A quick question for you Newell Guru's. I just serviced four 200 series reels and all are working nicely. However one of my 220's seems to have something going on that I don't understand. when you put the reel in free spool the spool spins backward for a few seconds. It seems there is some kind of tension going on here and I'm not sure what it is. The spool tension is properly adjusted and it free spools nicely and otherwise functions just fine. Any ideas?
Do you mean that it actually spins or rotates slowly and settles?
Possible that the dog is not engaging properly. Dog Spring?
The Dog is fine. When the reel is put into free spool it quickly rotates backward for 3 or 4 rotations then stops. It's like I'm releasing tension on the spool. The reel free spools fine. It only happens when you disengage the pinion.
Stiff Mono with memory like a spring that's loaded with tension? I know you use Braid. LOL
Yeah I have braid on this reel. The spool obviously has some tension on it that causes it to rotate backwards when the pinion is disengaged. The thing is the reel free spools normally and otherwise works just fine. I can use it the way it is with no problem but I don't want to put wear on whatever part is involved in causing this.
I grabbed my 220, opened it and tried to recreate what your dealing with, without success. Did you change any parts? Did you check that the pinion is sitting as it should?
Without seeing the reel, this is above my pay grade. I cannot think of what the cause would be.
You said you serviced the reel. Did you remove the yoke & flip it over? I will check with the Jig Man from the Bay in the morning.
I have the yoke installed correctly . I'm going to open it up again and check the pinion. It seems like the pinion is kicking the spool back when disengaged. I just went over 5 Newells and this the only one that does this. I'll keep you posted. In the meantime thank you for your input guys. I appreciate it.
G'day LI,
I'm inclined to think there's a burr on the pinion that's catching on the spool shaft as it disengages (or vice versa).
Interested to hear what you find once you check it again.
Good luck, Justin
Justin
I have just finished 25 Newells in a row & never heard of this. I have an email to my Newell guru to see what he says.
Sounds like the pinion gear is getting caught on the spool shaft.
OK, It's being caused by the pinion not disengaging smoothly. With the pinion engaged, if you hold your thumb tightly on the spool you can feel resistance when putting into free spool. The pinion is forcing the spool backward to disengage. Now I just have to find what is causing it to not release smoothly. Any thoughts?
There are no burrs on either the shaft or pinion. I'm sure this will cause the pinion to wear if not corrected. I'm thinking that something may be holding the pinion slightly out of alignment.
For some reason I am thinking that the pinion is not original Newell. Maybe it was changed with a Penn pinion?
No it's original. The reel is about 4 years old and i"m the original owner. Any replacement parts on any of my Newells are original Newell parts. This pinion has never been changed.
I hope you bought that reel from Kenny when he was around.
Now stop the suspense - What was the problem? It's a must that you keep us up to date with this issue.
Kenny Whurl Wow it's a small world! He is missed. Anyway I've located the problem but haven't been able to correct it. Here goes. When the pinion is disengaged it rotates about 1/8 turn when the yoke moves. I've cleaned the groove where it sits in the yoke and it turn freely. Yet when I reassemble the reel the problem persists. The pinion will not disengage unless the spool is allowed to rotate back. With the reel in gear if you hold the spool tight with your thumb the shift lever will hang up. Take your thumb off and it disengages as the spool kicks back. I'm wondering if the jack assembly might be the cause?
It's possible that the ears on the jack plate are bent a little too much one way or the other. As far as the jack arm hanging the only way mine hang is if they need lube.
I worked deck with Kenny, Peter & Chris as Capt & Mate
I still say that your pinion gear is getting caught on the spool shaft.
Try sliding the pinion gear on the spool shaft all the way up by hand and see if you have resistance when pulling it out. I know that you've checked the shaft and pinion for burrs, but the problem might be at the notched area.
The pinion is not sticking on the spool. I've worked it back and forth, in and out, no issues. With the right side plate removed, working the lever back and forth, you can see the pinion being rotated about 1/8 turn. The jack is well lubricated. I will check again to see if the ears are possibly bent in or out. This problem normally would not bother me too much as the reel functions just fine. However I know I'm going to wear the inside of the pinion if not corrected, and these parts are becoming hard to find. Thank for all the input. Again I really appreciate it.
Could the jack be lifting opinion up at an odd angle?
Yes Alan I'm thinking that this is being caused by some missalignment somewhere. I'll break it down again to see.
L I Guy
If you need something let me know. I'm in Howard Beach
You might want to check the clutch springs as well and see if they look and feel the same.....just trying to help.
I appreciate all the help. You guys are great. I'll keep you posted. Blue Fish 69, Kenny's former partner in Atlantic B&T is a close friend and I spent a bit of time hanging around and B.S ing with Kenny before he passed. An interesting guy and a good man. I stay in touch with Petey and he is doing well. I'm in Seaford. Appreciate the offer.
I was in Massapequa last night
O.K, I've narrowed it down. It's the pinion. I switched pinions with another 220 and now the other reel has the same symptoms. It's not sticking on the spindle, but it seems that it's worn in a way that causes a slap on the spindle when disengaging. Aside from this it works fine, so I guess I will continue to use it for now. Maybe down the line I may have to put a main gear and pinion from a Penn 500 in it. Pretty ironic. 35 years ago we were putting Newell gears in our Penns, now I may be going the other way. Go figure. Anyway thank you all for your time and help. I've never seen a web site with members so eager to help out. Truly refreshing. Thanks again.
LI Guy
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Bluefish 69, I sent you a PM . Thanks. And thank the rest of you so much.
I received your PM. We didn't sail today.