incorrect sailfish artwork and one inside notched ring, probably dropped and broken in the past, I cannibalized a 41 in my stash to make the gen 1 correct for the shelf. My now incorrect 41 with a new 5 stack drag is going fishing for school blues and yellowfins next season. So, like yours I'll be sporting a frankenreel for sure. Besides the spool and handle your sailfish tailplate came from a later time. I wonder what happened to yours back in the day?
Hi Cuttyhunker,
Whilst Penn was making that 'no front lug', first of the 2nd gen 9/0's they added that sailfish engraving - ie they can be found with and without the engraving. So - for all those deep down the rabbit hole you need both to complete the set!!
I have 2 of each!!
Cheers
Martin
Cool. thanks for the info.
Quote from: Deepennz on October 29, 2022, 05:44:24 PMor all those deep down the rabbit hole you need both to complete the set!!
Don't forget about the "sideways logo" reels. :D Although I haven't seen a single lug 9/0 with that anomaly.
Your getting a heck of a Penn collection Chris !!! Congrats !!! John
Beautiful reel, super clean
Really nice Pre war 2nd gen Chris. Price on box is 1939-42
Very nice set up,,,,,, ;D
Here's a few pictures of a Bridge City that I inherited from my dad, decades ago. I believe it's about 1936 vintage and has no part numbers.
This reel was hanging in the rafters of our carport when I was a kid in the '60s and was retired and no longer working. About five years ago I found alantani.com and got motivated to get these old reels working again, and have restored most of the gear to working condition.
A few years ago, I broke down this reel to make sure I could get all the screws loose and do some minimal lubrication, but left the head plate and handle assembly intact. To my surprise, this got the reel working again, except when putting it into gear from freespool, it partially hangs up.
I would like to get this reel back to full working condition again and clean off the existing corrosion and leave it in working reel condition. I've been working on a few Penn conventional reels lately, and have saved a few old used leather drag washers and think I have the right dog spring for this vintage. I'm planning to give the spool, stand, handle, etc, the vinegar soak to clean them up.
I'm open to any suggestions or advice on restoring this old of a Penn, since I've only worked on 1950s and later Penns.
Jon
Great reel. Be careful on the vinegar soak. I've had some early Penn reel parts turn pink for some reason unknown to me. Maybe someone knows and can explain it
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 17, 2023, 02:09:49 AMGreat reel. Be careful on the vinegar soak. I've had some early Penn reel parts turn pink for some reason unknown to me. Maybe someone knows and can explain it
When brass gets older and corrodes it can undergo a process called dezincification, a process in which zinc is lost and
the copper is left behind. Mild dezincification may cause a cosmetic change, mainly, the color of the surface turning from yellow to pink. Severe dezincification can lead to the weakening of brass and its performance. I have seen brass nuts crack after being soaked in vinegar. A lot of the early Penn parts have a high concentration of copper in them. Some of the early spinning reel A/R dawgs look like copper. The pink cast can be buffed off/out with 3M Scotch Brite Pads, but do it carefully.
Thanks Chris and Tommy for the warning on a vinegar soak.
I had a similar result when I soaked an old chromed brass reel seat I wanted to reuse in rebuilding an old rod. When I scrubbed it after a short soak, it looked like it turned a copper color, but when washed off, it was a decent solid brass finish.
Jon
Nice work!
Yes, very nice! Wonder what coulda happened to the gears...?
Beautiful job, thanks for posting the final pics, cheers Don.
That looks great!
Great job!
Thanks for the comments everybody.
The gear teeth were worn so thin that they appear to have rolled over and almost folded. Maybe a steel pinion may have prevented that but they probably lasted 20-30 years of my dads use with little to no servicing. Believe it or not, the reel would still crank with the gears in that shape!
Jon
It's a nice one!
I have plates and rings....just need the rest of it! :D
I got my first LH reel today. Very clean outside with a decent LH box. No goodies. It has an early-style side plate with LH in the logo. I removed the mono line and found the spool in very good condition. I believe the reel has been used at least once. Based on the side plate and the "no-zip code" box indicating monofilament, my guess is early to mid-60s.
It spins well, but the eccentric is not rotating. I expect (hope) original grease to be the problem.
Beautiful and rare reel!
Best, Fred
Thank you, Fred. I had been watching it for almost 2 months. The title of the listing made it obscure and that's why it sat so long.....or I was supposed to get it.
