Have any of you seen these advertised and wondered what was 'under the hood'? I was curious and decided to order one. They look so much like a Newell that I was assuming that parts might be interchangeable. So far, that does NOT seem to be the case. I did get called away before I finished but me first impression as that these reels are very similar to Newells and share things like the drop-out bridge assembly and basic aesthetics but are VERY different. This reel was producing 30 seconds of free-spool before disassembly.
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Here's what came in the box. The reel came spooled wit 550 yards of 30 lb mono. There was a schematic, a neoprene cover, and a wrench/screwdriver tool (but the wrench feature doesn't fit).
An interesting thing to note is that the box claims 55 lbs drag.
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The drag system in this reel is called 'thrust drag'...more on this later.
The following photos we taken during the first disassembly:
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As you can see, the anti-reverse ratchet is separate from the gear-sleeve and is stamped rather than machined. More on the 'Triple Thruster' drag system in the next post.
Okay, here are some details of the Triple Thruster drag. The box claims 55 lbs and I have not tested to anywhere near that but it seems pretty smooth at 12 lbs.
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Notice that there are no ear slots inside the main gear. There is a carbon washer (dry) under the main gear and another (dry also) inside the main gear and under the Triple Thruster assembly.
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The Triple Thruster functions like drum brakes rather than the disc brakes that are so familiar to us.
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The brake shoe material looks like some sort of plastic but I didn't test it at all and don't know anything about replacements. I'm assuming the entire assembly will require replacement if it wears out. I did pull one of the shoe surfaces off while pulling it to see how it woks. I'm not certain if they attach with adhesive or if they just sort of snap into place like a dove-tail. There's not any instruction manual included.
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I ran out of time and had to button it up so I haven't had a chance to compare the internals to Newell. The main gear OD is larger than a Newell 300 series main gear. Also, overall frame diameter is larger than a 300 Series but Smaller than a 500 Series. The clicker assembly looks like Newell from the outside but is completely different on the inside. The inner rings have plastic (composite?) inserts that attach with small screws so they are more complex than Newell. I'll do side-by-side photos when I get around to a pre-use service before fishing it.
In all fairness this reel is brand-new and not broken in at all. I do suspect that the 55 lb drag claim is an error on the packaging. I did pull on a spring scale a little bit and 12 lb felt pretty smooth. It ramped up to 20 lb real quick and the line broke so it was probably locked at 20 and that's where the 30 lb mono let go. I'll spool braid on top and find out what it will really do. I would love to hear Sal's opinion on this drag system. Seems like there's not a lot of friction surface and I wonder how hot it gets. I read reviews that state that it handled 25 lb yellowtails. I would love to see photos of how the drag looks after a good work-out.
Very interesting concept in you have the conventional Flat friction application and then the Cylindrical 3 shoe brake which is pretty darn neat as it would apply equal contact all round where your 2 shoe system the front shoe does all the work .
I bet it would go 55 lbs and those shoes may be some sort of ceramic? Which would actually fade a lot of Heat.
Thanks very interesting, any idea were it was made, if you can get schematics & parts list, thanks for posting cheers Don.
I don't think the brake shoes are ceramic as they flex a bit. I had to do this to get the shoe to snap back into the holder.
The drag ramps up to 12 lbs pretty smoothly but then gets hard to turn the star and the curve seems to go straight up from there. I ordered it with 30 lb mono (complementary) as I thought it was equivalent to a Newell 300 Series, It's actually a little larger. I don't have a 400 Series to compare it to.
-Mike
Here's the schematic and parts list. I've also posted it in the schematics section. No other literature came with it. I can't find any marking of origin but I would assume China.
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The descrip on website says 20 lbs. Max Drag. ??? Regular price is 129.00
They gots a Daddy's Day sale on these for 99 bux a piece ,Says free shipping on 75 dollar order and they will spool it FREE with your choice of mono or Braid in several sizes they have then give you 1000 points for joining their deal which adds anuuder 10 bux off so total price with all that is 89 bux. total.
Hell I spill that much in the Bar
......soooooooooooooo
I got one a coming
Thanks Mike for the info .
Gotta give 'em credit for coming out with something new with this drag design. Love the logo. ;D
I completely agree with the 20 lbs max drag as stated on the website. The 55 lbs on the box has to be a mistake. I had mine buttoned down and the drag star felt bottomed out. My biggest concern is what will future availability of the Triple Thruster drag insert be if this company doesn't make it. I'm going to contact them regarding spares and cost.
-Mike
Quote from: PacRat on June 17, 2021, 02:36:41 AM
I completely agree with the 20 lbs max drag as stated on the website. The 55 lbs on the box has to be a mistake. I had mine buttoned down and the drag star felt bottomed out. I'm retrospect I would have had them spool it with 40 lb mono. I don't believe they were offering braid when I ordered a couple of weeks back. The gears feel nice and smooth and will get better with use. My big concern is what will future availability of the Triple Thruster drag insert be if this company doesn't make it. I'm going to contact them regarding spares and cost.
-Mike
Yup the wording on the box and the paperwork yields to have been interpreted but from Where...lol
Doesn't reeely matter as I was impressed with your tear down and got it free shipping and Free line and 40 bux off .
They have a few Reels listed out of stock .
I remember a small start up car company back in the late 60's that sold for around 1200 dollars with out A/C . A/C was an additional 1200 ...lol and I went to school on them in San Antonio Texas.
The engine in it was a 4 cylinder water cooled Horizontally opposed and had a manual five speed transmission.
People said it would never make it .......... Fuji HEAVY INDUSTRIES which is known as
SUBARU Today.
Maybe the EatMyTackle Company is to be.
I contacted them about spare parts last night and got a reply today in the affirmative that they do have parts o I asked for pricing on the drag assembly and some spare discs . and also asked if they would tell me where they were built Waiting for reply.
Quote from: Wompus Cat on June 17, 2021, 09:43:13 PMI asked for pricing on the drag assembly and some spare discs
How about those brake pads?
Quote from: nelz on June 17, 2021, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: Wompus Cat on June 17, 2021, 09:43:13 PMI asked for pricing on the drag assembly and some spare discs
How about those brake pads?
will ask but the only thing in the schematic is #17 which is the assembly .
Don't show no shoes :(
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These are what I was refering to as 'brake shoes'.
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I accidentally pulled one off while I was checking out the Tripple Thruster drag assembly (Part no. 17). It felt like it may have been glued in place so I was going to re-secure it with superglue. It feels like plastic but I have no idea what kind.
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Here's another view. It will snap into the drag assembly without glue and hopefully it will remain captive and not become loose in there. It may swell and shrink with heat and wear down over time. We'll just have to catch some big fish to find out.
-Mike
Here are some better photos
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Looking at the gear sleeve, it looks like it could accept standard keyed disks along with fiber disks. The main gear has no notches, so eared disks wouldn't work. Anyway, this could still save the reel if drag parts became unavailable.
Still, pulling 55lbs of drag will never happen with this reel without destroying it!
Yup the wording on the box and the paperwork yields to have been interpreted but from Where...lol
Doesn't reeely matter as I was impressed with your tear down and got it free shipping and Free line and 40 bux off .
They have a few Reels listed out of stock .
