Don asked me to post these photos for him.
and please take it from here!!!!
(https://alantani.com/gallery/37/7588-301122151838-374721995.jpeg)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/37/7588-301122151838-37472956.jpeg)
Wayne
Thanks again Wayne, the multi coloured line on this sea martin reel, when new & not faded, was very affective, on the sea martin reels , the way they cross weeve the line onto the spool, can anyone tell me were I can buy more of this line, 8kg or almost 20 Lbs, cheers Don.
Donny - I am a little confused (what else is new) but:
The title says mono but the photo looks like a braid? I know that colored braid is not uncommon.
For mono, again the brand that you have is not something I am familiar with but what I am familiar with in the mono sector are lines that are used by bass fisherman here at night with black light from the boat. I thought I had a spool of bright yellow around but when I went and looked it appears I used it/gave it away. Stuff would really "pop" at night when you had a blacklight setup on the side of the boat, and would allow you to see those "finesse" bites to crank up and set the hook. - john
There are multiple companies that sell camo monofilament. Crappie Maxx, Trik Fish, High-Seas, to name few. Just search multi colored monofilament fishing line. (https://www.google.com/search?q=multi+colored+monofilament+fishing+line&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjb57_Msdf7AhVbxykDHfogBf4Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=multi+colored+monofilament+fishing+line&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDFAAWABgAGgAcAB4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1n&sclient=img&ei=XhOIY9vAK9uOp8kP-sGU8A8&bih=675&biw=1384&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS583US583&hl=en)
Quote from: Brewcrafter on December 01, 2022, 01:41:16 AMDonny - I am a little confused (what else is new) but:
The title says mono but the photo looks like a braid? I know that colored braid is not uncommon.
For mono, again the brand that you have is not something I am familiar with but what I am familiar with in the mono sector are lines that are used by bass fisherman here at night with black light from the boat. I thought I had a spool of bright yellow around but when I went and looked it appears I used it/gave it away. Stuff would really "pop" at night when you had a blacklight setup on the side of the boat, and would allow you to see those "finesse" bites to crank up and set the hook. - john
Quote from: Midway Tommy on December 01, 2022, 02:52:37 AMThere are multiple companies that sell camo monofilament. Crappie Maxx, Trik Fish, High-Seas, to name few. Just search multi colored monofilament fishing line. (https://www.google.com/search?q=multi+colored+monofilament+fishing+line&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjb57_Msdf7AhVbxykDHfogBf4Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=multi+colored+monofilament+fishing+line&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDFAAWABgAGgAcAB4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1n&sclient=img&ei=XhOIY9vAK9uOp8kP-sGU8A8&bih=675&biw=1384&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS583US583&hl=en)
John I nearly stepped in to it and wanted to agree with you, I can not think that I have ever seen multicoloured mono :D :D
Then I clicked on Tommy's link ;D ;D
Oh, there was a German company that used to make mono like that...it's buried in my memory. I can se the label in my mind but I cannot read it.
I think the only company that still makes this kind of line is High Seas, Quattro Monofilament.
I bought some multicolor mono leader (Hi-Seas Quatro) a couple years back. The theory is that it works like camouflage, breaking up the profile, so the fish doesn't recognize it as fishing line. That of course presumes that fish have enough deductive reasoning to recognize and avoid fishing line ::)
I wanted to see if leader tint mattered. As as I kept cutting my leader down while fishing, I had different colors next to my fly. The fish didn't seem to care, but some guides did have an allergy to camo leaders. It made them cranky :)
I will use what I have, but I am not itching to buy more.
BTW- Don's line does not look like Quatro.
-J
Thanks Tommy, it defiantly mono thanks John, cheers Don.
Quote from: jurelometer on December 01, 2022, 05:08:54 AMI bought some multicolor mono leader (Hi-Seas Quatro) a couple years back. The theory is that it works like camouflage, breaking up the profile, so the fish doesn't recognize it as fishing line. That of course presumes that fish have enough deductive reasoning to recognize and avoid fishing line ::)
My take on it is fish don't have that kind of deductive reasoning, or at least they don't have the capability to see and think "hey that's fishing line, and I will avoid that". I think they just see something that is not natural and therefore deduct that they shouldn't eat that. Hence, presentation. Present them something that is natural by concealing the mono or braid and they won't hesitate to take the "bait". Well, if they are hungry, that is!