It's always interesting to look inside. This reel is appealing on the outside, but the inside was not so much the same. The old stuff is Lubriplate, Rig, lithium....who knows. It was serviced though and put away in working order decades ago.
The eccentric was stuck because the pinion was also stuck. It appeared that the sleeve pin was missing but the sleeve wouldn't come off. I discovered a second hole and the pin after some head-scratching and more sludge removal. Two pins or just two holes, pick one? I don't know.
Here's the exploded view, pretty much just as I found it.
Quote from: Shellbelly on March 15, 2023, 08:46:12 PMThank you, Fred. I had been watching it for almost 2 months. The title of the listing made it obscure and that's why it sat so long.....or I was supposed to get it.
It's always interesting to look inside. This reel is appealing on the outside, but the inside was not so much the same. The old stuff is Lubriplate, Rig, lithium....who knows. It was serviced though and put away in working order decades ago.
The eccentric was stuck because the pinion was also stuck. It appeared that the sleeve pin was missing but the sleeve wouldn't come off. I discovered a second hole and the pin after some head-scratching and more sludge removal. Two pins or just two holes, pick one? I don't know.
Here's the exploded view, pretty much just as I found it.
OK what sleeve pin are you talking about ?
Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 15, 2023, 09:37:36 PMOK what sleeve pin are you talking about ?
Well, I can't seem to find a description or part # in my catalogs. :-\ It's the brass pin that you have to remove before you can take the sleeve off of the bridge post. Look just below the pinion yoke in the photo below.
All the parts are ready for reassembly.
"You can't judge a book by its cover". Ha!🤪. No, I'll bet it cleans-up real nice. Was the pinion corroded onto the shaft?
I have those little sleeve pins, and could send you a few in an envelope. N/C, PM me if want 'em, no sense ordering just those with shipping costs. Never seen that double pin-hole in a Penn before. You actually prolly only need one pin. Maybe a 2nd hole is for in-case one wears out...?
What'er the drags made outta?
My 209 was in such good condition, almost NIB, I fished it a couple of times, cleaned it up again, and now it's shelfie with all the goodies.
Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 15, 2023, 09:37:36 PMOK what sleeve pin are you talking about ?
More on this, Joe. I went back through catalogs. Found diagrams on pages 24, 25 in the large-size #13 catalog. It is called a Lock Pin. :D Penn did NOT have this in their parts lists or indicate a # in any of the other catalogs I have. >:( In addition, Mystic does show this pin in many of their schematics. :D Mystic does not give it a name or #. >:( I suppose Penn assumed that these were easy enough to be made by anyone who needed one....which would be TRUE back in that time. Brazing was a very common repair practice then and brass rods of all sizes were available in almost every town....so were appropriately sized trim nails. While we're at it, what I've been calling a sleeve is actually a Ratchet Bushing. I didn't know that either....SO, "ratchet bushing lock pin" is our lesson for this exercise, My Man! More learnin' is cool. If you hadn't asked, I would not have ever known. 8). See photo below. Note only one hole is shown.
Quote from: Gfish on March 16, 2023, 05:29:34 AMWas the pinion corroded onto the shaft?
It wasn't corroded, fortunately. Just cemented by that white grease. A couple of drops of solvent and it slid off. The drags are leather. I looked at the other #155 bridges I have and all have only one hole in the sleeve....ratchet bushing. Another Penn thing, I guess. Maybe just the LH part was made that way. I don't have another LH to compare it with. I'll send you a PM and THank you!
Well, the reel is back in working order now. It was more entertaining than routine for me. Not being left-handed was a fun disadvantage. You who are professionals must be ambidextrous because I flopped this thing around a bunch in reassembly. I hope you charge extra for LH work.
I replaced the pawls and dog spring. The spring had been smashed. I wanted to replace the eccentric spring, but it's LH. Note that the plates don't have the little "??indexing tab??" that would fit into a corresponding hole in each ring. Netz and I have had discussions about this thing.
Anyhow, I'm glad to have this addition and it was fun to work on. Joe made me learn more stuff again.
I have run across a few sleeves with two pin holes, but only 1 ever lines up. More experience folks than I will most likely explain why; I always just assumed that it was a situation where a particular part# sleeve would fit multiple models of reels with different bridge assemblies and possible different slot positions on the bridge post, but that is only a guess. - john
I've seen a few gear sleeves with 2 holes as well. I figured two possibilities, like John said for different models or they put the hole in the wrong spot and added a second so as not to waste a good gear sleeve
That part of the gear (where the ears go) is super duper thin on most of the 30's reels. Corrosion on thin brass like that won't take long to create that crack. Really nice job on the cleaning. Enjoy the hobby!