I remember a small start up car company back in the late 60's that sold for around 1200 dollars with out A/C . A/C was an additional 1200 ...lol and I went to school on them in San Antonio Texas.
The engine in it was a 4 cylinder water cooled Horizontally opposed and had a manual five speed transmission.
People said it would never make it .......... Fuji HEAVY INDUSTRIES which is known as
SUBARU Today.
Maybe the EatMyTackle Company is to be.
[/quote]Let's hope it's not a YUGO.
I just took it apart again and I knocked another one of those brake pads off. They do seem to be glued to the brake shoe. I scraped the surface with an exacto knife to clean the original adhesive off and it seemed like a layer wanted to peel from the pad. It could very possibly be some type of pheonolic material.
This drag design feels pretty smooth but I'd like to see one after a hard workout so we could know what will wear out. The actual friction area seems much less than a conventional disk stack but the friction is applied completely different. I just wonder where the heat goes and what it will do to the grease and components. The frame is likely the weakest link and it does not appear that it will be compatible with any existing Tiburon frames. I would fish this all day at 12 lbs but not certain I would want to go any harder than that without a stronger frame.
Hey PacRat, thanks for posting this, I've been curious about this reel for a while.
Quote from: PacRat on June 18, 2021, 02:43:56 AM
I just took it apart again and I knocked another one of those brake pads off. They do seem to be glued to the brake shoe. I scraped the surface with an exacto knife to clean the original adhesive off and it seemed like a layer wanted to peel from the pad. It could very possibly be some type of pheonolic material.
This drag design feels pretty smooth but I'd like to see one after a hard workout so we could know what will wear out. The actual friction area seems much less than a conventional disk stack but the friction is applied completely different. I just wonder where the heat goes and what it will do to the grease and components. The frame is likely the weakest link and it does not appear that it will be compatible with any existing Tiburon frames. I would fish this all day at 12 lbs but not certain I would want to go any harder than that without a stronger frame.
Well I remember in my younger Hot Rodding years is was NOT a GOOD THING when brake shoes came loose....lol
I would imagine on the setup on this drag the metal would fade the heat if you look you will see air gaps between the slabs of metal the little shoes fit on also.
I do think the shoe should be fixed to the arbor though .
Ok after looking at the closer image you posted I see the pads are held in place by the metal holders on each end so the glue you scraped off is prob just used to aid in assembly and the pads are NOT to be permanently attached.
Now when the pads wear down ?????
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I saw the pads in your first post and was answering Nelz about availability and they are not listed in the schematic but in the Drag assembly only . I am going to inquire about IF you can get just the lil shoes .
I plan on taking mine apart too when I get it hopefully by Sat.
what if main function of "the contraption" is to start Forum Topics? :o
could you replace it w/ a spacer & check what feels different, if anything
looks like plenty meat in gear sidewall to Dremel out some ear grooves ;D
Thanks for the look at that one Mike...very interesting. 8)
Well I got mine coming. Something for amusement. To get the good price you have to go to their website, eatmytackle.com On ebay it's $104. Line choices are clear mono or blue 8 strand braid. On the website you can get the 1000 point bonus for a $10.00 discount.
Cool. Brake shoes. Looks like they're getting a good marketing start; a reasonable Newell facsimile, discounts, an in-your-face company name/logo with the innuendo and possible(intentional?) false drag numbers. Wonder what kinda quality the ball bearings are and why the keyed gear sleeve?
Here's an explanation of how the brakes work.
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This photo is looking at the top (or drag star side). What isn't showing is the next component in the stack which is a heavy thrust washer with a 45 degree bevel around the bottom outside edge. The brake shoes are loosely captive withing the triple thruster hub. The top inside edge of the shoes are beveled to match the bevel of the thrust washer. (Identified by the prentheses). Compressing the stack (hub and thrust washer) via the star spreads the shoes in the direction indicated by the arrows.
-Mike
That is cool. Not that it may be better, stronger or faster somehow; i am just glad that someone is thinking differently and trying something new. Cool.
I wouldn't buy anything from them. From what I've seen all they sell is junk.
Quote from: handi2 on June 19, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
I wouldn't buy anything from them. From what I've seen all they sell is junk.
Well I got my Junk for only 89 Bux ;D
and Like I said I use to spill more than that in a Bar.
I liked the looks of the Teardown PacRat showed us Plus the Neat Logo and Free Sipping and Free Spool of 80 lb. Braid .
Guess I will decide when I get mine in my Hands to tear down and compare .
Can Always make a Lamp or sumpin out of it . Have it Bronzed , Book End, Paper Weight, Target, or loan to one of my in-laws when they reach for my Good Reels. ;D
a bit off-topic... been thinking of something vaguely similar & less involved for UL spinner w/ appropriate metal spool
would have to be small drag well that is intended for 2-stack (no ear groves) & polished inside
size-matched BIG FAT FELT POLISHING DISK from Dremel or such, in place of original drag material
"BIG FAT" compared to drag disks -- as polishing heads go, some are <5mm thick & within range for OD
limited tools -- can't think of neat, clean way to expand ID (just a tight center-hole for mandrel screw)
curious how such drag would behave before & after felt "squeezed out the sides" to engage drag-well sides
Got a reply on Fathers Day to my request for parts availabilty and country of Manufacture from the Company an I was impressed to get ANYTHING back in less than a week or two everyone else takes or refers you to another dept.\
So they may be Junk as I have not gotten mine yet but still they at least care enough to talk to ya.....
Here it is
Hello,
Sorry for the delayed response, I was out of the office Friday.
I'll see what I can do to get the parts you requested tomorrow. I have some available, but may need to order more depending on qty and such. These reels, as well as 90% of everything else in our store, are manufactured at a factory located in Shenyang, China. Some seem to be put off by goods manufactured overseas, but we've been in business with our manufacturer for over 20 years now and make sure everything we sell is of high quality. I'm glad you were impressed with the internals and please just let me know if there's anything more I can do for you!
-Carson, Eat My Tackle
I got mine today. I ordered it with blue 80# braid but it seems to have come with some sort of invisible line. :o ;D I can't seem to find the end to tie a hook on. I even emailed them twice to verify that they will spool it with blue 80# braid. They said it was. DUH!
is it The Emperor's New Braid? ;D ;D ;D
When I ordered mine braid wasn't even on the menu...now I'm glad that I ordered with 30 lb mono. The invisible braid is just too hard to tie with my tired eyes.
-Mike
Just got in and mine arrived Today also .
Box says 55 lbs/ Max Drag .
Has Purty BLUE 80 Pound Braid and I can see it Reel Good. :o
Have it partially torn down and found a Few Flaws as well as a Few ATTABOY's.
I see potential problems in future with the Plastic Frame and end plates however they are well reinforced with the Wide Bars and Metal ones plus has inner and outer Metal Rings to help as well but don't think they will fair well in prolonged sunlight over time ........
Has adjustable Bearing's in Both Side plates and Had to Tweak mine a bit to get rid of the spool rubbing on the Handle side which was making a clicking sound in Free Spool . Don't care for the plastic spacer for Drag adjustment.
The Free Spool Lever is too hard to move in my opinion an I am going to see if I can take some pressure off the springs and maybe lubricate the sliding metal pieces with a better Grease.
