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Do you hide your own Easter Eggs yet???
Apparently I do! I was looking around in my storage, and look what I found.
These are the big brother to my 146 kits. They are standard width frames. Somehow during transition these got shuffled into a corner. Too many projects running at once I guess.They will be available as soon as I can order in some SST hardware and get everything squared away.
The kit will have both side plates, frame, foot, and rod clamp. Some of the feet and clamps will be black, a few will be silver. Sorry, no choice.
New stainless steel fasteners, except for the upper and lower bridge screws, they will be new Penn stock. New stainless bearing cups with REMOVABLE bearings will also be included. The clicker knob, dog, and spring will also be in the kit.
I'm sure you all will be quick to count everything out and see that there are only 14 complete sets. That's it.
I'm going to offer them here first for $175 shipping included in the US. One kit per person.
The list starts now,
Rusty Old Colt gets first right!
man, and i thought i was bad! at least most of my stuff is onsies, twosies! ;D
Put me down on that list, those look sweet! ;D
Dammit! I can't less these slip by!
I need at least one to match my squidder. ;D
Wow, hidden treasures in your garage too. Awesome.
I know they will sell fast. You do awesome machining.
Wow, I'd like a set.
wow, nice find compadre.
I will wait to see the build thread of the 14 lucky guys that get one of those kits
I might need to get a second job, so I can afford to buy stuff I don't really need...Wait I already have a second reel job.
Nice work! Those turned out great.
Put me on the list!! Ill take one for sure.
THANK -YOU TOM.... cant wait to build it
ummmmm....yeah, I'll take a set. 501 width, correct?
awesome looking kits.
Just beautiful, but... 501 width or 500/506? :)
~A~
Quote from: thorhammer on June 04, 2015, 12:53:23 PM
ummmmm....yeah, I'll take a set. 501 width, correct?
awesome looking kits.
These are standard 500 width. Also, the clamp nuts are Penn chrome over brass, not stainless.
Excellent, I just picked up a donor 500 for a great deal in great shape a couple weeks back, so I wont have to hunt a 501 Aluminum spool. wait, i have a spare red anniversery spool ....this is gonna be nice. now to design the rod...
I'll be havin one of those! Put me on the list, please!
By the way, are these silver anodized, or unfinished? Thanks.
I would like one, put me on the list and let me know how to pay you.
I'll buy 1 please.
Thanks!
I'm in to please put me on the list
I'll take one.
Tom
I will also take one to match my Squidder
Mike
I am in for one.
A guy with a name like Jigmaster501 HAS to get one! ;D
It is truly humbling to have you all so eager for these kits and my work!
The question was asked about the finish. They are polished and clear anodized.
I think 13 of the 14 are spoken for, here is a list in no particular order:
Rusty Old Colt
Germ
Bsfchen
Cwillis85
Shark hunter
fishsticks
thorhammer
Sledge
Swill88
Bluefish69
Jigmaster501
Mikeflorian
twotone
My apologies for any misspellings, some of these handles are tough!
If I missed anyone, please let me know.
I should have these ready to go by the end of next week.
Thanks again everyone,
Tom
Tom,
I will take the last one. Its time I did something with a Jigmaster I have hanging around.
SpeedwagonII
Awesome! Can't wait, ordered ss parts from prochallenger, and the ss gear sleeve. I can mail you a check anytime so lmk where to send it to, I live on Hawaii so if I need more for shipping just lmk
Thanks everyone! Once I get all the hardware together, I'll let you know. As far as payment, check or money orders work best. Please don't send anything yet. Once I have everything complete, I'll ask you guys to settle up.
Tom
I will surely take one kit please..!!!
Keith Rawson
Sorry Keith,
Looks like they are all spoken for. If someone drops out, you are number one on the waiting list.
Tom
Can't believe I didn't see this thread before today. Well if two people drop out consider any leftover sold here.
All the hardware showed up and the kits are ready to go!
The kits are semi-assembled DRY to make sure I included everything. I fully expect all of you to disassemble and properly grease/oil everything with your favorite sauces!
One hitch in the giddy-up. I added a retaining clip to the bearing cups so that the bearings can be removed without damaging anything. It worked fine on the clicker side, but the pinion made contact with the clip in free spool on the handle side. I don't see a problem leaving the clip out, as the bearing is captured in the cup by the spool shaft.
I will continue to work on this issue. If this is a deal breaker for anyone, I completely understand.
Thanks everyone for your patience.
