Hi guys!
Most drag greases out there on the market are teflon based( eg carls) so i was wondering if any of you guys have actually tried dry teflon spray on the drag washers themselves? thinking of doing it with carbontex drag washers? ??? ???
opinions? ;D
Try it and report back.
you know, that actually should work...... :o
ohhhhhhhh :o
alrite imma try it and let u guys noe! 8)
Quote from: thedw on June 22, 2013, 12:59:49 PM
ohhhhhhhh :o
alrite imma try it and let u guys noe! 8)
ohk, so what are the results?
for light tackle fishing its fine! smooth performance and start up; no diff in performance when compared to carls
however for bigger fish, the drags discs seem to stick after usage, giving rise to jerking drags and high start ups!
also the teflon spray does not repel water as well as grease!
might as well use carls HAHAHA
Well you never know until you try! Thanks for sharing your results!
Now go slap some Cal's on those babies
/Karl
Thanks DW.
Now we all know....thanks for the UL Lab report... ;D
Quote from: TARFU on August 30, 2013, 01:58:24 AM
Now we all know....thanks for the UL Lab report... ;D
x2
npzzzzzzz ;)
Thanks for the research. Too bad it made you have to redo the reel though.
Quote from: TARFU on August 30, 2013, 01:58:24 AM
Now we all know....thanks for the UL Lab report... ;D
Is there a hidden secret here?
Thanks!
I have used Teflon grease on drag washers and noticed no negative effect.
I use finish line grease and it works great. It's a teflon grease made for bikes.
Yes.
Magnalube-G.
Not a spray, but a grease.
Excellent results on CF drag washers.
Chad
Haven't been on here for a while, so just seeing this. Since I know a lot about Teflon I'll 'splain the results as I see them: The only thing teflon really sticks to is itself - so the dry stuff is basically migrating out of the drag discs as they're getting worked under load by a hard charging fish. What happens with teflon greases is that the PTFE particles are sort of trapped in the grease base and hang around better where you put them.
I've been using Dupont Teflon Marine Grease on my drag washers. I have found no difference between it and Cal's. It's even almost the same color, not that it matters. When compared to Cal's it remains on the washers just as well, no difference in drag pressure, & just as smooth under pressure. And I got it for $7 a 16 oz. can, about 2 years ago. It sure is economical. Rudy
I am trying to figure out the best grease for a super light baitcaster. I am using 2lb min to 6lb max test line. The tan Carl's seems to be pretty thick and waxy for the 2lb test line as it seems to have a cold start static friction a bit higher than ideal.
What would you guys suggest to get low start/static friction that is closer to dynamic friction, without having increased friction as the drag warms up and is used over the course of a day? Cal's purple?
I did not notice any difference between Cal's brown and purple but I was using higher drag numbers and was testing for cold weather fishing.
On occasion, when a consistent drag range through all levels is needed on lighter line -- I have done this:
Soak the CF's in synthetic oil for an hour, or so -- I use WRL191S -- but likely any decent synthetic oil for reels would work -- providing it does not contain any solvents.
Remove and tamp dry the CF's with a paper towel
Apply Cal's Purple -- working it into the weave with your fingers
Wipe off any excess grease slop -- and install
I have found this to be smooth through all drag ranges from the lightest to full lockdown -- with no stickiness or surprise friction.
Generally, I do not do this though -- because for the majority of clients, they are not using that light of line -- and it is unnecessary.
Best,
Fred
patrick, welcome! for your reels, i would use only carbon fiber drag washers. then for the light drag applications that you describe, i would apply a generous coat of cal's drag grease, then take an old rag and gently rub off the excess. when you are done, you should be able to look and a drag drag washer and your greased drag washer and barely tell the difference. i think you'll be fine with this. if you get a chance, please let us know how it all worked out for you. thanks! alan
A combination for ultra light drags, that I've used on fly reels, is teflon washers. No grease applied just teflon washers - that doesn't mean some grease or oil won't penetrate ;). Some of the multi stack drag scierra fly reels use a combination of cf and teflon washers - they seem smooth enough. In general more washers produce a smoother drag. For ultra light line minimising start-up inertia is paramount (so is very careful knot tying - there aint much safety margin with 2 or 3 lb test).
For such light line, I would not trust any drag. Back the drag off and use finger pressure.
-steve
Quote from: Cor on June 03, 2016, 07:14:37 PM
I have used Teflon grease on drag washers and noticed no negative effect.
