This is my new hotrodded Penn 112H with ss gears(4 to 1),ss gear sleeve,ss yoke,double dogs,and accurate frame.
(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii608/saltydogreelrepair/112hcompletedreel_zps8c18aef3.jpg)
This is what I began with.
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The teardown
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Dremel out the sideplate for double dogs that will engage together
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File and fit the dogs,the lower one is the same as above but filed to fit.
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Reassemble the sideplate,with carbon fiber drag washers in place of the fiber ones.
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Grease the frame screwholes
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Attach left side plate
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Put the spool in place
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Attach right side plate
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(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii608/saltydogreelrepair/112hputonrightplate_zpsf9e3f86b.jpg)
Finished reel
(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii608/saltydogreelrepair/112hcompletedreel_zps8c18aef3.jpg)
Now all I need is a new handle arm and a 6/0 handle grip,and ss dogs to be finished with it.The freespool clocked at 1 minute and 40 seconds,not bad for the old girl and the drag went from 8# to 15# steady with no sign of twist or damaging effects but we will see when I put some fish on it.
nice! save the bars. they will come in handy if you ever find an old beat up senator someday!
Hit the post button to early so had to go get the rest to add.
Great work SD - and a nice approach to the second dog.
Pure synchronicity that it should be your 112th post ;) ;D
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers, Justin
Very nice. A junior "tank". I like the little hook on the end of the dog spring. Tanks for the idea.
Nice dremel work Saltydog ;). Did you make that spring?
Congrats on your sticky, nice job.
Sal
Tanks for the complements,and yes I did make the spring,the little crook in the end helps keep it from getting lost when the reel gets bounced around on a boat ride..It took a little time with the diamond file on the dog but it was worth it.
NICE!
The second dog should be longer and the end filed to match up better with the gear sleeve. Sometime in the near future I'll have some SS dogs cut for 112H and 500 reels, when I do I'll have longer ones cut for double dogging and I'll use your idea on the shape of the second dog, thank you.
Hello Salty
Just a thought, maybe turn that new dog over ( scratch his belly, my dogs like that ) it might have a little better angle on the gear. But maybe you already tried that.
Very nice work.
Buzz
The angle on the dog in the picture is a little off because the shaft wasn't straight when I took the photo,they both engage at the same time and at the right angle.You know trying to take a photo and hold the objective in frame.Just doesn't look that way.
Ok, let me know if the angles on the dogs need to be changed.
I see said the blind man.
Buzz
It is the same angle but it is a hair shorter than the main dog,I would just make it full length and suggest file fitting it to match the reel your working on.
SD---Great work...and you would have to do it to my favorite Penn Size---112....keep up the good work.
Just got done double dogging a 113H
(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii608/saltydogreelrepair/2012-10-17142545_zps76b9b6aa.jpg)
and a 114H
(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii608/saltydogreelrepair/2012-10-13091858_zpsb17464a8.jpg)
used the alternating dogs on this reel to clean up some handle slop
Now just to get the ss gear sleeves and frames.
Nice work sd - thanks for sharing.
Cheers, Justin
With a frame upgrade, stainless gears and sleeve, and double stainless dogs, will a112H pull 25 POUNDS?
Quote from: floating doc on June 19, 2013, 03:29:39 AM
With a frame upgrade, stainless gears and sleeve, and double stainless dogs, will a112H pull 25 POUNDS?
Not yet. With a octagon adapter and tough CF drags 25lb is a reasonable target.
Would the upgraded frame mean you were able to run braid on it ?
yes it can handle braid but I wouldn't put less than 50#, anything less is just too small, I run 80 on mine and have plenty of line.475 yards to be exact packed down.
Quote from: Keta on June 19, 2013, 03:55:22 AM
Quote from: floating doc on June 19, 2013, 03:29:39 AM
With a frame upgrade, stainless gears and sleeve, and double stainless dogs, will a112H pull 25 POUNDS?
Not yet. With a octagon adapter and tough CF drags 25lb is a reasonable target.
Ok, is the octagon adapter available here, or is this something that I would have to fabricate?
Lee just sent me one. He is the sole source!
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on June 24, 2013, 04:55:45 AM
Lee just sent me one. He is the sole source!
Ron
Great! Can I get one? I bought a 112HN frame and spool last night!
I'm starting to figure this out: Alan has the sleeves and stainless dogs. I'll need two, and hope I don't ruin the side plate. I only have a vague idea of how to modify the side plate for the second dog.