All of the (Self Tapping Phillips Head screws ) holding the inner Rings to the Frame were disturbingly LOOSE and some took 3 or 4 full turns to bottom out against the ring .
Nice Light Spool ,Nice Handle , Well made Gears.
Could have been Lubricated better.
Not sure about the Brake shoe disc combination drag system but it looks impressive.
Overall except for a small dent in one of the outer Rings with the Box ,Schematic,Wrench,Custom Cover, FREE 80lb. Blueish Braid, and FREE Shipping I think it is a pretty GOOD DEAL and Time will of course be the True Test in how this Frame and Drag Holds up for sure .
Yeah, to much plastic. I wonder how long the plastic stand will last. It looks like the injection molding machine was working overtime. On the parts list it looks like the only way to get a replacement stand is to buy a complete frame assembly. It looks like that will be neccessary anyway because of the self tapping screws & the use of plastic. It looks like a cheap K Mart type reel. Not worth the price tag even with the discounts. A curiosity at most. Also the drag ramps up to quick.
Quote from: RowdyW on June 23, 2021, 01:17:41 PM
Yeah, to much plastic. I wonder how long the plastic stand will last. It looks like the injection molding machine was working overtime. On the parts list it looks like the only way to get a replacement stand is to buy a complete frame assembly. It looks like that will be neccessary anyway because of the self tapping screws & the use of plastic. It looks like a cheap K Mart type reel. Not worth the price tag even with the discounts. A curiosity at most. Also the drag ramps up to quick.
Well you really won't need to mess with the plastic and self tapping screws to service the Reel and on the Drag I am going to do a little polishing on the bottom of the main gear (it has some rough places ) then make a steel bushing (Spacer) instead of Plastic use some Cal's on the discs to see if that will help .
You are Right on about the Drag !
The Fine Threaded should finesse a little better increasing Drag.
One more lil detail .On the Bottom of the Gearside Plate is a Hole to allow water to drain out.
I still ain't figured out what the Hell EATMY means in Manderin ,
Maybe GOTCHA ?
Quote from: philaroman on June 21, 2021, 11:46:19 PM
is it The Emperor's New Braid? ;D ;D ;D
Just Hit Me ...........roflmao
"I wonder how long the plastic stand will last."
I just double-checked mine and the base is definitely metal. It looks just like the old Newell bases but without the black paint.
I was really hoping these would be compatible with Tiburon frames but that's not the case. Some of the bridge parts may be compatible. The shift lever seems very close to a Newell 500 series lever but might need the hole to be opened up a little. According to the parts list the screws and threads are metric so that might flow over to the gearsleeve and all related threaded components like the drag-star and handle nut (I didn't have time to try them). The keyed washers and handle do fit a Newell gear sleeve. I also did not have time to check the bridge (hole spacing and center-to-center for the gearsleeve and pinion).
It's not a bad reel but it is also not a Newell. It does share a lot of common design elements.
-Mike
I've been doing a little TWEAKING and got the Drag working much Smoother and the Free Spool Lever engagement much easier and no Scraping .
There are two washers missing on mine between the Star and the Handle which would put tension on the star to keep it from moving :( .
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How bout yours Mike,Rowdy ?
I did not see them in Mike's Tear Down?
Here I found some Rough Edges and Filed and finished with 2000 Sand paper
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Bent this spring to take some of heavy pressure off the lever for Free Spool
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Found the Bottom of Main Gear Rough so sanded and polished a bit .Also neither of the friction disc had any kind of drag grease so I put an ample supply of Cal's on them .
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After filing the rough edges of the obvious Stamped piece I put some good ol Chasis Grease on the pieces and reassembled
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I also took these springs out and replaced them with some I made from Ballpoint Pens .Much less Tension !
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Back together and has SMOOTH DRAG Control all through the Range plus the Free Spool Lever is easier to move and doesn't grind .Added the Space Age TSI oil in the Bearings and it seems to be as Smooth as a Frogs Butt!!
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Your handle arm is on backwards. ;D Mine is missing the same 2 washers.
Quote from: RowdyW on June 24, 2021, 12:49:48 AM
Your handle arm is on backwards. ;D
Absolutely ,with my knuckles I put them on this away. ;D
Here I fixed it ;D
Quote from: Rowdy,W on June 24, 2021, 12:49:48 AM
Your handle arm is on backwards. ;D Mine is missing the same 2 washers.
They have the parts I asked about earlier in this thread and are going to send them to me and I e-mailed them back for price and I asked them for the washers. Have not heard back yet
I sent them an email for the 2 washers too. I guess I should order some spare parts too. What handle arm did you use as a replacement? I tried a 113H arm the length of the hole is a snug fit but the width is very sloppy. ::)
Quote from: Wompus Cat on June 23, 2021, 01:55:59 PM
Quote from: philaroman on June 21, 2021, 11:46:19 PM
is it The Emperor's New Braid? ;D ;D ;D
Just Hit Me ...........roflmao
Hans never gets old
you seem like the type of guy who'll open the reel after 1st real use, to see what's up
those pen springs will prob. rust as soon as they smell salt air -- might want SS replacements handy
maybe, leave the originals compressed in a vise for a while for "fast break-in"
I received this email from EatMyTackle today.
Here are some answers given to me by our manufacturer:
1) The thruster drag is completely new to me. Do they wear out over time?
Over time there will be wear, but we have not received any requests for replacements since this type of brake has been sold (over 4 years).
The brake shoes expand outward when the star drag is screwed down, therefore any wear off on the carbon shoe is taken up when the star drag screws down.
Maintenance- the wear off is not a factor- If the surface becomes polished from constant rubbing of the carbon shoe against the spool rim, take a very fine sandpaper and rough the carbon surface again.
2) How much does a drag replacement cost?
The whole drag assembly can be purchased for $10
3) Do I replace just the drag shoes or the entire triple thruster assembly?
The entire assembly must be replaced.
4) Should the flat carbon washers be greased or should I always run them dry?
Do not oil, keep dry.
[/quote]Posted by: philaroman
Hans never gets old
you seem like the type of guy who'll open the reel after 1st real use, to see what's up
those pen springs will prob. rust as soon as they smell salt air -- might want SS replacements handy
maybe, leave the originals compressed in a vise for a while for "fast break-in"
[/quote]
Ahh yes Hans Christian Anderson not to be cornfused with Hans Conreid of Fractured Flickers Fame.....
The springs I used are stainless not reely out of Ink Pen but basic same size so I used as descript.
Very Good Point Though!
QuotePosted by: PacRat
Insert Quote
"I wonder how long the plastic stand will last."
I just double-checked mine and the base is definitely metal. It looks just like the old Newell bases but without the black paint.
I had not noticed the foot and holder were Metal . Thanks for that info .
So with the two Wide Bars ,three screws in Foot per side and the single Bar at top you reely have the equivalent of Eight Supports in the Plastic Frame along with the Rings this MIGHT hold up a while .
The Reel is Smaller than the Penn 113 and bigger than the Squidder . It is about 84.6 mm Around the Side plates.
QuoteFrom PacRat
4) Should the flat carbon washers be greased or should I always run them dry?
Do not oil, keep dry.
RUT RO !
I Greased mine with Cals and Like it .......
