I found this on Youtube today.
What is your opinion? Super cool, gimmick, dangerous, more hassle than it's worth?
For the shark guys, might be a good alternative to paddling baits out in the middle of the night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXgqrXvnzU
Quote from: FatTuna on December 13, 2018, 05:20:23 AM
Super cool, gimmick, dangerous, more hassle than it's worth?
Yeah, all of that.
-steve
It is $499 on their website plus $100 to ship.
I would say you could get a decent drone to do the same thing, only better.
Then you wouldn't have to freeze your bait into a torpedo.
If it is too Dangerous to Kayak, I'm fine with casted baits.
If I needed a bait cannon, I would make a home made one.
A potato gun can shoot just as far, and costs only a few dollars to make.
Too bad sharks don't like taters. ;D
Wow, I just looked it up, some of those drones can carry some real weight. I thought they could only carry a few ounces.
Pretty soon I plan to experiment with some land based kite fishing. Never tried it before. There is a concrete embankment near a bridge I like to fish. Going to send out a live mullet.
Yeah the price is steep.
I used to make potato guns all the time as a kid. That was part of the reason I enjoyed this video, brought back some memories.
Heck, even a cheap RC boat would do a good job of "trolling" your rig out to the desired distance, dropping it, and coming back. Only challenge might be the surf conditions depending on the particular type of shoreline you are fishing.
I'd be pretty careful about those "cannons" ! I saw one "blow up" on a Dauphin Island beach, two winters ago. Admittedly, it was a "home made" version, and may not have been as "safe" as a commercial model. It used pvc pipe as a "barrel.....lighter fluid, as fuel, and was ingnited by a small spark plug. I didn't talk to the guys, much, so I have no idea if it was "too much" fuel...."too much" use......or "too much" beer......but it really made a mess out of the pipe !
Drone has it beat for sure. Plus you could use the drone to find the fish before you drop the bait in front of his nose. Maybe fit it with an infrared camera for night fishing. The possibilities are endless... LOL
Reminds me of pumpkin chunking. How about a catapult?
I watched guys using a giant slingshot just below Bonneville dam on Columbia for launching baits for giant sturgeon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOoQGsw3QbM
Depending on the size of the bait you need and with some practice and decent tackle you can cast it out 130 yds, probably adequate for most type of fishing.
In New Zeeland I saw something interesting, was something like a small torpedo that swam semi submerged and pulled a line with bait out through the surf.
Heres a link, but to me it gets to close to commercial fishing. https://www.seahorse.net.nz/
I also think a drone probably beats everything from what I've seen.
Quote from: Cor on December 13, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
Depending on the size of the bait you need and with some practice and decent tackle you can cast it out 130 yds, probably adequate for most type of fishing.
I'm afraid I can't cast a big bait for a big shark on a 7' rod with a Penn Senator 9/0 anywhere near 130 yds. Or 13 yds. Maybe 1.3 :) The drone is the way to go.
rockfish from shore just north of cayucos is what has always intrigued me. this would be a blast!
Quote from: sdlehr on December 13, 2018, 06:47:01 PM
Quote from: Cor on December 13, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
Depending on the size of the bait you need and with some practice and decent tackle you can cast it out 130 yds, probably adequate for most type of fishing.
I'm afraid I can't cast a big bait for a big shark on a 7' rod with a Penn Senator 9/0 anywhere near 130 yds. Or 13 yds. Maybe 1.3 :) The drone is the way to go.
Nor can I if its a 1/2 lb mackerel plus 6 oz sinker or whatever, but some guys can, I've seen it. I don't fish for sharks. :o
It looks like the cannon used 75 pounds of compressed air. Better than setting off an internal combustion, but you would have to drag a compressor, or at least a hand pump, around with it. Then you'll need a good cooler to keep the bait cartridge frozen. I don't know. Fishing is supposed to be relaxing.
-steve
1) if cannon fodder doesn't come back -- oh, well...
if a Drone doesn't come back -- SOL!!! :'(
2) wonder if terminal rigging/bait set in a gelatin mold might keep longer & work better
3) definitely want one for the riverbank...
not for casting distance -- for jet-ski/kayak/boat deterrent!!! :o
Regardless of practicality, you have to admit that this thing has entertainment value.
Yeah, I'm not sure how that guy was compressing it on the beach. Maybe he had a gas generator too. Maybe they make battery operated models?
*I just watched the video again and noticed something. At 3:26 you can see a large battery and a beach cart. He must wheel everything down and then run a car air compressor off of that.
It comes with a DC Compressor.
Who doesn't need a canon? I mean besides chunking bait think of the myriad other things you can do with it when your not fishing.
Harass your friends and neighbors as they drive through your neighborhood.
Pass beers to your buddies across town!
I could come up with a thousand and one uses for such a fine piece of machinery and I'd buy one.
Except I might already have one buried in my shed.
I'm going to hold out for a smaller version that can be used on your shoulder for sight casting in the shallows.
