Recently I finally got around to fixing up my Penn 710 (black) that l bought a couple years ago. I found that the NOS pinion gear I bought fit loosely in the pinion bearing. I know that the pinion bearing is bad and also fits slightly lose in the housing and needs to be placed. I need to be sure I find the correct pinion bearing. The pinion bearing to be replaced is a NICE 7225-1. I looked at 3 different 710 schmatics and each has a different part No. for the pinion bearing. 20-710, 20-704, 20-700. Help appreciated !
I will check my parts books and see if those numbers have been superceded and I recommend measuring the old bearing if it is original and order it by that plus a lot of times on the ol Flea bay you can buy bearings a lot cheaper plus members her have a lot of parts as well
If you would post the bearing measurements —- OD, ID, and thickness —- it would help to match it up.
It should be a 20-700 —-
Been covered up with work and other non-reel projects for a couple of weeks now —- and haven't had a chance to complete your requested other parts.
Best, Fred
Quote from: foakes on July 23, 2022, 02:49:44 PMIf you would post the bearing measurements —- OD, ID, and thickness —- it would help to match it up.
It should be a 20-700 —-
Been covered up with work and other non-reel projects for a couple of weeks now —- and haven't had a chance to complete your requested other parts.
Best, Fred
Man that's a Great Idea to Measure the Bearing !
Fred I know how busy you are so just Forget the parts you were going to send me .While we were recovering from COVID this last 4 or 5 weeks I found all the parts plus many more and now have sufficient pieces for a long time .
Oh and checks in the mail for the frames ,been busy too and didn't go anywhere before we got the Covid and sure not going anywhere now.
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 23, 2022, 03:18:24 PMQuote from: foakes on July 23, 2022, 02:49:44 PMIf you would post the bearing measurements —- OD, ID, and thickness —- it would help to match it up.
It should be a 20-700 —-
Been covered up with work and other non-reel projects for a couple of weeks now —- and haven't had a chance to complete your requested other parts.
Best, Fred
Man that's a Great Idea to Measure the Bearing !
Fred I know how busy you are so just Forget the parts you were going to send me .While we were recovering from COVID this last 4 or 5 weeks I found all the parts plus many more and now have sufficient pieces for a long time .
Oh and checks in the mail for the frames ,been busy too and didn't go anywhere before we got the Covid and sure not going anywhere now.
Didn't have Covid, Henry —-
I have been adding to your box of stuff over the last couple of months —- any time I find more parts kits —- so don't worry —- didn't forget.
Shipping is expensive —- especially when not charging for parts or shipping.
Sent (2) bail springs to Ontario, Canada (3) weeks ago.
$15 US for a bubble mailer to Canada —- for 2 springs!
Do this 15 or 20 times a month —- and it adds up.
Not complaining —- just the facts.
Other priorities are in play.
Best Always,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on July 23, 2022, 03:55:43 PMQuote from: Wompus Cat on July 23, 2022, 03:18:24 PMQuote from: foakes on July 23, 2022, 02:49:44 PMIf you would post the bearing measurements —- OD, ID, and thickness —- it would help to match it up.
It should be a 20-700 —-
Been covered up with work and other non-reel projects for a couple of weeks now —- and haven't had a chance to complete your requested other parts.
Best, Fred
Man that's a Great Idea to Measure the Bearing !
Fred I know how busy you are so just Forget the parts you were going to send me .While we were recovering from COVID this last 4 or 5 weeks I found all the parts plus many more and now have sufficient pieces for a long time .
Oh and checks in the mail for the frames ,been busy too and didn't go anywhere before we got the Covid and sure not going anywhere now.
Didn't have Covid, Henry —-
I have been adding to your box of stuff over the last couple of months —- any time I find more parts kits —- so don't worry —- didn't forget.
Shipping is expensive —- especially when not charging for parts or shipping.
Sent (2) bail springs to Ontario, Canada (3) weeks ago.
$15 US for a bubble mailer to Canada —- for 2 springs!
Do this 15 or 20 times a month —- and it adds up.
Not complaining —- just the facts.