Please include your screen name.
Thanks!
Payment options:
Check or Money Order for $175 :
My address is:
Tom Hryniuk
1445 Kim Court #3
Campbell, Ca.
95008
PayPal:
My account is my email tomhryniuk@hotmail.com
Please add 3% for fees...
Check mailed out just now. You can send the kit to the return address on the envelope.
how long before I know if there's any leftover?
Tom.
I sent it just now via paypal and added for a SS 500 newell sleeve.
Thanks.
check is in the mail... thanks!
Tom,
The check is in the mail.
Speedwagon2
I'm sic I missed this >:( If someone doesn't pay ??? Let me know and I'm in today
MONEY ORDERS IN THE MAIL .....THANKS AGAIN TOM
Payment sent
Thanks everyone!
I'll get the first wave of orders out this week, and try to get everyone wrapped up by middle of next week.
Tom
Paypal sent and cleared.
Paypal payment sent. Thanks Tom!
MO on way!
No sleep for the weary here... I missed this one but would like to put a standing order in on anything you make, Tom. I'll take one of whatever it is, just count me in and let me know when to send payment.
You're a true craftsmen,
Dom
Ps- congrats to those who got their paws on these beauties.
Tom
My check was tied to the Carrier Pigeon today. He will be there by Monday or Tuesday.
Mike
You only cleaned one corner of your shop, you have 3 more corners to clean out. Oh the treasures you can find for us.
I'm sure your financial advisor had to write that one. ;D
Quote from: bluefish69 on June 19, 2015, 03:21:58 AM
.......... Oh the treasures you can find for us.
I need a silver alloy right side plate for a 113h on process if you find it on your hidden treasures
Payment on the way. Thanks Tom!
Thanks to everyone who bought on of these frames! They are all on their way except for thorhammer because i cant read his writing on the return address ;D
I will put these on the to do list, but for now they are a distant blip on the horizon. Too many other projects to handle at the moment.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on June 19, 2015, 04:19:44 AM
I'm sure your financial advisor had to write that one. ;D
I don't talk to him that much because he is depressing.
Mike
I meant Trudy Mike. I know she writes all the checks. ;)
Your right she just asks what it is for to write on the bottom of the check. You or anyone could never read my hand writing.
Mike
Received my kit today. Man, this thing is nice! Going to build it tonight and post pics. Mahalo Tom!
Tom doesn't mess around. The guy is a Genius!
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Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on June 23, 2015, 03:09:09 AM
Thanks to everyone who bought on of these frames! They are all on their way except for thorhammer because i cant read his writing on the return address ;D
I will put these on the to do list, but for now they are a distant blip on the horizon. Too many other projects to handle at the moment.
And I tried to be neat.... :D
You have it correctly (responded to PM)
I know my reel is going to be the least flashy one of the 14 but it will be a long term project. Love the feel of this reel, light and comfortable. It might be a sin but I bought mine to fish and if the storms don't hit early I will be doing just that tomorrow. First custom build and it went together very smoothly, I had to tighten the bridge screws right side first to fix a rubbing issue and looks like the spool is slightly off center, tried to adjust it center with the bearing caps but I ran into some grinding at a certain point, I believe I just need one very thin shim to make it perfect but it isn't to the point where line will get caught so I will probably leave it be until I finish the stainless upgrades down the road. Amazingly well done product, so incredibly happy to have been lucky enough to scoop one up, thanks a million Tom.
Looking Good C. ;D
Thanks Daron, this year when my wife ask for gift advice, feel free to send her Alan or Adams direction. Need some bling on the inside of this guy. ;D
Good looking reel C...
Like you I will fish mine and upgrade the parts gradually.
I did get a 2nd gen ss sleeve and an ss dog from Alan; Bryans drags; ss star & handle from Adam.
Almost there.
Waiting for the mail on the frame kit is getting tough...
Quote from: cwillis85 on June 24, 2015, 12:02:49 AM
I know my reel is going to be the least flashy one of the 14 but it will be a long term project. Love the feel of this reel, light and comfortable. It might be a sin but I bought mine to fish and if the storms don't hit early I will be doing just that tomorrow. First custom build and it went together very smoothly, I had to tighten the bridge screws right side first to fix a rubbing issue and looks like the spool is slightly off center, tried to adjust it center with the bearing caps but I ran into some grinding at a certain point, I believe I just need one very thin shim to make it perfect but it isn't to the point where line will get caught so I will probably leave it be until I finish the stainless upgrades down the road. Amazingly well done product, so incredibly happy to have been lucky enough to scoop one up, thanks a million Tom.
