Was procrastinating with a severely neglected 180, which has been sitting in a box for some time.
Sorry I didn't take a Pre strip down photo, But it took me near a week soaking it just to get side plate screws out, the spool was stuck in the head plate.
It had obviously sat for some time.
What caught my eye when I was going thru the box, was the handle. I only have 2 others similar, a 38 Silverbeach with a black handle and a long beach Duval red handled one. I really luv these types of handles. all the other Pre war reels I have, don't have this type of handle.
How long was this type handle used for ?
Could I then conclude this would be a 38 first year 180, it does have the tell tale pre war coin edge on the counter weight and free spool lever.
It doesn't really worry me so much about whether the 180 is a 38 first year, just really wanted to find out more about these types of handles.
The photo doesn't really show up the colour, which is a deep green,,, half way thru soaking the handle in a saucer of vinegar and water.....
Col
P.S DOH, posted this then realised there was a specific thread for handles !!!
If someone can re'post it there for me, that would be great.
Hi Col,
according to Mike's book that style handle was used on the 180 in '39 and '40 only...with '39 being the first year for the 180. 8)
Hey Mo,
Well, I can't even read Mikes book properly !
Opened it up and swore I read 38 was when they were introduced, you are 100% correct, it was 39.
Couldn't find any reference to the actual handle, as you did, I think it's time I seriously start wearing those looking glasses for reading !
Mo, out of all my handles on Penn's that I have collected, these ones just pop out, something about them.
This 180, will not be a show pony by the time I clean her up, but the handle should make up for the heavy patina'd look.
Thanks Mo
Col
I got that info from the green book Col. I have all three books, and recommend all three. Here's a pic of that page from the green book.
The wood knob this shape is very common.....what is uncommon is the oil port and the color. It's screams late 30's all day every day !!
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 24, 2019, 05:01:12 PM
The wood knob this shape is very common.....what is uncommon is the oil port and the color. It's screams late 30's all day every day !!
Ted
Thanks Ted, Yes, I have plenty of the other style, but when one of these pop up I take note.
Quote from: mo65 on April 24, 2019, 02:41:39 PM
I got that info from the green book Col. I have all three books, and recommend all three. Here's a pic of that page from the green book.
Hi Mo, Ahh, That's why I didn't see this, I have the blue and the yellow books, not the green.
Thanks for posting it up.
Cheers
Col
Hi Guys,
I had trouble removing the spool from the head plate when disassembling, I sort of figured out why now,
I've had it soaking for a few days, but am unable to free the pinion from the spool.
Any Idea's gratefully accepted.
Col
I'd soak it in a penetrating oil for a bit, then use the 2 screwdriver trick. I can't find the thread, but you use 2 small flat head screwdrivers. put one on each side in the small gap between the shoulder and the pinion. Then simply twist both of the screwdrivers at the same time, in the same direction. This will create a straight up force from the bottom of the pinion without putting any side to side pressure on the shaft. If you don't have a way to keep the spool, it'll be a bit more difficult. If you have a vise, use some cardboard or a rag to protect the shaft and hold it in the vise. Otherwise, a pair of vise grips works pretty well.
Mike
Hi Mike, thanks for your reply,
Yes I search the forum and found a post by AT on using that trick. Tried it without the vice and didn't work, so it's soaking again for a few days
Then I'll take it to the factory and clamp the spool carefully between two pieces of wood and try again. I have means there of applying some heat there as well.
It really is well and truly corroded in there and was starting to test my patience !!
So into some more penetrating oil it goes.
Thanks Mike
Col
Hi Col —
Not trying to change your removal process, too much.
But looking ahead, the question to be answered — might be...OK, the gear is off, and cleaned up as best as can be for an old rusted pinion — how will it operate on the reel?
Likely much better — but never perfect.
So, if you want — just get the rusted pinion off however you can by cutting open the side carefully with a Dremel cutting disc — then a pair of pliers or vice grips to just pinch off what is left.
Clean up the spool shaft really well — and install a new pinion.
I can send out a new one (old stock 13-155), if you wish — it could go in Monday's Mail.
N/C.
