I gifted my mildly upgraded 114h to my navy buddy that just got married as I haven't fished it for two seasons now. Then started having the feel bads of getting rid of my only 114. ;) So I bought two that were labeled as parts reels but working. I got lucky that both had steel mains and the bearings were actually silky smooth after a good soak. Now I've installed stainless sleeves on 7 different reels and never had too much of an issue with removing a pin. I'll tell you I soaked and beat that thing, walked away beat it some more bent my punch then broke out the cutting wheel.
Even after cutting along the pin I had to pry what was left out with a screwdriver!
this is another one that i would have torched!
I have one or two in my scrap pile that just wouldn't come lose. Well, the post on the plate did, but not the sleeve.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 22, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
I have one or two in my scrap pile that just wouldn't come lose. Well, the post on the plate did, but not the sleeve.
Sal
I was almost there! I used a framing square to circle around the post to make sure I didn't bend it afterwards.
Quote from: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:54:17 AM
this is another one that i would have torched!
I heated and froze this thing two different times! I think I literally invested nearly 6 hours of time before I decided it wasn't worth anymore time! What baffles me is that I can see the concoction of oils and fluids I used still sitting in there to no avail. And like Sal said I beat that thing so much I thought for sure I had bent the post even in a vise!
wow. 20 seconds with the blue tip of a propane torch is supposed to do the trick. :-\
Quote from: alantani on July 22, 2018, 12:08:20 PM
wow. 20 seconds with the blue tip of a propane torch is supposed to do the trick. :-\
I have used a torch on a stubborn one before and it did work with a quickness. This was a different beast Alan. My orthopedic surgeon would have had a heart attack watching me resort to beating the punch with a 24oz framing hammer. ;D
This is why I always mention the sleeve should have a little up and down play, but some here like it nice and snug ::).
Let me know if you need a stock sleeve or bridge, I should have one laying around.
Thanks for the offer Sal but I had two extra stock sleeves and the bridge is fine. It's eventually getting a stainless put on anyhow. I don't mind a little play in the sleeve and really think it's hardly noticeable.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 22, 2018, 12:57:47 PM
This is why I always mention the sleeve should have a little up and down play, but some here like it nice and snug ::).
Out of curiosity, wouldn't shimming that tiny play just force the pin against the post constantly? Would this not cause premature wear on the post and pin? I like my gear sleeves to spin as freely as possible wouldn't that pin riding on the post cause a little restriction and friction? ;)
I would try putting the other sleeves on to see if the "pin notch" on the post is going to be a future issue. I'm lucky that I haven't had to do more than smack a punch with a ball pin to remove one.
Quote from: Indyfisher on July 22, 2018, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 22, 2018, 12:57:47 PM
This is why I always mention the sleeve should have a little up and down play, but some here like it nice and snug ::).
Out of curiosity, wouldn't shimming that tiny play just force the pin against the post constantly? Would this not cause premature wear on the post and pin? I like my gear sleeves to spin as freely as possible wouldn't that pin riding on the post cause a little restriction and friction? ;)
Probably. I read in another thread, there might need to be some play in the vertical movement of the gear sleeve due to heat expansion(hopefully from the friction of fighting a big grouper or tuna). I'm onea those that are bothered a bit by that sloppy feel though.
I've already installed a sleeve and found no issues as of yet. The sleeve I cut off actually had the small play that Sal was discussing. There's no damage to the post and reassembled perfectly. I've never had one stuck that bad and I'm still looking over the sleeve and pin I cut to try and find a reason why.
Sometimes you will run into a SS gear sleeve that has either a slightly tapered hole or pin. Then just try turning the pin around or try the hole on the opposite side. I found this to be true with PC (Black Pearl) gear sleeves. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on July 22, 2018, 03:50:17 PM
Sometimes you will run into a SS gear sleeve that has either a slightly tapered hole or pin. Then just try turning the pin around or try the hole on the opposite side. I found this to be true with PC (Black Pearl) gear sleeves. Rudy
Rudy I've encountered this on a few sleeves and pins. This was a stock bridge and sleeve that the pin would not come out of. I've just never had an issue this troublesome with removing or installing a stainless or stock sleeve ever and not being able to find the problem is what's bothering me the most.
Quote from: Indyfisher on July 22, 2018, 03:40:06 PM
The sleeve I cut off actually had the small play that Sal was discussing.
I'm a bit confused here...if the sleeve had some play then the stuck pin was stuck from the pin hole being tight...not from binding on the bridge post...correct?
Pro challenger pins are purposely made that way, you will not be able to install it ,unless you place the tapered end in.
Correct Mo. There was no binding issue just the pin unbelievable stuck in hole.
A drill might have saved you lots of headaches, I thought the sleeve was frozen.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 22, 2018, 04:17:16 PM
Pro challenger pins are purposely made that way, you will not be able to install it allows you please tapered tip in.
You are correct Sal. And most pins that have been in a reel are dome shaped on one end so it's not really an issue if you're paying attention.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 22, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
A drill might have saved you lots of headaches, I thought the sleeve was frozen.
Broke a bit drilling at it, without a drill press it was wobbling enough that it was scarring the sides of the hole that's when I just cut it.
Sorry for any confusion I caused. That's why I am just as confused, just trying to troubleshoot and understand what the root cause was. Fat pin in a tiny hole? ???
Quote from: Indyfisher on July 22, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
Sorry for any confusion I caused. That's why I am just as confused, just trying to troubleshoot and understand what the root cause was. Fat pin in a tiny hole? ???
No need to be sorry Indy...these things happen. And yes, sounds like a case of fat pin/tiny hole. 8)
It was probably a very corroded pin in a tight hole that expanded & distorted when you pounded on it with the hardened punch & big hammer even before you tried to apply the heat to it. At least you saved the bridge, that can't be bought separetly like a gear sleeve can.
The framing hammer and cutting wheel was the end of the 6 hour battle. I always use a small ball-peen hammer to start. Then lube soak if that doesn't work. Then heat. Then heat to freeze. Next time I'll start with a two ton hydraulic press and skip all the simple stuff. ;)
I wonder if the previous owner lost the original pin and substituted something for it. Not going to say I have never seen that in other things. Some people like to use drill bits to replace lost rifle pins, they can be headaches to replace.
I've found some sleeves it would only tap out in one direction.