Hope I didn't Woid my Varranty :o
LOOPHOLE #1 They did not say not to GREASE EM now did they ;D
I think it is closer to a 112H in size , just a little over a 1/4" wider.
Thanks to Mike and Henry for satisfying my curiosity.
I can spend $80 and get a mint USA made 113h on eBay and never worry about getting parts, or be concerned about unknown weak links. A plastic China made reel is a whole nother ball game
Quote from: Maxed Out on June 24, 2021, 03:02:48 AM
Thanks to Mike and Henry for satisfying my curiosity.
I can spend $80 and get a mint USA made 113h on eBay and never worry about getting parts, or be concerned about unknown weak links. A plastic a China made reel is a whole nother ball game
Well there is That but I would think it a Sacrilege to Do what we are gonna do with these Reels to a MINT 113H ::)
Quote1) The thruster drag is completely new to me. Do they wear out over time?
Over time there will be wear, but we have not received any requests for replacements since this type of brake has been sold (over 4 years).
The brake shoes expand outward when the star drag is screwed down, therefore any wear off on the carbon shoe is taken up when the star drag screws down.
Maintenance- the wear off is not a factor- If the surface becomes polished from constant rubbing of the carbon shoe against the spool rim, take a very fine sandpaper and rough the carbon surface again.
Well those lil shoes don't appear to me to be Carbon but more like a Silicone Based Material and are actually soft not a hardened surface like most Carbon materials I have used and I did not use any oil or Grease on those ,just the Real Carbon Type Washers inside of Main gear and on the Bottom of it .
btw the explanation here seems like another one of the Translation department close to English explanations like the 55 pound Max. Drag on the Box.
Kinda like trying to understand a Guy using Sign Language that Stutters.
oh, I think I figured out the 55 thing:
some marketing bright boy decided "20" was KG, converted to LB & rounded up... VERY liberally: by adding 10
Quote from: philaroman on June 24, 2021, 03:50:41 AM
oh, I think I figured out the 55 thing:
some marketing bright boy decided "20" was KG, converted to LB & rounded up... VERY liberally: by adding 10
One thing I am absolutely positive about is
I dunno !
Quote from: RowdyW on June 24, 2021, 01:18:23 AM
I sent them an email for the 2 washers too. I guess I should order some spare parts too. What handle arm did you use as a replacement? I tried a 113H arm the length of the hole is a snug fit but the width is very sloppy. ::)
Rowdy ,
I just hung a monster 114 Handle on there for Grins . It don't even come close to touching the shaft....lol
Still looking for a good fitting one .Probably going to have to file out one of my power Handles off an other brand of import Reel I have laying around . Will post whn I find it .
Quote from: Wompus Cat on June 24, 2021, 04:00:37 AM
Quote from: philaroman on June 24, 2021, 03:50:41 AM
oh, I think I figured out the 55 thing:
some marketing bright boy decided "20" was KG, converted to LB & rounded up... VERY liberally: by adding 10
One thing I am absolutely positive about is
I dunno !
False advertising. Easy to do if they keep getting away with it.
I'd like to see a photo of what that reel looks like after attempting to pull out line at say, 50lbs of pressure? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! ;D
Cat, any chance a Newell handle arm might fit? I don't have any Newells to try. Across the flats is .249" (1/4") & the length of the rounded end is .340" .
Quote from: RowdyW on June 27, 2021, 07:22:00 PM
Cat, any chance a Newell handle arm might fit? I don't have any Newells to try. Across the flats is .249" (1/4") & the length of the rounded end is .340" .
Well I don't have any Newells either per se to check
(Thanks for the Measurements)
But I have GOBS of Handles to go through and will find something I'm sure .I THINK some old Shakespeare DEEP SEA sizes will work but not confirmed.
May have to make an insert to make one of Alan's or Ted's Blanks to fit and go from there .
Newell handles fit. Alan T's stainless steel Newell Handles fit also...so I would presume The Pro Challenger Newell handles fit also.
-Mike
Quote from: RowdyW on June 27, 2021, 07:22:00 PM
Cat, any chance a Newell handle arm might fit? I don't have any Newells to try. Across the flats is .249" (1/4") & the length of the rounded end is .340" .
I measured a Newell handle ID at 0.257" across the flats and 0.399" at the rounded end. So any Newell or Newell pattern aftermarket handle should fit with a little slop to spare.
-Mike
Thanks Mike, I'd like an aluminum handle to keep the weight down but BP is out of them. Rudy
I got an email this morning from EMT. The manufacturer doesn't know why those washers were omitted during assembly. They are going to send those washers to EMT who will then forward them to me (& I guess whoever else is missing them). Rudy
Mike or Cat, do you have any problem mounting the reel on a rod? I have tried 6 different rods & brands but the feet on the reel is too wide & stubby. I can't believe that they say that they have been selling this reel a long time & only now they are having problems. I know I could file the feet narrower but they are still short. That shouldn't be neccessary. I sent them another email, let's see what they have to say.
Yep I had the Same problem .Their seat is a wide profile and requires a Rod Butt with same dimensions .I have mine mounted on a Daiwa #3229 10ft Rod and the Rod Clamp that comes with the Reel is pretty much a necessity.
I will post some pix in a bit .
I noticed this on thier site in the description but you have to click on MORE to see it but thought nuttin of it .It should say WIDER SLIDING RINGS (another interpretationanal BOO BOO me thinks !
Triple thruster brake pads inside a drum brake system
Mono Line Capacity: 30lb/460yds
Neoprene reel cover included
Do note the reel tabs will only fit "sliding ring" reel seats.
2 YEAR WARRANTY AGAINST MANUFACTURING DEFECTS, THE LONGEST IN THE INDUSTRY.
They also Sell Rods ! Gimmick ? or Coinkydink ?
The width of a Common Surf /Casting Reel Slider thingy is @.58in/14.8 mm and the Daiwa 3229 that will receive the EATMYTACKLE Reel we bought is @.73in /18.3mm if that helps when looking for a suitable Rod.
I corrected the units of measure above .It was EARLY this morn ::)
I've got over 35 conventional rods and I won't buy a special rod just for this reel. I even tried it on my 200# rod for my 16/0 & it didn't fit that either. It won't fit my 6/0 Senator rod either. I'd say it is up to the seller to provide a reel that will fit a majority of rods. I'm waiting to see what EMT has to say. It won't even fit on my manual line winder.
Quote from: RowdyW on June 30, 2021, 11:26:31 AM
I've got over 35 conventional rods and I won't buy a special rod just for this reel. I even tried it on my 200# rod for my 16/0 & it didn't fit that either. It won't fit my 6/0 Senator rod either. I'd say it is up to the seller to provide a reel that will fit a majority of rods. I'm waiting to see what EMT has to say.
I hear you Brother . I just got LUCKY to have a Rod in my Stash and it is a bit misleading if you read the Description as it DOES say you need Rods with Sliding Rings which in Theory will suffice but in Reality it needs to say You Need a Rod with .72.in/ 18.3mm width Rings/HOOD'S to fit our Stubby Footed Reel .
I am going throgh some of my old Montague Rods that I have some OCEAN CITY Squared off Feet Reels on to see if they will work and IF they will you are welcome to one of them .
This is certainly been a Larning x-perisense huh?
Like to hear From MIKE on his .