Other priorities are in play.
Best Always,
Fred
Well the wife went to a Re-union against my better judgement last month and 7 of 8 of the old Hens got it .Had to rush her to the Emergency room 4 days after the party with 103 temp and 4 days later I went to same and tested positive. We all better now but its been going on 5 weeks now . When I get a lot better back to my old self I am going to Whoop up on her for not wearing a mask around a bunch of ol bitties I never cared for to start with.
May take a while ....... .
Henry,
Hope you are doing better now and are on the mend! Hopefully you were able to get hydroxychloroqine or ivermectin to lessen the effects. Docs are prescribing both around here now that Trump's no longer a factor. :-X
Quote from: Midway Tommy on July 23, 2022, 05:09:47 PMHenry,
Hope you are doing better now and are on the mend! Hopefully you were able to get hydroxychloroqine or ivermectin to lessen the effects. Docs are prescribing both around here now that Trump's no longer a factor. :-X
Thanks Tommy . I started Ivermectin (I have a Bottle of it ) and it DOES work the second we found out she was Sick and she did too . I came down with it 8 days after she was exposed .Was pretty much in bed the first day but went out and kept my gardens watered every day since . Tired easily , coughing up crap ,but kept going. Got it around middle of May 13 0r 14
This last week been out in 112 degree working in shop a bit but go home around 2 and chill...............
Today at shop going through conglomeration of parts looking for stuff peeps need and I need for some builds but it is 101 out and 120 in back of shop at 12:30 soooooo outa here .
Don't know what variant we had cuz our rinky dink Hospital here only has a Kenner AAA battery powered Microscope and have to Bring in a Specialist from Dallas to read that ....lol
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Yeah, kind of went through a similar scenario here when my wife and I had it. We've got UNMC's isolation ward where they brought the first Wuhan Virus recipients way back when just 10 miles away but a person can't find out which variant they have, or even if they have antibodies unless you're some uppity-up elite like a Buffet. ::)
Get well, stronger, hang in there and stay safe, my friend! Believe me, it takes awhile.
Quote from: Midway Tommy on July 23, 2022, 05:56:57 PMYeah, kind of went through a similar scenario here when my wife and I had it. We've got UNMC's isolation ward where they brought the first Wuhan Virus recipients way back when just 10 miles away but a person can't find out which variant they have, or even if they have antibodies unless you're some uppity-up elite like a Buffet. ::)
Get well, stronger, hang in there and stay safe, my friend! Believe me, it takes awhile.
Irony of it is I am adamant about keeping the Hell away from people IF we go to the store 50 miles away and mask up like a Mummy and carry KILLS on Contact Inustrial Disinfectant and spray everything we touch in stores doors etc . She goes to a damn old wives get together with mask but doesn't wear it ..... complacency is gonna get more people in near future with 2 new variants for sure .
Funny when I took wife to emergency Room on a Sunday NO DOCTOR was there but a Nurse Practitioner and I said I think my wife has Covid and I want to get tested as well they were not wearing masks and took what felt like a Ram Rod up the nose and 2 hours later came back WEARING MASKS and said wife has it I didn't . I dunno Gotta be safe . The more people you are around you are not around all the time your RESISTANCE WILL wear down Vaccinated Boosted Reboosted and thrice Boosted or not and if you keep it up you will GET IT just a matter of time .Just ask THe President.....
Rant and Hi Jack over .
SORRY oldreelcatchum, but Will look for your Bearing .............
Yeah, the scary thing about virus's is the number of mutations, and the number of those that can cause disease and be resistant to anything past forms have been exposed to.
Back on Topic . The current Penn part number is 20-704 at Mystic Parts
RIGHT CHEER (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/20-704.aspx)
Quote from: oldreelcatchum on July 23, 2022, 02:26:09 PMRecently I finally got around to fixing up my Penn 710 (black) that l bought a couple years ago. I found that the New pinion gear I bought fit loosely in the pinion bearing. I know that the pinion bearing is bad and also fits slightly lose in the housing and needs to be placed. I need to be sure I find the correct pinion bearing. I looked at 3 different 710 schmatics and each has a different part No. for the pinion bearing. 20-710, 20-704, 20-700. Help appreciated !
