I was able to aquire a first generation 14/0 reel to add to my growing collection of early, first generation Senators. Unfortunately, the reel is in need of a period correct, non-numbered torpedo power handle in order to make her whole again.
Can you guys please check your existing bins, boxes, and drawers full of Penn handles to see if you happen to have this rare non-numbered 14/0 handle? And maybe just keep an eye out for one as well?
Here is a link to the Ebay listing:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/131538979948
And I attached a photo of Ray's ca.1940 14/0 with the handle I am searching for.
That is going to be a tough find John. I only have one handle that big with the torpedo style knob that came on the reel I got from you. I know it has the numbers on it.
Congrats John, I'm enjoying watching your collection grow! Can't help with the handle now, but I enjoy surfing ebay so I'll put up a search on my home page.
I put up a post on ORCA and emailed several different guys who collect old Penns, and a few guys who regularily sell old Penn parts on EBAY. Maybe Fred, and Randy can have a look at their stocks when they get a chance? Any other leads would be welcomed.
John, any pre-1950 14/0 handle will suffice. You may spend all your life looking for a first gen handle for that 14/0 with no success, as there are so few first gen 14/0 known to exist....Last I heard less than 6 have been found in the collector world. Pre-1950 is still non numbered and will be the same as the first gen without counterbalance.
BTW, congrats on that find that got passed over by everyone else.
Quote from: Max Doubt on June 20, 2015, 01:41:06 AM
John, any pre-1950 14/0 handle will suffice. You may spend all your life looking for a first gen handle for that 14/0 with no success, as there are so few first gen 14/0 known to exist....Last I heard less than 6 have been found in the collector world. Pre-1950 is still non numbered and will be the same as the first gen without counterbalance.
BTW, congrats on that find that got passed over by everyone else.
Thanks. I feel like a pretty lucky guy, but I have not actually inspected the reel in person, so I am remainimg somewhat guardedly optamistic that all the parts will be origional. I agree about finding the handle. 'Period-correct' in this case would include any non-numbered handle. I have put feelers out with pretty much all of my contacts at this point, so guess I need to just stay patient and vigalent in my search.
You guys have taught me well ;)
Turns out I also need a 3-piece spool, should have held onto the one I had ( I think I had a 14/0 3 piece spool?) Before I was 'in the know', a non-numbered stand (I have never seen one), a non-number rod clamp, and 2 rod braces. The star, eccentric lever, ('oil-less') ball bearings, stand bolts, and other visable parts all seem origional. Now to crack her open and clean it up.
The tailplate bearings is labeled.."FAFNIR 35KDD C4 USA".
The headplate bearing is a fifferent style with an outter metal cage. The inside of the inner race is labeled..
"D H 3 5" The outside of the outer race is labeled..
"USA R 6 S M F".
A few more pics...
I've never seen a three piece spool on a 14/0. That reel must be really rare. I had a 16/0 that had one, but it was warped. I steer clear of them myself just for that reason.
There is a part number on the bridge as well "3-116". Interesting, a smaller 12/0 bridge with no pressed in locating pins. Notice the didellate is cut quite differently then the nodern 14/0, and as well. There are no part numbers on the inside of the rings, on the dog, eccentric, jack, yoke, or eccentric lever.
John,
It would be good to ask the seller if he might have the old parts or know where they are...a friend or shop? Just for peace of mind .
Ray
Quote from: Superhook on June 24, 2015, 07:02:04 AM
John,
It would be good to ask the seller if he might have the old parts or know where they are...a friend or shop? Just for peace of mind .
Ray
Good idea Ray.