I'm beginning to hear an echo from Keith as to what he said about EMT.
well, IT WAS IN THE NAME!!!
just a different/idiomatic definition of "eat" -- as in, absorb/write-off an expense
you buy their reel; realize it doesn't fit your rods; gotta' eat the reel :'( :'( :'(
Ok, got into the Cobwebs in my Garage just now here at Home and Dug out some Old South Bend
( KWIK STIX) Model 1576A Saltwater 2piece Rods and The EATMYTACKLE REEL fits Fine and Dandy.
I think Wallyworld still carry's this line and you should be able to pick up one for 30 bux or Less. I paid around 15 bux 20 or so years ago .
These Rods have Wider HOODS on them to Accommodate all kinds of configuration of Spinning,Conventional,Surf,Closed Face ,Open Faced,Left Hand,Right Hand ,Ambidextrose ;D,
or Small winches you can come with .
Problema Risolto!
I'm waiting for an answer from EMT. If they can't resolve this I'll ask for a refund. If that won't work I'll fill a greivence with ebay & paypal. It isn't worth my time & effort. I can just use one of my 112H's. Out of the box it's 10X their reel. It will last through many generations. This EMT reel will be lucky to last past my next birthday. And parts, FAI.
I just heard back from EMT. They don't have any replacement bases. They will take a return. I'm just debating whether to file the foot narrower or return it. I see that parts availability is going to be a problem even with a new reel.
Quote from: RowdyW on June 30, 2021, 01:10:39 PM
I just heard back from EMT. They don't have any replacement bases. They will take a return. I'm just debating whether to file the foot narrower or return it. I see that parts availability is going to be a problem even with a new reel.
I have some spare parts coming from them. Drag assembly, a couple of Fiber Washers, and hopefully the Missing Washers .
I bet the Feet per say are Available just not smaller Profiles like you need to fit your Rods.
With the Short profile I would not try to Modify the foot to fit as that would certainly Kill your chances of returning it I would think .
I don't work for them nor am their Rep in any fashion but I am in For the Gauntlet. Just sumpin to do ....lol
I would honor my offer to send you a Rod which will work at no chingaladas just pay the Return of My Shipping Tube) ( as I have a few older Rods I won't be using ) and have been more than Rewarded through the OHANA here in the past) or just send it back like they said you could . I don't blame you a bit .
I hate to see you cut out on the Reel as it will leave just me and PacRat in the Cheapo Chino Reelo Clubo :(
and when he finds out the Rod Fit Prob ?????????
The only way to get another foot is to purchase the complete frame assembly. None of the frame parts are sold seperately.
I have one rod that this reel fits. It's an old 1990's SeaStalker Yellowtail Special That I typically fish with a Newell or Penn. At this point I think I'll file the foot on the EMT so that it will fit just about any rod. I think I'll hold off until I do a complete pre-use service. I'll post photos and dimensions when I do this.
They accidentally spooled this with 20 lb mono and I didn't catch it until it started eating line. They said they would send me new line but I'll have to strip the 20 (and there's 550 yards of it!) I'm concerned that the 80 lb braid might do the same thing but I'll just put a heavy top-shot on it.
-Mike
Mike, it seems like just 1/16" has to be removed from each side & a slight rounding off of the upper edges. At least the stand & clamp are aluminum not plastic even if they are just cast aluminum. Rudy
With all this going on, what makes you guys want to keep this reel? Is there something unusually appealing about it?
Curiosity killed the cat...someone had to be first. Carl Newell set the bar high. I was hoping there would be more cross-compatibility with Newell. Could you imagine all the possibilities if this were compatible with Tiburon frames and Newell spools or if the drop-out bridges and gears could interchange? The 'Triple Thruster Drag' is intriguing but hasn't been proven yet. I intend to dial it in as well as it can be and see where it goes from there.
-Mike
Quote from: nelz on July 01, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
With all this going on, what makes you guys want to keep this reel? Is there something unusually appealing about it?
I bought one cuz PacRat showed it torn down and I liked the looks .
Plus it is Purdy and has a Purdy girlie Picture on the Box.
That's what I live for is Purdy Fishing Reels and Purdy Girlie Pictures and larnin to Speak Mandarin so I can order parts for it ;D
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 01, 2021, 12:26:18 PM
Quote from: nelz on July 01, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
With all this going on, what makes you guys want to keep this reel? Is there something unusually appealing about it?
I bought one cuz PacRat showed it torn down and I liked the looks .
Plus it is Purdy and has a Purdy girlie Picture on the Box.
That's what I live for is Purdy Fishing Reels and Purdy Girlie Pictures and larnin to Speak Mandarin so I can order parts for it ;D
Me too.. What he said... ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 01, 2021, 12:26:18 PMThat's what I live for is Purdy Fishing Reels and Purdy Girlie Pictures and larnin to Speak Mandarin so I can order parts for it ;D
ROFL, you are too much man. I can relate, I shoulda known the girlie pic was involved. ;D
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I hate to see you cut out on the Reel as it will leave just me and PacRat in the Cheapo Chino Reelo Clubo :(
[/quote]Well I'm now a lifetime member of the Cheapo Chino Reelo Clubo. I ground down the feet on the stand with a grinding wheel in my battery power drill. I used a Tiburon foot for a pattern. Now it will fit all my rods. ;D ;D CCRC Lives!
which CCRC ??? top 10 don't fit context :-\
https://www.allacronyms.com/CCRC
I just sent it for validation. :D Do we have to elect officers? :D
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by WOMPUS CAT
I hate to see you cut out on the Reel as it will leave just me and PacRat in the Cheapo Chino Reelo Clubo :(
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Quote from: RowdyW on July 03, 2021, 12:26:17 PM
Well I'm now a lifetime member of the Cheapo Chino Reelo Clubo. I ground down the feet on the stand with a grinding wheel in my battery power drill. I used a Tiburon foot for a pattern. Now it will fit all my rods. ;D ;D CCRC Lives!
Actually CCRC is a Division of
PFRAPGPC
PRETTY FISHING REELS AND PRETTY GIRLY PICTURES CLUB
Quote from: RowdyW on July 03, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
I just sent it for validation. :D Do we have to elect officers? :D
Well since PacRat got his Reel First and You got yours Second and I got mine last then it would only be fitting to have PacRat as President
Rowdy as Vice President
and I would be honored to serve as
Seargent of Arms in Charge of The BOOZE
These positions would be LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 03, 2021, 02:02:55 PM
by WOMPUS CAT
I hate to see you cut out on the Reel as it will leave just me and PacRat in the Cheapo Chino Reelo Clubo :(
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Quote from: RowdyW on July 03, 2021, 12:26:17 PM
Well I'm now a lifetime member of the Cheapo Chino Reelo Clubo. I ground down the feet on the stand with a grinding wheel in my battery power drill. I used a Tiburon foot for a pattern. Now it will fit all my rods. ;D ;D CCRC Lives!
Actually CCRC is a Division of
PFRAPGPC
PRETTY FISHING REELS AND PRETTY GIRLY PICTURES CLUB
Quote from: RowdyW on July 03, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
I just sent it for validation. :D Do we have to elect officers? :D
Well since PacRat got his Reel First and You got yours Second and I got mine last then it would only be fitting to have PacRat as President
Rowdy as Vice President
and I would be honored to serve as
Seargent of Arms in Charge of The BOOZE
These positions would be LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS
[/quote] How about CoCoRoCo & we still need a seceratary & I ain't wearing no skirt. :D Aye on the booze
I second the motion. Pour the booze.
