Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: steelhead_killer on December 31, 2019, 07:52:23 PM

Title: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on December 31, 2019, 07:52:23 PM
So,  to say finding big Senators in Idaho is hard, really is an understatement.  But apparently some folks used them for winching in sturgeon on the Snake River over the years.  I found this one in a pawn shop for $50.00 including tax.  Needs some love but it will do for my limited collection.

Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Swami805 on December 31, 2019, 08:14:22 PM
Nice! $50 well spent. Looks like an earlier reel
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: 1badf350 on December 31, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
Wow great deal!
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on December 31, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Admittedly, I am no expert at determining the age of these things.  I will clean it up and see what I got...
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Maxed Out on December 31, 2019, 11:47:20 PM
 Can't tell from picture, but I'm guessing the spool arbor has a hole instead of a line tie post. The coin edge cb and thin front harness lugs and 1st gen logo all point to an early 40's gen2.

I can honestly say this is the first light chocolate brown knob I've seen. Very unique

Nice score Andy. I'd put a minimum value at $200

-Ted
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Sharkb8 on January 01, 2020, 01:35:23 AM
Nice find

Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Crow on January 01, 2020, 01:52:57 AM
Good catch !
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: oc1 on January 01, 2020, 04:00:08 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 31, 2019, 11:47:20 PM
light chocolate brown knob
Caramel?  A really pointy one too.
-steve
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 01, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Ted:

Looks like the knob was covered with some type of paint.  None of the parts have part numbers.  Spool has a hole in it.  Thanks for the info guys!

Quote from: Maxed Out on December 31, 2019, 11:47:20 PM
Can't tell from picture, but I'm guessing the spool arbor has a hole instead of a line tie post. The coin edge cb and thin front harness lugs and 1st gen logo all point to an early 40's gen2.

I can honestly say this is the first light chocolate brown knob I've seen. Very unique

Nice score Andy. I'd put a minimum value at $200

-Ted
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: 54bullseye on January 01, 2020, 11:22:56 PM
Looks to me knob has been messed with some of groves are sanded or filed down and possible paint of some kind. Still a steal at that price !!   John Taylor
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Maxed Out on January 01, 2020, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: 54bullseye on January 01, 2020, 11:22:56 PM
Looks to me knob has been messed with some of groves are sanded or filed down and possible paint of some kind. Still a steal at that price !!   John Taylor

John, it looks like paint filled those grooves.
I bet that paint would come right off with a bit of mineral spirits
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Donnyboat on January 02, 2020, 01:28:05 AM
Very nice find Andy, thanks for posting, being an very early model adds more value to it, yes you might be able to remove the paint with turps,cheers Don.
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 02, 2020, 01:30:20 AM
After a bath...

Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 02, 2020, 02:29:23 PM
Only thing I can add is that it has the flat spring for the dog.  Which in reading the schematic from Mystic says that was only on the early models.  Metal drag washers were brass/bronze.  The handle nut was unusual too.  My Tani wrench did not fit.  However the smoothdrag wrench if it is there's did work just fine.  Knob has been painted, twice.  Looks like the base coat was purple, then the brown color.  The knob under it all appears to be black.  If I go at this with some mineral spirits can someone give me some guidance on how to do it without potentially damaging the original color if it is wood?  I think I would be safe if it is the plastic know as they are solid colored, I think.  But if it is wood...

Thanks!

Andy
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: broadway on January 03, 2020, 02:52:18 AM
Alex,
   You may find the mineral spirits doesn't cut the mustard.  If not, you can use a paint stripper gel and stay with it, don't walk away.  It will happen fast.  I would apply, when it bubbles remove what ya can, then continue with another coat, and so on.  small steps. I did this with a bayside that was completely covered with a coating that nothing could touch till the stripper.  It didn't damage anything, but if I left it on the side plates or handle it would have blistered them.  Careful on plastic especially.
As a side note, the mold plug that is in your 10/0 is certainly uncommon as I don't have a 10/0 with the "old school" plug whether first gen, early second gen, or late 40's second gen. nor can I remember seeing many with it either.
The 12/0 is the one commonly seen with that mold plug, so  I say score on the price and score on the harder to find head plate.
Enjoy her,
Dom
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 03, 2020, 01:08:20 PM
Thanks Dom!  Good to know!  I'll proceed slowly with the stripper and hopefully all is good!  I'll post a pic after I am done.  Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Andy


Quote from: broadway on January 03, 2020, 02:52:18 AM
Alex,
   You may find the mineral spirits doesn't cut the mustard.  If not, you can use a paint stripper gel and stay with it, don't walk away.  It will happen fast.  I would apply, when it bubbles remove what ya can, then continue with another coat, and so on.  small steps. I did this with a bayside that was completely covered with a coating that nothing could touch till the stripper.  It didn't damage anything, but if I left it on the side plates or handle it would have blistered them.  Careful on plastic especially.
As a side note, the mold plug that is in your 10/0 is certainly uncommon as I don't have a 10/0 with the "old school" plug whether first gen, early second gen, or late 40's second gen. nor can I remember seeing many with it either.
The 12/0 is the one commonly seen with that mold plug, so  I say score on the price and score on the harder to find head plate.
Enjoy her,
Dom

Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Alto Mare on January 03, 2020, 01:18:43 PM
Nice reel Andy, you did good!

Sal
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 05, 2020, 08:26:00 PM
Dom the stripper you recommended was outstanding, (Paint Stripper).  Paint was covering up an epoxy repair job of the cracked knob.  Love the color!  Can the knobs be polished?  The epoxy comes right off but it took the finish off the knob where it was applied.

Thanks!

Andy
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 05, 2020, 09:51:43 PM
Sal that is so kind.  Thank you for the offer.  I want to keep it as I found it.  Yes that knob has been cracked and epoxy has been applied.  Some #0000 steel wool took the epoxy off.  Has anyone been able to buff or polish these knobs back to shiny?

Thanks again Sal you generosity is heartfelt.

Andy
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Alto Mare on January 05, 2020, 09:58:59 PM
Not a problem Andy, offer doesn't expire in case you change your mind in the future.

Sal
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 09, 2020, 03:04:47 AM
Final
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Maxed Out on January 09, 2020, 03:10:54 AM

Looking good Andy. Turned out great considering what you started with
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: oc1 on January 09, 2020, 04:08:48 AM
Really cool knob Andy.  Now, it's your civic duty to tell us how you did it.
-steve
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 09, 2020, 04:16:03 AM
Steve it just took time and patience.  Stripper scrap, repeat. 0000 wool with some oil. Polishing wheel on the Dremel.

Andy
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: Sharkb8 on January 09, 2020, 07:16:04 AM
Done a good job Andy nice colour handle

Kim
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: broadway on January 09, 2020, 12:35:48 PM
Well done Andy! She shined up a treat.
Thanks for the pro tip on how to polish it after.
Enjoy that reel,
Dom
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: mo65 on January 09, 2020, 03:32:26 PM
Who would ever dream that under that paint was a blue knob...the most scarce color of early knobs. I can almost hear the original owner whining "Everyone else's knobs are a lovely green or brown but mine is this hideous blue". Great restoration Andy! 8)
Title: Re: Penn 10/0
Post by: thorhammer on January 09, 2020, 04:29:50 PM
Nice work! One of my fav reels.