This is currently the only one in existence and just completed. Started with a NIB P533 4.6 and installed a black narrow Tiburon frame and spool. All mating surfaces are lubricated to prevent electrolysis from salt. All screws were lubricated upon assembly. The harness lugs were replaced with SS plugs to fill the gaps, the newly manufactured close tolerance heat treated SS gear sleeve from Tom was installed, the newly cut SS star from Adam was installed, .031 Delrin is under the gear, Bryan's 5 stack drag is installed as well. The bellevilles from Mcmaster or from Scott's have an edge on them. I like to cut that edge down with a stone to prevent it from possible cutting into the .020 delrin on top of the stack (see pics). Shaving the edge off of the Belleville also benefits fit up in the side plate but still snug enough that you never go to no drag. Take the delrin out and this problem goes away but by being like this you never get water into the drag system.
On the outside I used 4 of the wavy washers from Mc Master against the drag spacer and then the 3-18 and then another wavy washer. This softens the loading of the drag slightly. The handle is a modified Shimano handle has become my favorite on my 500s with the offset putting the knob closer to the body and the textured knob is just perfect for really fast cranking. Other handles may look cooler but for me it is all about function first of all and cosmetics take a backseat.
The close tolerances of the drive system on the reel are extremely smooth and strong. Abec 5 bearings soaked in TSI 321 were chosen and the spool spins over a minute easily. Hard fishing gets all kinds of contaminants between the body and SS rings so I like to put a thin coat of Penn blue under the rings and when something is already there then the fish juice and bait juice can't get in. With disciplined washing after each use this should be a lifetime reel.
The new owner of this reel should be happy with the total weight of 25 1/4 oz sitting upon the custom rod that is in the early stages of planning.
This combo is also going to be paired with a P338J with a matching black Tiburon frame and the same handle with the shorter hole position. This is my recommendation for exact ergonomics for less fumbling with a different feel. This reel will also have a very unique rod to sit on when built.
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Great job on the build and nice looking reel ... the 4.6 should be really versatile.
Beautiful planning and engineering, Dwight --
That is a tough, light, and versatile reel.
Best,
Fred
Nice 8) He's going to be a happy customer
Marc..
One sweet reel...nice job.
Thanks Guys
The Newell owners already know but the angle of the pic did not show the standard double dogs in the 500 series. The sound real nice with the new SS sleeve.
I told him if he wanted his check back it would not hurt my feelings any. He has not asked for the check back so he must like it.
Now that is one solid looking reel. At that weight, and it and balance it imparts, it will likely be a pleasure to fish with all day. Nice work!
BTW, I came accross a set of new looking cobalt blue S546 side plates posted locally on CL yesterday.
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/spo/5006339978.html
Brian (Brian's Fishing Honolulu) has just recieved matching cobalt blue tib frames and spools this week,. They are the same color as these...
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/spo/5005617839.html
I am trying to forget about all 3.
You are not helping.
First class job Dwight!!!! Looks great with the Tib frame. Your right on that arm too, its the perfect offset.
...............Lou
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 03, 2015, 08:19:41 PM
Thanks Guys
The Newell owners already know but the angle of the pic did not show the standard double dogs in the 500 series. TheY sound real nice with the new SS sleeve.
I told him if he wanted his check back it would not hurt my feelings any. He has not asked for the check back so he must like it.
Good afternoon, my name is Tim and I use Mac53 on this forum. I am the soon to be owner of this Dry Tortugas Fish Killing machine! There is a short story behind this project that I would like to share with you. I have been researching reel options since last year. I looked at almost every option on the market and heard the Sales praises of how this reel did this and this reel did that but I never felt 100% confident in any of these reels. I have been a member on this forum since 2013 but always as an informational reader rather than a contributor because frankly, I am not skilled at the things that most of you are. But what I am skilled at is problem definition, informational searches and finding solutions. I read many of the threads in most of the tutorials and decided that the Newell might be exactly what I was looking for. During all this reading I got a good idea of the reel building knowledge base of many forum members and in the end choose Dwight to help me see this project thru. He and I exchanged emails bouncing off my needs with his suggestions and we ended up with the above 533. He is also putting together a 338 using the same approaches and products as the 533. So in the end I was able to use the information in this great forum and many of your comments to help come up with exactly what I needed. Thanks to all and especially to Dwight and no I don't want my check back! Mac
Tim, enjoy your Newells and catch 'em up ;D
great build! that reel is all business, no bling, just solid. I have a similar reel, but 5.5, just don't have the sleeve upgrade or torium handle, which IS a great choice, which I may go to, as I had another 533 with that and liked it a lot. I did get a couple stainless stars from Adam, but have not installed it yet.
