Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Shakespeare => Topic started by: foakes on February 15, 2018, 08:31:26 PM

Title: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: foakes on February 15, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
Helping a friend and neighbor move to Oregon last week.

He was getting rid of old rakes, sledge hammers, tools, hardware — said to take whatever I wanted.

In the back behind 30 or 40 rusted outdoor implements was this old 2052 Shakes on a cheap 5 1/2' rod.

Been out in the lean-to for about 17 years.

Handle frozen, too filthy to even take in the reel shop until it gets squirted off.

Anyway, a nice challenge.

Nice thing about these old quality metal spinners — generally, a good restoration will bring them back to 100%.

We will see...

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: thorhammer on February 15, 2018, 08:42:37 PM
The right man for the job!
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: El Pescador on February 15, 2018, 09:12:02 PM
My Money is ON YOU Fred!!!!

Wayne
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Midway Tommy on February 15, 2018, 09:46:55 PM
All things considered, that spool is surprisingly white.  :o Must not have seen the light of day for about 40 years, or, the dirt protected it from the UV rays.  ;D 

Mike knows all about those little guys, Fred, if you come to an impasse.   :D
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: mo65 on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 PM
   That's rich Tommy...like Fred would need my help...hardy, har, har...:D
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: nelz on February 15, 2018, 11:54:11 PM
It'll clean up nice!
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Midway Tommy on February 16, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
Quote from: mo65 on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 PM
   That's rich Tommy...like Fred would need my help...hardy, har, har...:D

I've seen your work, Mike. You know your stuff!  8) A little compliment never hurt anybody!   :)
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: festus on February 16, 2018, 12:36:27 AM
Yep that should clean up very well.  And it even has the medallion.  Very similar insides of a DAM Quick but much easier to service.



Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Dominick on February 16, 2018, 12:54:56 AM
It has chipped paint.  Throw it away.   ::) Dominick
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: mo65 on February 16, 2018, 12:58:15 AM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on February 16, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
Quote from: mo65 on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 PM
   That's rich Tommy...like Fred would need my help...hardy, har, har...:D

I've seen your work, Mike. You know your stuff!  8) A little compliment never hurt anybody!   :)

   Thanks Tommy, I appreciate the compliment. Hey, wait a minute, there is one tidbit I can offer Fred on this reel. The slide screw is left hand thread. I bet Fred already knows that. 8)
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: foakes on March 09, 2018, 05:12:54 PM
Finished this up yesterday in between other reel jobs.

Turns super smooth and ticks like a Swiss watch.

100% restore from the inside out.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: mo65 on March 09, 2018, 05:44:48 PM
   Dynamite Fred! That's a favorite ultralight...an absolute beastly reel. Is that a new side plate? It has paint now...hee hee! Top shelf resurrection.  8)
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Bryan Young on March 09, 2018, 05:49:22 PM
Fred, you are a reel miracle worker.
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: foakes on March 09, 2018, 06:13:57 PM
Quote from: mo65 on March 09, 2018, 05:44:48 PM
  Dynamite Fred! That's a favorite ultralight...an absolute beastly reel. Is that a new side plate? It has paint now...hee hee! Top shelf resurrection.  8)

Not new Mike, but better than was on there.  Just swapped it out.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Alto Mare on March 09, 2018, 06:22:47 PM
Great job as usual Fred. Some of my  customers tell me that the house smile's when it sees my truck pull up on the driveway, reels do the same when they walk in your shop😁
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: festus on March 09, 2018, 07:53:59 PM
Another fine restoration, Fred.  I knew you'd do it eventually.

I wanted one of those during my early teenage years, then forgot about them.  This site got me interested again, so I now have two.
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Decker on March 09, 2018, 08:43:53 PM
Dirt, corrosion, abuse, neglect, years of entropy, are no match for Fred and his shop!
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: nelz on March 09, 2018, 09:25:19 PM
Quote from: Decker on March 09, 2018, 08:43:53 PM
Dirt, corrosion, abuse, neglect, years of entropy, are no match for Fred and his shop!

