Guys check this out, someone is selling this Daiwa Seabird SD-2 on ebay for $516. I have never seen or heard of anything like this, is there anyone here that owns one? I would love to find out on how it performs. Sal
Never seen anything like it Sal - love to have a look inside though!
Seems a mighty big price tag, but it's certainly unique...
Mate,
I just bought one from Ebay as a gift for a friend, bot the spool will not rotate to allow line to peel off.
It seems to be locked by a key way.
Any ideas please?
Wow, this was posted a long time ago. I have never seen the inner side on this reel and looked around with no luck.
The first thing I would do is to give it a good cleaning and reassemble it. While doing so, I would pay close attention to the drag mechanism and see if all is in order, or make sense to me .
Let us know what you'll find.
Post a pic or two when opened ...if you can.
Good luck!
Sal
So, the spool does not turn and only goes in and out. Only the rotor turns. When pulling drag, the rotor, and gears are all turning and the spool is going in and out. The AR keeps the handle from turning backward and the star drag allows everything else to move. I could live with that.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on July 07, 2017, 08:42:52 PM
So, the spool does not turn and only goes in and out. Only the rotor turns. When pulling drag, the rotor, and gears are all turning and the spool is going in and out. The AR keeps the handle from turning backward and the star drag allows everything else to move. I could live with that.
-steve
I don't get what you're saying Steve. If the spool doesn't rotate, your drags are not working. When the fish takes the line a the spool does not go in and out it only rotates until you make adjustment to your drag and find the balance.
That reel as Moi has described is not fishable.
I'm thinking its an easy fix, it probably only needs a good cleaning.
Since the star is on top of the handle, maybe the handle has something to do with it?
Hi Sal. My guess was that a fish pulling drag would rotate the rotor backward with the bail engaged. It would be like locking the drag and closing the bail on a normal spinner and playing the fish knuckle-buster style with the AR turned off. The rotor would turn backward, the gears would turn backward, the crosswind arm would still push the spool in and out like it was laying line, even though line was being taken out by the fish. However, on this reel, instead of the handle turning backward knuckle-buster style when playing out line, the handle and a sleeve would be held by the AR and the star drag would allow everything else to turn backward and play out line. Instead of the spool drag being locked down, in this reel the spool is permanently fixed in place. The drag comes for the star drag and washers in the main gear, not washers in the spool. To cast, just open the bail as usual.
-steve
i think it's a jack-a-lope........ ;D
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
i think it's a jack-a-lope........ ;D
That was my first thought also.
Quote from: oc1 on July 07, 2017, 11:35:28 PM
Hi Sal. My guess was that a fish pulling drag would rotate the rotor backward with the bail engaged. It would be like locking the drag and closing the bail on a normal spinner and playing the fish knuckle-buster style with the AR turned off. The rotor would turn backward, the gears would turn backward, the crosswind arm would still push the spool in and out like it was laying line, even though line was being taken out by the fish. However, on this reel, instead of the handle turning backward knuckle-buster style when playing out line, the handle and a sleeve would be held by the AR and the star drag would allow everything else to turn backward and play out line. Instead of the spool drag being locked down, in this reel the spool is permanently fixed in place. The drag comes for the star drag and washers in the main gear, not washers in the spool. To cast, just open the bail as usual.
-steve
Oh, now I see what you mean Steve, that would make sense.
Sal
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
i think it's a jack-a-lope........ ;D
:D ...yep, that it is ;D
Yeah, Steve is correct --
All this is, is a drive train drag -- that engages and disengages the drivetrain.
The rotor and line guide would end up being the rotating part that slowed the line outfeed -- as the drivetrain is locked down less or more.
The drag washers in the crank would engage and disengage the drive train -- and at least in principle, similar to a drive belt clutch system on a snowmobile that transfers power from the engine to the track via a friction clutch affair.
Really, pretty ingenious.
I am with Sal -- like to have a schematic or one on the bench to study.
Looked theough a few old shop manuals from 25 years ago -- no mention. Have a few more to look through out in the other shop.
There are a bunch of old oddball star drag spincast reels out in some of the old bins -- but I have never seen this on a spinning reel before.
Best,
Fred
This reel reminds me of the Plueger Pelican that you sent me a while back, thanks again Fred.
On this reel the spool oscillates, on the Pelican, the rotor does...another interesting design on that Pflueger.
Obviously two different reels, but having some same functions.
I'm glad this thread was brought back, maybe now we'll get lucky with finding the schematics.
Sal
Found 2 or 3 more of those old Pelicans out in the bone boxes from decades ago tackle shops, Sal --
I think yours had a box though -- these are just loose.
Best,
Fred
I suspect that right angle before getting to the drag stack forces some tradeoffs in drivetrain strength and drag smoothness.
