New guy here. Hopefully posting in the proper place.
Off season for me so I'm going through some of my reels.
I went through 2 of my Stradic 3000fj reels. These are my favorite go to reels. I'm comfortable tearing down and reassembling these reels (thanks to this site) so I completely took them apart total clean re lube and grease. All original bearings still.
They seem to work properly and smooth but I'm getting noise from both of them. It's not crazy but hoping I could have them running a little better. It's like a dry sound whirring sound. Like something needs lube. Tried tearing down a couple more times and even over lubed one it won't go away.
Trying to take parts out and find where it comes fromand it seems like it's the worm shaft area on them both and not a bearing. What would cause a dry sound in this area? Everything is lubed. Light grease on the worm gear. I did not take the pawl thingy apart but did put a drop of oil there and it seems good. Anyone here have a lot of experience with these reels have an idea? Bushings for the worm gear are lubed.
Tempted to throw all new bearings at them but don't really want to drop the money in it if not needed. Maybe try just the top pinion bearing. They spin good I think but this is the only other thing I suspect. ill probablly fish them as they are unless someone has an idea I should try.
Thanks for any help.
Welcome, Mkling --
If, after your disassemble, cleaning, reassemble, lube & tune -- a hollow sound to me would indicate bearings.
Might try one set -- see if that works -- you will either be closer to the problem solution -- or maybe cured it.
Either way -- you will know for sure.
You are likely using good Marine grease possibly mixed in with some 321?
I drop my bearings in 321 after removing the shields -- let it soak for awhile -- remove, add Yamaha Marine grease -- and if that doesn't cure it - bearings are necessary.
IMO.
Best,
Fred
Maybe I need to go back through them and open up all the bearings. They felt ok so I put a drop of oil outside the shields is all. I opened one bearing that I thought possibly wasn't running good. Pulled shields off and sprayed it out with CLP break free. Then used a drop of reel butter bearing oil on each side. It didn't appear to be packed with any grease when I opened it, just some oil so I wasn't sure what to do. It felt good after doing this.
I'll do some reading here on opening cleaning and relubing the bearings. Maybe try this before buying a new set.
This type of bearing should be packed with a marine grease? Like same stuff You would use on boat trailer wheel bearings?
thanks for the help.
Yamaha Marine Grease is is one of the better quality reel greases, especially in salt water. Penn blue is good, too. Greased bearings in spinners will slow oscillation down a little, but there is nothing that a spinning reel does that requires long free-wheeling oscillation other than impress the person spinning the crank, especially since the bail is open when casting. It may give cranking a little more resistance on an empty retrieve but the advantages of a greased bearing with a fish on more than justifies it's usage. It can also make a big difference in brake & drag functionality if the drag works off the pinion rather than the main shaft/spool.
Gotchya. Looks like I should have read through the lubrication section here earlier. I'm almost out of my ardent reel butter grease so I'll pick up some of the Yamaha marine grease and try it on the bearings.
most times the noise is coming from the bearing on top of the pinion (RD13374). Dimensions 7x14x5mm
The bushing (RD6493) can be replaced with bearing 3x6x2.5mm. Additional same bearing can be placed on the tip of the worm shaft! But don`t forget to shorten the worm bushing (RD12591) by 2.5mm.
Sounds like same with a Stradic i had last week for service. Now running better than new....
Best
Wolli
Thank you Wolli. I like the idea of doing bearings on the worm shaft too. Do you happen to have the dimensions for the other bearings as well? would save me from taking it apart again and measuring them.
I went through the reel last night and cleaned and greased the bearings just like Alan's tutorial shows. Still getting the noise. It's tolerable for fishing but since it's off season, I might keep messing with it and try new bearings. I suspect that top pinion bearing possibly but still seems like it's by the worm gear or idle gear.
Looking around at bearings to purchase- where do you guys recommend for bearings for this thing? I see boca bearings has a set. Kinda pricy but maybe that's the way to go. Vxb is cheap but it doesn't say stainless.
Appreciate all the help.
Its the bearings and 90% of the time its the pinion bearing as stated. I change them as a regular service. The bearing size has been listed. 7x14x5 in those reels and 7x13x4 on the main gear. It will have a 7x11x3 or 7x13x4 on the right side of the main gear.
If it makes noise when fishing its the line roller bearing. 4x7x2.5
..... and last the pinion bottom bearing 6x10x3 mm
The felt drag washers should be replaced with cf washers before they look like....
two 14x21x0.5 mm
one 12x21x05 mm
Bearings or gears. If you replace the gears, replace them as a set, not one at a time.
Quote from: Wolli on January 10, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
..... and last the pinion bottom bearing 6x10x3 mm
The felt drag washers should be replaced with cf washers before they look like....
two 14x21x0.5 mm
one 12x21x05 mm
Does Smooth Drag have these? I just serviced 14 of these nice little spinners and had to put felt back in them. Did 2 3000F reels too and drags are not the same.
