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Title: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 06, 2020, 06:10:54 AM
This old 750SS was a Random CL find. Pretty rough shape. What the heck kind of grease is that? It's a mess. Also I've never seen the torpedo handle. That'll have to go. Abd why is there a screw in the main gear? It does have the desirable main gear though so that's nice. And is it normal that the decals aren't raised like the others I've seen? This seems like an early model. I'm gonna polish this one up like the last. Except now I know what I'm doing so hopefully it'll be a bit quicker.
Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: thorhammer on November 06, 2020, 12:51:58 PM
What kind of grease? old, is what it is. That's an early one looking at the squared handle end, and that screw in the gear may or may not be stock. I've never seen one. Some of the first production of these, at least in the small series, had chrome handles. I'd guess that one dates late 80's- early 90's. I got my first ones new in 95 and the stem ends of the handle blade were flush, still with torpedo handle. Outside some paint loss, that one looks pretty stout to be 30 years old.


John
Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: thrasher on November 06, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Everything looks normal to me except the screw in the gear, if I remember correctly I got a new pair of 550ss's back in the mid 80's. Solid reels as you already know, shine that baby up and post pics  ;D
Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: wfjord on November 06, 2020, 02:47:02 PM
Looks identical to this one I bought new on June 1, 1985.  Did a full service breakdown & photos a couple years ago.


(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/17264_06_11_20_7_31_48_338472039.jpeg)(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/17264_06_11_20_7_39_33_338481566.jpeg)


Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: El Pescador on November 06, 2020, 03:24:49 PM
And here is my 750SS I found FOR FREE attached to a Fenwick rod sticking out of the donation bin at Goodwill on year right after Christmas.

I had made my 3rd run to drop off BOXES of items we no longer wanted, I asked the guy IF I could grab the rod, since I'm a Fenwick guy.  There was a reel attached, BUTT I was more interested in the Brown Fenwick rod, at the time.

Back then, I knew NOTHING about Penn reels.

Here is it as I found it.

(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/7588_06_11_20_8_20_39_338491116.jpeg)

And here is the BAD BOY custom-worked on by Sal!!!!  I'm still looking for a 140 lbs. Tarpon to give it a work out!!!!

Thank you Sal, I miss you so much!!!!!

(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/7588_06_11_20_8_21_05_338502068.jpeg)

I'm now a PENN GUY :o

Wayne

And I just checked, NO screw on the opposite side of the handle.

(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/7588_06_11_20_8_44_44_338512447.jpeg)

Wayne
Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: handi2 on November 06, 2020, 05:46:25 PM
The first run of these reels has just what your reel has. Internally that's just dried up grease and rust?

The handle and screw are correct. I do not know the purpose of the main gear screw. They work the same with or without the screw.

The one I have does have the chromed handle. The threads inside the main gear will not accept the newer handles pivot pin. You can rig a newer style handle by changing the pivot pin and other parts.

Keith

Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 06, 2020, 06:13:04 PM
Quote from: handi2 on November 06, 2020, 05:46:25 PM
The first run of these reels has just what your reel has. Internally that's just dried up grease and rust?

The handle and screw are correct. I do not know the purpose of the main gear screw. They work the same with or without the screw.

The one I have does have the chromed handle. The threads inside the main gear will not accept the newer handles pivot pin. You can rig a newer style handle by changing the pivot pin and other parts.

Keith


Yes I've qctually discovered this. When building the previous one I got an 8-750 main gear and pinion set to use but found it would not work. It's likely I'll steal the pivot from this for another handle. Is that thing that looks like a skinny flathead screw holding it in place actually a screw? I've been surprised before.
Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: wfjord on November 06, 2020, 09:08:17 PM
Maybe that screw is just an added measure to keep out water & grit, and keep the bearing in... in case you happen to lose the aluminum cap.
Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 08, 2020, 04:52:11 AM
Day 2, roughly 4 hours into this. This took about 20 hours to get to this spot on round 1.

There's so much pitting! I'm gonna spend some time to get this right. Not as long as last time though.
Title: Re: Here we go again
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 10, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
Day 3, we already got a reflection, but I want more. I could see taking orders. Once you work out the routine its not so bad. And I bet i can buy sandpaper bulk. I certainly go thru enough of it.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: oc1 on November 10, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
It's time to drill the rotor  :)
-s
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 10, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: oc1 on November 10, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
It's time to drill the rotor  :)
-s
See the problem with my lack of experience is I'm not sure what that means, so I don't know if that was wise advice or a joke i didn't catch. Or some combination of the two.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: thorhammer on November 10, 2020, 08:11:40 PM
both, lol. folks for years have polished and drilled out Z series; Nick, can you post a pic of yours?
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: Swami805 on November 10, 2020, 08:29:33 PM
I have a beat up 550, paint's bubbling in places, Hmmmm? Could be something to pass the time while watching TV.
Drilling the rotor is just like it sounds, Drilling hole in it to reduce weight
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 10, 2020, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: Swami805 on November 10, 2020, 08:29:33 PM
I have a beat up 550, paint's bubbling in places, Hmmmm? Could be something to pass the time while watching TV.
Drilling the rotor is just like it sounds, Drilling hole in it to reduce weight
If you mean 550SS I believe those are all graphite. But it definitely passes the time. Last night I went out to work on it for what I told myself would be a half hour. Next thing i knew it was 2am. Who needs sleep anyway?
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: thorhammer on November 10, 2020, 09:12:59 PM
550 is aluminum; 5500 is where the reels 5000 size and down went graphite.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 10, 2020, 09:51:09 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on November 10, 2020, 09:12:59 PM
550 is aluminum; 5500 is where the reels 5000 size and down went graphite.
Thank you for the clarification. Foot in mouth at least once a day.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: oc1 on November 11, 2020, 03:46:36 AM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 10, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: oc1 on November 10, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
It's time to drill the rotor  :)
-s
I'm not sure what that means,
Here's some inspiration.
https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/353752-drilled-penn-reels-random-pictures/ (https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/353752-drilled-penn-reels-random-pictures/)
-s

