Lately I have ben shopping for a lower gear ration for my inshore Sea Bass fishing. Most expereinced guys around here have Newells. And these things are really old reels. I just don't understand why Penn never made a 3-1 solid lightweight reel. They would capture the entire east coast market. And, even more to the point, I am looking at bait casters for my light custom rod and they are also 7-1 rations. Does anyone make these conversation?
You could always go old-school, like a Penn 1/0 which has 3:1. I believe the Daiwa Lexa is offered in power ratios , but not at 3:1, more like around 4:1.
Worry less about the gear ratio and pay more attention to the inches per crank. A 5:1 gear ratio may be slower than a 3:1 gear ratio if the spool is larger in diameter.
One thing about the oldie slower reels though, is that the pinions are huge compared to today's hyper-speed reels. That's gotta be a good thing.
Please educate me, why would a 3:1 ratio be so sought after on a reel the size of a fathom? I can understand that heavy tuna and marlin rigs have low ratios, but not reels fished with 10 or 20kg line? I have reeled in some pretty big fish on 10 or 20kg line reels with 6:1 ratio gears and never felt like the reel needs to be lower geared. Am I missing something?
Quote from: mrbrklyn on July 16, 2019, 04:19:51 AM
Quote from: nelz on July 13, 2019, 10:47:06 PM
One thing about the oldie slower reels though, is that the pinions are huge compared to today's hyper-speed reels. That's gotta be a good thing.
Why?
Bigger = stronger
For really big fish, the large, stainless pinion is very hard to shred, for the fish you catch I'm not sure it matters. Based on what I know of your fishing, you are happy to buy quality. If you want a slow presentation and power from low gear ratio in a small capacity reel it is really hard to beat a Surfmaster 100. You can find one for almost nothing and then put a Tiburon frame, small thread stainless gear sleeve with oversized star, 5 stack drag and nice power handle on it. 300 yards of 65# braid will fill the spool to the top.
It will be a world class reel for less than a fathom and will be exactly what you need.
Ron Jones
Or a 1/0 Senator. ;D
Quote from: CapeFish on July 16, 2019, 07:40:55 AM
Please educate me, why would a 3:1 ratio be so sought after on a reel the size of a fathom? I can understand that heavy tuna and marlin rigs have low ratios, but not reels fished with 10 or 20kg line? I have reeled in some pretty big fish on 10 or 20kg line reels with 6:1 ratio gears and never felt like the reel needs to be lower geared. Am I missing something?
Personally, I really like slow presentations, especially in shallow water. In deeper water it is a pain to bring up a bait with no fish, shallow water that isn't such a big deal. Slow reels make slow presentations easier, at least to me. There is more to reel speed than just torque to fight the fish.
The Man
Like I said, all told it would be less than a Fathom. I've been casting these things for a long time, technically the Squidder casts better because of the bearings, but depending on the rod I can get 60-80 yards on a regular basis, you'll be fine.
There is all the help in the world you'd need getting this together on here.
The Man
Mrbrklyn, your more than capable of doing this right on your dining room table as long as you have a flathead screwdriver, an alantani wrench, some good penn grease or yamaha grease and a very small amount of a good synthetic oil. Go for it and if you need help there is plenty of knowledge right at your fingertips here in this site. Its all about the fun and what were about here!
Best wishes to you in your quest for your reel.
Jim
If I did this, I wouldn't build it myself. There is no way. It is not one of my talents nor do I have the room or time to put together a workspace.
[/quote]if you need something people here will help,,,,and that's ok,,,,, ;) I don't know why you want lower gears,,,,, :) sometimes it helps,,,, :D how you fish and where your at makes a difference,,,,,, :o but you better catch some fish on it,,,,,,,,,, ;D
I'm certain that there is someone closer that will help, but if you absolutely need someone to put this together, I'd be happy to help.
The Man
Quote from: mrbrklyn on July 17, 2019, 04:10:08 AM
How much would it cost to get one of these antiques hopped up? How would it cast?
