this andros is being wound with 50 pound braid that is under 8 pounds of pressure. that is well within specs for this reel. in low gear it's fine. in high gear, it skips. has anyone else had this problem. i vaguely recall an issue a while back. i'll send an email to okuma tomorrow, but thought i'd check here first.
https://youtu.be/v9KzOxJb3ys
I've had that issue with Andros and Makairas. Often if you rotate the pin by 90 or 180 or 270 degrees and if that doesn't work, flip it then repeat until it seats nicely. Sometimes the pin gets hammered a particular way due to the pressure of engaging the high speed gear.
But the gears are slipping, one tooth at a time, right?
Don't know about the skipping problem Alan, but is that a bottle of Laphroaig 10 I spy with my little eye ;)
That's a very dangerous place to have your hand - I use one of these - a re-cycled rod tip.
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Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on May 15, 2018, 09:23:44 AM
Don't know about the skipping problem Alan, but is that a bottle of Laphroaig 10 I spy with my little eye ;)
Yes, one of my favorites!
;D
Quote from: alantani on May 15, 2018, 06:33:44 AM
But the gears are slipping, one tooth at a time, right?
Yes, the gears are slipping but it's not the the gear teeth if it's what I'm thinking as described by Bryan. For the actual teeth of the gear to skip would include other very noticeable issues such as excessive gear / shaft wear or gear not machined within specs.
The squared cross / shift pin is what allows us to change gears & must mesh well with it's machined slot in both the high & low gear. If it is not it can be forced against the spring loaded pin & come out of gear with the anti reverse dogs stopping this & the cross/ shift pin gets pushed back in it's slot. This appears to be whats happening... Jeff
That scared the crap out of me when it jumped. Its easy to tell the drag is low. Any higher you couldn't move the line by hand
The rod tip level wind tool is good but it needs a cut out in it so it would be safer. A slot cut out so you can put it on the line and take it off. I can't tell if it has one or not.
Alan, I cant tell you much about placing line on reels, when I`m running line on the spool I try to place more line on the outside edges, of the spool rather than have it level right across, then if I do hook a good size fish, more of the line will level out in the centre, as I wind the fish in, cheers Don.
Ok, I watched the video in really slow motion and I have a theory.
If it's anything like the Metaloid 5 2-speed (I can't find a schematic for the old style Andros 2) the high speed pinion gear nests in the low speed pinion gear, which is what actually drives the drag plate/AR ratchet and all of that assembly. My money is on the interface between these two gears slipping.
Quote from: handi2 on May 15, 2018, 11:18:20 PM
That scared the crap out of me when it jumped. Its easy to tell the drag is low. Any higher you couldn't move the line by hand
The rod tip level wind tool is good but it needs a cut out in it so it would be safer. A slot cut out so you can put it on the line and take it off. I can't tell if it has one or not.
Keith, my original version did have a slot but it kept catching the line when I was pushing and pulling. My current one doesn't have a slot.
Quote from: boon on May 16, 2018, 04:28:06 AM
Ok, I watched the video in really slow motion and I have a theory.
If it's anything like the Metaloid 5 2-speed (I can't find a schematic for the old style Andros 2) the high speed pinion gear nests in the low speed pinion gear, which is what actually drives the drag plate/AR ratchet and all of that assembly. My money is on the interface between these two gears slipping.
You could be right. What Bryan described & your diagnoses could give the same symptoms... Jeff
apparently there was an issue with the gears on some models. funny, mine are fine. this reel is going back to okuma today!
Im also having this problem on a almost new (two trips out) 5IIA. Due to sitting on a shelfe for a wile, the reel is out of warrenty. I fliped the square pin, and wille see if this helped when i load the reel down and try to wind...
okuma will likely take care of you. maybe start the conversation with, "i was on alantani.com and i read that.....".
Okuma is a good company —
If this is an issue of defective parts in one of their reels, and not any abuse — I would expect that Okuma would address and handle the issue — even if it is out of warranty.
If approached properly — most of the current major reel manufacturer players would likely do the same.
These would include — Okuma, Penn, Avet, Accurate. I would have less confidence in Shimano and
Daiwa — but no manufacturer wants the reputation of faulty reels.
In this day and age of instant ratings and product information available — It may take decades to earn a good reputation of dependability and attention to product support — and only a few mistakes to lose that good reputation.
Taking care of customers properly by doing the unexpected above and beyond — is 100 times more effective than their annual advertising budget $$$. And costs them in essence — virtually nothing.
Let us all know how it works out.
Contact Okuma directly.
Best,
Fred
Thank you very much. I will see if i managged to fix this myself, but if not, I will get in contact with okuma again, and maybe link to this board?
No matter the turnout, i will get back and tell you the outcome.
Have a nice weekend.
I got a Okuma Andros 5IIa in for service and found out it has the same problem. It slips while cranking without load in high gear.I took away the edges of wear on the pin with a file, but the reel still slips. It has quite much gearsound in high gear.
Did anyone solve the problem by just replacing the pin or the reels were sent to Okuma ?
The pin is square and has to sit that way for the gear to engage properly. Sometimes rotating the pin 90° will allow the pin to engage more securely. I've also have found the pins a little bit more square and found that grips a little bit better as well. For myself, I have. replaced pins, rotated pins, and file pins with hitting this results.
Judging from the reels that were sent back to me by okuma, the cross pin and both high and low speed gears were replaced.
Thanks Alan and Bryan! I will see if I can find out who runs Okuma here in Sweden (Scandinavia). Send them an email and see if I can sort it out ?