Best,
Dom
Quote from: Swami805 on March 16, 2023, 09:26:29 PMlike John said for different models or they put the hole in the wrong spot and added a second so as not to waste a good gear sleeve
Somebody will show up and explain it someday. It could have been a misdirection from engineering that resulted in a run of hundreds of these before it was caught and corrected. The holes in the example above appear to be at the same elevation on the sleeve. I didn't try both sets to see if they both work.
Quote from: broadway on March 17, 2023, 12:03:17 AMThat part of the gear (where the ears go) is super duper thin on most of the 30's reels.
Yes it is very thin! This one is steel and one side was open for most of the length of the slot. The other side had a small hole in the slot. I see it often. I think play in the machining process may have created some of the holes we find in the smaller main gears.
Thank you, it's always fun.
Quote from: steelfish on March 17, 2023, 12:57:54 AMthis one will be pretty hard to find the right sideplate.
I'll bet somebody will come up with something. Pretty crafty bunch in here.
Quote from: Shellbelly on March 17, 2023, 12:39:49 AMQuote from: Swami805 on March 16, 2023, 09:26:29 PMlike John said for different models or they put the hole in the wrong spot and added a second so as not to waste a good gear sleeve
Somebody will show up and explain it someday. It could have been a misdirection from engineering that resulted in a run of hundreds of these before it was caught and corrected. The holes in the example above appear to be at the same elevation on the sleeve. I didn't try both sets to see if they both work.
Let me kick the can :
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/98-155LH.aspx
Another beauty of a find Chris, on fire is an understatement, seems like every weekend brings another gem
Quote from: Swami805 on March 18, 2023, 07:52:29 PMAnother beauty of a find Chris, on fire is an understatement, seems like every weekend brings another gem
Thanks!!!
That's pristine. One heck of a flea market. Is there an RV park across the street from it? A month in that place and I'd be done for a while!
That's a great one, Chris!
Looking at the price on the Lighthouse box raises a question. Most of the price is scratched off, but you can see it ends in .50.
So the box is either 1938 $27.50, which we know the reel can't be, or 1946-49 $32.50 which it shouldn't be based on knurled counterweight and hole in the spool.
Maybe this box didn't originally contain this reel?
Oh well, a little extra scratch will take care of that LOL
Dam nice find Chris. Congrats ! John
I bet that reel is made of german silver and might surprisingly polish up. JVH and Conroy stamp is cool and scarce (I think)
Just scored a bunch with a keeper off of facebook. Do you see it?
Hi,
Is that a '38-'39 Penn 49 in the top right?
Quote from: Deepennz on April 08, 2023, 04:34:16 AMIs that a '38-'39 Penn 49 in the top right?
I can't make out the clicker type! What's the second from the top left?
Deep you win the grand prize......A free lifetime membership to AlanTani.Com.
The 49 clicker didn't seem to be a "kiss, so I downloaded the photo and after blowing it up, was almost certain it was a waffle. It doesn't take much to keep one amused in retirement so I took the 2 hour drive across Florida to Daytona and sure enough, a waffle, I'll post some more pix after it gets a much needed bath
Shelly 2nd from top left is a numbered 155
Top row; Bronson, 155, 65, 85, 114h, 49
Bottom; Mitchell, O/C, O/C, and an almost 6/0 sized Pflueger
The Bronson has no markings, and I have read the California versions have some value, the mid west ones not so much, is there any way to tell which this one is?
It's about time someone grabbed that lot.
Great score dude!!
Thanks Clet,
The Pfleuger is destined to go offshore for some school tuna I think this coming summer, after a service job, it really has a solid tight feel about it compared to most other reels, kind of like an AR next to an AK. You do range far and wide in your searches, but no surprise there having watched the scores you come up with. Search on!! :d
Cutty, Don't knock that one off the shelf this time. Nice score with the addition of that pretty little Pflueger. Don't forget to get these Long Beach anchors before you head north!
Not exactly reels, but some very hard-to-find parts I'm always looking for. 1st year 3 pc spools for Sailfisher. If they've been spooled, I can't tell. My projects just took a big leap forward. Normally, you have to find the reel with a "good-looking" spool just to get one of these. Then you don't know if it's deformed until you spin it.