I used quattro kingfishing, found it very durable. I used 20 of fluor to rig so whether the camo was useful I can't say. The red's gonna dissappear at thirty feet and the greenish color around 60 so it'll all be just a darker shadow at that point anyway. If I'm fishing shallow enough so that matters, it'll be fluoro leader anyway or at least green line if dark green water.
I have a 249 that has red/pink/purple lead core on it. Was that meant to disguise the line like these monofilament lines?
Quote from: Shellbelly on December 01, 2022, 05:36:20 PMI have a 249 that has red/pink/purple lead core on it. Was that meant to disguise the line like these monofilament lines?
No. Each color is 10 yds so you can tell how much line is out and how deep your hook/lure is. Most have a chart that estimates the depth depending on your mph trolling speed and yds of line that's been released.
it's not "camo" (hide the line) -- that would be color change every foot
it's "metered" (measure line out) -- color change every 10yd / 10m
olive sections kinda' look like Tectan (discontinued, German?)... don't know if they ever made metered
Thank you, Gentlemen! So when did multi-color mono first show up? I remember seeing it being used...from a distance under night fishing lights, the colors stand out above the water when retrieved.
Interesting topic!
Quote from: Breadfan on December 01, 2022, 01:36:13 PMQuote from: jurelometer on December 01, 2022, 05:08:54 AMI bought some multicolor mono leader (Hi-Seas Quatro) a couple years back. The theory is that it works like camouflage, breaking up the profile, so the fish doesn't recognize it as fishing line. That of course presumes that fish have enough deductive reasoning to recognize and avoid fishing line ::)
My take on it is fish don't have that kind of deductive reasoning, or at least they don't have the capability to see and think "hey that's fishing line, and I will avoid that". I think they just see something that is not natural and therefore deduct that they shouldn't eat that. Hence, presentation. Present them something that is natural by concealing the mono or braid and they won't hesitate to take the "bait". Well, if they are hungry, that is!
I mostly agree, but would want to refine that a bit. I think you are still giving the fish a bit more deductive capacity than they deserve.
I think that this kind of avoidance in terms of vaguely suspecting a trap is less likely than the line messing with the signal that triggers a feeding response in a predatory fish.
The difference being that it takes a much simpler, energy efficient system (brain) to decide when to stick something in the mouth based on a high probability of it being food based on very simple observations ( profile, motion, smell), than it does to evaluate the pros and cons(e.g., tasty looking baitfish, but what is that long skinny thing coming out of its mouth?) Fish have fairly small and primitive brains.
For example, a salmon egg drifting down a stream has the profile, smell and motion to strongly fire off multiple feeding triggers in a trout. High probability of being food. But hook that egg on a dropper loop on a 20 lb leader, and anchored to the bottom, and now from a sensory perspective, a much lower probability of being food. The trigger signals are much weaker. Maybe some investigation, but not rushing in to eat.
Switch to a 4lb limp leader, and the egg starts to move around more "naturally" and the chances of getting a bite go up. Lose the sinker and drift that leadered egg past the trout, and the trigger signals gets even stronger.
It is natural to see this from a human perspective and assume that the fish decided not to bite because it saw a leader, but it just doesn't seem as likely to me.
The fish are not talking, so we will never know for sure :)
Thanks every one, some very good comments, I am only interested in the multi colours, not what the fish think, as it is quite decorative, with the cross weeve on the spool, I am only thinking of it catching someones eye, as I try to sell this reel, and a couple of other Sea Martin reels I have, cheers Don.
Quote from: Donnyboat on December 02, 2022, 12:22:41 AMThanks every one, some very good comments, I am only interested in the multi colours, not what the fish think, as it is quite decorative, with the cross weeve on the spool, I am only thinking of it catching someones eye, as I try to sell this reel, and a couple of other Sea Martin reels I have, cheers Don.
I am laughing at this, Catching someone eye ... You can flip the line end for end with the unused side on top ...
What a ride!!
