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Fishing Rods => Fishing Rods => Topic started by: Bill B on March 31, 2018, 09:15:03 PM

Title: Been busy
Post by: Bill B on March 31, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
So I spent a little time this winter re-wrapping a few rods that I bought on the cheap.  Picked up some budget guides from Jan's Netcraft and 1 part epoxy.  My mother-in-law was a seamstress and had 80+ spools of sewing thread.  I went through them and pulled the smoothest, non-fuzzy threads and got to work.  Two of the rods are Penn Power-Sticks and the black is a no-name rock cod special.  The Cod Special got new black pait and clear coat. I liked the color schemes.  A few things I learned cross-wraps are more involved than they look, using thin thread over thick thread does not work out too well, and I need a rod dryer  :P.  I figure in about 15 more years of practice John V. and Alex (Steelfish) will STILL not have any competition from me.... :D

Before
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After
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Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on March 31, 2018, 09:37:43 PM
Amazing what talented hands can do with everyday materials
Nice work
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Swami805 on March 31, 2018, 09:58:16 PM
Looks great Bill time to get them wet!
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 01, 2018, 12:11:06 AM
 Look`s like you are off good start , stay away from the fuzzy threads "cottons "          Now when you pick up the sticks you start thinking how about a diamond pattern here and a trim band there .
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Swami805 on April 01, 2018, 12:46:19 AM
Hey Bill. Next time you get the rod building bug hit me up for thread. Sewing thread works but nylon is better. I'll set you up
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: happyhooker on April 01, 2018, 02:51:23 AM
Nice work!  Great minds think alike--I'm just wrapping up a rebuild of a Shimano 6' 6" spinning rod; got rid of the old double-foot guides (only 4) and wrapped 7 replacement single foots; I hear your pain about the thin thread over the thick; nylon upholstery thread is non-fuzzy, although thick; some 100% polyester is pretty nice, but some is a bit fuzzy; get rid of the fuzz with a quick flick of a lighted match around the thread.

Need something to do inside; only 23 degrees here today for a high (Minn.)

Frank
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: gstours on April 01, 2018, 04:19:16 AM
Thanks bill for show n telling.  Your doing good.  Takes time to  be a good musician, ask any old one...    they even talk slow.  You keep working on it,  we are learning too.  My best rod is only a tool,  time will make you great.   Keep doing what you like.     Fishing 🎣 can be a good therapy for us all.   🚣‍♀️
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: bill19803 on April 01, 2018, 04:37:59 AM
cotton  thread deteriorates   with  exposure   to  ultra   violet   nylon not   so  much. Cotton    doesnt    stretch  much  at  all   while  nylon  will, so  nylon  wraps  are  always  tight  where   cotton   will loosen   with  time in many cases. The  most   common  nylon  sizes  are A   and D.   D is biggest.   If  you want a brilliant   white   use   hollow  spectra  as  an  underwrap.
If   you  can use a   very  bright light   while  wrapping   you will  see a   glare  line  along  the   top of  the blank.  You  can  use   that  as  an  allignment  mark   for  getting all   your   diamond/chevron  wraps  alligned   properly.
Just  some   tips   to make  life easier if  you are   building or repairing   rods.
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Jeri on April 01, 2018, 07:04:00 AM
Hi Bill,

Looks like you kept out of trouble over the winter. Some constructive observations, not meant as critisism, but perhaps to help you down this very addictive road.

Get some 'C' or 'D' NCP threads, the colours will be stronger, and the quality of the thread will be less 'fuzzy'. Won't need colour preserving, so that saves a stage in the build process. Look up 'burnishing', which basically evens the threads out across the whipping to an even and consistant finish.

A simple drying machine would help immensely with the final stage, which would be to use 2 part thread finish, there are various makes on the market, all reasonable in quality. This allows you to seal and finish the threadwork, so that it looks like plastic encapsulated coloured thread, without seeing individual threads.

Lastly, try to keep trim bands smaller, it takes practice, but 'less is more'.

At this point, you have to make a decision, do you become addicted to rod building, or just enjoy your fishing. Get too hooked on rod building, and you might as well start selling your fishing tackle... ;) ;) ;)

Cheers from sunny Africa

Jeri
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 01, 2018, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: Jeri on April 01, 2018, 07:04:00 AM
Hi Bill,

At this point, you have to make a decision, do you become addicted to rod building, or just enjoy your fishing. Get too hooked on rod building, and you might as well start selling your fishing tackle... ;) ;) ;)

Cheers from sunny Africa

Jeri
OR you wind up with a lot of pretty sticks , which bring up another problem , what stick  is going fishing today
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: mo65 on April 01, 2018, 05:57:58 PM
Great work Bill! 8)
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: swill88 on April 01, 2018, 06:54:32 PM
Thanks for showing that Bill. Looks great!
Steve
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: oc1 on April 01, 2018, 07:26:22 PM
Very nice Bill.  Jeri has great advice about how to get the modern plastic-coated look, but I prefer the old-school look where you see the individual threads.  High-build epoxy and rod turners cover up a lot of inconsistencies.  Life was more difficult when we only had flat nylon colors, Weber color preserver and a thin coat of rod varnish to work with.  Even that was a modern improvement over silk thread, no color preserver and spar varnish.