Vilters,
What else is going on in your pic? Penn, Newell etc? They all look sweet to my eye.
Mac
Tim
Those are all Newells.
Now for the rest of your project. The Shimano handle arrived today for the P338 and just got it installed. The rest of the reel was done last week.
We started with a P 338J which also had a top crossbar to remove. It had an original 4 stack drag but Tim wanted a SS sleeve and it would not fit over the old cone on the bridge plate. I had a New P332 and removed the new system and installed it in the 338 and then installed the new SS Sleeve from Ulua Junkies, I also installed Bryan's 5 stack drag system, .031 delrin under the gear and .020 on top of the stack and under the Belleville washer that I dressed the same as on the 533 at the beginning of this thread. On the outside I used the small wavy washers between the 2.5" SS star from Adam and the 3-18 and on this one it will go to zero drag. The 3-16 is a thicker one from Keta to prevent bending when the handle nut is tightened. On this handle I modified the short opening which balances better on the 300 series and will enable faster cranking. Just holding the spool and testing the drag it is just as smooth as my personal 338 and ramps nicely. With all of the new parts and the offset handle it really feels nice and solid. Total weight of this one is 22oz. I would like to point out that when attaching the SS rings to the Tiburon frame I did you all 8 fillister head screws by design by doing this the two body screws carry a certain load and the threaded insert at the top of the ring gives the reel another solid support which locks the side plate to a SS ring that is locked to the frame.
The bearings in this reel are also the Abec 5SS and soaked in TSI321. All screws and mating surfaces are lubricated in the build.
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O yea, those will catch ;).
Looking good Dwight. I love that those reels have parts from all aroundbthe country, even Hawaii. BTW have you seen the new SS clickers and new style stars from UluaJunkies as well?
Nice work!
John
I don't think the Aluminum stars will last long. They need a SS hub like Newell made them. Alum plus SS sleeve plus saltwater and they would die a nasty death.
Other parts look good.
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 08, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
John
I don't think the Aluminum stars will last long. They need a SS hub like Newell made them. Alum plus SS sleeve plus saltwater and they would die a nasty death.
Other parts look good.
They are pretty, and light, but I agree may be prone to corrosion/and or damage to the threads.
So my journey is almost done. I am so stoked and I feel like a kid at Christmas! The work, thought and persistence that Dwight put into these builds never failed to amaze me. He is a perfectionist and the quality of his work is further confirmed by forum member comments. To have sourced a new in box 533 and a mint, mint 338 without him would have been problematic for me. I have no concern that these reels are all that they can be. These are the "weapons" that I will take to the Dry Tortugas and the Pulley Ridge area that lie 60-100 miles due west of Key West.
I am very thankful that I was able to find this great forum and figure out a way to use the information contained within. And lastly, to have found a friend in Dwight!
Thanks guys.
Mac (Tim)
Mac
Are you going with the Yankee Capt.? Good boat & great Capt. we miss him up North. I read his posts on another site.
Mike
Mike,
Yes, it's the Yankee Captain. Greg is as good as it gets and he is always looking for ways to find more territory to fish. Looking forward to early Retirement!
Mac
Good Luck on the trip. My boss Elli told me that I could not sell any more of my Newells so the stash is closed. ;)
Insanely great work Dwight, not only great with rods but making works of art with reels. Been looking into getting a 322, might just have to get you to build it up for me!
A 322 would be real sweet on a rod like you just got or maybe just a little softer tip to really zip some light baits. My buddy that fishes for tarpon uses the RCLB XL and has had them double the rod up under his boat with locked down drag on his spinner and has not broken one. Lots of backbone in those blanks.
I two technical advantages to me is slightly better casting if you use your conventional for casting. A little less thumbing of the spool. Other people may have better answers as to why they like narrow or wide. I like my 322 for casting a cobia jig. I also use a 533NK when flat lining for kings. Do I feel strongly enough to sell you on the idea? NO, it is what ever floats your boat.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on May 09, 2015, 12:56:27 AM
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 08, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
John
I don't think the Aluminum stars will last long. They need a SS hub like Newell made them. Alum plus SS sleeve plus saltwater and they would die a nasty death.
Other parts look good.
They are pretty, and light, but I agree may be prone to corrosion/and or damage to the threads.