edit:  ..... but that's not to say I condone such behavior.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 11, 2020, 05:32:49 AM
Quote from: oc1 on November 11, 2020, 03:46:36 AM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 10, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: oc1 on November 10, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
It's time to drill the rotor  :)
-s
I'm not sure what that means,
Here's some inspiration.
https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/353752-drilled-penn-reels-random-pictures/ (https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/353752-drilled-penn-reels-random-pictures/)
-s

edit:  ..... but that's not to say I condone such behavior.
God damn it. It might happen. There's an old 710 greenie near me that i got my eye on.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: Benni3 on November 11, 2020, 05:59:23 AM
I got some speedy aluminum polish in I have never seen anything work as good,,,, ;) If you want to use it PM me and I will send you a sample,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: philaroman on November 11, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 11, 2020, 05:32:49 AM
Quote from: oc1 on November 11, 2020, 03:46:36 AM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 10, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: oc1 on November 10, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
It's time to drill the rotor  :)
-s
I'm not sure what that means,
Here's some inspiration.
https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/353752-drilled-penn-reels-random-pictures/ (https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/353752-drilled-penn-reels-random-pictures/)
-s

edit:  ..... but that's not to say I condone such behavior.
God damn it. It might happen. There's an old 710 greenie near me that i got my eye on.

seen some UL's totally stripped/drilled/de-bailed for A FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE
(total weight reduction is significant & strength reduction is irrelevant for F/W XUL)
don't see the attraction, otherwise
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 11, 2020, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: philaroman on November 11, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
seen some UL's totally stripped/drilled/de-bailed for A FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE
(total weight reduction is significant & strength reduction is irrelevant for F/W XUL)
don't see the attraction, otherwise
Oh you mean the sand intake ports?
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: philaroman on November 11, 2020, 04:41:40 PM
I think it was the tiny greenie & Alcedo (or maybe Cargem)
either, Joe Robinson's or someone else in his XUL threadlining crowd
...don't even think anything was additionally ported -- just sanded "way past shine"
to the point of noticeable "material removal" for weight reduction

...like the "bedazzled 300's", the photos seem gone from the Internet :(
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: steelfish on November 11, 2020, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 10, 2020, 09:03:11 PM
But it definitely passes the time. Last night I went out to work on it for what I told myself would be a half hour. Next thing i knew it was 2am. Who needs sleep anyway?

haha, samething happen to my often, when I just wanted to spend 2hrs on a rod I see myself at 3am saying I will just wrap one more guide and go to bed.

I wish I had the time to do something like polishing a reel but currently have a long list of rods to build and another one of reels to repair.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: Swami805 on November 11, 2020, 08:13:50 PM
Port the rotor and make a true egg beater
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 12, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
Day 4. Sanding is done. I need to get out the rotary and blast with some polish and its time to reassemble. I think im about 8-9 hours in. I could see taking orders if people want their own mirror rig. I'd probably charge around 200 for labor. But that was never the point of any of this.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 13, 2020, 03:31:32 PM
Polishing is done. Assembling it tonight, and hopefully fishing it tomorrow. Gonna go east to watch the launch, so maybe I'll go to the beach and toss out a big hunk of ladyfish while we wait.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: steelfish on November 13, 2020, 06:06:38 PM
yep that reel needs to have the rotor drilled to really have a show-off effect
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 13, 2020, 08:47:03 PM
Quote from: steelfish on November 13, 2020, 06:06:38 PM
yep that reel needs to have the rotor drilled to really have a show-off effect

I thought about it. But frankly the rotor isn't that heavy, and such mods only look good if they're super duper precise/symmetrical. So thats a lot of room for error without a lot of payoff. I'll probably pass on that.

What sucks though is I was so proud of my first one, but this one is much better execution, and now all i see on my first one are the flaws. I'm sure I'll get over it.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: steelfish on November 13, 2020, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 13, 2020, 08:47:03 PM

I thought about it. But frankly the rotor isn't that heavy, and such mods only look good if they're super duper precise/symmetrical. So thats a lot of room for error without a lot of payoff. I'll probably pass on that.

you can take your 1st one to a local machine shop and show them some pics of what you need on your reel, they have some nice tools to make it happen, take your desition depending on their price.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 17, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
The reel is assembled and spooled (40 lb ssv2). And I got to catch something on the 8500, so its been a productive weekend.
Bonnet head shark 36" to the fork 47" overall. Nowhere near this reel's limit. Also a 32" sail cat not pictured. I need to find some bigger fish.
Title: Re: Here we go again (750SS build/shine job)
Post by: oc1 on November 17, 2020, 06:35:10 AM
Good going.  There's no better way to top off a project.
-ebenezer