My dad had an old crusty 113H that he said he bought at a garage sale many years ago. It has been used and abused and still functioned fine but didn't look so good. I didn't want to put a ton of money into it but I found some nice side plates with clean chrome rings, bearings, gears and all. I would use the handle and bars from the old reel, and use the best internals from the two sets. Both plates had the drags accessible from the outside. The "new" plates had old crap drag washers but the old reel had 5 useable carbon drag washers. What is the drag washer arrangement supposed to be? I can only fit 5 carbon washers with 2 eared and 2 keyed washers. On top of the 5th carbon washer sits the big thick top hat looking piece and then Belleville and star. Is this correct? I will show some before pictures, but I'm waitinng on a new aluminum spool to do the final after assembly.
You will need 3 keyed & 2 eared washers. The order going into the main gear are, CF, keyed, CF, eared, CF, keyed, CF, eared, CF, keyed. You might need 1 extra keyed washer on top of the stack if you need more height. The drag stack has to end with a keyed washer then the top hat, then bellville, then star, then handle. Rudy
That's what I thought, but when I do that the stack is very high. I took these washers out so they should go back in, I'm kinda confused. I'll have to mess with it some more.
RL...you might try soaking the spool in 50/50 vinegar/water for a couple hours and see what comes of it.... Bill
Quote from: TARFU on November 14, 2016, 04:34:08 PM
RL...you might try soaking the spool in 50/50 vinegar/water for a couple hours and see what comes of it.... Bill
I'm cleaning up everything with vinegar and simple green. I'll have spare parts left over, but I wanted to have a nice aluminum spool.
Quote from: rippin_lips on November 14, 2016, 11:55:31 AM
That's what I thought, but when I do that the stack is very high. I took these washers out so they should go back in, I'm kinda confused. I'll have to mess with it some more.
The last keyed washer will be above the lip of the gear but it can't go anywhere & doesn't need the support of the gear to work correctly. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on November 14, 2016, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: rippin_lips on November 14, 2016, 11:55:31 AM
That's what I thought, but when I do that the stack is very high. I took these washers out so they should go back in, I'm kinda confused. I'll have to mess with it some more.
The last keyed washer will be above the lip of the gear but it can't go anywhere & doesn't need the support of the gear to work correctly. Rudy
Good point Rudy. It sounds like that might be rippin' lips' concern...the washers resting above the gear. As long as that last eared washer is inside the gear...all is well.
The mail showed up with the finishing touches, a newell spool and spacer bars. The bars aren't perfect but don't look bad. I'm thinking of painting them though. Here's the final product....
great face lift buddy
I see you got also some newer rings too
Quote from: steelfish on November 23, 2016, 01:57:33 AM
great face lift buddy
I see you got also some newer rings too
Yes the old reel donated some parts but I replaced side plates and rings.
RL great work on the old reel....Bill
Nice save :)
Nice job on that 4/0 rippin lips. The grilling add got me a little confused, couldn't really see the parts. Kept seeing peanuts, chicken and pork chops, but the end results look really nice :).
Nice work. Cant have too many 4/0's. Nobody argue with me. :)
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 23, 2016, 12:15:17 PM
Nice job on that 4/0 rippin lips. The grilling add got me a little confused, couldn't really see the parts. Kept seeing peanuts, chicken and pork chops, but the end results look really nice :).
My girlfriend wouldn't be too happy if I got old grease everywhere :D
Ahh building things in the kitchen, brings back fond memories.
Nice rescue.
I bought something on the eberg and the guy had a 4/0 Newell aluminum stand for bid so I put $6 on it and shipping was free. I don't really need it but got it for a spare,if you want it to complete your Newell set on the 4/0 let me know. I should have it next week. Sheridan
Quote from: Swami805 on November 25, 2016, 05:30:24 AM
I bought something on the eberg and the guy had a 4/0 Newell aluminum stand for bid so I put $6 on it and shipping was free. I don't really need it but got it for a spare,if you want it to complete your Newell set on the 4/0 let me know. I should have it next week. Sheridan
Didn't see this until now. Thanks for the offer but I'm just going to use the original stand.