Thanks go to Chris, 1badf350, for the Ohana heads-up!
Wow those are great!!!! Glad you got them!
1938 Penn 12/0 senator as found (pic from the internet)
Some new line and a Maxed out handle and it will be ready for the albacre !!!! 8) 8) 8)
Gee nice find Ted, cheers Don.
Great grab Ted. I was unsure if someone was gonna take a swing at it. Glad it went to a good home!
First gen 14/0? I understand those are quite rare
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on May 03, 2023, 02:07:34 AMFirst gen 14/0? I understand those are quite rare
Second gen
What about this one ??
That one is pertty !!!!~
Wow, there must be a Time Machine somewhere, looks like that one is straight off the stores shelf
Seriously! John, You making these damn things or what? They don't get cleaner and newer than that. Ted, that doorknob 12/0 is a special reel. Anyone else out there with a door knob 12/0? Never seen one before that one.
Great finds Gents!
Best,
Dom
You guys sure have some neat stuff following you home!
Not sure why the photos are doubling up.
When I preview the post it looks fine.
Catalog 22 is 1960
I think you did ok for $15 !!
Team Tani .... Be gentle. Found at the swap yesterday .... All in $30.
1 Jigmaster
1 Squidder 140
2 Penn Peer
1 Monofil
2 spools
The Squidder & red Penn Peer
are in Excellent condition .
remainders...
need some appreciation. :fish
https://imgur.com/a/xg4CsU6
CD!
You HIT the jackpot!!!
YOU need to drop EVERYTHING and get to a casino and PUT IT ALL on RED 36!!!!!
YOU'RE HOT!!!
Wayne
Gracias Pescador ! No
cracked side plates ....
No missing parts,
all reels functional .
Will try and locate metal
spools for the reels sporting plastic. I need to dig
thru my Penn pile and
re-determine flippers/keepers.
(Truth be told I'm really
liking the Squidder... even
has a great free spin ... a
lucky nice one. I feel
fortunate that I hit the swap
And the stars were in alignment.
🙏🏻😎
Heck of a deal!!
Thanks Crow .... Just luck .
Here is a photo of after
Clean , degrease , re-grease,
oil lube . Only two
( Monofil , JigMaster ) lack
cosmetic appeal. But, all
5 Penn's are fishable. I
hope I've given them another
two decades.
https://imgur.com/a/lvyvVhi
Those look great, Good job.
:d
David, Thanks .... Can't
take much credit. Good
Bones. If the end user
matches these reels with
the appropriate target
species I can't help but
think lots of good memories
remain in these reels.
Pretty cool finds at the
Swap meet today .... As the
post asks for "just as
found"... here we go.
One Garcia open faced
Spinner "Made in France"...
main attraction for me
was it is a " High Speed ".
clunky on arrival should
clean up nicely. I gave $1.
Next , nicely patina'ed
Penn Long Beach . In
reasonable condition.... I'll
get it ready for the dance.
I gave $15.
I will show after appreciation
photos when re-hab completed.
Here they are...
https://imgur.com/a/j6mMQrO
Nice !! Hard to go wrong at "pocket change" prices. Your long beach 66 dates to 1946-49. A very capable reel.
Thanks Maxed out ....
I had no idea on the
Time frame on the Penn
No. 66. Can hardly wait
To dig in to its rehab .
The High Speed will win no
Beauty contests but what
A well built reel ! I thought
It was early to mid 60's
But that is just a guess.
Thanks again ! :fish
Yeah, you got a heck of a deal!
Quote from: cdaline on June 18, 2023, 04:35:27 AMThanks Maxed out ....
I had no idea on the
Time frame on the Penn
No. 66. Can hardly wait
To dig in to its rehab .
The High Speed will win no
Beauty contests but what
A well built reel ! I thought
It was early to mid 60's
But that is just a guess.
Thanks again ! :fish
In 1950, Penn phased out the picture plate on long beach 60,65,66,67, & 68. That same year Penn started stamping part numbers on most every part. Your 66 has no part numbers on any visible parts(spool,tail bushing, handle nut, and seat). The counterbalance on the handle on your reel is post war, this makes your lb66 1946-1949.
Ted
Thanks for the backstory
Ted ! I do enjoy the
side plate art on the
Long Beach ... cool light
house, sailboat and sea
gulls. The various Penn
eras make for interesting
reading/learning. Thanks
for sharing.
