A buddy saw the 4/0 build I did and wants me to do his 112H2H. I couldn't find this specific model in a forum search. If it's worth the upgrades, I have a budget of 150.00 for parts.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
With a 150 budget. I would go with a tib frame, BP ss gears, ss gear sleeve, and ss dog. Might as well go for the ss yoke and jack
Here's a pic of mine. If I remember correctly it has all ss guts except for the bridge.
stainless steel gear sleeve and a jigmaster power handle at most. don't dump alot of money into this reel. :-\
Alan, forgive my lack of knowledge, but what makes this reel undesirable for a big upgrade job? The number of Senator variations is mind boggling.
I really enjoyed the 4/0 build, but I have a lot to learn about Senators and when to build and when to pass one by.
Thanks for your patience.
Patrick
For $150.. I'd put the following in her..
-new bearings (if needed) ($18)
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/55-116.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/55-116.aspx)
-SS gear sleeve ($48)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13041.0
-SS Dog ($5)
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/15-114HSS.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/15-114HSS.aspx)
-Alan Tani arm ($10)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12786.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12786.0)
-and Handle ($33)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12785.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12785.0)
-Brian's 6+1 drag stack, ($37)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12788.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12788.0)
-or a versa drag inserts kit (should be available very soon)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16459.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16459.0)
-Delron undergear washer ($2)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15231.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15231.0)
-Maybe a graphite-ringed rod clamp (if needed) ($12)
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/33C-114H2.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/33C-114H2.aspx)
~$165 total +/- $20
Or just service the reel, and fish it.
John
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
John,
Thanks for the links. I'm going to pass along the info to the owner and see what he decides to do. In fairness, I think I'll tell him that for 150, a Penn Fathom 25 appears to be a lot of reel out of the box. A drag and sleeve upgrade would probably make a world of difference.
Patrick
Tightlines the man is talking about a 112H 3/0 not a 113H 4/0. As Alan said ss gear sleeve, ss dog, AT or Adams power handle, AT knob. That's all under $100 & saves him $50 for bait.
Quote from: spc7669 on July 04, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
John,
Thanks for the links. I'm going to pass along the info to the owner and see what he decides to do. In fairness, I think I'll tell him that for 150, a Penn Fathom 25 appears to be a lot of reel out of the box. A drag and sleeve upgrade would probably make a world of difference.
Patrick
No problem. Alan and you b9th have good points. For the m9ney.. sell the reel and spend the money on a fathom.
BTW.. I like your avatar :)
Quote from: RowdyW on July 04, 2016, 01:48:27 AM
Tightlines the man is talking about a 112H 3/0 not a 113H 4/0. As Alan said ss gear sleeve, ss dog, AT or Adams power handle, AT knob. That's all under $100 & saves him $50 for bait.
Oops. :)
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Guess I should have read the title again.. lol
Quote from: Tightlines666 on July 04, 2016, 01:49:44 AM
Quote from: spc7669 on July 04, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
John,
Thanks for the links. I'm going to pass along the info to the owner and see what he decides to do. In fairness, I think I'll tell him that for 150, a Penn Fathom 25 appears to be a lot of reel out of the box. A drag and sleeve upgrade would probably make a world of difference.
Patrick
No problem. Alan and you b9th have good points. For the m9ney.. sell the reel and spend the money on a fathom.
BTW.. I like your avatar :)
Thank you. Biggest barracuda on fly. Caught it in Belize. One of the best fights I've ever had on a long rod.
if money is not an option, go for it! i just always worry about the guys that are on a limited budget.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7535.0
I really like this reel. I think the 4.8:1 SS gears are worth it. Especially with a drag upgrade, the 4:1 isn't slow enough for winching and I can't get a knife jig to work right at that speed either.
Ron
Going further into the backstory....
This guy is my truck mechanic, an avid fisherman, and gear head. I think he sees the mechanical potential in these old reels just like we do. I think having a custom reel is very appealing to a guy like him BUT he likes to fish for sharks, nearshore, from a 20' boat. I've been reading on here for the last 4 hours and just don't think this is the right reel to hot rod for the job. For a little more dough, a Fathom or Okuma Andros single speed is better out of the box as I can build this one. If it was a 113 or 114H, I think I could make him really happy with a 150 dollar budget.
