I have three Super 270, one functioning and two for parts reels. None of these have part #24, rubber buffer with spring, or either this part is worn beyond recognition.
Can't really tell what this rubber buffer with spring looks like from the schematic. Does anyone have a picture of one of these or could you tell me something that would substitute?
The bumper is the first thing to go on old Spinfishers too. Without it you get a louder clunk when the bail slams shut and the roller guide will no longer be perpendicular to the spool. That can throw off the line leveling.
-steve
I checked Sal's sticky tutorial and looks like his is in the same boat.
Hello Chester, I'm not sure, but I'm going to guess 99% of these have the missing bumper. I checked my parts and didn't find one, Fred might have a few.
You could make your own, it would be a pain, but doable.
I think Fred recommended a spring, I like that option as well.
Usually you will find these bumpers flush with the metal
(https://i.imgur.com/8wYWjD2.jpg)
I pulled the rest of the plastic out and replaced it with a spring, just to give an idea.
(https://i.imgur.com/kenFqSo.jpg)
It isn't the correct spring, a stiffer one would do better, but it is woorking. The spring is from the DD bridge.
A drop of glue in the hole and it should stay nicely
(https://i.imgur.com/uWz5hf5.jpg)
Lately I've been using the super glue gel, it doesn't run everywhere.
Sal
Hey Sal, is there a trick to get the remainder of the plastic out of there? Not much left of it to get a grip.
Chester, I used that pic you see, it it wider than the usual dental pic.
Any pic should do, work it back and forth and it should come out.
You could also use a drill with a small bit, but it is much safer doing it by hand.
Sal
Chester —
One of my DQ Shop Service Manuals dated February, 1983 — shows this part #100-110, was no longer available as of that date.
PM me your address, and I will drop (3) new ones in the mail, along with the springs — Monday.
Fortunately, I stocked up and ordered 100 of these pairs about 40 years ago — am down to 55 as of today.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred, first let me make sure I can extract the old set. I've already scratched the rotor a wee bit trying but it isn't very noticeable.
If Fred didn't have every reel part known to man, I would have suggested cutting a piece of plastic wire insulation of the right diameter and gluing it into the hole.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on January 06, 2019, 06:27:23 AM
If Fred didn't have every reel part known to man, I would have suggested cutting a piece of plastic wire insulation of the right diameter and gluing it into the hole.
-steve
Yes, Fred always comes through
I do like your idea as well Steve, I thought about what to use there and that never came to mind.
It is always a good idea to fix these as they were, but we already know how long they last.
I'm thinking they discontinued those due to failure.
I have a half dozen of 270 in good shape and about the same of the 2 speed 275, all have that part
damaged.
Sal
Hard rubber, like tire tread, is about the only thing that will last with considerable use.
Considering it's size, Polyurethane bumper might do even better, that's what they're designed for.
Of course the best would be what works for that individual.
Sal
Using one of the revolving hole punches and a sheet of rubber may get you close to the original - or call Fred ;D
Of course, but I was going for a bad needed upgrade😂
Right, Sal —
I think one of those little clear polyurethane bumpers used for cabinet doors would work — if there was a good way to attach them — TacGlue with cyanoacrylate and a clamp should work.
In the meantime — (12) pairs of bumpers and springs are on their way to you. Check your mail Wednesday.
Still waiting to hear from Festus. Those are easy to dig out if a tiny pick and a little patience is applied.
I just dig out the root of the old bumper with a 1/16" drill bit attached to a mini pair of Vise Grips for control. Then the rest just comes out easily with an offset pick.
Install the spring FIRST onto the bumper — then insert into the hole. A half a drop of TacGlue can be used if one wishes — or just pop it in the hole without the glue. It will hold either way. The spring helps to keep the bumper from being impacted as much — and also from "mushrooming".
Like Steve sez — the proper bail height also gives the proper line lay on the spool.
As for DQ discontinuing these by the early 80's...we need to remember that these were first produced around '54 — then discontinued after a 10 year run. DQ continued to supply parts for around 15 years after these were no longer manufactured.
That is not so bad when we consider that many modern Tupperware reel manufacturers supply no parts support — or maybe only for a year or two. And this can be true even when an angler pays North of $1000 for a Shimano Stella.
Best,
Fred
Fred, that is really nice of you and it is very much appreciated.
I don't mind experimenting with what works on the reels that would be fished, by I have a few of these reels in my collection that could really use the original part.
Thank you!
Quote from: foakes on January 06, 2019, 09:58:28 PM
Still waiting to hear from Festus. Those are easy to dig out if a tiny pick and a little patience is applied.
I just dig out the root of the old bumper with a 1/16" drill bit attached to a mini pair of Vise Grips for control. Then the rest just comes out easily with an offset pick.
Install the spring FIRST onto the bumper — then insert into the hole. A half a drop of TacGlue can be used if one wishes — or just pop it in the hole without the glue. It will hold either way. The spring helps to keep the bumper from being impacted as much — and also from "mushrooming".
Like Steve sez — the proper bail height also gives the proper line lay on the spool.
Fred, I partially disassembled the reel to make it easier. Separated the rotor from the body, then removed the spool and bail assembly and dug the old plastic/rubber out with a pick. Your picture of the spring sure helped understand what's going on. Thanks again for being so generous. I'll send you a message with my address plus another question.