I have also tried them a while back, there was a guy on eBay selling kits.
Teflon will compress under pressure... not great.
You will be better off with carbon fiber washers, the best upgrade to date, no need to mess with it.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 22, 2020, 06:59:37 PM
You will be better off with carbon fiber washers, the best upgrade to date, no need to mess with it.
That's it...in a nut shell. In my experience, any reel's drag, whether it's leather, felt, teflon, or hard fiber washers, performance always improves with Cal's greased carbon fiber. Sometimes it may work good "as is"...but the greased carbon fiber always makes it better. 8)
OK, I have the carbon washers already, and it looks like it came with teflon washers. I am planning on lapping and flattening the drag surfaces too, to eliminate those potential variables. I have already tried it with the teflon washers and strait Cal's tan grease without the lapping, and it is noticeably lighter drag when warm than cold.
I guess I will order some cal's purple and some synthetic oil and experiment with different combinations. If anyone else has experience with super light drag, let me know.
As it stands, I will likely miss trout opening day anyway. My diesel engine is in pieces at a shop that is now under forced closure order indefinitely.... so no transport available. Bad timing for a blown injector seal.
Oh well, I have TP so I shouldn't complain, right?
I think Chris ( Tiddlerbasher ) & Steve offer some good advice there, when you using very light line, a knot can be the difference between loosing fish, be careful & good luck, cheers Don.
If I was to look for a substitute for Cals or Shimano drag grease, what should I be looking for on the label. The application is for fresh water so smoking drag runs aren't an issue. It would have to not break down from high summer temps and not hold water.
I'm hoping someone has experience with a product I can easily obtain from a marina or Home Depot and the like.
Appreciate your time.
LL
I've used Dupont Teflon Marine grease for drags and it seems to work as good as Cal's (almost the same color tan). It should be available locally by any dealer of Dupont greases. I got it in a 1 lb container for under $10. Rudy
i'd been mulling this over but never tried it. this is the plain stuff. all of these liquid carriers will evaporate quickly except heptane, which will evaporate about as fast as water. the isopropanol (plain rubbing alcohol), propane and butane will evaporate quickly. this stuff might actually work. you'll just have to avoid the fumes.
DuPont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant Aerosol
SECTION 3: COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Hazardous Ingredient(s) % wt. CAS No.
Isopropanol 40 - 50 64-67-0
Heptane, branched, cylic and linear 20 - 30 426260-76-6
Propane 5 - 15 74-98-6
n-Butane 5 - 15 106-97-8
The thing that makes Teflon (PTFE) a good lubricant additive is that is is so slippery. The thing that makes Teflon a bad lubricant additive is that it is so slippery :) Since it does not stick much to anything, it tends not to stay where you want it.
If you are going with a grease carrying the Teflon, you have a bit better chance. They have more to work with in terms of chemistry magic, and something gooey to trap the Teflon powder in.
In terms of which grease for drags: the things to look for is oxidation/shelf life (reels sit around a lot), dropping point (the temperature that the grease starts to liquefy), teflon/PTFE additive, water resistance, and compatibility with other grease components (base and soaps) that may remain on the reel in residue from previous service. The grease manufactures make compatibility tables. They also list industry standard test results for the above capabilities if it is an industrial product. The fishing products hide this information, but if you can find an SDS/MSDS, you can sometimes figure out what the original industrial product was.
I would guess that you are more likely to find a grease that makes you happy if you look to greases with a synthetic base. There are some bases/soap combos that are widely compatible with other greases. I think that mixing an incompatible pair can lead to separation (the base bleeds out), but it has been awhile since I read up on this.
-J
So what grease do you recommend jurelometer?
I try not to over think these things so I just use Cal's.
While not a "be all-end all panacea" Cal's does offer two greases. The usual tan that we are all familiar with, but also a blue/light purple "low temp" version. Beyond the temp recommendations I to not know the differences. - john
Quote from: MeanMachine on June 24, 2020, 11:00:35 PM
So what grease do you recommend jurelometer?
Dunno.
Mark has a good point about using something that works for lots of folks. Cal's has stood the test of time for most applications. It is petroleum based, which is not the greatest. It does get a bit gummy on my cork drag fly reels, so I am looking for other candidates.
I just picked up some Superlube 41160 to fix a sticky hinge in my oven at home. Unlike the reel specific products that hide the specs so that we cannot find the industrial source, this one has most of the data we need.