After a little more cleaning, and close inspection..I discovered the jack also has a part number. So to summarize, the following parts on my first generation 14/0 have part numbers or appear to possibly have been upgraded from stock:
-Handle assembly
-Stand
-Rod clamp
-Both Rod brace straps, but not turnbuckles and hooks
-Bridge
-Jack
-Spool (1 piece)
-Bearings (non-matching USA made, but caps appear origional)
Mike states in his book that given the scarcity of first gen 14/0s and the appearance of second gen gearbox location in the advertisements and catalogs ca. 1942, he believes these reels were only manufactured in the first Gen. config. for a short time (i.e. 1939-1940/41). These older looking, numbered parts found in this reel make me wonder if it is possible that the factory may have continued to use up old 14/0 stock when manufacturing new reels after the war, and the appearance of part numbers. It seems likely that the first part numbers, as well as the single piece spools (later on) were likely first used on the Senator series, and likely on the larger/more expensive Big-game models. It makes me wonder how old some of these numbered parts are, and when they first started appearing in the 9/0-16/0 reels. The reel has obviously been serviced and upgraded at some point during its life (as evidenced by the non-matching, extensively marked bearings), but were all of these numbered parts post-production additions to this reel? Or are did this reel leave the factory (possibly at a later then 1941 date) with a mix of numbered and nonnumbered parts? I nay never solve the mystery, but I am thinking of keeping this reel in 'as-found' condition (except fiving it a good cleaning, and trying to find a period-correct Power handle).
I am happy and fortunate to be the proud owner of a rare first generation 14/0, regardless if the reel is entirely factory-origional.
Fun following along John. Congrats on the beaut.
John,
It seems your first gen 14/O is turning into an adventure. If we think about the time span from when a first generation 14/O hit the market to now, we are spanning about 70 years or so. Considering your reel was fished and not collecting dust, explains why you have so many part changes.
I have found one 14/O first gen reel in my travels. A few others have popped up in the last 8 years or so. The ones I know of are kind of spread out. A very small club of people have them. They may be other collectors, that tend to keep their possessions in the covert part of the hobby, hidden away in case some Penn reel terrorists decides to fly a Boeing 747 into the right side plate of one of them :-X :-X
Anyways, there is one in Brisbane, Oz, another in Key West, Florida, at least two in Oregon, mine in New York and now, yours. You are officially a first gen 14/O Club Member. At least that is a better club than the first gen 16/O club, there is only one member in that club.
So you need a handle, stand, bearings, spool, rod braces, a bridge and whatever. Seems to be that it would be an interesting story if your reel could talk.
Your reel has had a full life. It has been rejuvenated a number of times and it is still kicking. The most important part of your reel is the fact that it is a first gen 14/O. As collectors, I think we loose sight of things some times. Your reel is a first gen reel and that cannot be faked.
Here is a series of photos of my first gen 14/O;
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Yup, a real Penn Senator, Model 117, Size 14/O first generation, sitting in front of two great literary works ::). All original, not likely ::) Lets see,
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This looks OK. A plain, old Penn 14/O logo.
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Oh yea, lucky me. The handle is correct and could be a 1939 version, being I have no box, there is no way to tell what the year is, so it is a all original, first gen reel, only.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Senators/1939%20Penn%20Senator%20117--14-O%20019%20676%20x%20507_zpscpumtejx.jpg)
OK, Another original, no number part. My reel is still all original parts, or so it seems.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Senators/1939%20Penn%20Senator%20117--14-O%20027%20676%20x%20507_zps41kivxf7.jpg)
This is looking better and better, a original 3 piece, drilled spindle, 14/O spool. This must be an all original first gen 14/O
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What's this, how could this be? >:( >:( >:( >:(. Are those part numbers I see on my all original 1939 (maybe) 14/O first generation reel of which there are less than a half dozen known in the world ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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OMG, not again. and on both clamps. :-\ :-\ What am I to do?????
Luckily, I believe that if a reel is perfect, no one used it. If no one uses something, logically, it is not a useful thing for the owner of it, rendering it useless for that person.
John,
Don't worry, be happy, your reel is not useless :D :D :D . It is a significant part of Penn lore, enjoy it, you will probably never find another one.
So, OK, you need more than I do for complete compliance with the collectors rule book; but, don't let it throw you. You are still the proud owner of a very rare piece.