Mike
I have looked at those things. Watched videos with varying opinions. They look cool. I am afraid the beach cops would have me in handcuffs after the first shot. Wonder about ordinances.
I checked my local beaches and none of them has a NO CANONs sign posted. ;D
I like David's thinking. Better to do and apologize afterwards than to ask permission and be told "no"!
This thread should be pinned!! Hear, hear!
There was a hand held golf ball cannon at a charity tournament this summer used a compressed air chamber charged from a scuba tank, not unlike the high end pre-charged air rifles. Made the 325 yard par 4 "drivable"
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 13, 2018, 06:05:32 AM
It is $499 on their website plus $100 to ship.
I would say you could get a decent drone to do the same thing, only better.
Then you wouldn't have to freeze your bait into a torpedo.
If it is too Dangerous to Kayak, I'm fine with casted baits.
If I needed a bait cannon, I would make a home made one.
A potato gun can shoot just as far, and costs only a few dollars to make.
Too bad sharks don't like taters. ;D
Hi, Daron !
Speaking of "Spud Guns" . . . PDF's below.
Tight Lines !
Dave F.
Quote from: oc1 on December 13, 2018, 07:38:34 PM
It looks like the cannon used 75 pounds of compressed air. Better than setting off an internal combustion, but you would have to drag a compressor, or at least a hand pump, around with it. Then you'll need a good cooler to keep the bait cartridge frozen. I don't know. Fishing is supposed to be relaxing.
-steve
We have a potato cannon at our yearly deer hunt that we play "potato roulette" with around the campfire (we shoot it straight up) and we use a diver's CO2 tank for the compressed air. Two tanks last the whole weekend. It's very portable and complete with a pressure gauge.
Air cannons are cool and all, but why stop there? If you gotta bring a power source to the beach anyway make a bait rail gun and call it a day.
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on February 11, 2021, 12:31:43 PM
Air cannons are cool and all, but why stop there? If you gotta bring a power source to the beach anyway make a bait rail gun and call it a day.
Don't know what a Rail Gun cost to build, but compressed air, nitrogen whatever, has got to be cheaper than a railgun
Mic
Quote from: Mic on February 11, 2021, 02:58:33 PM
Don't know what a Rail Gun cost to build, but compressed air, nitrogen whatever, has got to be cheaper than a railgun
Mic
Depends how far and how fast ya wanna launch it. You can make a "proof of concept" model for 20 bucks that'll launch something a few feet. Or for about 2 grand you can launch something a literal mile. And yes i use the term "literal" correctly. The numbers involved in describing the huge version the Navy built are hard to wrap your brain around.
I was mostly being facetious suggesting it, there's not a braided line in existence that wouldn't snap under the acceleration those things achieve while launching if you build it to have any meaningful power. Also the "rails" (the source of the name) are only good for about 100 launches, plus or minus 100 due to the incredible forces they must sustain. That's part of the reason you dont see more practical applications of the tech. Well, that and the circuitry wrecking EMP produced. Nobody likes those.
That would be perfect for shooting old bait balls at the cars passing behind my house with the 'beat' blaring!
We have been using a drone of late to fly our baits out while shark fishing.
Pro:
It's lightweight and easy to transport. You can use your phone to keep track of how far it goes. In theory, you can use the measuring tool on Google Earth to measure the distance to a fishy looking reef, and then drop your bait right on top of it with the drone.
Con:
Some days the drone just doesn't want to start back up after a drop or two. There is also the risk of losing it. The one we are using lost control once and went for a swim in the ocean. Luckily it happened close enough that we could wade out and retrieve it. Surprisingly it still works to this day despite taking a saltwater bath.
I don't believe this is a particularly expensive drone, so higher end ones might be less finicky.
gonna' wait for drone subs... really little ones
not just bait delivery, or even lures/teasers, but HARASSERS!!! :O
swim into their mouth, whether they want to eat, or not ;D
A bloke over here took a drone down the South coast last week, he tried to get it to take his rig out with two fish baits on it, as it had to go into the wind, it was very slow going, finnished up with about 20 sea gulls trying to pinch the bait in flight, he almost lost it into the ocean, may be good with a tail wind, cheers Don. there not cheep to buy.
Quote from: Donnyboat on May 07, 2021, 12:58:22 PM
A bloke over here took a drone down the South coast last week, he tried to get it to take his rig out with two fish baits on it, as it had to go into the wind, it was very slow going, finished up with about 20 sea gulls trying to pinch the bait in flight, he almost lost it into the ocean...
Funny! Imagine when the seagulls start figuring out that Amazon drones are carrying groceries... They'll need escort drones to fend off the birds ;D
not escort drones -- falcons: https://www.freebirdfalconry.com/ ; https://www.ecoltd.net/falconry
darn... can't find the specific extended news-story about anti-gull falconers patrolling resort beaches
Have used Co2 cannons (need steel barrel, etc since the pressures are so high) to send out anchors. Can't send out bait at the same time as the velocity demolishes it. Have been able to send out 2 pound anchors about 400 yards, maybe more. Slide the bait down after the anchor is set. Gave it up. Too much of a hassle to unwind the line from the reel and then wind it on to a 5 gallon bucket (to act like a giant spinning reel) or facsimile.