No, not may, the threads will definitely get stripped, I've seen them. The aluminum star is a senseless design.
Good job on that reel buddy.
Not only do more narrow spools aid in casting and make it easier to thumb the line on a spool but also can play a role in fishing live bait. Here in So Cal we are a huge live bait fishery and most of the time that means flylinning those live baits (fishing them with very little or no weight). The more lively and fresh a bait is when it reaches the zone where the fish are holding the better the chance of it getting picked up by a fish. With a lighter spool the stronger a bait will be and for a longer time. That is another reason why free spool is so important to us left coast fishermen, not just for casting but also to keep the hooked bait fresh and strong as long as possible. The increased weight, which equals more drag on the bait, of a standard or wide spool may seem very little where the line is coming off the reel but that little increase will exponentially rise over distance.
An example of this increase which I'm sure most people will understand is using a hose to water your yard. Say you have to go around a corner or the hose is rubbing something as you pull it out. When your close to where the hose is rubbing it is sill pretty easy to pull it past that object but the further you get away from where the hose is rubbing the harder it gets to pull it out. Even though the drag increase seemed very little close to the object where the hose is rubbing the further you get away from it the increased drag grows and grows.
x2 to what SCA states. It's very important in socal live bait fishing to have that great freespool, especially on long soaks which is typical for bft fishing. The liveliness of the bait as well as presentation are everything. Another reason I fish narrow reels is because of balance. It's much easier for me to grind away on a reel with a tight drag that's not torquing. Wider reels can be a pain for me to grind on. You can be fighting the reel torque more than the fish. That's my 2 cents...ymmv. :)
Some of the comments around casting got me to thinking. One of the approaches used on the Yankee Captain is to get your bait as far away from others as possible. I choose the Newell because I thought it would facilitate my throwing the bait far enough away from the crowds and increase my chances on finding that one prized isolated loner cruising about. Can anyone provide any basic details on the variables of throwing a bait from a Newell reel? Do I need thumb protection of any sort. Can I just fling it underhanded, sidearmed etc?
This one question can have major impact on finding the pool winner so it is real important to me. What do you guys say?
I figure most of the forum members that participate in this specific section not only know the reels mechanical
workings but also know it from a user perspective. I can't think of a better place to ask a question about a Newell then here!
Mac
If you were here I could teach you and then you have to practice. My buddy Larry that I taught is casting great now but it takes some work. You do need the right kick from the rod and that is why I recommended a softer one for your 300. The Calstars will work nice. You need to learn to use the rod and not force the cast. You have to feel the equipment and learn the thumb action. The first time you get excited and force a cast you have a big bird nest. Kind of like driving a stick shift. Takes coordination.
I figured this was one of those things that just takes practice. Your comment about the importance of using the action of the rod to help reach out and touch someone makes great sense. When I have some time, I'll take both reels to the football field when no ones there and try some casting. If you don't hear from me again you'll know I killed myself while trying to sling 8 or 10 oz leads! LOL
Mac
Quote from: Mac53 on May 23, 2015, 12:12:39 PM
Can anyone provide any basic details on the variables of throwing a bait from a Newell reel? Do I need thumb protection of any sort. Can I just fling it underhanded, sidearmed etc?
This one question can have major impact on finding the pool winner so it is real important to me. What do you guys say?
I can only answer that question from a west coast perspective. Live bait fishing using primarily sardines and anchovy's (with little or no lead) either on the anchor or drifting while fishing for pelagics is the main type of fishing I do. For drift fishing after a jig stop or finding a meter mark, I mainly underhand cast the dine or chovy. If on the anchor at a high spot or at an island, I overhand cast for the most part. These are general rules and can change by the minute. ;D If possible, I underhand cast as much as possible since it does less harm to the bait.
As far as needing thumb protection, I use aluminum spools and mono...no protection needed. I do recall using flex tape while overhand casting with a graphite spool. Now, if I was using a jig stick for throwing the iron (surface or yoyo), I'd have some flex tape on my thumb. The yoyo irons generally weigh 4-7 ounces, surface iron jigs and dines less; the chovy's even less. Letting the rod wing the bait out while having an "intelligent" thumb is the way to go IMHO. Because I can quickly go from throwing bait to throwing iron, I always have that flex tape on my thumb...ymmv.
If practicing at a park, I used to use a clothes pin to simulate chovy's and maybe a plastic bait (sans hook) to simulate a dine. Make sure your line is wet before casting...bring a water spray bottle. Just my .02.