To continue my story, about eight years ago, a friend of mine that is disabled, calls me up and tells me he has a Old Penn 14/O. This old friend (call him Big Ed) is not totally disabled, he has a bad back. He could not continue his career, so he makes extra money by buying and selling fishing tackle. He travels to Florida to buy tons of gear and then comes back to New York to sell it at the New York Flea markets.
So, one day he calls me up and tells me he has an old 14/O that he picked and wants $250.00 for. He tells me it is rough; but, it works. I set up a time to meet him at a show and I go to the show. The first table is a dealer named Mike Popowich, I know him for a few years. I also know that Mike P. checks out all the other dealers wares before the show starts, so I figured, if the reel I came to see is any good, he has already snapped it up. Turns out, Mike P. saw the reel. I tell him I came to the show to get it and he tells me that it is rough and Big Ed want too much for it. I go meet Big Ed, he still has the reel, it is rough but as we have seen in the previous post; but, it is a first gen 14/O. I pay Big Ed his price and go see Mike P. with the reel. Mike P. tells me how dumb I am for paying so much for this old, beat up 14/O. I walk out of the show thinking I am not so dumb.
For many years, no one knew or at least acknowledged that there was any difference about early Senators. When you said First Generation Senators, no one knew what you were talking about.
Now we know!
Thanks for expanding and sharing photos and the tale of your 14/0. :)
Now I am wondering if I got a bit to aggressive on the cleaning of the reel last night. That german silver is tough stuff, but much of the platting was in rough shape. My cleanup has caused sum of the 'dreaded' brassing to appear. I will share pics once complete. I may have been better with a 'lighter' cleaning, leaving some of that old patena in place. Well, especially since it sill never show as 'like new' or 'minty', and the use and age shows 'character'. Oh well...
whats done is done.
Part 3 of my 14/O saga. The Spool.
When I got this reel, it was loaded with about 300 yards of 72 thread linen line, some people would call this line, rope.
Anyways, I removed the line and saved it. After removing the line / rope, I operated the reel and my reel sounded like Santa Claus's Sleigh coming to town. At this point, my keen, analytical mind is telling me something is rotten in Denmark, so I take the reel apart. My totally original first generation 14/O three piece spool has a spinning flange.
At this point, I simply tell myself I need another spool, no problem. Just buy one.... Wrong. Two years later I see an old beat up second gen 14/O reel with a three piece spool. I buy it, exchange my old Jiggle Bells spool onto the second gen 14/O. Now the reel I bought sounds like Santa's Sleigh but mine is tight and runs perfect.
The time has come to admit to my one and only corrupt move in the world of fishing tackle dealings, being that the statue of limitations has run out on this deal, I can now tell the story.
Remember the old Cuttyhunk line aka rope I removed from my old 14.O. Well I wind this line onto the second gen 14/O three piece spool good and tight. All of a sudden, that 14/O is running quiet as a mouse. I sold the reel on EBay for exactly what I paid for it and my Santa Claus spool is in the wind again. Someday I will get a really good deal on a Penn 14/O. When I take off the line, Santa Claus will have returned to me........................... :-[
:)
Ouch!...I just missed out on a 1950s 14/0 counterbalanced handle that would have looked nice on this reel :(
http://m.ebay.com/itm/311389504941
However, I am now the proud owner of a counterbalanced 9/0 handle assembly...available for trade :)
http://m.ebay.com/itm/300900704627
John,
There is no 14/O counter balanced handle. 12/O is the largest Senator to use a counter balanced. All 14/O's are Power Handles.
The seller in that listing is wrong.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 26, 2015, 01:19:31 AM
John,
There is no 14/O counter balanced handle. 12/O is the largest Senator to use a counter balanced. All 14/O's are Power Handles.
The seller in that listing is wrong.
Phew!
I am beginning to feel a little bit better...Thank You ;)
*I knew that..