Got my Spares Today and COOZY with a PURDY GIRLIE on it ;D
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Hey Cat, lay out the parts so we can see what you consider the most needed. I serviced mine and I have an idea of what I should order for backup but I like to see what others think is the most neccessary. I serviced mine yesterday & painted the modified stand (semi gloss blk.). They sure were skimpy with their grease. The spool shafts were bone dry. I've got the rod picked out. A BPS Sea Lion, 7 ft., 20-40#. I going to spool it today with 60# braid with a 40# top shot. When we start fishing these we will have to see who can catch the biggest and the heaviest fish with this reel. A thing that will be ongoing to be continually topped. "A mans got to know his (reels) limits". ::)
I ordered a Shoe Brake thingy and a couple of Friction Discs and got all this . ;D
Plus the Pretty GIRLIE COOZY ::)
They priced the orig. order at @12 bux including shipping but did not bill me .
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hey, they're definitely tryin'
synthetic sideplates good enough to be tapped for fine-thread screws, might be a good idea for version 2.0
All our prior customers said it was worth $X price-bump, might be a good advertising ploy
making new/better sideplates compatible/available/affordable to prior customers, would be BRILLIANT P/R
No threads in the side plates. Screws thread into metal inserts in the frame. The plates are reinforced with inner & outer rings. The frame is pretty thin & whimpey.
Had to !
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Plug don't just pull out
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DON'T TELL TED !!!!
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So what holds that cap in the handle? Friction or glue? I might just drill a tiny lube hole in mine.
I did what Rudy did and filed the base today so it now fits just about any rod I have. I will likely put it on a $35.00 UglyStick. My nephew has a bat-ray hole down in Long Beach and I might just toss it his way for a good work-out.
I wonder what the patent status is with Newell or Valley Manufacturing because there is almost zero cross-comparability with parts. These things are like a Newell in appearance only. My curiosity is satisfied and all that's left to do is give the EMT a good pre-fish lube and put it to work.
-Mike
That Cap won't Come out without Drilling it out .It is .38 thick.
AND I thought the Handle/Blade was Metal but Nope it is Plastic.
I am going to custom make a Blade .Prob out of Aluminum next .
I used some of the washers I got and put where the ones were missing and it Makes the Star
stat put now .
does anybody think oldskool oiled saddle leather could be used to replace "drum pads"
sorry, startin' early... eenglis not gut
Quote from: philaroman on July 04, 2021, 11:13:04 PM
does anybody think oldskool oiled saddle leather could be used to replace "drum pads"
sorry, startin' early... eenglis not gut
Well it would be a Trick .I think Bacon Rind would be easier to cut and fit in the small space , Plus you got bait in a pinch! ::)
ps your German/Spanish not that great neither ....lol
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 04, 2021, 11:04:30 PM
That Cap won't Come out without Drilling it out .It is .38 thick.
AND I thought the Handle/Blade was Metal but Nope it is Plastic.
I am going to custom make a Blade .Prob out of Aluminum next .
I used some of the washers I got and put where the ones were missing and it Makes the Star
stat put now .
Black Pearl produces a few Newell style arms that will probably fit but are out of stock right now. Check out his web site. I'll make a change when he gets restocked. I like his offset aluminum one. I already have a t bar knob from Gomexus ready to go. I just don't like those paddle handles on this reel & the later Penn's.
I'm sorry to hear that the EMT handles are plastic. I was hoping they had a steel core under the plastic. The Black Pearl handles are available on ebay but are quite expensive because of the excise tax and 3rd party vendor. I still like them a lot though. I would purchase the Black Pearl handle for one of my genuine Newells and then move the Newell handle to the EMT.
-Mike
I have Newell frames and center pieces for 113H but don't have a Complete Newell Reel I can find anyway ....
Here are dimensions of the EMT Handle.
The elongation is .39in 9.9mm and is .32in 8.2mm wide
If you have a Newell handle to measure or any Handle with those dimensions .
Quote from: PacRat on July 04, 2021, 11:53:17 PM
I'm sorry to hear that the EMT handles are plastic. I was hoping they had a steel core under the plastic. The Black Peal handles are available on ebay but are quite expensive because of the excise tax and 3rd party vendor. I still like them a lot though. I would purchase the Black Pearl handle for one of my genuine Newells and then move the Newell handle to the EMT.
-Mike
Mike, buy your handles directly from BP, just send him a pm. The dealer selling his products on ebay is outrageous. Get the Gomexus knobs on ebay directly from the manufacture in China. T bars $19.95 shipped free. 80mm length probably best for 113 or smaller. 100mm probably best for 114 & larger. JMO
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 05, 2021, 12:37:10 AM
I have Newell frames and center pieces for 113H but don't have a Complete Newell Reel I can find anyway ....
Here are dimensions of the EMT Handle.
The elongation is .39in 9.9mm and is .32in 8.2mm wide
If you have a Newell handle to measure or any Handle with those dimensions .
Cat I think you had better remeasure. I measured the sleeve and the rounded end is .340" & across the flats is .249". Newell arms should fit without alteration.
Quote from: RowdyW on July 05, 2021, 01:04:18 AM
Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 05, 2021, 12:37:10 AM
I have Newell frames and center pieces for 113H but don't have a Complete Newell Reel I can find anyway ....
Here are dimensions of the EMT Handle.
The elongation is .39in 9.9mm and is .32in 8.2mm wide
If you have a Newell handle to measure or any Handle with those dimensions .
Cat I think you had better remeasure. I measured the sleeve and the rounded end is .340" & across the flats is .249". Newell arms should fit without alteration.
Those measurements I posted are of the Hole in the Handle and are accurate.
If the item you are trying to put over another is the same size as the item you are putting it over; well you could only Butt them together . Unless you shrink the sleeve in the Freezer and heat the Handle to expand it them to fit then you would have a Snug Fit .
I agree with your Sleeve measurement as it is smaller than my Handle Measurement .
Don't know come here from sic em about Newell guts but assume the Gear sleeve on the model you are using for comparisons is smaller than the Penn113H sleeve.?
The measurements are from the EMT sleeve. Mike said earlier that the Newell handle will fit.
Quote from: RowdyW on July 05, 2021, 02:21:39 AM
The measurements are from the EMT sleeve. Mike said earlier that the Newell handle will fit.
We are on the Same Page just a different Paragraph....lol
Can you get the Measurements from Mike of the Hole in the Newell Handle and post them .
Check Mike's post on page 5, reply #60 & 61.
Yep I got it BUT I think you will need to do some filing to make the Newell Handle fit about .0025 long and .0075 width .
No Biggy but I don't think it will just fall on . Wish I had one here to check .
I ordered a Newell ss handle arm from Alan. I'll let you know how it fits when it gets here.
I tried both a Newell and Alan T's ss Newell handle and they both fit nicely without alteration. Either handle fits without removing the clip from the end of the gear sleeve.
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The Boss' ss Newell handle
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A Newell 500 Series handle
-Mike
Don't need no stinking Calipers !