If you have a chance, please send me your reel. I would like to document the issues you have. With so many years of jigmaster parts around, there is bound to be some issues.
Here's my take on it this kit. I also plan to fish mine.
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I will send it your way after my trip I have planned with my sister in July. I built mine out of an old and well used 500s (probably not worthy of your frame but it will get some fish in the boat), I know that is a bit of and odd ball reel but it was what I have on hand until I can upgrade.
I have a silver 500 Penn spool laying a around if anyone is interested for the kit. It's in about 8/10 shape. Let me know and solid looking builds for these already. You guys have to post your catches on those bad boys as well!
Got out to the beach a little late, my daughter wanted pancakes, beautiful day and the storms didn't roll in too early. I took my squall 15 on my surf rod and the new hot rod reel on a short 6' boat rod, never planned to use this reel from the beach but had to try it out. Got lucky, only one bite for me and it happened to be a nice snook from the beach, not sure why he was out where I was, no structure or anything, usually just rays and sharks but not this time. This was my first snook and it jumped and fought like crazy, had a blast, the reel didn't flinch with this fish, had enough to keep the fish from crossing lines, did what it should and had one hell of a first catch on it, just thrilled with it.
Great Job C! ;D
Mine arrived in the mail today - it's just beautiful!
A question Tom... is the eccentric lever white plastic bushing just a press in fit with grease?
Also, what's the small black plastic cap in the clamp package used for?
Thanks.
Just a few more parts needed!
Where'd you get the handle and drag star from germ? Those look slick. I'm most likely going to run mine with the stock handle and star for now since I splurged on an ss gear sleeve, and the full pro challenger package, but I will most likely be changing the handle and star down the line.
Quote from: swill88 on June 24, 2015, 07:06:53 PM
Mine arrived in the mail today - it's just beautiful!
A question Tom... is the eccentric lever white plastic bushing just a press in fit with grease?
Also, what's the small black plastic cap in the clamp package used for?
Thanks.
Just a few more parts needed!
Swill,
Those are both to prevent scratching the frame. the cap goes on the eccentric lever tip.
Swill88,
As Daron said, the black cap is a cut to size cap that slips onto the eccentric lever. Every aluminum plate I've seen has a dent from slammin home that lever on a hot bite.
The white delrin insert in the handle side plate is to isolate the eccentric. Almost every aluminum plate I've seen has galvanic corrosion around that eccentric. I've actually been researching and thinking about adding a sacrificial diode to my reels.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on June 25, 2015, 01:01:37 AM
Swill88,
As Daron said, the black cap is a cut to size cap that slips onto the eccentric lever. Every aluminum plate I've seen has a dent from slammin home that lever on a hot bite.
The white delrin insert in the handle side plate is to isolate the eccentric. Almost every aluminum plate I've seen has galvanic corrosion around that eccentric. I've actually been researching and thinking about adding a sacrificial diode to my reels.
Interestimg thought. But you would likely need several to be effective since many subassemblies and parts that are anodized or have coverings do not have direct raw metal to metal contact. Of course salt and water might just bridge that gap. Probably take years (or a tourture test) to find out if it is effective.
thanks guys... is that blue grease I see around the delrin insert? Thinking of future maintenance.
Also... does anyone know of a silver colored braid? 50 -65#?
Quote from: cwillis85 on June 24, 2015, 12:02:49 AM
I know my reel is going to be the least flashy one...
I'm kinda digging that handle. First time I've seen one...but I'm a relative newb.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on June 25, 2015, 01:01:37 AM
I've actually been researching and thinking about adding a sacrificial diode to my reels.
A thinker, and a doer. Tom's gears seem to always be turning.
That Silver Handle looks like an accurate. The star looks aluminum. I wouldn't use those. JMO
Thanks for the input sharkhunter. Waiting for the kit to come in is agonizing haha. One of the downfalls of living on an island in the middle of the pacific
I might have one of those handle bf. The stock star is fine. I really like a lot of bling, but the stars isn't one of them.
Hoping my kit makes it to Long Island by the weekend , I just cant wait to start building it and testing it out on some of LI stripe bass
Everything was mailed out on Tuesday, so I would think today or tomorrow on the deliverys!
I'll going to put a New 24-66 handle & a new Star on my reel. I want to keep it looking like the Squidder. I have all the SS goodies for the insides. After all this the reel will live in a closet.