Guess thats why I didn't immediately pull the trigger. Still appears to be for a larger..maybe 10/0-12/0 reel.
As a side note...
Sometimes I have a bit of trouble distinguishing the 49 counterbalanced handle from the Senator with the same gear sleeve from this era (mid 50s ish), that is w/o seeing the actual part number.
John,
The largest counter balanced handle made by Penn is the 12/O handle. I will measure mine tomorrow and post the difference between the 49 handle and the 12/O handles.
QuoteSometimes I have a bit of trouble distinguishing the 49 counterbalanced handle from the Senator with the same gear sleeve from this era (mid 50s ish), that is w/o seeing the actual part number.
John,
The difference between the 49 handle and a Senator handle is big until you get to the 6/0. The Penn 49 handle and the 6/0 counter balanced handle are not the same; but, close in terms of blade length, not bulk. The handle knob of the 49 handle is usually much smaller than the 6/0; but, the blade length is the same.
Here is a comparison of the early Senator counter balanced handles and the 49, sizes refer to blade length:
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The 6/0 counter weight in this photo is a transitional style:
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I put two 9/0 examples on the mock up just to emphasize a question that I get sometimes. Some collector believe there is a reason for the way the knob and counter weight are mounted to the blade. I believe the way the curve of the blade is turned is totally random. Depends on who was doing the installations or how many Bud Lights they had during the lunch break.
Thank you Mike!
This is useful information. Do you have a picture of a first year 349 (no counterbalanced), and an early counterbalanced, coin-edged weight 49, 149, 249 to add for reference sake?
I will measure my recently purchasedbig senator counterweighted handle and report back as well...prob a prewar 9/0.
I wonder how many of these early handles Fred, and other repairmen have lying around the shop?
Might have somehing, John -- and you would be more than welcome to it.
Probably do not have it though -- but you never know...
Maybe myself or someone else will have what you need -- counterbalanced, non numbered handle, for a 9 or a 12?
Best,
Fred
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Fred,
I appreciate the offer. What I am really looking for is the nickle-plated, non-numbered, 14/0 Handle with the larger torpedo knob (like Mike has pictured above). But I am interested in any non-numbered Penn handles, especially the large 6/0, 9/0, 10/0, 12/0 counterbalanced ones, the old wooden knobs, and those with the larger, coin-edged counterweights (as pictured above).
If you ever get bored (which I very much doubt happens to a man such as yourself), and feel like taking a look through ypur handle assemblies...just seperate out any that lack stamped part numbers on the back.
Thanks for the offer and help here :)
QuoteWhat I am really looking for is the nickle-plated, non-numbered, 14/0 Handle with the larger torpedo knob
Not nickel plated. They are chrome plated.
QuoteDo you have a picture of a first year 349 (no counterbalanced), and an early counterbalanced, coin-edged weight 49, 149, 249 to add for reference sake?
OK, I have to open up a bit of my collection for these; but, I think I can help.
First lets go to the most rare Model 49 handle I have. It is mounted to a first gen Penn 49, more than likely a 1939 reel. I cannot explain this handle or why it exists. It is the only one I have ever seen. The handles mounted to the early 249 reels were wood. This is an early resin handle knob on an early coin edged counterweighted Model 49 blade. I believe this is a 6/0 knob, mounted onto a 49 handle blade. I suspect an "End of Day" creation.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels/Early%20Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels%20and%20handles%20001%201024%20x%20768_zpsnajprvtd.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels/Early%20Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels%20and%20handles%20003%201024%20x%20768_zpsgkducwn7.jpg)
Next is the 1942, Model 49. The 49 only sold for $12.00 once in its life span and that is 1942. In the catalog it is still called the Narrow Spool Reel; but, on the box it is named the King Salmon. After the war, this name, King Salmon (used in 1941 & 1942) never returned. The handle is using a coin edged counter weight with a wood torpedo knob.