Heck, he's buying a an Okuma Solterra 20 from me, and if you've ever cracked one of those open, it's a whole lotta reel for the money.
I hate to turn it away because it would have been a fun project, but it's probably the right thing to do. Thank you all for the feedback.
The 112H is the smallest of the high speeds Pat. I don't think it has the groceries for Sharks.
A Bone stock 114H or a 9/0 can be had for a Benjamin and will fit that bill.
I would still consider installing a good handle, SS sleeve, new drag stack if needed, and a complete service with proper greases.
Then it would be ready to go -- and a spare back up to boot.
Might find a good, used handle also.
Make sure the handle is snug -- and the nut tight.
Then just fish it as needed -- these are good little reels -- may not handle a large shark -- but will catch a lot of fish very capably.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred, that's what I'm going to recommend.
Quote from: garking84 on July 04, 2016, 01:18:01 AM
Here's a pic of mine. If I remember correctly it has all ss guts except for the bridge.
nice handle, where did you get that handle and knob?
nice handle, where did you get that handle and knob?
Thanks, i got it from Chowder puff on ebay. He has many different colors
Sharks are a lot for this reel. A fully built Blue Fin Special would probably be a good fit for medium sized sharks from a boat (I've caught 4ft makos with Mitchel 300s,) but it is hard to tell the shark that is to big to not bite your hook! If he sold that reel he could find a 113H for close to the money he got out of the 112H and then put some money into the 4/0 and be ready to roll.
Ron
Ron, I agree totally. The 113H could be made into a very capable medium shark reel. A 4/0 and 9/0 pair would cover a huge range of fishing.
Patrick
One of the guides here recommends a reel that holds 300 yds of line and can sustain 15 lbs of drag as adequate for the sharks here. Most you see are blacktips, lemon sharks, etc under 5-6 feet. Its really only offshore that Ive seen bigger stuff, mainly tigers in the 6-10 ft range.
Shane (customer) fishes off the Georgia coast. There are a lot of sharks and some big ones. For 90% of them, the 4/0 would rock it. A 9/0 would handle most everything else. Over that reel size, unless you are land based, you're skull dragging all those 5-6 footers in, which is not much fun to me.
I actually think this the Solterra 20 I'm selling him will be a good reel for what he does. If he likes it, they can be had for a song gently used.
I hope he sells me this 3/0 if he digs the Solterra. I'll hot rod it to death just for fun. No idea what I'll do with it after, but there are some hard core catfish guys here that a tricked out 3/0 might suit just fine.
Yep...that cat crew like 3/0s and 4/0s.
Here's the end of the story, and it's pretty good.....
I passed along all the information here to the customer. He took your advice. Boy did he ever.
He met me close by to give me the 3/0 for a scrub. Had me pull out my iPad, and pull up the Okuma Solterra. He commenced to order two 50W's. If one is looking to move up in size and power from a 3/0, that'll do it.
So I took the 3/0 home. Already noticed it had an aluminum spool and was very clean.
I got into it and it was super clean inside with a pristine 3 stack of carbon fiber washers. I cleaned and greased it and zipped it back up.
I know the boss says to cover the bridge screws with your fingers, flip it, and install the bridge. I'm too clumsy. Athletic tape works better than my 10 thumbs.
Thank you all again for your help and advice.
Patrick
Glad it all worked out. Have fun with that 3/0.
Ron
With a limited budget, I would go on the "selling/buying website" and get a Daiwa 300h in decent shape.
Upgrade with new ht 100 drag washers and call it a day. It has a 1 piece frame, is a powerhouse reel and new drags will probably cost under 100 bucks.
The 112h is a great reel but save it for when you have the money for all the upgrades. Tib frame or half frame (less money), gear sleeve and get an old steel main gear (old steel jigmaster gear too).
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Quote from: spc7669 on July 04, 2016, 07:40:12 PMFor 90% of them, the 4/0 would rock it. A 9/0 would handle most everything else. Over that reel size, unless you are land based, you're skull dragging all those 5-6 footers in, which is not much fun to me.
Go 4/0 & 9/0 and don't look back. Upgrade as you have the bucks to throw at
them. Put 'em in your will cause they'll outlast you.
Skull dragging! Yep, they play out pretty quick sometimes.