So I'm mucking around under the GG with a 1 3/4" grub on a tiny hook catching small rockfish and baby lingcod. Just a little target practice for an artificial angler to keep my chops up. After a few hours of catch & releasing the little beasts I decide to give it one good heave out to the deep water on the last cast before I go.
After a couple bounces off the bottom, I get a fat hit, a little bit of drag burning, and a 15 min back and forth battle with something. At one point it gets stuck on some structure and even with the tiny hook and light leader I miraculously horse it out and get it near shore, use the wave surge to toss it up on the rocks and what? A 27" 8lb Hali. ... sometimes you just land on your feet.
(https://i.ibb.co/SQWXvjV/20211203-140442.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3fGyh3S)
nice fish!
Beautiful fish. That last cast is always the best! And if it isn't, then we take one more last cast.
Lovely,
Enjoy dinner
The Man
Ain't that a Flounder .
I thought Hali's had different dorsals and tail fin shapes plus they have their eyes on the other side ?
Or is a Hali per say a Cali nomenclature for the fish you caught ?
Either way Damn Good Eatin. Just trying to learn sumpin . I probably wouldn't know the difference if one bit be on the Leg.
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 04, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
Ain't that a Flounder .
I thought Hali's had different dorsals and tail fin shapes plus they have their eyes on the other side ?
Or is a Hali per say a Cali nomenclature for the fish you caught ?
Either way Damn Good Eatin. Just trying to learn sumpin . I probably wouldn't know the difference if one bit be on the Leg.
Halibut are left side heads and flounder are right side. The tail shape tells you the difference between California and Pacific halibut, two different species, Pacific being much bigger. You'd definitely know the difference by the size of chunk taken out of your leg.
.... I still like Rockfish better.
Evey thing I see is different
(https://fishingbooker.com/blog/media/Halibut-vs-Flounder-Identification-1024x683.jpg)
This says just the opposite ...lol
And then there is the Summer Flounder and the winter flounder .
I dunno ...............
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 04, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
Ain't that a Flounder .
I thought Hali's had different dorsals and tail fin shapes plus they have their eyes on the other side ?
Or is a Hali per say a Cali nomenclature for the fish you caught ?
Either way Damn Good Eatin. Just trying to learn sumpin . I probably wouldn't know the difference if one bit be on the Leg.
The fish caught is a California halibut, the Diamond in the picture is a Pacific halibut. the rounded fish in the picture is one of several additional flounder species, actually several put together. There is something about the eyes, but I've never bothered to figure it out. The difference between California halibut and other flounder is obvious in real life, and nothing can be confused with a Pacific.
The Man
Ron's on the money. You can barely see it in the Ninja's picture, but it has that high-rounded lateral-line section near the head, not shown in the drawing, cause it's a Flounder vs a P. Halibut. Also, the tail-fin in the Ninja's picture has the correct shape.
I vaguely recall something about the C. Halibut could be either right, or left-eyed...?
Yay !! great fish Tony boy
I bet it was on a Bass rod setup, I know what you mean about liking rockfish better.
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 04, 2021, 05:19:04 PM
Evey thing I see is different
(https://fishingbooker.com/blog/media/Halibut-vs-Flounder-Identification-1024x683.jpg)
This says just the opposite ...lol
And then there is the Summer Flounder and the winter flounder .
I dunno ...............
Nothing there is "opposite" of what I stated. I never mentioned body shape, I did say the pacific is bigger than california halibut (fact), both are bigger than flounders, the tail on Cali Hali's is flat where a Pacific has an arrow shape, CaliHali's also have a rounder dorsal fin and less diamond shaped.
This are all facts that you can confirm with some research.
They say Halibut can be left or right eyed but I've been fishing here since 1971 and have never seen a Right eye come out of these waters.
Quote from: the rockfish ninja on December 04, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 04, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
Ain't that a Flounder .
I thought Hali's had different dorsals and tail fin shapes plus they have their eyes on the other side ?
Or is a Hali per say a Cali nomenclature for the fish you caught ?
Either way Damn Good Eatin. Just trying to learn sumpin . I probably wouldn't know the difference if one bit be on the Leg.
Halibut are left side heads and flounder are right side. The tail shape tells you the difference between California and Pacific halibut, two different species, Pacific being much bigger. You'd definitely know the difference by the size of chunk taken out of your leg.
.... I still like Rockfish better.
Well as usual I got the ol proverbial pot stirred .
The illustration I posted shows Halibut have the head on the Right Side your fish looks like it has eyes on the Left side .