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Then there is the early 49A South Africa reel from the early 1950's. The handle on this reel is probably an older model used by Penn on their export reel. It has a Catalin Plastic handle knob with the coin edged counter weight.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels/Early%20Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels%20and%20handles%20007%201024%20x%20768_zpskglehmqf.jpg)
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Last is the first model year, 1957 Model 349HC. This is an NOS reel with the original first year handle.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels/Early%20Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels%20and%20handles%20019%201024%20x%20768_zpsnysadwyi.jpg)
The other narrow spool reel handle are very similar to what I have pictured except for the 249 which has the hollow wood, hour glass shaped knob. \
Hope this helps a bit.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 27, 2015, 06:14:20 AM
QuoteWhat I am really looking for is the nickle-plated, non-numbered, 14/0 Handle with the larger torpedo knob
Not nickel plated. They are chrome plated.
I knew that, and misspoke, but I noticed the plating seems to adhere much better, to the base metal.
Thanks for sharing the photos Mike, I know several of your photos of these reels can be found elsewhere.
Maybe we should start a new thread on the early narrow spool reels? These pics would be a great start. I know there were many different boxes, names, and versions built on the same basic design. By 'narrow reels' I mean a group that includes the 49, 149, 249, 49A 130, and 349 in this group. Spool design, and the names seemed to change the most on the 49, I know the capacity , gear ratio, boxes, and of course the handles also changed on these reels. I apoligize if I'm asking you to repeat info found in your books, or elsewhere in tjis or other foreums, but I was just hoping you might want to fill in some of the gaps in this interesting group.
QuoteThanks for sharing the photos Mike, I know several of your photos of these reels can be found elsewhere.
Actually, I took out my reels last night and made new photos to answer your question as specifically as I could. So these are new photos. I do use old photos all the time; but, when a question is about a particular part of the reel, rather than the entire reel, I sometimes have to take new pictures. All the handle pictures are new. I guess what makes them look old is my style of photography (amateur at best) and the fact that my camera is obsolete (nice word for "old junk).
I think if we label a new thread for Narrow Spool Reels and then whoever has the ""POWER'', sticks that thread to the top of the Antiques and Collectibles category, we will have created a reference place in these forums and build it from there. If there is an interest for that, it would work. That would work for any particular category, I would think, until there are too many "Stickys", then a way of organizing them would have to happen.
I wish my book could have answered all these question; but, the specific questions can take up an enormous amount of pages, so I had to generalize to keep the book in the real world of size restriction.
Mike --
You are my hero!
Knowledge, experience, and confidence are everything in our acquisition of old tackle.
I cannot tell you how many times a yard or swap meet seller has offered me an old Mitchell 300 for just a few bucks -- since the bail is broken and part of it missing. Now I have two whole boxes full of old half bail early version 300s and 304s.
Or old DAM Quicks -- since the factory grease turns to soft concrete, if not used for a few years. Handle and rotor will not turn. They say it just needs a good cleaning, or it would be a great antique for your shelf. Hmmmm, your right, and I will give you $3 for it -- No, couldn't sell it for less then $10 -- Never be afraid to walk slowly away -- OK, you can have it for $5.
Or some really nice Penns, some still in the box -- just beecause someone tried to clean it and lost an eccentric spring or AR spring -- and just never used it again. Just bought an old Squidder a week ago from a second hand store -- for $12 -- since the spring was obviously missing fom the gear reversing lever. Same trip bought a LB60 with the old Dark blue box and all paper, grease, and tool included -- just because the eccentric spring slipped out of place somehow -- $18.
If it is a private individual just selling his stuff -- I point out the issue, and either offer to fix it for them, or show them how to do it themselves -- about the time their eyes start to glaze over -- an offer to take it off of their hands cheap is generally accepted.
If it is a store or a swap meet seller -- I just act innocent, and buy it as cheaply as possible.
Honesty is the best policy -- but it is not wrong to not tell them everything you may know. After all, we may be wrong...
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred.