Graduated to kites but can only use where conditions allow. Big problem: Kites crash.
Graduated to drones. Big problem: Drones crash. Drone expensive. Every person that I know who has used a drone has lost at least one (myself included). Drone cannot carry heavy payloads, unless the drone is a lifting drone that costs several thousands. Kites can carry many pounds easily. Drones can fly where kites cannot (I.E., upwind). Kites can fly when drones cannot (when the wind is too strong).
The search for the "ultimate" line carrier continues (some people argue it's called a boat).
Quote from: Makule on May 21, 2021, 08:05:05 AM
Have used Co2 cannons (need steel barrel, etc since the pressures are so high) to send out anchors. Can't send out bait at the same time as the velocity demolishes it. Have been able to send out 2 pound anchors about 400 yards, maybe more. Slide the bait down after the anchor is set. Gave it up. Too much of a hassle to unwind the line from the reel and then wind it on to a 5 gallon bucket (to act like a giant spinning reel) or facsimile.
Graduated to kites but can only use where conditions allow. Big problem: Kites crash.
Graduated to drones. Big problem: Drones crash. Drone expensive. Every person that I know who has used a drone has lost at least one (myself included). Drone cannot carry heavy payloads, unless the drone is a lifting drone that costs several thousands. Kites can carry many pounds easily. Drones can fly where kites cannot (I.E., upwind). Kites can fly when drones cannot (when the wind is too strong).
The search for the "ultimate" line carrier continues (some people argue it's called a boat).
Well said; drop the mic!
I really LOVE this !
Terrific distance and a real "deterrent" to Swimmers and Surfers, who might want to enter my "space" !
Tight Lines !
Dave F.
My cousin is in the testing phase with his homemade cannon. I'll see if I can get a clip of it and post it up.
Quote from: ez2cdave on October 29, 2022, 04:42:51 PM..."deterrent" to Swimmers and Surfers, who might want to enter my "space" !
...OR, you could go "Next Level" :o
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Quote from: philaroman on May 10, 2021, 02:38:13 PMnot escort drones -- falcons: https://www.freebirdfalconry.com/ ; https://www.ecoltd.net/falconry
darn... can't find the specific extended news-story about anti-gull falconers patrolling resort beaches
Friend of mine while on leave years ago was locked up over night for doing this. I believe in Seattle. His nickname was Hawk he not only looked like a hawk all he would talk about was his Falcons & Redtail Hawks.
He was late returning to base. Command evidently laughed about it & he received a slap on the hand & told very sternly " Never Again !"
Drones have been used to carry out baits for years. If they can can carry multiple thermobaric grenades in Ukraine, they can carry a bait wherever you are!
Quote from: philaroman on May 07, 2021, 12:38:19 AMgonna' wait for drone subs... really little ones
not just bait delivery, or even lures/teasers, but HARASSERS!!! :O
swim into their mouth, whether they want to eat, or not ;D
This was a "ripnthepants" ;D
Quote from: MarkT on June 28, 2023, 03:10:34 AMDrones have been used to carry out baits for years. If they can can carry multiple thermobaric grenades in Ukraine, they can carry a bait wherever you are!
There are & have been drones that can lift & carry a truck or car if u wish to use it for bait & have the money. Ammo & water is being delivered on the battle field. Anything that flies can B a drone.
Meaning it is simply controlled from outside the cockpit & is unmanned... Jeff
Quote from: FatTuna on December 13, 2018, 06:47:52 AMWow, I just looked it up, some of those drones can carry some real weight. I thought they could only carry a few ounces.
I used to make potato guns all the time as a kid. That was part of the reason I enjoyed this video, brought back some memories.
Ask the Russian's in Ukraine how much weights a little drone can lift.
I use to make potato guns as a kid too. Till my buddy over charged one and lost two fingers.
Pretty cool though, must come with a hell of a legal injury waiver! :o
I'm a gun guy,so shooting it would be cool,accuracy on a target,even playing with types of projectiles etc. but when I'm fishing,I'll just fish .besides,I surfish in NJ and maybe NY not sure about legality!
yes, but fishing NJ/NY you have better opportunity to pick off jet-skiers
I would think that drones would pretty much make bait cannons obsolete.
Quote from: whalebreath on July 29, 2023, 06:08:29 PMI would think that drones would pretty much make bait cannons obsolete.
You can make a bait cannon, for next to nothing, $wise lol!
Don't know if you're making your own drone?
Not to mention, one little dip, and I do believe there, worthless!
But ya just never know what could happen here! They're cracking down on everything these days, I think the only way you can get away with the cannon, is if it's pneumatic!
Definitely not allowed to use them with anything that can ignite or is flammable!
But I'm sure, here in NJ if they watched you shoot a 8- 16 ounce slug, they would find a way to confiscate your cannon and give you some nice tickets!!!