I Dunnnnno but I know the diff between Hally Berry's Butt and a Flounder and at my age that is all that matters. ;D
Quote from: steelfish on December 04, 2021, 06:20:03 PM
I bet it was on a Bass rod setup
Lews tournament pro bass reel
St Croix ML rod
1 3/4" grub on a trout hook
Most of the 15 mins fight I had my mind accepting I was going to lose that fish.
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 04, 2021, 07:25:55 PM
Quote from: the rockfish ninja on December 04, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 04, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
Ain't that a Flounder .
I thought Hali's had different dorsals and tail fin shapes plus they have their eyes on the other side ?
Or is a Hali per say a Cali nomenclature for the fish you caught ?
Either way Damn Good Eatin. Just trying to learn sumpin . I probably wouldn't know the difference if one bit be on the Leg.
Halibut are left side heads and flounder are right side. The tail shape tells you the difference between California and Pacific halibut, two different species, Pacific being much bigger. You'd definitely know the difference by the size of chunk taken out of your leg.
.... I still like Rockfish better.
The illustration I posted shows Halibut have the head on the Right Side your fish looks like it has eyes on the Left side .
I Dunnnnno but I know the diff between Hally Berry's Butt and a Flounder and at my age that is all that matters. ;D
Supposedly they can be either left or right butt they are from the Bothidea left eye family, and again I've never seen a right eye hali in 5 decades of fishing. That illustration from fishing booker is a bit generic, here's something more specific.
http://identifyfish.blogspot.com/2010/10/california-halibut-paralichthys.html
PS-Halle is pushing 60 now, I think there's a rule against mentioning granny age derrieres.... :o
Must be a nice spot to fish from--scenic.
Frank
Apparently California has a few different Halibuts
here is a California Halibut With left side eyeballs and no ridge on the Dorsal like yours.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/35/20463_05_12_21_12_42_40_358331732.jpeg)
And here is a California Halibut with Right sided Eyeballs and a distinctive Raised Ridge on the Dorsal .
(https://alantani.com/gallery/35/20463_05_12_21_12_40_22_35831457.jpeg)
I wonder if one is Male and the other is Female or one is Ambi Finnerous.
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PS-Halle is pushing 60 now, I think there's a rule against mentioning granny age derrieres.... :o
Should women over 50 be ashamed of their bodies? Who came up with that rule?
Just saw a photo posted on IG by Ms Berry for her birthday last year. In a swimsuit. On a skateboard. From behind. Don't think there are many members here that could pull off a similar photo. Glass houses and all...
I am not a fan of posting cheesecake, so you can look it up yourself if you get tired of looking at left and right eyed flatfish. Just do a search on Halle Berry skateboard.
-J
Back on topic (almost) now...
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 05, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
Apparently California has a few different Halibuts
Two.
I think that the first photo is a California Halibut, but second photo might be a juvenile Pacific Halibut.
-J
Quote from: jurelometer on December 05, 2021, 01:49:14 AM
Back on topic (almost) now...
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 05, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
Apparently California has a few different Halibuts
Yep
Two.
I think that the first photo is a California Halibut, but second photo might be a juvenile Pacific Halibut.
-J
Quote from: jurelometer on December 05, 2021, 01:49:14 AM
Back on topic (almost) now...
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 05, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
Apparently California has a few different Halibuts
Two.
I think that the first photo is a California Halibut, but second photo might be a juvenile Pacific Halibut.
-J
Halle is a Goddess ! and at 55 she is a Martial Artist .
The two pics I posted are from Piers in California.
Fure sure neither of those pictured are Pacific halibut. Both look like California butt to me.
Nice last cast Mr Ninja !!
I only said that about Halle out of respect for mature women ...... ;D
... and yea, that first pic is dead on, but the second looks strange, no mottled color, kinda small almost not legal size from what I see.
In 2019 & 2020 I did a little commercial fishing for them and before that caught a lot of them and never seen a right eye Hali, even though the DFG site & others say they exist.
I know most of the party boat and commercial guys at the Wharf, I'm going to survey them, see if they've seen any. I'll post what they tell me.
Here you go (picture of both right and left eyed halibut).
I caught both of these fish from Santa Cruz Wharf.
I have seen similar pictures of both from within San Francisco Bay.
Hopefully the picture works - I get an error: upload folder full?
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 05, 2021, 03:54:10 AM
Fure sure neither of those pictured are Pacific halibut. Both look like California butt to me.
Nice last cast Mr Ninja !!
I think you may be right. I thought the fin was sort of diamond shaped, but looking more closely, it was probably just the wind.
Last cast rules!
-J
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 05, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
I wonder if one is Male and the other is Female or one is Ambi Finnerous.