The specs look pretty good for reels, and the SDS shows very low safety risk (it is food safe):
https://www.super-lube.com/multi-purpose-synthetic-grease-with-syncolon-ptfe-41160 (https://www.super-lube.com/multi-purpose-synthetic-grease-with-syncolon-ptfe-41160)
Dropping point is 550F, it contains PTFE (teflon),
They even have a mini sportsman's kit with this grease. And the listed applications definitely line up with reel use.
But they don't identify the oil and soap, so there is a bit of a hole in verifying compatibility with other greases.
Haven't tried it yet myself. I am interested if anyone else has. Once I get around to trying it, I will report back.
-J
I'll try that one next it looks great! Thanks! Looks like Ace carries it. I will let you know how I like it.
Damian
I've been using the super lube for several years. I go through a lb a year and no issues it works great.
Cheers:
Todd
Anyone tried Liquid Wrench Dry Lubricant? As I understand it, this lube is PTFE (generic of Teflon) ceramic reinforced with boron nitrate. Touted as a dry lube with no oily residue and no staining. This version of reinforced PTFE is called Cerflon. I would suspect the ceramic helps the PTFE stay where it is wanted.
Frank
Quote from: happyhooker on July 24, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
Anyone tried Liquid Wrench Dry Lubricant?
I tried Three-N-One dry lock lube. The felt fine for a while, but did not last long. The same sensation as using a very light oil that will not get you through a day's fishing.
-steve
Quote from: Hardy Boy on July 24, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
I've been using the super lube for several years. I go through a lb a year and no issues it works great.
Cheers:
Todd
Worked great on my oven. Next up: cork drags.
Can't seem to find anything else so am going to try Super Lube. Will follow up on how it works out.
Just to follow up. I've done a couple of my reels and found the Super Lube to be very slick and works great in lubricating the reel. No difference that I noted in the drag but I don't have the stresses you salt water fishermen see. So far so good. Like most of you probably, I've been doing everyone else's reels and never get around to opening mine to see how it held up from summer fishing and sitting since October. Hope to get around to it shortly.
Larry
I might not use it on drags, but a reel tech i used to deal with at a tackle shop used Superlube as his go -to everywhere else he needed grease. I have tried-and-true Corrosion X, Penn blue, marine bearing grease, and Cal's for my saltwater reels, but I use Superlube on freshwater reels without hesitation. Especially on older light freshwater reels where i really don't need to create some custom carbotex, I'll make oiled felt, cork, or leather washers. Never had one fail on the limited use I put on them, and virtually free to replace.
John
Thanks for the update folks! I haven't a chance to get out and try it myself, but once I am cleared to go fishing again, I'm gonna give the Superlube a try in one of my cork drag saltwater fly reels. This will (hopefully) be in a hot climate.
I don't see why it would not make a good drag grease candidate. High dropping point, PTFE additive, doesn't separate, good moisture resistance. And a synthetic base (pretty sure that's Cal's is low tech petroleum base). The remaining question is how it compares in terms of oxidation (reel sitting around on the shelf), and emulsification when some water gets mixed in.
Todd (Hardy Boy) is doing reels for saltwater charter operations where the seas are often rough enough that spray is going to be common at times. These reels holding up well with Superlube provides some pretty stong evidence, at least for colder climates.
-J
I'll put together a 113H for grouper and use Superlube. Will advise how it works in NC- the reel prolly will get a shower in the covering board rod holder.
Quote from: jurelometer on March 16, 2021, 07:42:44 PM
Thanks for the update folks! I haven't a chance to get out and try it myself, but once I am cleared to go fishing again, I'm gonna give the Superlube a try in one of my cork drag saltwater fly reels. This will (hopefully) be in a hot climate.
I don't see why it would not make a good drag grease candidate. High dropping point, PTFE additive, doesn't separate, good moisture resistance. And a synthetic base (pretty sure that's Cal's is low tech petroleum base). The remaining question is how it compares in terms of oxidation (reel sitting around on the shelf), and emulsification when some water gets mixed in.
Todd (Hardy Boy) is doing reels for saltwater charter operations where the seas are often rough enough that spray is going to be common at times. These reels holding up well with Superlube provides some pretty stong evidence, at least for colder climates.
-J
Yea, the corrosion protection is always my question as we have such a good track record with Penn Blue or any Marine Grease...or even Cal's for that matter.
Super-lube or relatives are often found in hi-end spinners so I have little doubt they lube well...how they truly hold up to corrosive forces is unknown to me.