Then I'll need 5:1 stainless gears and as much drag as possible (I want at least 22 lbs) so that means the hex/eared drag. After that, possibly some new bearings, then finally, a handle.
Sounds right?
I have some hex adapters still but you would be better off waiting for the next run of octagon ones. There is a slight chance I have one octagon adapter in a gear in the shop though, I'll look in the morning. Congratulations on your purchasing the last red 112HN frame.
With all of these drag improvements being made to the old Penns,
the DRAG RACE is on! :D :D
BTW this is all good stuff. I like it.
I doubt you will need new bearings, the 112h uses bushings. It still casts great though. ;)
Ron
Quote from: Keta on June 25, 2013, 03:06:51 AM
I have some hex adapters still but you would be better off waiting for the next run of octagon ones. There is a slight chance I have one octagon adapter in a gear in the shop though, I'll look in the morning. Congratulations on your purchasing the last red 112HN frame.
Thank you. I agonized over whether to buy this frame. It's a real stretch for me to buy it. I'm just recovering from bankruptcy and the loss of my veterinary practice in 2011 (thanks a lot Well's Fargo). A couple of months ago I had to plan ahead to buy a pair of sneakers.
Still, as you observed, this was the last one. I couldn't stand it. Now I've got to carry through and build it into the reel it's meant to be, plus build a jigging rod for it. The rod will be easier; I started rod building in 1980.
I had my legs crushed several years ago and money can be tight, reels keep my hands and mind occupied.
Quote from: noyb72 on June 25, 2013, 04:00:02 AM
I doubt you will need new bearings, the 112h uses bushings. It still casts great though. ;)
Ron
Oh, I thought it was a ball bearing reel. I guess it's closer to the 500 jigmaster than I realized. That's ok by me.
I'm excited!
You'll be ok with bushings. The 500 and 112H also have the bearing option, but it's not cheap. You'll need to hunt down the Accu-plates. I like bushings on these .
I found several 500/112H octagon adapters in a box under my work bench.
I think that this frame only works with the stock side plates. I'm ok with bushings; less to go wrong.
Quote from: Keta on June 25, 2013, 04:08:57 AM
I had my legs crushed several years ago and money can be tight, reels keep my hands and mind occupied.
I was left an incomplete paraplegic after an injury 24 years ago. I live on the water and still fish out of my Ocean Master 31'. The reels keep me busy and my mind off the non relenting spinal cord pain..!! I do understand what you mean..!!
Keith
So have you fished with this reel yet?
Quote from: handi2 on July 15, 2013, 11:28:41 PM
Quote from: Keta on June 25, 2013, 04:08:57 AM
I had my legs crushed several years ago and money can be tight, reels keep my hands and mind occupied.
I was left an incomplete paraplegic after an injury 24 years ago. I live on the water and still fish out of my Ocean Master 31'. The reels keep me busy and my mind off the non relenting spinal cord pain..!! I do understand what you mean..!!
Keith
You are worse off than I am, I fall down (before tequila) and live with constant pain but I can still walk most days.
Bula Salty,
Have you changed out the drags yet for Bryan's 5 stack or Lee's octagon?
If so, how'd it go and hows it working for you?
just wondering.. as i sit here and fondle my own 112h ;D trying to decide who's the best candidate for the coveted Tib frame, the 112h, the 100, or the 501 (1 at a time, slowly slowly)
Quote from: Keta on June 25, 2013, 11:04:25 AM
I found several 500/112H octagon adapters in a box under my work bench.
Lee, do you have any more of those left? I'd like to give one a go if you do. pm with details.
Thanks you guys!
I'll look when I go to the shop in the morning.
If it was me I'd do the frames in this order, 112H (narrow), 501 then the Surfmaster. I'm working on putting a Newell base and bars on one of my 150s right now and a Tiberon frame for one of my 100's will be next.
I haven't used Bryans 5 stack but made my own before the kit was available and the reel did very well with a strong ramp up in drag pressure compared to the normal 3 stack, I easily got 20# which is way more than I need from this reel. I haven't used the octagon insert but have used the hex insert and got 20 # again but I did not push the reel any further. I use my reel for 30-50# topshots and don't use more than 15# of drag on it. I have a standard width 112H with ss 4:1 accurate gears, ss double dogs, 5+1 carbon fiber drag stack, ss gear sleeve, ss yoke, aluminum accurate frame(which will soon be topless), and 475 yards 80# braid. The reel works great and have caught quite a few tuna and sharks on it without any problems.