Funny how you mention how peoples eyes glaze over when you start talking about the specs or repair techniques needed to get something back in normal service again. I get that feeling all the time, even with fisherman that I would think should be interested. Sort of makes me feel kind of nerdy. Sometimes I wonder what makes a person do what we do.
Anyways, every time I see the massive amount of stuff you have and your Library of Congress style of organizing it all, I know who the real hero is.
Here are a couple of pictures of my first generation 14/0 all cleaned up....
More pics...
It functions like new. Maybe I should bring it out one day and catch one finsl big fish on this 80 year old reel.
Looks great! Also, I like your book stack behind it, haha!
You do some good work John! It turned out great.
My non-numbered, coin esged counterweight, red torpedo knobbed 9/0 handle assembly arrived today. It too measures 5 1/4" in length. Like Mike's pictured Red 9/0 and 12/0 handle assemblies... it appears mine too has the handle on the correct side of the arm... unlike the black one pictured before. Seems Penn employees made sure they red ones were assembled correctly (jk).
John,
Great Stuff. Love the 14/O. It is a testament to the ingenuity of the first design Penn reels. The big senators are Penn Long Beach reels on steroids. I like to think how awesome it is that a small reel design makes the transition to big game reel so successfully.
QuoteIt functions like new. Maybe I should bring it out one day and catch one finsl big fish on this 80 year old reel.
And what a great story that would make for this board.
Years ago I had a customer that asked me for about a dozen pre- WW II vintage Long Beach reels. Apparently, somewhere in California these people were putting together a fishing tournament that required all the tackle used in the tournament to be antique pre-war tackle. It was a not big game tournament but it was a novel idea and these people had a great time putting all the gear together for the event.
So, if you bring your old 14/O back out on the water, please do document the trip with photos or whatever. I am sure that old 14/O can still handle whatever it has to.
I just finished a little further restoration work on my first generation 14/0. I bought a nonnumbered second gen 14/0, and did a complete restoration on the reel. I then compared parts, and basically used all of the nonnumbered chrome parts (except the star, and drag cover) on the first gen 14/0.
The finished reel looks much better, and is actually more 'correct' now then when I started. The reel still has a numbered bridge, jack, and one rod brace, and the 3-piece spool has a pin instead of a drilled arbor (what I believe to be correct for this reel). The star also has a little more brassing then I would like. However, it does now have the correct handle. I will keep my eyes out for an early nonnumbered 12/0 that I can use the bridge, jack, and star off of, and if I can find a 3-piece spool with a drilled arbor.. the restoration will be truly complete.
I am happy with the results for now though.
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& here is one of my first gen 14/0, 12/0, 9/0, 1/0, 2/0, & nonnumbered 10/0.
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/Tightlines666/Mobile%20Uploads/20151129_162810_zpsgvzpqfw4.jpg) (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/Tightlines666/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20151129_162810_zpsgvzpqfw4.jpg.html)
*I need a better camera, lighting, etc.. the photos don't do the 14/0, 12/0, 1/0, & 2/0 justice.
Looks great John.
Starting to shape up nicely John. If I had the handle I would have sent it to you...sorry.
Quite the collection John, looks fantastic. Excited to see how large the set will eventually get ;)
Quote from: Maxed Out on June 20, 2015, 01:41:06 AM
John, any pre-1950 14/0 handle will suffice. You may spend all your life looking for a first gen handle for that 14/0 with no success, as there are so few first gen 14/0 known to exist....Last I heard less than 6 have been found in the collector world. Pre-1950 is still non numbered and will be the same as the first gen without counterbalance.
BTW, congrats on that find that got passed over by everyone else.