;D ;D ;D Dominick
After talking with a couple of the commercial Halibut captains at the Wharf they confirm almost exactly what some of the fish ID websites say. Even though they are from the left eye family, about 40% have right sided eyes, the very same number from the DFG website.
I still have never seen one, I better go out and start jigging around to find one.
Great job,,,, ;) here we call them door mats,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: the rockfish ninja on December 05, 2021, 09:23:35 PM
After talking with a couple of the commercial Halibut captains at the Wharf they confirm almost exactly what some of the fish ID websites say. Even though they are from the left eye family, about 40% have right sided eyes, the very same number from the DFG website.
I still have never seen one, I better go out and start jigging around to find one.
I would like to see one with Eyes on Both Sides ::) ::)
Yes, they can be left or right, but definitely are biased. As far as the "California Halibut" versus "Pacific Halibut" they are pretty distinguishable. Pacific Halibut are more northern (but can be caught in California) and tend to get much bigger and run deeper. And their tails (among other items) are different. Look at Gary the Butt Man's videos - those are Pacific Halibut. California Halibut don't exist up there (and start to get scarce in NorCal above the Bay area). As far as differentiating between either variety of halibut vs. Sand Dab, large starry flounder, etc - it is pretty easy. Lip the fish and if you lose your thumb - it's a halibut (serious teeth) that the other species don't have. - john
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 06, 2021, 01:01:58 AM
Quote from: the rockfish ninja on December 05, 2021, 09:23:35 PM
After talking with a couple of the commercial Halibut captains at the Wharf they confirm almost exactly what some of the fish ID websites say. Even though they are from the left eye family, about 40% have right sided eyes, the very same number from the DFG website.
I still have never seen one, I better go out and start jigging around to find one.
I would like to see one with Eyes on Both Sides ::) ::)
Here U go
(https://i.ibb.co/D8WNTym/Late-larvae-and-early-juvenile-stages-of-development-in-California-halibut.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Those only have one eye per side .
Good "eye" Henry. Halibut are born with an eye on each side. As they grow, one eye migrates across to the other side, and that's when they start living on bottom.
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 06, 2021, 03:39:06 AM
Good "eye" Henry. Halibut are born with an eye on each side. As they grow, one eye migrates across to the other side, and that's when they start living on bottom.
Yepper I knew dis.
What I wanna see is a Hybrid with two eyes on each side of its body.
I bet they are much harder to catch though with that SuperVision. ::)
Kinda like this but completely different
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/18/09/375B2C8800000578-3746656-image-a-1_1471508782556.jpg)
And if your about to lose your bet? It can take maybe even more than a glance. ;)
They have one row of teeth on both jaws with large canines in the front. Their anal fin has 49 to 59 anal rays; their caudal fin is small, short, wide, and significantly doubly concave (a key to quick identification); and, their dorsal fin begins over the upper eye and has 66 to 76 rays. They have 25 to 32 gill rakers. Their eye side is covered with rough scales and their blind side with smooth scales. Their lateral line is arched and extends onto the head and branches toward the top eye and below the lower eye.
Generally the tail (caudal) on the Cali Hali is fairly narrow and has sort of a notch (indent) on the top and bottom of the fin, the northern Pacific has a v in the tail, and is not as square across. . Interesting possibly, It has been observed observed that right-eyed fish has diminished body depths versus left-eyed fish.
Both species of fish are very good eating, I,m glad you made "just one more cast" :P
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 06, 2021, 04:31:28 AM
What I wanna see is a Hybrid with two eyes on each side of its body.
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Give them what they want and all they do is ask for more. ::)
You requested "eyes on each side" not a freak of nature, you have to fish Lake Chernobyl or the Fukushima coast for something like that.
Quote from: the rockfish ninja on December 06, 2021, 05:42:51 AM
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 06, 2021, 04:31:28 AM
What I wanna see is a Hybrid with two eyes on each side of its body.
Give them what they want and all they do is ask for more. ::)
You requested "eyes on each side" not a freak of nature, you have to fish Lake Chernobyl or the Fukushima coast for something like that.
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Nope I used the Plural Eyes notated in Green below not an Eye and the four eyed fish I posted was caught in Australia and maybe it Swam from California and got affected by Cornelius Force . ;D
Quote from: Wompus Cat on December 06, 2021, 01:01:58 AM
Quote from: the rockfish ninja on December 05, 2021, 09:23:35 PM
After talking with a couple of the commercial Halibut captains at the Wharf they confirm almost exactly what some of the fish ID websites say. Even though they are from the left eye family, about 40% have right sided eyes, the very same number from the DFG website.
I still have never seen one, I better go out and start jigging around to find one.
I would like to see one with Eyes on Both Sides ::) ::)