Keep up the good work.
-steve
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Alto Mare on April 01, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
Very nice Bill!...now show them in action. :)

Sal
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Bill B on April 02, 2018, 02:10:35 AM
Thank you for the kind comments and suggestions.  I was lucky in the mom-in-law used nylon and poly thread for most of her work, and by being selective the major fuzzies were kept at bay.  Used the lighter trick to eliminate the ones that did pop up.  But also learned that if you use too much heat you'll burn the thread and POP the whole thing comes unraveled  :-\.   Also the budget guide prepacks from Jan's are very affordable, no where near the quality of PAC Bay or Alps but will do just fine for me....until I start on heavier rods.  Next will be to build a dryer and try th two part epoxy.  I will admit it was fun and a great way to pass the time.....tight lines everyone.....Bill
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Jeri on April 02, 2018, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 02, 2018, 02:10:35 AM
will do just fine for me....until I start on heavier rods.  Next will be to build a dryer and try th two part epoxy.  I will admit it was fun and a great way to pass the time.....tight lines everyone.....Bill

There you go, first steps on a slippery slope..............  ::) ::)

Next will be the rod turner, then the fully enclosed oven/dryer and where will it stop!!!  But you will enjoy the ride.

Cheers

Jeri
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: gstours on April 02, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
Thanks for your post. We all try to help with little tips,  🙋‍♂️sometimes it's overwhelming.  I,m no expert but you have to walk before you can run.   Enjoy your hobby,   And if you're interested you can build your own rod dryer using a small gear motor and a chuck of various types and you will save money, and learn more about your variety of skills.   I think you can get a 6-8 rpm motor that uses house hold current  on amazon still for about 8 bucks.   Every time you use it you're saving money.    Just saying.🤦‍♀️
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Swami805 on April 02, 2018, 09:27:53 PM
Do be shy Bill, if you get the bug again holler. You can slide by without a dryer for 2 part finish, there's a few brands that have a quicker cure time now days.
Wish I could still get away with just using a 1 part varnish, The thicker high build magnifies every flaw so a good burnishing tool is your friend.
Hope to see some pictures when you hand a few with those
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Dominick on April 02, 2018, 10:14:06 PM
Nice work Bill.  Dominick
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Bill B on April 03, 2018, 02:06:56 AM
Sheridan....I still have a Power Stick and Silstar in the first picture that still needs rebuilding...I'm open to any color combos....you hit a home run when I rebuilt the Nep-Tuna......if you have any suggestions or thread you would like to donate.... I would be really great full brother......Bill
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: Swami805 on April 03, 2018, 02:51:19 AM
I'm on the road Bill, I shoot you a PM when I'm home tomorrow.
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: steelfish on December 04, 2018, 02:20:18 AM
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 31, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
......... and I need a rod dryer  :P.  I figure in about 15 more years of practice John V. and Alex (Steelfish) will STILL not have any competition from me.... :D


somehow I missed this thread but let me tell you that those rods look really nice, you should have seen my very first try, I didnt even post it on here LOL
a rod drier will do wonders on the finish look, they are not that expensive, I have seen some for $35 shipped if I recall.
BTW, I also have 15 years behind of the real master rodsmiths on the AT.com ohana, good thing is they arent shy to share their best tips if you ask them.
Title: Re: Been busy
Post by: happyhooker on December 04, 2018, 03:52:09 PM
Working on rods is kinda fun.  If you get some old, but sound, sticks, and rebuild them, you can end up with some quality rods for not much dinero.  Of course, your own time is worth something, but if you get satisfaction out of taking not much and making it into something worthwhile, that is pay back too.  I just finished a rebuild of an old "Catchmaster" graphite 1-piece 6'6" spinning rod (got it for a buck at a garage sale, along with reel attached).  Didn't have enough guides to begin with, and one had popped the ceramic insert out and another had a bent outer ring.  Blank in good shape as was handle.  Added back a number of guides that I thought would give a good bend & line following, using some Gutermann 100% polyester thread in a purple color that almost exactly matched the old thread.  Little silver trim to match the original wrappings, covered them all with multiple coats of water-based poly (dries quick--under 30 mins, easy clean up, does not give a high build look, but needs 10+ coats to look good) and I'm ready for spring to give 'er a whorl.

Frank