QuoteI have a standard width 112H with ss 4:1 accurate gears, ss double dogs, 5+1 carbon fiber drag stack, ss gear sleeve, ss yoke, aluminum accurate frame(which will soon be topless), and 475 yards 80# braid. The reel works great and have caught quite a few tuna and sharks on it without any problems.
Nice - sounds like a keeper William ;) ;D
Quote from: erikpowell on September 20, 2013, 05:07:48 AM
Lee, do you have any more of those left? I'd like to give one a go if you do. pm with details.
I have a few left if anyone is interested.
Thanks to Lee's handle my little 112H junior tank is finished. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Looks nice with the custom handle. Where did you get that crank arm? I need a nice crank arm for my 112HN.
I got it from KETA or Lee as we all know him. I think it is a really well balanced arm and has a lot of cranking force with no give at heavy drag.
very nice william, reel nice work, thanks for sharing the info and the pictures. harryk
Man! :-\
I'm still waiting for my 114H arms. I can't wait to put Alan's 6/0 grips on them and post some pics. One is going on a 9/0. (same sleeve) patience is a virtue. I keep telling myself this. :P
Sweet reel! Great work on the double dogs.
Back to the double dogs on these 112H side plates: what did you make the spring from? I tried to cut a SS razor blade, but it was far too brittle. I just broke when I tried to bend it.
Hey Doc, use one from a disposable head
Thanks for the tip.
I go to the hobby store and get small brass sheets to cut my springs.
Does anyone know where I could get ss gears for my 112 h.
Quote from: garking84 on November 15, 2013, 02:05:05 PM
Does anyone know where I could get ss gears for my 112 h.
Here
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6713.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6713.0)
Keta , thanks for the info really appreciate it
Hello, I'm almost finished upgrading my 112h all I need is the ss hardened yoke 12-500. I believe it uses the same yoke as a jigmaster, because I got 1 a couple months ago for my jigmaster just can't remember where I bought it from. Does anyone have 1 available or know where I could find one.
I bought mine from smoothdrag. I had to sand it down a bit since the stainless ones are a bit thicker than the brass ones. It only took a minute or two.
Floating doc, I just checked smoothdrags website and they do have the yoke listed. I send them an email to see if they have any available, just waiting for reply.
Thanks.
Just finished double-doging my 112h.
I won't use it for shark fishiing, so I chose to use alternating dogs.
The new dog was made from a stainless washer of suitable thickness. I made it longer than the orignal and with a slight curve so that it clicks into the ratchet about 180 degrees from the orignal. It can't be too long, because that will make the geometry wrong and the dog is pushed out of position under load. The angle between a line through the center of the bolt that holds the dog, through the nose of the dog and a line from the nose of the dog and through the center of the ratchet must be more than 90 degrees.
I managed to get it slightly over 95 degrees so it is pushed against the ratchet under load.
The original dog was shortened about 1mm to make them alternate in a useable way.
I used a strip from a razorblade as spring for the new dog. I used the dremel to cut a slot for the spring with a notch in the end where the end of the spring is hooked into.
I bent it in a rather sharp curve at the dog end. This make it a bit more powerful. The slot for the spring is completely covered by the bridge when installed.
I am sorry I didn't take any photos of this, but have a look at the photos others have published and use a bit of imagination and you will get the idea.
Since the handle end of the gear sleeve is unsupported it would be preferale to support it with a roller bearing of some sort.
My idea is to make a aluminium support plate that bolts to the side plate with longer bridge screws.
Machine the side plate flat, except where the spool bearing bushing and the oiler are located and enlarge the hole around the gear sleeve.
Make a aluminium bearing holder plate of suitable thickness according to the drawing below. A thickness of 8mm is quite possible. On my reel there is 8.8mm from the side plate to the underside of the drag star.
Use short steel sleeves in the orginal screw holes that extends a bit into the alu-plate from the underside to locate it in place. Use longer bridge screws to hold it in place on the side plate and hold the bridge. the hole for the roller bearing have to be made to fit the selected bearing and a spacing sleeve that fits the bearing and sits quite thight around the gear sleeve has to be made. A OD of 22mm is quite possible.
In this way, the drag star wont push on the roller bearing and the bearing will support the sideways load on the gear sleeve.