I didn't feel the need to start another thread, but I'm on another 113H project. Bought a tiburon frame and spool from an AT member. Then I found a donor reel on the old fleabay for under $50. Turned out to be in good shape and everything looks clean inside. Gears are nice and clean and all the drag washers are clean and not fused together. Not quite sure exactly where this one will end up. I'm thinking of doing the second dog with the Dremel and of course adding the frame. Not sure what else I will do.
P.s. I found the Belleville washer on top of the drag stack inside the reel
Looks like you caught the bug ;D. The belleville being on top of the drag stack is normal on those.
Enjoy your builds.
Sal
Everything got a soak in simple green and came out looking great. The internals were really in good shape in this reel. The harness lugs are pretty loose, is this normal? Also the eccentric lever isn't clearing the side plate screw. Anybody have any levers with more clearance? Or should I see if a different screw sits more flush? Anyways, this reel is turning out really nice and I think it deserves some upgrades under the hood soon.
Joey
That reel looks new, great job! The eccentric lever looks good to me, see if the screw has some rough spots on the slot, maybe try another screw there. Also, make sure the eccentric screw is tight.
If it still does the same, you could gently bend the lever a little, it doesn't take much.
As for the harness lugs, it's normal. If it bothers you a little shot of silicone would help, or a shim. I would let it go.
Sal
Unless you are going to use this harnessed-up, the loose harness lugs won't matter. Being the perfectionist that I am, I would make some shims and firm them up, but it'sn not necessary unless they'll be used.
Sid
Quote from: sdlehr on January 05, 2017, 04:12:52 PM
Unless you are going to use this harnessed-up, the loose harness lugs won't matter. Being the perfectionist that I am, I would make some shims and firm them up, but it'sn not necessary unless they'll be used.
Sid
Guys,
I have a 113HLW on a TIBURON frame with ACCURATE sideplates and have the problem of one of the Harness Lugs "wiggling around" . . . What do you guys recommend about making shims . . . Materials, etc ?
Tight Lines !
Hey Dave, can you get a Teflon washer from HD or lowes and snad edge to fit within?
Quote from: thorhammer on March 10, 2017, 08:41:16 PM
Hey Dave, can you get a Teflon washer from HD or lowes and snad edge to fit within?
That sounds like an interesting option . . . I don't know if it would loosen up, over time, with the Teflon being compressed.
Thanks & Tight Lines !
I'd cut a shim out of a soda or beer can. Easy to cut with a pair of scissors after drilling a hole for the screw. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on March 11, 2017, 01:37:59 AM
I'd cut a shim out of a soda or beer can. Easy to cut with a pair of scissors after drilling a hole for the screw. Rudy
Rudy,
A simple, elegant solution . . . I'll give it a try !
Tight Lines !
I'd rather make an empty beer can than drive to HD...
Quote from: thorhammer on March 11, 2017, 03:04:56 AM
I'd rather make an empty beer can than drive to HD...
john,
home despot once in a while, but
ace is the place
Quote from: ez2cdave on March 10, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on January 05, 2017, 04:12:52 PM
Unless you are going to use this harnessed-up, the loose harness lugs won't matter. Being the perfectionist that I am, I would make some shims and firm them up, but it'sn not necessary unless they'll be used.
Sid
Guys,
I have a 113HLW on a TIBURON frame with ACCURATE sideplates and have the problem of one of the Harness Lugs "wiggling around" . . . What do you guys recommend about making shims . . . Materials, etc ?
Tight Lines !
maybe Im kind of late on this but when I have had problems like this on which I have make exterior shims in a hurry, I have used the plastic from the milk gallons, I read somewhere that the material is pretty similar to Delrin, you can make shims outta it and they will tolerate more presure or hits than normal plastic, its really slippery and easy to cut and the best is that it will never corrode with saltwater.
Quote from: steelfish on March 11, 2017, 06:13:32 PMmaybe Im kind of late on this but when I have had problems like this on which I have make exterior shims in a hurry, I have used the plastic from the milk gallons, I read somewhere that the material is pretty similar to Delrin, you can make shims outta it and they will tolerate more presure or hits than normal plastic, its really slippery and easy to cut and the best is that it will never corrode with saltwater.
Good advice is never late . . . Thanks for the tip !
Tight Lines !