Best to go to a public dock that is about 10-12 feet above the water which is similar to a big party boat. Rig up something similar to what you will cast while fishing and practice the underhand cast. It takes a while to get the feel of the rod kick or recoil which flings the weight out and gets the spool spinning. Cast too hard and you get a lot of overspin and a mess on the spool. Patience is needed.
Lots of good advice! Concerning the lead weight used in the Tortugas, as it is everywhere, current is the main force driving how much weight is needed. Depending on that speed you might need anywhere from 4 to 10 ounces or more to hold bottom. Once you start to get past 8 ounces the casting for distance is pretty much done. Anything past 10 makes any bottom fishing very tough.
Mac
I am planing on fishing a seldom, if ever fished, area of the Gulf of Mexico called Pully Ridge. The Captain has discovered shoal waters with abundant marine life in 200-400 feet. Long drifts over productive bottom and deep jigging will offer great opportunities for anglers to play with all species of fire truck Groupers, Mutton Snapper and Tuna. We have been requested to spool up with 50 lb braid and a 30 foot top shot of 50 lb mono.
Which of the two reels in this thread would you use? I was almost ready to go with the 338 but the stopping power of double dogs and the strength of the 533 gears has me re-thinking. What say you?
That 338 will surprise you. The 533 would be first choice on the bottom but anything suspended in the water I would be using the 338.
Thanks Dwight, you confirmed my thought.
Mac
I loaded up the narrowed 533 with 50 lb Cortland braid and I couldn't believe that it took 400 yards with a 30 foot 50 lb. mono Tippett. The non-narrowed 533 took 550 yards of the same braid and Tippett. We'll be fishing in 200 to 500 feet so my concerns about capacity are history. More to come!
Mac
These reels on Jon's rods are absolutely killer combos. Looking forward to some great pics of the trip.
Just curious what were the steps you did to modify the Torium handle to get it to fit the Newell sleeve?
Two choices. When they have them in stock you buy it modified from uluajunkies.com
You can also buy the torium 50 handle and it can be modified with a couple of small files(1 round and 1 flat mini). If you buy the torium 30 handle then you need a good dremel to work on it. Not difficult but need to take your time so as not to get it sloppy. Needs to be a snug fit over the gear sleeve.
It cuts easy since it is a chrome plated brass but it is very sturdy and the offset feels nice.
Just a comment re - Tib conversion kit, 1. They used the dimensions for the skinny kit from one of the sample reels I took to them, 2. They elected to make the skinny (1 5/8") kit then for some unexplained reason elected to make a standard width kit instead of the 2" sample. Beats the hell out of me, but that was their business decision. 3. They made the spools twice as heavy (or more) than Newell spools, and when asked Rich Duncun only said he was concerned about spool failure. 4. Why they elected to to go to a 10/32 clamp screw instead of the standard 8/32 that Newell had used in all the reels (minor change, but irritating nonetheless)
I'll make a comment on the ss bridge sleeve that has been made available. Many years ago Carl decided to one up Penn by producing his reels with a 4 drag system over the then standard 3 drag that many Penn reels used. Problem with heat showed up caused by the ss main gear spinning around the ss bridge sleeve to the point smoke would come out by the jack handle. By the end of the P series production they had already converted over to the 3 stack drag with an alloy bridge sleeve that didn't generate all that friction. He even installed a bronze ring in the main gears to dissipate the heat near the end of the 4 drag models.
Very good points and almost a carbon copy of the history lesson that I got from Gregg Chow a few years ago. Big long running tuna may be a problem for smoking a drag but for my fishing I rarely get more than a few feet run off since I use heavy drag pressure for reef fish. Sticking with Tom's precision cut SS sleeves for my reels.
As far as Rich goes, well he does strange things at times that lack logic in my opinion. Sure would have been nice if all the full circular Newell frames had eliminated the inner SS ring.
"a gun to a gunfight" getting smoked... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb0tgmvSx5E
i'm 99.99% the sleeve is not SS. i'd rather have SS sleeve when i get smoked, if i get smoked. :D 8)
awesome reel Dwight,
do you know if a stock 540 can be converted to a 533 width?
"All" you'd need are narrower bars, base and spool.
Quote from: MarkT on November 22, 2016, 06:58:58 PM
"All" you'd need are narrower bars, base and spool.
well, LOL yep I suposed that, but that can be made with stock narrowed bars, base and spool from another newell model or its have to be made with a tiburon kit?
You can make it any width you want with a few parts. Base, bars and spool of choice.