Quote from: mike1010 on July 08, 2017, 05:11:04 PM
I suspect that right angle before getting to the drag stack forces some tradeoffs in drivetrain strength and drag smoothness.
True, Mike --
However, I also suspect this reel has two sets of drags -- one stack in the spool, as usual -- then another drag system in the crank for quicker and stronger adjustments when a large fish is on.
One could be a pre-set -- and the star is an additional strong drag -- as conditions dictate.
I'm heading out to the outside shop to dig through the older shop manuals.
Likely will not find anything though -- this was a very limited production model -- and possibly only an Asian and Europeon release -- not US.
Best,
Fred
Best,
Fred
Star drag and the handle is on the wrong side. What sort of sorcery is this?!
I've seen more star drag systems on closed-face spincasters than the open-faced spinners. There's a couple in my brothers collection. YES! Now I gotta good excuse(reason) to escape domestic "bliss" and do some explorin my last day here!
Gfish
Quote from: troutman561 on July 17, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Star drag and the handle is on the wrong side. What sort of sorcery is this?!
::) Clearly someone from the "wrong handed" crowd's "better idea". ;D
BTW, it's not an entirely new concept. Bronson had a handle drag 65 years ago in 1953 on its much smaller Sprint 400.
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Spincast drag-star system. On this one the line winder(spincast rotor) lets line out under star drag pressure. The gears turn backward with the rotor, while the shaft, anti-reverse cog & handle are locked against reverse by the side plate dog. Good: almost all metal and fiber components(push button & knob are the only plastic). Bad: no clicker. Never gonna be that smooth with rotor turning to let out line, insteda having the spool turn(which is fixed to the reel body on this one). Having the spool turn against drag pressure, is the usual way spincasters do it. The rotor has no rollers for reducing winding friction either.
I actually got this one right straight back together, first try! And I still don't exactly know how every component works...
Gfish
1st picture: R to L, shaft; friction washer; big cup shaped main gear; thick fiber washer with spring in its grove that moves the dog into place when handle rotated or when line's bein pulled out against drag pressure; anti-reverse cog(keyed to shaft); side plate with dog(hard to see); and other standard star drag external parts.
Here's some more of the same concept. They're all '63/'64ish Shakespeare made "Punch Button" under rod spincasters, i.e. 2 Shakespeare, South Bend, Sears & Ted Williams. The strange, yet interesting, design didn't last too long, but they're a cool add to the collection.
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Cool! Thanks Midway. I prefer the drag wheel location on these, to the dial-on-the-reel-body type. You got a favorite?
I got a Diawa Goldcast a few years ago, mainly cause they incorporated an ossilating spool system. Best spincaster I ever owned. Based on my childhood zebco spincaster learning to fish experiences, I really always wanna have one handy.
Gfish
No, I don't have a favorite ( ;D laughing), they're actually a pain in the rear to use with that punch button in the back. ::) Besides that, my most hated drag adjustment is a star drag. It seems like that big ol' star always gets bumped on something and changing the drag set just about the time I really need it to work correctly. My second most hated is a drag knob on the spool. Seems like the line is either in the road for adjustment or the stupid friction on the knob loosens and lets the tension change a little. My favorite drag setup is the "fulcrum" style with the drag knob adjustment on the bottom rear of the body, out of the road and easy to adjust on the fly. ;)
My mother's favorite reel was a green South Bend spin cast. I don't remember the model but the shape was like a 77. Either my memory is playing tricks on me, or the drag would be adjusted by tightening or loosening the spool cover. There may have been a tab on the fulcrum that the spool cover would move up and down.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on July 18, 2017, 07:24:53 AM
My mother's favorite reel was a green South Bend spin cast. I don't remember the model but the shape was like a 77. Either my memory is playing tricks on me, or the drag would be adjusted by tightening or loosening the spool cover. There may have been a tab on the fulcrum that the spool cover would move up and down.
-steve
SB had a couple of models where turning the front spool cover adjusted tension on the rotation of the spool/dome.
This one has a notched rim on the back of the spool cover. If you look close you can see a little spring tab on the bottom above the foot that rests in a notch to hold the brake adjustment setting. Hers was probably a similar design.
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Lot of different spincast reels over the years --
Some under rod -- some over.
50's -- 60's.
Tommy, here is a pretty strange one -- Bradco, comes in green or blue.
Best,
Fred
Just ran across an old Johnson Guide 160 spincaster. It has a star drag adjustment AND an internal drag as well. Advertised as something that would keep your line from breaking (?). The internal drag was preset at the factory for 15 lb. test line, but could be adjusted via a nut inside the case. Somehow (I have not completely grasped the concept yet), you could "activate" the star drag by turning the reel handle backward.
I've seen a few online accolades for the Guide as maybe the best spincast reel ever by Johnson; I'm not a spincast expert, but I'm wondering if a dual drag setup is enough to make a reel something that is head and shoulders above something else.
Frank