Not going to cast like our Torques but not many reels do in this class of reels & have the refined over all smoothness.
I could be wrong but I think youd be very happy with what Ron is suggesting. these old style Tib framed reels took a while to grow on me.
But I'm fed up with buying the newest best stuff every other year or so it seems.
The smaller hopped up Penns that work for lines 20 - 40 I like far better than the same done to a 4/0 & bigger framed Senators.
Fully understand fellas liking them.
But once I'm using 60 line & above I want the newer stuff.
Along with this I find the bigger hot rodded Penns to be a hinderance in reaching my goal. In light of other reels out there now days
This isnt an issue with the smaller hopped up models. This is nothing more than my
thoughts... Jeff
Quote from: mrbrklyn on July 19, 2019, 02:01:46 AM
are we talking the squidder or the torque?
Squidders are 3:1 with dime sized drags. They cast pretty good... the Newell 220/229/235 are basically Squidder 145/145/140 with Jigmaster drags and 5:1 gears although you can get those old Newells with 3.6:1 gears... they're hard to find.
Quote from: mrbrklyn on July 13, 2019, 06:18:30 PMI just don't understand why Penn never made a 3-1 solid lightweight reel.
Penn built low speed reels for decades, today the trend is higher and higher.
A stock 100, 146, 160, 180 or 27 would do what you want but in my opinion a 4:1 gear ratio would be a better choice. For a light reel lower than 4:1 I would recommend a 160, 180, 27 or if you do not mind 2.5 oz. heavier a 100.
Low gear ratio smaller Penn reelsBaymaster 180
Beachmaster 155, 160 (3:1)
Longbeach 60 (2.5:1)
Monofil 25, 26 and 27 (3:1)
Post '90 Seaboy 185 and 190 (3.1:1)
Squidder 140, 145 and 146 (3.3:1)
Surfmaster 100, 150 and 200 (3:1)
Quote from: mrbrklyn on July 19, 2019, 05:33:27 AM
These still fit in the new reels?
https://www.tackledirect.com/penn-versa-gear-system.html
Yes these gears will work in all Torque models.
However they are no longer available as packaged set. You need to order the desired gear & matching pinion separately.
Keep in mind that the gears for the
"newer " Torques will work in all models. Some gears when ordering may be designated for trq40 but will fit every model.
Also if using the 12 or 15 size forget about the ratio & pay attention to how much line Is grabbed with each turn of the handle.
The little Torques can be turned into powerful winches with the low gear. Probably to slow for some fish... Jeff
Quote from: Rivverrat on July 19, 2019, 03:19:22 PM
Also if using the 12 or 15 size forget about the ratio & pay attention to how much line Is grabbed with each turn of the handle.
Line retrieved per crank is more important than just the gear ratio, spool diameter changes output force like a lever.
I'm marrying off my daughter, I'll continue this conversation later on.
The Man
Quote from: Ron Jones on July 19, 2019, 05:29:42 PM
I'm marrying off my daughter, I'll continue this conversation later on.
The Man
Congratulations Ron!
-steve
Get them from mysticparts.com... what used to be pennparts.com
Quote from: mrbrklyn on July 19, 2019, 07:49:48 PM
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where do you get the pineon I don't see it on the Penn Site or on Tackle Direct
Here ya go .....
www.mysticparts.com/TRQ54GEAR-Torque-Versa-Gear-Kit-541-P26872.aspx
www.mysticparts.com/5-TRQ40-Gear-Main-Gear-481-Ratio-P28204.aspx & the appropriate pinion www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/13-TRQ40.aspx
Mystic still had some of the 5.4:1 packaged sets in stock. This will let 12 or 15 size grab 25" of line with each turn of the handle. The 4.8:1 will grab 23" of line per crank. Which is powerful but pretty dang slow. These are easy to install. Any issues & I or some one would be happy to walk you through it... Jeff