Quote from: oldmanjoe on December 02, 2022, 12:35:53 AMYou can flip the line end for end with the unused side on top ...
...and he just drops the microphone.
I love this place!
Quote from: oldmanjoe on December 02, 2022, 12:35:53 AMQuote from: Donnyboat on December 02, 2022, 12:22:41 AM...it is quite decorative, with the cross weeve on the spool, I am only thinking of it catching someones eye...
I am laughing at this, Catching someone eye ... You can flip the line end for end with the unused side on top ...
all that bother for eye-catching?
just wear something low-cut in photo
Quote from: philaroman on December 02, 2022, 01:59:08 AMjust wear something low-cut in photo
There's a Penn 250 that's been listed for maybe a year being held close to a "pair". I think nobody will buy it cause "they" have become eye candy.
Okay thanks Joe, I reverst the line many years ago, thats why I say it fadee, I had a close look @ the mono, it is not braided, just changes colour every 18 inches, two shades of green, also a red wine colour, a blue & yellow. cheers Don.
Trik Fish Armor Tough Mono comes in "camo" colors. It's supposed to be pretty good stuff, (I haven't tried it yet). It's made of "Perlon" not nylon, but looks like standard "mono".
Sorry to go all sciency again, but I can't help myself :)
Haven't used Trikfish, but am a bit skeptical about their claims.
Trikfish does make the claim "unlike nylon" (which seems "unlikely") but I didn't see any claim from them that they are using product from the Perlon company. A partially defunct triplefish.net website does reference Perlon. So maybe the retailers got confused?
The Perlon filament company describes their fishing line product as NYLON, specifically a nylon 6 -nylon 6/6 copolymer (bl end), which being two of the oldest flavors of nylon, probably nothing especially unique:
https://www.perlon.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/PER_PB_PerlonXline_en_092022.pdf (https://www.perlon.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/PER_PB_PerlonXline_en_092022.pdf)
Longer version:
Perlon was originally a trade name for Nylon 6 monomer (no blend), one of the earliest nylons. According to this old Berkeley patent, nylon 6 was the common original monofilament line, but suffered from stiffness.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3182100A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US3182100A/en)
Nylon 6 was developed in Europe, and now Perlon is a also the name of a German filament company that makes among other things, monofilament fishing line. Wouldn't be surprised if Trikfish is contracting their line from Perlon- as Perlon seems to be a big player. From what I have read, few line companies actually make their own lines. The larger line companies can probably contract for some a la carte recipes/treatments. The smaller line companies just select from the menu.
AFAIK, when fishing line companies start spewing techno-babblespeak about "co-polyamides", they are just referring to nylon blends. Polyamide and nylon is used almost interchangeably. There are other synthetic polyamides out there (e.g., Aramid/Kevlar), but nylon is the one that fits the bill for clarity, mechanical properties, and affordability needed for monofilament fishing line.
Not a chemist, so take the above with a grain of salt...
And I think that Don has founded the best use for Camo line- attracting fishermen :D
-J
Wasn't Trik-Fish previously known as Triple-Fish?
From Linkedin:
Dona Stallings
Administrative at Triple Fish Int'l./Trik Fish LLC
Clermont, Florida, United States
But yes, Trik-Fish does not mention Perlon on their site, although the big retailers claim it's perlon in the descriptions.
Quote from: nelz on December 02, 2022, 08:47:29 PMWasn't Trik-Fish previously known as Triple-Fish?
From Linkedin:
Dona Stallings
Administrative at Triple Fish Int'l./Trik Fish LLC
Clermont, Florida, United States
But yes, Trik-Fish does not mention Perlon on their site, although the big retailers claim it's perlon in the descriptions.
Had to check this out. Looks like the Triple Fish branding was not properly immunized, and got infected in the "Florida" :)
An actual real, well known company with a physical address - American Fishing Wire - owns the USA trademark "Triple Fish" and sells Triple Fish and Hi Seas line via a deal with the original Euro company. This is the real stuff.
https://fishingtackleretailer.com/triple-fish-relaunch/ (https://fishingtackleretailer.com/triple-fish-relaunch/)
The triplefishamerica URL goes to a site selling Trikfish line. The Trikfish packaging is remarkably similar in appearance to Triple Fish. Sorta fishy. No physical address on the contact page at Trikfish.