Another reel from the Penn Time Machine. Very nice reel and a spare spool to boot. Could it be?
Fantastic! What a great find!
And no, I don't think it is wishful thinking at all. In fact, I think it is quite likely.
Well done, Chris. Dig into the provenance as hard as you can. There is a story here.
.
I dunno what's sharper, the two reels or your lawn, brother.
Quote from: thorhammer on July 18, 2023, 11:34:56 AMI dunno what's sharper, the two reels or your lawn, brother.
LOL thanks :d
Well my Senator collection is down to just missing two reels after my 12/0 arrived today.
All I'm missing is the 10/0 and the 16/0.
Found the 12/0 in Texas.
Facebook Marketplace.
$225 shipped it was mine.
;D
Steve
Shellbelly,
Check page 34-35 of this very thread, there is some discussion of this style of 9/0
Also page 5 or so of this thread.
https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,17560.60.html (https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,17560.60.html)
Quote from: 1badf350 on August 09, 2023, 03:25:36 PMShellbelly,
Check page 34-35 of this very thread, there is some discussion of this style of 9/0
Also page 5 or so of this thread.
https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,17560.60.html (https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,17560.60.html)
I vote for Chris to be site historian, what a memory!
Quote from: 1badf350 on August 09, 2023, 03:25:36 PMShellbelly,
Check page 34-35 of this very thread, there is some discussion of this style of 9/0
Also page 5 or so of this thread.
My head blew up at about page 150. The span of actual production between '41 and '50 is about 5 years if you subtract the war years and speculate 4 war years of near-zero reel production or engineering changes. The whole 9 years is kinda like a twilight zone of assumptions and educated guesses. Fun, though.
Very nice reels,,,,, ;)
This thread has, for me, been the the most educational on the subtle nuances to date the Penn's and interchangeability of parts as the reels evolved over the years. Stick with it Shelly.
Shelly
Here are the handles I have, check your PM, dark is unnumbered
He needs a knurled counterweight to be 100% correct. I believe the reel is circa 1941
[/quote from Shellbelly/]The whole 9 years is kinda like a twilight zone of assumptions and educated guesses. Fun, though.
[/quote]
Educated Penn collectors don't use educated guesses or assumptions. A more official (lol) type of description would go something like this: logical conclusions based on varifiable time lines. The fun part is there's always new discoveries that can be shared and documented right on this forum. Keep your eyes peeled, cause you never know what you might find next
I know!! ;) ;) I gave up Corporate Speak and Word Salad when I retired from that world. Now I just speak Texan. Requires much less effort and sports interesting results.
Hi Shellbelly,
Your reel is an early 1941 9/0 -
1) the very first 2nd Gen 9/9's had no engraving on the tail plate - these are not easy to find.
2) Next Penn added the engraved tail plate - but still no front harness lugs. This is the model you have. These reels all came with the small, half circle top lug as per your reel. The correct spool should have a drilled arbor.
3)Penn next added the front harness lug - these were all the half circle lug. The spool still had the drilled arbor.
4)Next Penn changed the top lug to a full circle - still kept the smaller, half circle front lug and drilled arbor.
5) By late 1941 Penn the changed the spool arbor to the pinned type - they still had the small front lug.
So - that's 5 changes in one year!!
6)In 1942 Penn finally changed the front lug to the bigger, full circle type - they also made the same change on their 10/0's and 12/0's.
If you count all the different 1st Generation models - 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939/40 internal drag models, and the late 1940 external drag model, and the 1941/1942 2nd Gen variants - thats 11 different pre war variants!!
Keep searching!
Cheers
Martin
Thank you for condensing the sequence. Gleaning that solely from the conversational nature of the thread was proving to be difficult for me.
Team Tani .... As found today at
the swap meet .... Appears to be
An early Penn Bayhead . Small
fingernail sized loss of Bakelite
on the crank side faceplate
otherwise intact and functional.
Plan to service and keep as display.
I like the heft on this one ...
seems a solid well made reel.
Please share any knowledge
as to common fishing usage
and timeline. I gave $5.
https://imgur.com/a/ed4uNpo
Well .... The internet indicates the
following ( fwiw )....( no original
thought here, just gleaned by
search engine interrogation).
- By catalog ?7 or 8....
-manuf. . 1938 -1940.
-"Hersey kiss" clicker indicates
1940'ish.