It requres a bit of work, but not more than you can do with a hack saw, drill press and a file. Ideally you have a milling machine to reduce the required amount of elbow grease.
good luck Looks like you have been thinking
anti reverse bearing maybe??
Quote from: jonnou on November 11, 2014, 04:27:28 AM
good luck Looks like you have been thinking
anti reverse bearing maybe??
No. That will require that you can lock the gear sleeve to the inner ring.
My idea has no such locking. It's just the pressure from the drag star that locks the inner ring/spacer sleeve. You don't need a stronger locking since we don't try to use it as anti-reverse locking.
The inner ring/spacer sleeve will rotate with the handle since it is pressed against the top of the drag stack and the uppermost metal there is locket to the gear sleeve.
I have found several needle bearings that may be used. some are just 8mm wide and some are 10mm wide. With an ID of 12mm and an OD of 16mm there is no problem making the spacer sleeve and the hole in the aluminium bearing holder block without running into problems with insuffcient metal anywhere.
This idea can be adopted for other reels where the gear sleeve needs support on the handle end. The 49 and 149 reels are candidates. Jigmaster 500 is also a reel that may benefit from this.
Anyone with a milling machine and some time to spend?
I've been working on something, but I'm going in a different direction. No bearings on mine, just a brass insert on the stainless steel sleeve, the bridge post will be machined smooth, not notched as it is now and the gear sleeve will be held in place from the top, no more pin. Bearings are not a good idea there...this is just my opinion. A brass insert/bushing will do a much better job, especially when under load and it would be almost maintenance free. this new stainless steel gear sleeve with a brass insert will fit very snug, but will still spin very smoothly, definitely smoother than now.
Stainless steel bridge plate and stainless steel gear post are plenty strong, making those function as smooth as possible will help eliminate friction/flexing when under load.
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 11, 2014, 06:32:41 AM
I've been working on something, but I'm going in a different direction. No bearings on mine, just a brass insert on the stainless steel sleeve, the bridge post will be machined smooth, not notched as it is now and the gear sleeve will be held in place from the top, no more pin. Bearings are not a good idea there...this is just my opinion. A brass insert/bushing will do a much better job, especially when under load and it would be almost maintenance free. this new stainless steel gear sleeve with a brass insert will fit very snug, but will still spin very smoothly, definitely smoother than now.
Stainless steel bridge plate and stainless steel gear post are plenty strong, making those function as smooth as possible will help eliminate friction/flexing when under load.
I can see one problem with using a bearing there, and that is the possibillity of getting some crud into the bearing. Otherwise, a bearing is just as stable and strong as a bushing.
You can find bearings with dustproof lips on one side. Using one of them solves the problem with crud in the bearing.
I can't see any problems with replacing the bearing with a brass insert as you suggests. The radial load isn't so great that it will destroy either a bearing or a bushing. The main job for such an arrangement is to eliminate the gear sleeve wobble under load. If you can eliminate this wobble, I can't see any reason for replacing the brass bridge with stainless steel. There are no more wobling action to break the bridge post loose from the bridge. Using a stainless steel gear sleeve, stainless dogs, stainless gears in addition to this concept will make the reel almost bulletproof.
Add a one piece aluminium frame and 5+1 or hex drags and you can handle almost anything with it.
My lathe, drill press and most of my other tools are still at our old house about 260 miles from here, so my machining capabillities are a bit reduced at the moment.
It would be nice if anyone made a kit to test this concept, either with a brass insert or a needle bearing.
For some reason I like more the stance of the 3/0 than a jigmaster
In order to upgrade this reel a bit, does all the aftermarket SS parts for the jigmaster 500l fit this 112h reel?
@Salty dog, did you really fit 475 yds of 80# braid line on the 112h ?
Thats the same capacity of a 113h narrow kit or Baja Special..
This sounds like a nice project
I just found a 112h maroon plates a bit incomplete but with some TLC and few coins could be fishing again
Quote from: steelfish on June 28, 2015, 07:56:55 AM
In order to upgrade this reel a bit, does all the aftermarket SS parts for the jigmaster 500l fit this 112h reel?
The 98-60AT SS gearsleeve does, SS 15-309 AR dogs are available but the Black Pearl Jigmaster double dog SS Bridge does not work in a 112H. I have 2 112HN's I'd like to put BP SS double dog bridges in but as of now they are not made.
Quote from: Keta on June 28, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: steelfish on June 28, 2015, 07:56:55 AM
In order to upgrade this reel a bit, does all the aftermarket SS parts for the jigmaster 500l fit this 112h reel?
