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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Newell Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: LI Guy on August 29, 2012, 09:43:50 PM

Title: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on August 29, 2012, 09:43:50 PM
A quick question for you Newell Guru's. I just serviced four 200 series reels and all are working nicely. However one of my 220's seems to have something going on that I don't understand. when you put the reel in free spool the spool spins backward for a few seconds. It seems there is some kind of tension going on here and I'm not sure what it is. The spool tension is properly adjusted and it free spools nicely and otherwise functions just fine. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: Bryan Young on August 29, 2012, 11:36:16 PM
Do you mean that it actually spins or rotates slowly and settles?
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on August 29, 2012, 11:57:33 PM
Possible that the dog is not engaging properly. Dog Spring?
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on August 30, 2012, 10:55:09 AM
The Dog is fine. When the reel is put into free spool it quickly rotates backward for 3 or 4 rotations then stops. It's like I'm releasing tension on the spool. The reel free spools fine. It only happens when you disengage the pinion.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on August 30, 2012, 04:03:50 PM
Stiff Mono with memory like a spring that's loaded with tension? I know you use Braid. LOL
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on August 30, 2012, 05:37:39 PM
Yeah I have braid on this reel. The spool obviously has some tension on it that causes it to rotate backwards when the pinion is disengaged. The thing is the reel free spools normally and otherwise works just fine. I can use it the way it is with no problem but I don't want to put wear on whatever part is involved in causing this.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: Panama on August 30, 2012, 05:52:47 PM
I grabbed my 220, opened it and tried to recreate what your dealing with, without success.  Did you change any parts?  Did you check that the pinion is sitting as it should? 
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: Bryan Young on August 30, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
Without seeing the reel, this is above my pay grade.  I cannot think of what the cause would be.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on August 30, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
You said you serviced the reel. Did you remove the yoke & flip it over? I will check with the Jig Man from the Bay in the morning.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on August 30, 2012, 07:49:15 PM
I have the yoke installed correctly . I'm going to open it up again and check the pinion. It seems like the pinion is kicking the spool back when disengaged. I just went over 5 Newells and this the only one that does this. I'll keep you posted. In the meantime thank you for your input guys. I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: redsetta on August 30, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
G'day LI,
I'm inclined to think there's a burr on the pinion that's catching on the spool shaft as it disengages (or vice versa).
Interested to hear what you find once you check it again.
Good luck, Justin
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on August 30, 2012, 10:48:04 PM
Justin

I have just finished 25 Newells in a row & never heard of this. I have an email to my Newell guru to see what he says.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: Alto Mare on August 30, 2012, 11:45:37 PM
 Sounds like the pinion gear is getting caught on the spool shaft.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on August 31, 2012, 05:13:59 PM
OK, It's being caused by the pinion not disengaging smoothly. With the pinion engaged, if you hold your thumb tightly on the spool you can feel resistance when putting into free spool. The pinion is forcing the spool backward to disengage. Now I just have to find what is causing it to not release smoothly. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on August 31, 2012, 05:56:43 PM
There are no burrs on either the shaft or pinion. I'm sure this will cause the pinion to wear if not corrected. I'm thinking that something may be holding the pinion slightly out of alignment.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: Panama on August 31, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
For some reason I am thinking that the pinion is not original Newell.  Maybe it was changed with a Penn pinion?
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on August 31, 2012, 09:37:25 PM
No it's original. The reel is about 4 years old and i"m the original owner. Any replacement parts on any of my Newells are original Newell parts. This pinion has never been changed.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on September 02, 2012, 04:40:25 PM
I hope you bought that reel from Kenny when he was around.

Now stop the suspense - What was the problem? It's a must that you keep us up to date with this issue.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on September 02, 2012, 06:37:33 PM
Kenny Whurl Wow it's a small world! He is missed. Anyway I've located the problem but haven't been able to correct it. Here goes. When the pinion is disengaged it rotates about 1/8 turn when the yoke moves. I've cleaned the groove where it sits in the yoke and it turn freely. Yet when I reassemble the reel the problem persists. The pinion will not disengage unless the spool is allowed to rotate back. With the reel in gear if you hold the spool tight with your thumb the shift lever will hang up. Take your thumb off and it disengages as the spool kicks back. I'm wondering if the jack assembly might be the cause?
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on September 02, 2012, 07:03:43 PM
It's possible that the ears on the jack plate are bent a little too much one way or the other. As far as the jack arm hanging the only way mine hang is if they need lube.

I worked deck with Kenny, Peter & Chris as Capt & Mate
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: Alto Mare on September 02, 2012, 07:25:25 PM
I still say that your pinion gear is getting caught on the spool shaft.
Try sliding the pinion gear on the spool shaft all the way up by hand and see if you have resistance when pulling it out. I know that you've checked the shaft and pinion for burrs, but the problem might be at the notched area.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on September 02, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
The pinion is not sticking on the  spool. I've worked it back and forth, in and out, no issues. With the right side plate removed, working the lever back and forth, you can see the pinion being rotated about 1/8 turn. The jack is well lubricated. I will check again to see if the ears are possibly bent in or out. This problem normally would not bother me too much as the reel functions just fine. However I know I'm going to wear the inside of the pinion if not corrected, and these parts are becoming hard to find. Thank for all the input. Again I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: alantani on September 02, 2012, 09:34:10 PM
Could the jack be lifting opinion up at an odd angle?
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on September 02, 2012, 11:04:49 PM
Yes Alan I'm thinking that this is being caused by some missalignment somewhere. I'll break it down again to see.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on September 02, 2012, 11:56:17 PM
L I Guy

If you need something let me know. I'm in Howard Beach
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: Alto Mare on September 03, 2012, 12:16:50 AM
You might want to check the clutch springs as well and see if they look and feel the same.....just trying to help.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on September 03, 2012, 02:54:43 AM
I appreciate all the help. You guys are great. I'll keep you posted. Blue Fish 69, Kenny's former partner in Atlantic B&T is a close friend and I spent a bit of time hanging around and B.S ing with Kenny before he passed. An interesting guy and a good man. I stay in touch with Petey and he is doing well. I'm in Seaford. Appreciate the offer.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on September 03, 2012, 03:06:00 AM
I was in Massapequa last night
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on September 03, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
O.K, I've narrowed it down. It's the pinion. I switched pinions with another 220 and now the other reel has the same symptoms. It's not sticking on the spindle, but it seems that it's worn in a way that causes a slap on the spindle when disengaging. Aside from this it works fine, so I guess I will continue to use it for now. Maybe down the line I may have to put a main gear and pinion from a Penn 500 in it. Pretty ironic. 35 years ago we were putting Newell gears in our Penns, now I may be going the other way. Go figure. Anyway thank you all for your time and help. I've  never seen a web site with members so eager to help out. Truly refreshing. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on September 03, 2012, 07:38:23 PM
LI Guy

Check your PM's
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: LI Guy on September 04, 2012, 08:08:39 PM
Bluefish 69, I sent you a PM . Thanks. And thank the rest of you so much.
Title: Re: Newell 220 s 3.6 :1
Post by: bluefish69 on September 04, 2012, 08:19:00 PM
I received your PM. We didn't sail today.