Seeing is Believing ;D ;D
The Boss will have another order ;D
Thanks Mike!
The Boss is donating a ss arm to me for the EMT H 346 Improvement Project. Thanks again Alan. My next step is to replace the plastic star. I've first got to figure out what the thread size is. Maybe I can drill out & rethread an existing star.
Quote from: RowdyW on July 05, 2021, 01:57:43 PM
The Boss is donating a ss arm to me for the EMT H 346 Improvement Project. Thanks again Alan. My next step is to replace the plastic star. I've first got to figure out what the thread size is. Maybe I can drill out & re- thread an existing star.
I have no less than 30 different thread pitch gauges AMS,Whitworth ,Brit Standard ,French Standard,German Metric,Pipe Thread,Japanese Industrial Standard and some odd ones and have not found a match yet .
Seems some of the Chinese Pitches are a Metric but at a weird angle .
So my official observation is
I DUNNO!!
I'm not familiar with metric threads. How do you count the threads, by mm, cm, or what? Any way you can get a reading on the thread on the sleeve?
I can't answer on the metric threads but I'm curious as to the design parameters of this reel. It's almost as if it was designed to be a bastard with zero interchangeability with Newell parts. Every time I look at it I run into another road-block and I can't decide if it's intentional or just ignorance of the potential marketability of this reel.
Take the drag star for instance; not compatible with Newell or Penn. One would think you could just swap in a Newell gear sleeve and then Newell and after-market drag stars will fit, problem solved. I haven't tried this yet but I will wager that the bridge stud is either the wrong length, wrong diameter, or both.
I don't like top bars and I thought about eliminating it but; you can't use the Newell blind nuts because the threads are different. You might be able to use the blind nut and screws from a Newell but there are plastic frame tabs involved also so the top bar will remain. I'm also not comfortable with eliminating the bar without a Tib frame but this is a no-go also.
My original intent with the purchase was just to satisfy my curiosity (hoping that many parts would exchange with Newell. As I'm seeing it so far; interchangeability will be limited handles, gear sleeve washers, possibly the shift lever (400 and 500 Series only). So a couple of the parts would be a substitute but I was hoping for readily available parts for some of my Newells in the future but not the other way around.
I really think the designers missed the boat by not building something similar to the 200 or 300 series first. It just seems like a more useful size (for the west coast anyway).
-Mike
Quote from: RowdyW on July 05, 2021, 07:31:05 PM
I'm not familiar with metric threads. How do you count the threads, by mm, cm, or what? Any way you can get a reading on the thread on the sleeve?
Will take a Dowell rod and run it through the Star and get an imprint off it and go from there .
Threads are Definitely Fine.
You will need to talk to someone that runs a screw Machine to get # of threads on a given length of different thread pitches . All I know is there are 40 threads per inch on an a U.S. Standard Starett Hand Held Micrometer.
And 20 threads per cm on Metric Micrometers.
rule of thumb is 1 inch is equal to about 25 mm
Wouldn't it just be easier & more accurate to remove the sleeve and use that for measurements?
A Cortez Newell gear sleeve might be an 'almost drop-in' solution. The CC 10-tooth gear sleeve will fit the EMT bridge and will just be slightly short. A brass shim washer or delrin washer under the gear sleeve will likely line every thing up nicely. But that will not be mission accomplished because you will still need to ream or slightly relieve the main gear and triple thruster assembly as they are slightly tighter than the CC gear sleeve OD. You might also be able to just swap in a Newell main and pinion at this point but if one is going to do all that, why not just start out with a genuine Newell? The gear sleeve swap will save you the hassle of re-threading a different drag star. With that said, the EMT plastic drag star looks like it has a pretty good insert that seems pretty secure. I would only be concerned with breaking a point off the drag star but that's unlikely.
The CC gear sleeve looks like it will play well with the EMT AR dog but the opposite is not the case. If a EMT gear sleeve was used in a Newell the AR dog will need to be re-worked. The AR ratchet on a Newell or CC gear sleeve is a much smaller diameter than the EMT.
The bridges are not interchangeable due to C-C on the mounting holes (plate diameters are different too). The C-C from the pinion center to the Center of the gear sleeve post are very close and may actually be close enough to exchange gears but I'm not going down that rabbit-hole.
-Mike
That gives us plenty to kick around for now. The only thing is I can't see dumping much money into this reel. I might as well buy a used Newell then. I looking to make this a make it myself mostly project & try to modify spare parts from other reels if possible. Like when somebody replaces their sleeve with a CC sleeve & they will part with a good used sleeve. Right now I think it's time to take them to the water (fresh or salt) & see how they hold up.
Quote from: RowdyW on July 05, 2021, 09:51:04 PM
Wouldn't it just be easier & more accurate to remove the sleeve and use that for measurements?
Sure but I got mine all together with my mods and full of line,Teds Ergonomic Soft Extra long Handle and mounted on an old Daiwa 10 Ft Rod with the Proper size Hoods and no Filing of the Foot and gonna do some fishing if it EVER STOPS RAINING here ...lol
is that the good ole' orange-brown Daiwa glass Surf?
Quote from: philaroman on July 06, 2021, 12:20:10 AM
is that the good ole' orange-brown Daiwa glass Surf?
Yepper Daiwa 10Foot #3229
sweet... tried & liked short UL -- sorta' "econo-Fenwicky" ;D
I've got to say that the customer service at EMT has been very easy to deal with. My reel arrived with 20 lb mono on it. I had ordered it with 30 lb so it wouldn't eat line. When I was testing the drag, the line kept breaking at 20 lbs. Then the reel eventually ate the line so I got out the calipers and measured it. It was in fact 20 lb so I contacted EMT customer service and not only did they send me line...it was 80 lb braid. I'm very happy with their customer service.
The missing washers are not in stock right now so I'll have to wait a couple of weeks for those. The reel seems to function okay without the washers but it will likely need them as the reel breaks in. One of the missing washers is the keyed washer that sits on top of the belleville washers. I could see the possibility of running out off drag adjustment as the brake shoes wear in and/or the bellevilles flatten out a bit.
-Mike
I was ready to contact EMT again for the washers. I'm glad that you let me know that they are not in stock yet. When they sent my reel it had no line on it. I contacted them and they sent me a spool of blue 80# braid, 2 coolies, & a couple of girlie decals. ;D They never told me that they didn't have the washers. I should be getting the handle arm Sat. It's shiny ss so I am going to paint it semi gloss black to match the stand I painted. I wound up spooling it with my line, 80# braid & a top shot ( about 1/3 of the spool) of 30# Berkley Solar Green. I'll just save the EMT braid for another time.
ATTENTION
Mr.President and Mr. Vice President of the CCRC Division of PFRAPGPC ;D
The washers that are missing go between the Handle and Star and Keep Tension on the Star to help keep it from backing off .You can use some used Penn Drag washers to put in there probably. The lack of these will not affect the drag just the Tension . I don't like the Plastic spacer though that pushes on the Drag Stack so am making one out of Metal when I get time .
I'm going to make my spacer after I get the correct washers. Then I'll know if I should lengthen or shorten the spacer for a custom fit.