The 98-60AT SS gearsleeve does, SS 15-309 AR dogs are available but the Black Pearl Jigmaster double dog SS Bridge does not work in a 112H. I have 2 112HN's I'd like to put BP SS double dog bridges in but as of now they are not made.
thanks Keta, I might do the double dog in a Salty dog way, but surely go for SS sleeve and SS dogs, new carbontex or wait for the octagon drags and call it a day.
do you have pictures of your 112hn? I bet they look sweet
I built 2 of these for a customer with all the goodies. He uses them for jigging and bottom fishing for 2 years now without a problem.
He was just in the other day and told me he caught a 120lb Shark on it by accident when fishing a local wreck.
Do you remember the gears you had in there?
Quote from: handi2 on June 29, 2015, 12:17:30 AM
I built 2 of these for a customer with all the goodies. He uses them for jigging and bottom fishing for 2 years now without a problem.
He was just in the other day and told me he caught a 120lb Shark on it by accident when fishing a local wreck.
wow.. thats pretty cool
I was reading about the upgrades for the jigmaster and how some of them fit the 112h, this is the first time I see a 112h and really like it, even better than the jigmaster
and talking about the jigmaster which is the casting brother of the senator family, had any of you tried the newell bearings that fit the 500L and 112h ?
Im wondering if they worth the try and make this little 112h a better casting reel, not the best on its class but better reel overall than factory, specially with the SS goodies
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 29, 2015, 12:20:12 AM
Do you remember the gears you had in there?
Hey Sal it was Alan Chui's gears.
two questions:
- are the 500 and 112h right side bearings the same? I mean I can install the same bearing on any of those reels?
- I want to add a second dog into mine and really like what salty dog did and want to copycat the instalation, I have no reach to any hobby store or home depot or big brand of hardware store locally, any other source of thin brass sheets?
thanks
Quote from: Keta on June 28, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: steelfish on June 28, 2015, 07:56:55 AM
In order to upgrade this reel a bit, does all the aftermarket SS parts for the jigmaster 500l fit this 112h reel?
The 98-60AT SS gearsleeve does, SS 15-309 AR dogs are available but the Black Pearl Jigmaster double dog SS Bridge does not work in a 112H. I have 2 112HN's I'd like to put BP SS double dog bridges in but as of now they are not made.
I put one of the Pro Challenger bridges in mine. The upper bridge screws had to be welded and re tapped. I also had to remove one of the dogs from the bridge and install it by carving the sideplate. Probably too much trouble but I had to see if it could be made to work. If there is a will there is a way. Bob
Quote from: Cone on March 18, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
I put one of the Pro Challenger bridges in mine. The upper bridge screws had to be welded and re tapped. I also had to remove one of the dogs from the bridge and install it by carving the sideplate. Probably too much trouble but I had to see if it could be made to work. If there is a will there is a way. Bob
Yup! I agree.
Sal
Just read thru this because I'm going to build my narrow 112H today. couple question:
1) I'll be adding a 2nd dog and I have a dremel so I figure I can do that. Which dog is easiest to fit without filing? I have a bunch of donor reels,all different sizes to pick from. looking for simultanious. I'll have to use brass for now but my filing skills aren't the greatest either so as close as possible would be nice.
2) Since the dogs aren't stainless should I stick to the stock gears? I have a PC 500hx kit but I know the bridge won't work. Should I hold off on the stainless until I can get ahold of some stainless dogs?
3)I have a few cheapo throw away razors for a spring, is that a big hassle or should I just scarf one out of a parts reel. And good way to use a coil spring out of a bic or something?
4) I know it's an old post, any new techniques I should be aware of?
5) What happened to trond? I don't think they made a box big enough for him to think outside of.
Need a project to occupy my mind
Thanks in advance, Sheridan
i just put a 112h together yesterday. i didn't double dog it, but may do so in the future, so please post pics of yours. i just added stainless sleeve, dog, gears, and bryan's drag kit. i had some stainless dogs i got from keta that i thought were for a jigmaster, but werent, were actually 112h dogs. of course, when i went to do the final assy with all parts lubed/greased the dog spring went flying :D. so i had some springs i saved from a broken automotive switch that i cut in half and stretched a little. much stronger/ more tension than the og spring. i have an extra dog and spring if it will help you. lmk.
Filters, here's a link to my double dog on a 112h.......Bill
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22566.0
What are you using to make your springs?