My Super 270 will probably be fished more than my 550's and 550N's. I like the internals better.
I use a ink pen tube , http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26092.msg295501#msg295501
Sal & Festus —
Couldn't get to the Post Office yesterday.
Wife was heading down to Fresno early this morning — so she dropped them off for me.
On the way —
Best,
Fred
Thank you Fred! I'm not sure about Chester, but there was no rush for mine.
I do appreciate the effort though.
Sal
Quote from: oldmanjoe on January 08, 2019, 05:54:06 PM
I use a ink pen tube , http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26092.msg295501#msg295501
Since they are hollow and the Super's bail is heavy, how long do they last before compressing?
On a different note, I have been known to make them out of a dense eraser using a leather punch when I don't have hard rubber available. They last a long time.
Quote from: foakes on January 08, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
Sal & Festus —
Couldn't get to the Post Office yesterday.
Wife was heading down to Fresno early this morning — so she dropped them off for me.
On the way —
Best,
Fred
No rush here either, Fred, thanks so much.
Fred, I sent you an IM ... Thanks, Joe.
Quote from: foakes on January 06, 2019, 09:58:28 PM
Still waiting to hear from Festus. Those are easy to dig out if a tiny pick and a little patience is applied.
I just dig out the root of the old bumper with a 1/16" drill bit attached to a mini pair of Vise Grips for control. Then the rest just comes out easily with an offset pick.
Install the spring FIRST onto the bumper — then insert into the hole. A half a drop of TacGlue can be used if one wishes — or just pop it in the hole without the glue. It will hold either way. The spring helps to keep the bumper from being impacted as much — and also from "mushrooming".
Best,
Fred
My parts arrived yesterday, Fred, but getting that bumper and spring into the hole isn't as easy as it sounds. I've tried needlenose pliers, tweezers, and the side of a flat bladed screwdriver and still no luck. I'll keep trying.
Mine didn't arrive yet Chester, I will let you know how I make out, once they get here.
Thanks Sal, the bumper will fit the hole without the spring but I want to get it right.
Hmmm, Sal —
I sent yours before Festus.
Keep me posted.
If they are lost, I will send another dozen.
Best,
Fred
Will do Fred, I'm thinking it will get here soon. A nice size snowstorm Came through the northeast, we only got 1.5".
Sal
Festus dip the rubber in alcohol. It will make it slicker than snot. Dominick
If you just get the back edge barely in — then you can twist it slightly clockwise as you compress it into the hole. I think Dominick may be right with the alcohol — but I have never needed to use it if started with a twist instead of just forcing it into the hole.
Of course, the good Counselor may be using this as an excuse to break out the Zin...!?
Best,
Fred
Tried alcohol, tried grease, tried twisting clockwise with the same result, no go. I even got desperate and tried to force it on with pliers to no avail.
Quote from: foakes on January 14, 2019, 12:13:36 AM
If you just get the back edge barely in — then you can twist it slightly clockwise as you compress it into the hole. I think Dominick may be right with the alcohol — but I have never needed to use it if started with a twist instead of just forcing it into the hole.
Of course, the good Counselor may be using this as an excuse to break out the Zin...!?
Best,
Fred
I don't need an excuse to break out the zin. ::) Dominick
If you can't get the stopper in the hole, Festus — then you can just grind a very slight bevel on the insert part of the rubber.
Or, just take a drill bit clamped in a pair of vise grips to barely enlarge the top of the hole — and make sure all of the other rubber has been removed
I have never had an issue installing them the regular way, however.
Yes, they are tight — but that is how they stay in place.
Best,
Fred
I finally got it, Fred, with the help of your last picture. Was trying to put the spring on the bumper backwards all along, just hope it stays secure. If it doesn't at least I have a spare. Thanks again for your patience.
Got my bumpers, thank you Fred.
I did not have any problem installing those, but didn't trust them so I placed just a dab of glue at the bottom.
I;m not sure what the small hole on the side is for, maybe for a small pin to hold it. :-\
To your defense Chester, the pic did slip on me as well but didn't make any damage.
To clean the hole I used a 7/64 bit, rolling it back and forth in my fingers...no drill. The 7/64 fits nicely.
Here are a couple of pics;
(https://i.imgur.com/bzKn8Xd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FjkdVoM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NUfAQ2V.jpg)
Thanks again Fred...you're the best!
Sal
I may try cutting some small pieces of 1/4" thick horse stall type rubber mat. I use the rubber as bed protector in the back of my truck and suburban, I have some old scraps lying around from ones that have gotten mangled up from use. I think it may be just the ticket for an improvised bumper that will hopefully hold up a while, and be easy to get more of if needed.
Hi Andy —
There are things out there that will work — such as your truck mat material, maybe cupboard dots used to keep doors from slamming, and lots of other things.
Hobby shops, RC shops, hardware stores, automotive wholesale suppliers for body shops, and places like McMaster-Carr — have plenty of things that would work also.
If you need a few of these original ones — just let me know and I could send some out to you today.
N/C.
Best,
Fred
I ordered these to try. Coming from China so who knows when I will get them. Looks promising but who knows? https://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-SM-030-3mm-Dia-EPDM-Rubber-Seal-Hole-Insert-Stopper-Black-for-Cable-Gland/323094904841?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649