Wow, there's a word you don't hear relating to reels... ever!  ;D

Yes, Fred is the reel messiah!
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: bhale1 on March 10, 2018, 03:02:51 AM
Lol...I'm actually going to have to Google that word😀
Brett

Okay I looked it up and still don't know if I would know how to use it properly in a sentence 😀
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: happyhooker on March 10, 2018, 04:18:16 AM
Another one resurrected from the graveyard.

Frank
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 10, 2018, 05:14:20 AM
I had no doubts. ;)
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: foakes on March 10, 2018, 05:58:32 AM
These are very good reels.

Interesting problem, though...

Nearly every reel in the world has something that could/should have been made differently or better.

In the case of these little Shakespeares — it is the trip ramp, or sometimes called the brake ring.

This is the part attached to the frame, under the rotor that trips the trip lever as the rotor turns to return the bail to the retrieve position.

On most quality reels, this is a separate part that sometimes doubles as a main bearing retainer, or it is a copper or brass ring that ramps up to interact with the lower part of the spring loaded trip lever.

On these little Shakes — it is a small rectangular protrusion that is part of the frame — therefore made out of aluminum cast.

The trip lever has a much stronger spring than I believe is necessary — and when these parts lose lubrication, the trip lever acts as a chisel — actually gouging off the top of the softer trip nub.

These get a lot of wear and use on spinners — and most are replaceable.  The Shakes is not.  The frame needs to be replaced.  When I robbed the sideplate off of a donor reel in one of the bins for this restore — this issue was noticed and narrowed down since the bail would not trip closed.

So now I have a donor reel I will also restore, since it deserves to be put back in service.  But am looking for a fix on the gouged trip nub.  I am thinking that maybe a tiny screw might be drilled and tapped on the nub — then ground smooth for proper bail closing?  Also replacement of the trip lever spring with a lighter one might also help?  

I will give it a little more thought — then attempt a solution.

Looks like the case of a company taking a little shortcut, and saving a few nickels.  But down the road, issues arise.

Best,

Fred

Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: festus on March 10, 2018, 06:29:38 AM
Thanks for the heads up on the trip ramp, Fred.  Is it better to lubricate these parts with grease or oil?

Yes, these little reels have some very strong trip springs. They have their own unique sound, unlike the unmistakable clang of DAM Quick bail shutting.   

One more question about these reels.  Would it be ok to use 10 or 15 lb braid on them?  I know that's a bit of overkill, but crappie fishing you never know what you'll need to drag out of the Tennessee River, a big bass, drum, catfish, or even a striper.
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: foakes on March 10, 2018, 06:58:52 AM
Since the spools are plastic, old, and possibly brittle — I would think braid might damage them.

I did use a slight coating of synthetic grease on the trip nub, under the rotor.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on March 10, 2018, 12:52:31 PM
Great save - as usual - Fred :)
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: mo65 on March 10, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: festus on March 10, 2018, 06:29:38 AM
One more question about these reels.  Would it be ok to use 10 or 15 lb braid on them?  I know that's a bit of overkill, but crappie fishing you never know what you'll need to drag out of the Tennessee River, a big bass, drum, catfish, or even a striper.

   I've been using 15lb. braid on these reels Festus...no problems so far...other than I can't hardly stand to put the reel down. 8)
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on March 10, 2018, 03:14:08 PM
I woul have thought that braid would be less harmful, particularly on old (maybe brittle) plastic, than mono :-\  Mono can pop old spools particularly plastic ones.
Title: Re: A Rat by Any Other Name?
Post by: happyhooker on March 10, 2018, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: foakes on March 10, 2018, 05:58:32 AM
These are very good reels.


...am looking for a fix on the gouged trip nub....



Don't know if JB Weld or Permatex Steel Weld would work.  Both are supposed to bond to aluminum.  Thinking you might be able to build up the nub.

Frank