I'm missing items 13 and 6. Item 6 is the keyed washer that goes on top of the bellevilles and under the spacer sleeve. It works without it but I may run out of travel on the drag star as the brake shoes wear in and the bellevilles flatten out a little. In a pinch I can put just about any washer in there but the design calls for a keyed washer. The washer between the star and handle (Item 6) doesn't concern me so much because my drag star is a bit sticky and won't move unless I turn it. I put grease on the gear sleeve and this is helping the threads to smooth out a bit.
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I just measured the spacer sleeve in the H346, length .284", diameter .576", ID .394" . The spacer sleeve from a 112H, 500, etc. is.500" long or less, .525" dia., ID .404". We might be able to rework the length & make it work. We all should have some of them in our spare parts stash. If it works I have a small lathe that I can use to shorten them. If either one of you doesn't have a way to shorten them I can do it for you & mail them out. Let's see if my lathe can grip something that short.
I probably could have got by with the Rough threads to make the Star Harder to Turn but I cleaned all the threads with my Jewelers File then polished them off with some valve lapping compound so the star Free-spools pretty all the way from end to end ...lol
I have an extra set of these if you need them Mike. Can't believe your reel works right with out the Tapered shim p/m me your addy.
So is that Item 6 (101-205 Washer t0.8) on top? I would have never guessed because the schematic makes it look like a flat-washer.
I'm also curious about Item 13 (keyed washer). I thought I might have something similar in my Newell stash but I didn't. Maybe I need to dig a little deeper?
-Mike
Here is the #'s and descrip from list
You were missing two completely different washers than me. I imagine your thruster drag didn't work at all without the beveled washer (or 'forced tight ring'). Your handle must have been wobbly as hell too.
At least mine worked right out of the box. I'm just concerned that it might stop working.
I need to go back and see which washers Rudy is missing.
-Mike
Quote from: PacRat on July 08, 2021, 11:14:37 PM
You were missing too completely different washers than me. I imagine your thruster drag didn't work at all without the beveled washer (or 'forced tight ring'). Your handle must have been wobbly as hell too.
At least mine worked right out of the box. I'm just concerned that it might stop working.
I need to go back and see which washers Rudy is missing.
-Mike
I mis read your post.I thought you were missing 6 and 16 .
My Reel works Flawlessly even after I fixed it ...lol
THe only washers I had missing were the ones between the Star and Handle ....
For me it was 6 and 13.
13 concerns me the most because it adds thickness to the drag assembly.
I'm not really sure what 6 does as the schematic shows it as a typical flat-washer. Is 6 curved so it doesn't float around between the 5 and 7?
-Mike
I put a Domed Shaped Washer in for #6 they sent in the mess of parts I got .
AND NOW I don't remember if mine has the #13 or not so will tear back into it BUT there is plenty of space on mine for Drag adj.
The way I keep tearing back into this I think I am going to get the wife to make me a Zipper to put on it.
I'm missing washers 5 & 6. I don't know if 6 is flat or curved since it's missing. 13 is a keyed washer so it doesn't turn to not wear out the plastic spacer when the drag assembly under it is spinning.
Gee Billy you be careful, your wife might just zip your pockets up, I never worry about washers between the star & the handle, there just a waste to me, cheers Don.
Quote from: PacRat on July 09, 2021, 12:09:51 AM
For me it was 6 and 13.
13 concerns me the most because it adds thickness to the drag assembly.
I'm not really sure what 6 does as the schematic shows it as a typical flat-washer. Is 6 curved so it doesn't float around between the 5 and 7?
-Mike
Quote from: RowdyW on July 09, 2021, 01:08:39 AM
I'm missing washers 5 & 6. I don't know if 6 is flat or curved since it's missing. 13 is a keyed washer so it doesn't turn to not wear out the plastic spacer when the drag assembly under it is spinning.
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Ok here goes .
I broke mine down again and Mike the 13 is just a thin Round washer and you can install it just by removing the handle and spacer .
If you use the Stock handle you need a fat or Curved washer and possibly a keyed on top between the Star and Handle and I got my Alan Tani Blade today ( Thanks Boss) and had to leave the top washer out and place it on the outside of Alans Blade because of thickness difference the Retaining Nut would just touch the Top of the Bridge shaft and make it hard to turn the Handle .
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I have the washers both of you will need so gimme your addy's and they will be on the way.
Quote from: Donnyboat on July 09, 2021, 02:38:56 AM
Gee Billy you be careful, your wife might just zip your pockets up, I never worry about washers between the star & the handle, there just a waste to me, cheers Don.
Yepper Most of my Reels don't have that in them either .
An epiphany during my brief Slumber of late is that the small washer #13 would NOT be Necessary if you were to make the Spacer .03 -.05mm longer that the Star pushes on which is the thickness of this washer and I see where you would bottom out when the drags mesh in over time Mike . Mine when assembled with what I can Tell the right pieces only has about 80 thousandth's of an inch of travel !
Of the Three Reels we have they so far all of them seem to have parts missing or assembly errors but seem to work on the Bench .
Gotta use one and see how she holds now.
Why didn't you use the red plastic washer #2 & keyed washer #3 under it on the outside of the original handle on the new handle?
Quote from: RowdyW on July 09, 2021, 11:55:21 AM
Why didn't you use the red plastic washer #2 & keyed washer #3 under it on the outside of the original handle on the new handle?
Me No Likey Plastic!
Update on Reel .
Put it on my old Daiwa 10 Ft. # 3229 Rod and it would cast ok but would inadvertently go in gear on occasion when casting and got a pretty good Birdnest a few times . Also had to move spool back a bit to get it to go into free spool when it was loaded sooooooooooooooo Tore it back down
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trying to find whaddup and discovered in my endeavor to make the spool spacing even on both sides of the side plates I had exceeded the allowed spacing on the Gear side causing the Spool to touch the pinion just a smidgeon in Free Spool causing all the probs.
After readjusting the end bearings to keep the distance in Free Spool all is well .
Very touchy Reel in this respect but at least it does have adjustable end Bearings on Both Sides !!
Also yesterday got an e-mail from EATMYTACKLE stating my missing washers were on the way .
So the rest of you should be getting them soon as well.
I got my email yesterday too. I'm not looking to make it a casting reel, I'm more interested in seeing what it's drag capabilities are with that brake drum setup. I'm not looking for max. drag but a decent amount of drag and one that ramps up smoothly & gradually. Probably going to need work with the brake assembly, forcing cone, & a metal spacing sleeve. Rudy
I'll be watching to see what you come up woth.
I got my missing washers today. One is a flat keyed metal washer & the other is a clear plastic washer. I could make the clear plastic washer from the container of fresh strawberries I got from the market. I think I'll replace that one with a piece of delrin or fiber material. I thought they were going to both be metal.
Quote from: RowdyW on July 31, 2021, 02:10:46 AM
I got my missing washers today. One is a flat keyed metal washer & the other is a clear plastic washer. I could make the clear plastic washer from the container of fresh strawberries I got from the market. I think I'll replace that one with a piece of delrin or fiber material. I thought they were going to both be metal.
The ones I sent ya would not Work ???
They prob just sent you what they Thought would work since they never admitted they were actually missing to start with .
Mine is working just fine with Alan's Blade and the washers I came up with .
Waiting to see what they send me .
I haven't tried the ones you sent yet. I was waiting for the replacements so I don't have to install a zipper. ;D ;D