Quote from: Mkling on January 09, 2017, 08:29:20 PM
Gotchya. Looks like I should have read through the lubrication section here earlier. I'm almost out of my ardent reel butter grease so I'll pick up some of the Yamaha marine grease and try it on the bearings.
Yeah mate. Don't use marine grease on a reel this small. It will just bog down the gears and moving parts and make the damned thing as stiff as an ironing board even if you thin it down.
Use the genuine Shimano products: ACE2 grease for parts and Permalube for bearings. These greases are much lighter than marine grease and will result in optimal performance for a reel this size.
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Quote from: Keta on January 11, 2017, 12:49:57 AM
Quote from: Wolli on January 10, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
..... and last the pinion bottom bearing 6x10x3 mm
The felt drag washers should be replaced with cf washers before they look like....
two 14x21x0.5 mm
one 12x21x05 mm
Does Smooth Drag have these? I just serviced 14 of these nice little spinners and had to put felt back in them. Did 2 3000F reels too and drags are not the same.
Set #10301 for 3000FJ
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Thank you.
Quote from: Keta on January 11, 2017, 12:49:57 AM
Quote from: Wolli on January 10, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
..... and last the pinion bottom bearing 6x10x3 mm
The felt drag washers should be replaced with cf washers before they look like....
two 14x21x0.5 mm
one 12x21x05 mm
Does Smooth Drag have these? I just serviced 14 of these nice little spinners and had to put felt back in them. Did 2 3000F reels too and drags are not the same.
How is it you ended up with 14 of these to service?
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A Washington State river guide getting his gear serviced during the storms.
I'm going to have to join the crowd and agree with a bad bearing. I think I replace more bearings on stradics than any other reel. Aside from that, they are excellent reels.
I've seen corroded antireverses on Shimanos that make a loud whirring noise too but it's usually pretty loud
I wouldn't even bother trying to save the bearings. Just buy some new ones. They are super cheap.
Quote from: FatTuna on January 11, 2017, 06:43:38 AM
I'm going to have to join the crowd and agree with a bad bearing. I think I replace more bearings on stradics than any other reel. Aside from that, they are excellent reels.
I've seen corroded antireverses on Shimanos that make a loud whirring noise too but it's usually pretty loud
I wouldn't even bother trying to save the bearings. Just buy some new ones. They are super cheap.
Ditto
Quote from: handi2 on January 11, 2017, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: FatTuna on January 11, 2017, 06:43:38 AM
I'm going to have to join the crowd and agree with a bad bearing. I think I replace more bearings on stradics than any other reel. Aside from that, they are excellent reels.
I've seen corroded antireverses on Shimanos that make a loud whirring noise too but it's usually pretty loud
I wouldn't even bother trying to save the bearings. Just buy some new ones. They are super cheap.
Ditto
Yep...
When I get a noisy stradic on my bench, first order of buisness is to order a full set of bearings.
Johj
Thanks to this forum I got all my Stradics working good finally. Thank you everyone for the help.
My guess would also be bearing.... Almost every shimano spinning reel I work on bearings seems to be the problem....
could it be the spool rubing on the rotor, paint both with Yamaha marine grease lightly, give it a few turns, and take the spool of should show were it is scraping, I agree with Brett if you use thick grease in bearings, it will bog it down, even slower in cold weather, new bearings not all that costly. cheers Don. please inform us on how you get on.
Got one FJ3000, popular reels. One thing to definitely oil n' not grease isa line roller bearing. Also if ya fish'em in saltwater gotta check that particular bearing more often than others.
Gfish
Yeah mate. Don't use marine grease on a reel this small. It will just bog down the gears and moving parts and make the damned thing as stiff as an ironing board even if you thin it down.
Use the genuine Shimano products: ACE2 grease for parts and Permalube for bearings. These greases are much lighter than marine grease and will result in optimal performance for a reel this size.
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Are these products available for purchase in the US? It seems grease options from Shimano USA are so limited!
Quote from: lifeofRiley on March 18, 2017, 06:21:49 AM
Are these products available for purchase in the US? It seems grease options from Shimano USA are so limited!
They have it here in Oz so I would expect so. Give them a call.
Ebay might be an alternate source.
Apparently Shimano USA do have it according to their Tackletour Rep.
Otherwise:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-Permalub-Reel-Grease-50-g-RD10050-for-Spin-Baitcast-Troll-Jig-reel-gears-/192116057953 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-Permalub-Reel-Grease-50-g-RD10050-for-Spin-Baitcast-Troll-Jig-reel-gears-/192116057953)
You could probably use this all round.
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