Looks like another first gen 14/0 has surfaced...
http://m.ebay.com/itm/272545858706
John
QuoteLooks like another first gen 14/0 has surfaced...
http://m.ebay.com/itm/272545858706
Yes, it sold for $510.00........... A fair price for a rare big game reel. IMHO
Quote from: Penn Chronology on February 12, 2017, 06:55:30 AM
QuoteLooks like another first gen 14/0 has surfaced...
http://m.ebay.com/itm/272545858706
Yes, it sold for $510.00........... A fair price for a rare big game reel. IMHO
As many 1st gen 14/0 reels that have been found, I would not classify it as "rare"
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As many 1st gen 14/0 reels that have been found, I would not classify it as "rare"
OK, I think have seen about 15 of them found in the last ten years or so. I have mine for many years and I know I sent one to Ray. Hard to say how many are actually out there, I do feel they are hard to find. Classifying something as rare is a tough call. There are degrees of Rare also. I would not say the first gen 14/0 is as rare as the first gen 16/0; but, does that mean the first gen 14/0 is not rare. Maybe, whatever floats your boat is OK with me.
I would classify the 14/0 as Scarce and the 16/0 as Rare. For now. IMHO.
QuoteI would classify the 14/0 as Scarce and the 16/0 as Rare. For now. IMHO.
"""SCARCE""",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I like that. Let's make """"SCARCE""" a new official classification. There will be hard called,
Hard to Find, then there will be harder called
Scarce and finally there will be hardest called
Rare.
NEW GIRL ON THE BLOCK !! Well thanks to ORCA member "1badf350" who told me about a Craigslist add for a 14/0 Penn Senator with 130 lb. class bent butt rod I am now the proud owner of a nice 1st gen 14/0 Senator. I live in Mass. and the add was from NH. and unfortunately for 1badf350 the guy would not ship the rod or reel so I drove the 1.5 hours and met the guy and the rest is history. I took reel apart yesterday and gave it a clean and lube. I was very happy the way it cleaned up !!! The guy I bought it from just had it lubed and filled with line to use on Giant Tuna off NH coast so I am sure glad to rescue it ! Here are some pictures.
These old Penn Senators seem to be trickling out of the cellars and garages one by one ! John Taylor
few more pics
Nice reel! I like the way you keep everything together as you take it apart.
If you're going to fish it, I suggest for you to get one of the later models.
This wouldn't be because it couldn't handle big fish, many have been caught with the three-piece- spools.
My suggestion not to fish it is because that reel is very valuable to some serious collectors and it is in excellent shape, you just need to find the right person, unless you are that person ;D
Good luck with it!
Sal
Sal
The reel is home and won't be fished !! Keeping parts together like that came from a John Elder post on ORCA about a big KOV Cradle. Great find. John
I'm glad I could get in the hands of someone who will care for it. Even though I am EXTREMELY JEALOUS!!! LOL LOL ;) ;)
Wow!
That's a stunner there!
Great find!
:o :o :o
Now I am beginning to believe a 16/0 may just show up one of these days as well.
My reel came from that part of the country as well.
John
John
John
I think a lot of big game reels ended up in New England and the Canadian Maritimes for giant Bluefin Tuna. My buddy Doug got a really nice pre serial number 16/0 Senator mounted on a mint big Montague rod out of Nova Scotia a few years ago. Where did yours show up ? John Taylor
That's the nicest 14/0 first gen I've ever seen. Tough reel to come by.
Nice find,
Dom
Quote from: 54bullseye on July 30, 2017, 05:22:30 PM
John
I think a lot of big game reels ended up in New England and the Canadian Maritimes for giant Bluefin Tuna. My buddy Doug got a really nice pre serial number 16/0 Senator mounted on a mint big Montague rod out of Nova Scotia a few years ago. Where did yours show up ? John Taylor
Mine was right in Mike C's backyard.
QuoteThe reel is home and won't be fished !! Keeping parts together like that came from a John Elder post on ORCA about a big KOV Cradle.
Great restoration John. First gen 14/0's are not an easy find. Finding one in the condition you found this one in makes it even more rare. Congrats on the find.
Many of the early big game reels from Penn were tested by Otto Henze and his friends on the big tuna in the Nova Scotia waters, you may have a special source for those reels living where you do.
John Taylor you've done it again. That 14/0 is gorgeous.