-Model # ( if not imprinted ) can
be determined by yardage listed
foot post .
-I believe mine to
be #109 based on "300" yds.
-some in the lifecycle carry
art imprinted on the side plate
-the logo changed within the life cycle
-Experts indicate that the BAYHEAD
is a less expensive version of
the Bay Bridge.
-Orig. MSRP around $3.75
Hi,
IMHO your reel is a mixture of 2 reels from 2 different decades. It would seem that at some time in its life your
1939/1940 Bayhead 109 has been dropped and the handle and the back plate have been broken, and subsequently replaced/repaired with parts from an early/mid '50's Penn 85/Seaboy.
The wire line (heavy!) and the chipped front plate are also clues that the reel has been dropped and broken.
If you take the wire line off you will be able to see if the spool has either a drilled or pinned arbor. If the arbor is drilled, your reel is a 1939 version, and requires a wooden handle/small, coinedged c/w, and a waffle click/scenic tail plate.
If the spool is pinned, you have a 1940 Bayhead 109, same handle, same scenic tailplate but with a 'kiss clicker'
Good score for $5.00 !!
Cheers
Martin
Sounds reasonable Martin ... I kind
of like the look of the wire line
so am hesitant to remove it as my
plan is just to display. I'm ok
with it being Heinz 57 mix n'
match. To be honest I do wish
it had the "Clipper Ship" back
plate. Worts and all this reel
feels stout in the hand . I'll
do a superficial clean up and
lube .
Thanks for all your insights .
If I was a betting man I'd bet
you are spot on in your appraisal.
Well done . :fish
We'll Team Tani since Martin
was so willing to freely share
data points I thought I'd go
ahead and remove the wire .
Revealed the 1940 version of the
BAYHEAD. Putting the wire back
on was a major workout as memory
coils and kinks led to frustration.
But, worth it upon completion.
Will make a cool shelf sitter and
bring a smile every time I pick
it up . :fish
https://imgur.com/a/rXDyvaI
Chris,
Is that side plate art work an original Penn?
Sure looks like it is.
Is that handle counter weight unique to LL Bean?
I've never seen a Long Beach with a knurled edge.
Cool Find!
Steve
Nice Long Beach, that's a fat counter balance
Hi Chris,
Lovely reel - a 1941 Penn/LLBean LongBeach trade reel!! You never cease to surprise! Well Done.
I only have the Penn/LLBean 249 reel and box, ex Brian Purrone.
Those LLBean tradies are very interesting. I seem to recall that you also have a 9/0 model?
Does anyone have other, different Penn?LLBean models?
Cheers
Martin
That's a good find for $20. Congratulations
Todays swap meet find ... the
old standard Penn No. 85....
I know , millions sold , many
survivors. I just can't pass.
When I picked it up dirt
literally poured out of the
side plate / spool interface.
Main drag was cranked down so
so tight I had to channel
Schwarzenegger to get it to
move. One small flea bit on
crank side Bakelite. No cracks.
Some oxidation but not bad .
Intact pyralin crank handle.
Photos as found except last
3 after bath and lube. A strong
functioning bait casting reel.
I like . :fish ( will be
removing barely surviving line
tomorrow).
I gave $10.00 with a crappy pole
attached. ( electricians tape
involved ).
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/T1dyHbn
I got two recently Charles. I'm gonna get out ASAP and reef troll this one just to see how it does. I'm sure the drag won't be great. Both are a deep maroon color and the spools look to be bakelite. No part numbers.
If you need any parts you can have the other one, as I was gonna donate it.
Thanks for the offer GFish
but this reel is functionally
intact ... later model than
yours as internals have
numerical stamps.
I removed the line ... spool
is mint ... thread passed thru
hole in spool ( not post ).
I'll put some mono on and
with be ready to go. All
adjustments smooooth. :fish
You guys are gathering up some pretty neat stuff!
Crow ... I am amazed at how solid
these 50 to 70 year old Penn
reels feel in hand . They are
fun resuscitations and I really
look forward to chasing down
Some catfish with this one. Now
That I've seen Crab Pot's early
Bridge City I'm going to see if
I can't track one down in the
Wild ! :fish
Charles
Not a reel but pretty cool addition to my Penn collection.
Quote from: cdaline on August 20, 2023, 03:04:18 AMThanks for the offer GFish
but this reel is functionally
intact ... later model than
yours as internals have
numerical stamps.