Best,
Fred
Hi Fred,
Thank you for your kind offer. This reel is a very early one (39) and will just sit on the shelf, so my end aim is to clean it up as best as possible
kill all the corrosion and re assemble, get it working as best as possible and put on the shelf.
But that was a very generous offer all the same Fred and was I to fish with this reel, I would jump at your offer.
I managed to have another go at removing it, with the 2 screw driver method, and actually managed to get it moved about a 1/4 of an inch up, then, it simply wouldn't slide up any more. So its back into some more penetrating oil for another soak until I get to the workshop with a vice.
I've been very lucky with the Pre war reels I have obtained so far, all of them were relatively corrosion free inside and have only needed a clean up and re grease, so I have been learning practically on the run with each reel strip down, I can even almost name most parts now ;D , so this has been my first real hiccup.
Thanks again for your kind offer all the same Fred.
regards
Col
After the soaking try hitting it the pinion only with some heat - I use one of the little micro torches (chef type). Heat can sometimes free things when all else fails.
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on April 27, 2019, 08:24:01 AM
After the soaking try hitting it the pinion only with some heat - I use one of the little micro torches (chef type). Heat can sometimes free things when all else fails.
Yes, exactly what I was going to attempt.
I'll prop it in a vice appropriately, give it a slight touch up with some heat and i have a couple of larger bladed slotted screw drivers at the factory I shall carefully try and ease the pinion up.
THIS LITTLE PRE WAR 180, WILL NOT BEAT ME
Worse case scenario, i shall have a nice late 30's green handle for the for sale section !!!!
;D
Col
I understand and respect your process, Col —
If you end up needing this pinion after all — the offer is always open.
Best,
Fred
Col, it is always nice being able to repair a reel, but at times it is better to step away and this might be the case here. If you keep fighting it you might ruin the spool shaft as well.
I'm going to recommend you get a nice size vise grip and snap that pinion in two.
Fred or anyone else here could send you a replacement, yes me included.
Best,
Sal
My mother always told me I should listen more often ;D
Yes, I agree, That pinion is sure stuck so well, I probably would end up ruining the spool in the end, thank you Sal.
With my shelfies, I have been just cleaning them all up, not worrying about replacing drags or the like. But this 180, even the under gear washer was just a crumbling mess and the old drags came out in pieces.
So I will cut this old pinion off, and even tho I wont be ever using it, I'll put a new under gear washer and drag system in her, along with a new pinion and at least give this old charmer a new breath of life as it deserves.
It must have have been fished hard and then stored, and just left to corrode up for quite some time, shame really.
I have a few other different projects I'm doing along with these reels, where a dremel would come in so useful, been meaning to get one for some time. I like Fred's idea of using it to cut into the pinion, then with vice grips, to remove it.
Thank you Gentlemen, I have heard you loud and clear.....
Col
This is my favorite size Penn. You might be surprised if you do decide to fish it. It is small enough to be fished anywhere.
Ron Jones
Hi Ron, Yes, I too luv these smaller reels as well.
I wont fish with this particular one, as it looks like a first "ish" year, and it's got that special reel handle that I would hate to wreck.
BUT, I'm currently beefing up one of my 113h's which I'm waiting for the double dog and S/S sleeve to arrive, I will trick up one more 113h and then do a 114h, which will cover me for heavier fishing.
Then, I want to trick up some Penn smaller reels, with the aim to solely fish with them in our two local bays out of the boat. I'm starting with a Squidder, which I have ordered a Tiburon frame from Randy, then I will try and pick 3 or 4 other smaller Penn's, not needing to go to extreme lengths in tricking them out, for all my other fishing needs. I previously fished with 5000 Shimano Stradics, which I find to be a nice small egg beater that performs well and can handle anything the bay can throw at them. I occasionally fish with a bloke, that fair gives it to me when I use the senators, he for the life of him, recons I'm fishing in the archives, ( but they have never let me down), So tricking up some smaller Penn's, could quite possibly send this bloke over the edge ! He ONLY uses Stella's, and now has every size they ever made, I think there a great reel, albeit far to expensive, but because it fair irate's him, I feel the need to go the whole hog !. A 180 is on my list.
Col