Thanks folks, I appreciate the response. Here's the measurements starting with the Pinion bearing. OD is 22.21mm ID is 9.60mm. Thickness is 7.14mm. The original bearing fits correctly (snug) on the original pinion gear. The Ebay replacement pinion gear, (mentioned in my previous post) OD is 0.10mm smaller than the orginal pinion gear The Ebay Pinion Gear is the only new part that I bought for this reel. All other parts were in this reel when purchased. Minus the weight I think I'm gonna love it after this repair.
Part numbers may have been changed slightly for certain Penn models over the generational model years —- to reflect the schematic shown.
So Henry is also correct.
However, the 700, 704, 705, 706, 707, 710, 711, 712, & 713 all use the same pinion bearing —- 20-700. Regardless of the part number (not the number stamped on the bearing) they are all the same size.
Penn sourced these bearings from various quality bearing manufacturers —— so the number on the bearing is not a Penn part number.
This is true for the originals, SS's, and Z's.
A true original black 710 will have a mottled black paint application with a silver 710 badge. My basic research shows only around 400 of these were manufactured. Much more common are the greenies, smooth blacks, SS's, and Z's.
I tried the bearing in an old black mottled 710, as well as a newer frame. The pinion and bearing fit perfectly in both of the reels.
If you wish, I will send you a new bearing that you can try —- N/C. It would also be good to verify that you have the correct pinion worm gear. Quite common for the wrong part to be sent when you ordered it.
Best, Fred
Quote The bearing fits correctly (snug) on this gear but the NOS replacement pinion gear, (mentioned in my previous post) has the exact same measurements as the old pinion gear but is too loose in the pinion bearing.
From what I am reading he says the New Gear has slop on the NEW Bearing soooooooooo I would think he has a bad or wrong gear .
ebay seller may have sent me the incorrect pinion gear.The best way forward may be to replace the gear,bearing and pinion gear bushing. I'm corresponding with Fred to "get it right" This ebay transaction occurred a few months before I came across this forum.
Quote from: oldreelcatchum on July 25, 2022, 02:22:56 AMebay seller may have sent me the incorrect pinion gear.The best way forward may be to replace the gear,bearing and pinion gear bushing. I'm corresponding with Fred to "get it right" This ebay transaction occurred a few months before I came across this forum.
I wounder if the gear was over polished over the years and lost the fit to the bearing ?
I pre ah sumed ebay gear was NOS, but No. It was advertised as New, but was not in original package. Mr. Fred fixed me up.
The NOS pinion bearing from foakes fit correctly (snug) on the original pinion gear, the other 2 did not , so I stayed with the original gear. Now the retrieve is very smooth. You can see that the original drag knob, handle, and housing plate have been replaced. Some day I might luck up and find an original housing plate, the other parts I can live with. Thanks all.
Well, you have the medallion so that's a good start.
nicely done!!!!!!
The 27A-710 Lead Counterbalance Rotor Weightd (for Orig 27-710 or 711 rotor) that I purchased earlier this year from Mystic is of a different design from the original, (see photos) even though their photo shows the original. It does fit correctly. My question is, Do both counterbalance weights have the same weight ? Even if I had access to a digital scale, a piece of the original weight is missing. There may not be enough difference to question but then again. The original weight is on the right.
The earliest 710's —- whether green, black, or dimpled black —- had the original counterweight like you show as broken.
As the 710 evolved —- at some point it changed to the newer style with the (2) rectangular domes.
In this newer version —- the inside of the rotor also has a "cradle type" nesting area for the counterweight.
This cradle of additional aluminum material could be the difference in how much each weight weighs.
The original is 26 grams, the later version is 20 grams.
I doubt that this would make any difference in performance or balance, though.
Should work just fine. No worries.
Best, Fred
Thanks Fred for dissecting the answer so thoroughly. My perfectionist side can rest easy now !
This would be SR6 bearing (0.3750 x 0.8750 x 0.2812 inch size).