I removed the line ... spool
is mint ... thread passed thru
hole in spool ( not post ).
I'll put some mono on and
with be ready to go. All
adjustments smooooth. :fish
recco you put a few yards of braid or dacron on the plastic spools before mono. Disasters happen when mono is wound tight and constricts- even parts three piece chromed brass spools on occasion.
Thor .... I picked another No. 85
this weekend . Someone had
obviously been there before
me as the various side plate
Screws were mismatched. Of
interest upon rehab one end
of the metal spool can freely
turn when removed from the
reel. I did remove braid from
under the mono but obviously
the damage has been done . I
will probably use this one
as parts donor.
Charles
Here is the No. 85 with
broken spool...
https://imgur.com/a/dRIKTbo
I have an Atlantic as well but it's a Atlantic No. 14 direct drive.
I see yours is a 117.
How many different versions of the Atlantic were made?
Wow! I like that 9/0. Even the line lay is impressive.
Never seen a 117 Atlantic before.
You sure have been finding some good stuff, Chris! We (wife and I) are off to the island, in the morning...I usually can find a few things when I'm there....not many use those Penn reels, here in Illinois!
Thanks Crow and good luck! I Hope you find something good!
Those little surf masters are so cool.
Not a Penn and it hasn't arrived yet. Star-less drag Bay City 113. kinda hard for me to find.
That thing cleaned up to look pretty nice, Chris! 8)
Quote from: Crab Pot on November 05, 2023, 08:14:21 PMGarage Sales have been pretty slim pick'ens lately.
But I did find these two beauties yesterday.
Old 140 Squidder and a Surfmaster 100.
It looks like that 100 has a Newell spool (in addition to the bars)
Nemo
The bars are plastic.
Does Newell have anything plastic?
Yes they're graphite Newell bars, the spool looks like a Newell spool too
HI Chris,
Nice restoration!
Era correct chrome, handle and star - as good as it gets!
Well done.
Martin
Thanks Martin!
Quote from: Swami805 on November 15, 2023, 04:25:55 PMYes they're graphite Newell bars, the spool looks like a Newell spool too
Bonus!
I haven't opened it up yet...now I'm wondering what other bonus stuff is in there.
Thanks Sheridan, it was nice meeting/fishing you Saturday!
Steve
Nice!
Another Ebay find.
After Keta (Lee) told me my Super Mariner collection was not complete without the 249 I've been looking for one ever since.
Needs a good lube job but for the price, $35 offer plus shipping, I couldn't pass it up.
I'll use the clicker side plate Reeltyme (Randy) gave me for my clock project.
If anyone is looking for a handle side plate let me know. I won't charge you a penny more than Randy charged me, free.
Another trip in the Time Machine for Chris. Is that a first year 49?
Nice, I've never seen a box like that.
1930's?
Quote from: Crab Pot on December 10, 2023, 01:10:45 AMNice, I've never seen a box like that.
1930's?
Thanks guys yes first year 1939. I already had the reel. The box is a new acquisition
Nice!
Chris,
What websites do you search to find all these treasures?
Besides I Ebay.
Thanks,
Steve
Sometimes ya gotta pay up for certain things. I snagged this one last week. Not cheap but when would I find another one?
Box needs some work
Very cool,,,,,, ;)
Chris,
Hit some of the lure collection sites and search box restoration, Those folks go crazy over the correct boxes
with lots of fixit info and techniques.
Finally got my Penn Senator 10/0 for my collection.
Real happy with it.
That just leaves the big boy, the 16/0 to complete it.
Bought another Long Beach 65 yesterday off the Book of Face for $30.
I bought it because it's the trolling model.
I already had the casting version.
It's cap is 75 yards less and it's spool is an 1/8" wider on the trolling version.
Pretty cool, I'm happy with it but it didn't come with a catalog, wrench, or oil tube.
Steve
Great condition. Both of them
Nice find!
Well today was like Christmas Day at my place.
My Penn 259 Live Bait Caster came, Penn Mag Pro 890 came, Mag Pro parts for my 980 came, and last but not least my two vintage boxes came today as well.
The 980 needs a spool but I have a line on one...finally.
Love them all!
The 259 is a sharp little reel and my first true yellow handle of the collection. The side plate art is unique as well.
Just cleaned and lubed everything.
Had to use a life line to set the dog on the 980. Thanks Jason and Sheridan!
Steve