There is a Florida guy connected to two LLCs - Triple Fish LLC, and Triple Fish International LLC, as well as Trikfish. There are several other defunct "Triple Fish" companies, all based in Florida, and one actually sued another (Triple Fish Am., Inc. v. Triple Fish Int'l, L.C). None of this has any apparent legitimate link to the authentic stuff.
-J
Trik Fish Llc and Triple Fish International, L.c. share the same address:
1240 Commons Ct,
Clermont, Florida, 34711
Also, look at the back of this Trik-Fish spool:
Does this look like the fishing line?
(https://img.tacklewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=TFOC-1.jpg)
Quote from: nelz on December 02, 2022, 10:41:26 PMTrik Fish Llc and Triple Fish International, L.c. share the same address:
1240 Commons Ct,
Clermont, Florida, 34711
Also, look at the back of this Trik-Fish spool:
Yep. That is what I pretty much what said in my post. Note that there is a difference between a brand name and a business name.
Triple Fish(brand) is an active registered trademark of the Portuguese company that licensed the official Triple Fish brand to AFW (company). Just did a trademark search to verify active ownership.
Somebody in Florida somehow managed to register the name "Triple Fish" for an LLC business in Florida, but does not have rights to the trademark for the actual Triple Fish brand. The product name used is the lookalike "Trik Fish". So I really doubt that this is the official product.
Hope this helps,
-J
Well, now I feel trikked. :o
Ya wanna get trikk'd? Buy some "Power Pro" on eBay!
Thanks for your input everyone, some good info, cheers Don.
I manged to find some of the line I was after, I will see if my old mate Wayne, will post some pictures of it for us all, cheers Don.
Don found the colored line he has been discussing in this post. He asked if I would post these photos, Don take it from here!!!!
(https://alantani.com/gallery/37/7588-190223153135-376902043.jpeg)
(https://alantani.com/gallery/37/7588-190223153134-37690653.jpeg)
Wayne
well I had this almost typed on this post & it disappeared on me, Thanks again Wayne you do look after me man, I was helping a friend restore his 4 Alvey deck winches, & he uses this line for a leeder, but he was not that happy with this spool, as its not as pliable as usual, so I brought it from him for nothing, very generous of me ay, he has been buying it from the Geraldton fishermans co-op. for many years as he was a pro fisherman for a long time, but he stopped when his two sons were just geting into high school, so he could give then that firm hand teenagers some time need. I hope some of the members get some value out of this post, & thanks every one for there comments, cheers Don.
https://www.amazon.com/camo-fishing-line/s?k=camo+fishing+line
https://www.fish307.com/triple-fish-monofilament-line-camo-2-pound-spool/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153106816280
https://www.ebay.com/b/Multicolor-Monofilament-Fishing-Fishing-Lines-Leaders/261033/bn_112497717
https://www.temu.com/samdely-monofilament-fishing-line-invisible-abrasion-resistant-110yds-mono-line-superior-camo-green-spot-nylon-material-suspend-in-water-low-visibility-paralleled-roll-track-knot-friendly-2-40lb-g-601099512054817.html
https://trikfish.com/products/armour-tough-monofilament-camo-1lb-bulk-spool
Thank Mr Day, great resurch that must have taken quite a bit of your time, I am sure many of us will bennifett from your hard work, thanks again, cheers Don.
Donny - With the photo and your description, now I think I finally "see" what you were describing (face palm). The colored mono lines I was thinking about were for either hi-vis visual purposes in low/artificial light conditions OR were of a "metered" variety where "x amount of colors out = y meters of line". But I can see how if the color changes every 18 inches or so it is wholly as a "camouflage" approach - break up the line to make it more invisible in the water in certain light conditions. And I can see how the color changes can be quite striking on a spool, kind of like the really talented individuals that use variegated rod wrapping thread to make really striking patterns on rod wraps. I can see how spooling up a reel would look pretty neat. - john
Thanks John, so it catches the eye of a potential buyer, I have 3 of them one to keep in my cabnet & 2 to sell, keep well cheers Don. time you sent me some jokes young man.