Mike
Man I don't know what's wrong. Everything seems to work. But when I put the spool in I just can't turn it with the handle. First time I've ever encountered something like this. Freespool lever is working. Pinion and main smooth. But when I tried two spools already and I can't tell what's wrong . if someone can help that'd be awesome
If you are sure about your spools being OK --
Sounds like a bearing issue -- namely just too tight when putting the reel together.
Back off the bearings -- reassemble it wiith the bearings backed off -- then adjust them in to where the spool is right.
You have probably aleady done this -- but if not...
Side note -- make sure all of the screws are greased -- and not overly tightened -- just snug.
Let us know how you fare.
Best,
Fred
Awesome. Played around with the bearing caps for a while everything is now good to go. Gonna try fish this tonight hope to get lucky. Thanks Fred and thanks for the kit tom. Thing is a beauty
Great!
Show us some pics of your catch -- new reel is always lucky.
Best,
Fred
The binding in free spool sounds like what I ran into as well. For me the solution was to back the handle side bearing cap out a turn or two and make up the difference with the non handle side. Spool is slightly off center but not enough to cause the reel to be able to eat line, not even braid. I am using a non aluminum and non chrome spool, I believe I read that it was a light weight stainless spool that I took off a 500s, ordered a new aluminum spool that i will try once it arrives and report back my findings.
Keep an eye on that handle side bushing, it will back itself out if its not tight.
If you have bushings laying around try different ones, that usually does it.
...never mind, you meant bearing caps, I thought you were saying bushings, those are more adjustable.
That is a new one on me, Sal...
Did not know the bearings would back out -- if lubed and installed correctly wiith greased O rings.
I have had bushings back out, for sure -- but have not experienced the cupped bearings backing out.
Unless somhow there is a rust issue -- which is doubtful -- gven the experience of the folks lucky enough to get one of these.
I will watch out for this.
Best,
Fred
Sorry, Sal -- did not see your modified post above since we were both typing at the same time.
Not sure if it happens all the time, but it sure happened to me while casting from the sand. Bearing cups will also back out, I had one back out last year on my 970. Again, this was while casting from the beach. If adjustment is necessary, the best solution, when possible, is to use shims and keep the bushing snug.
I checked my bearing after reading Sal's post, I purposely tightened my bearing cup so the slot was horizonal, the bearing cup did indeed back out very slightly, maybe a few degrees at most. My bearing cup threads and o ring were greased on original assembly. That Snook I caught put up a fun fight but I am sure these reels will be pushed much harder than that little snook. I dont see this bearing cup coming loose enough to cause issues as long as you keep an eye on it and tighten when needed. I am going to send my reel back to Tom after my trip I have planned for mid July as per his request. I am sure he will give us direction on how to correct this after he gets a look at it.
Got my kit in the mail. Thoughtful packaging, exceptionally well insulated. Sure is pretty to look at, can't wait to get it together and fish it...but no factory stick will do, so looks like a custom rod soon! A couple of points to mention, personal observations; 1) the material thickness on the outside edges of many of the fastener holes is quite thin...a hard drop is likely to cause problems, 2) knurled bearing caps to replace the slotted caps is my preference, and will be a future upgrade.
Anybody want to trade a black reel foot and clamp for a silver one?
Put my kit together and it looks great , ( deciding on handles and arms now ) but I have a weird notch feeling when cranking (almosy like a bad tooth on a gear ) I tried another set of gears from a known smooth turning reel and its still there . Any ideas ?
Rusty, try loosening that handle side bearing a turn or two to see if the grinding goes away.
Chris
On a typical stock Jigmaster -- the handle side bushing is fastened down tightly -- then one adjusts the sping loaded tail plate side bushing with your fingers -- until you get the right amount of freespool and play desired.
I generally tighten the left side until the spool will not turn freely -- then just back it off 1/2 turn, or so, until you are satisfied with the operation.
On these custom sideplates -- just like on the old Accurate plates -- there are actual bearings with coin adjuster slots. Similar to Newell and high speed jigmasters. There is a "sweet spot" where everyhing works perfectly -- and will require adjusting both bearings to that position. What you are doing, is slightly moving the spool a few mils to the left -- by using both adjusters. This allows a little more play between the pinion, spool shoulder, spool shaft, etc..
The tolerances on these sets is so exact -- it requires some fine tuning, since there is little margin for slop.
So as to not booger up the slots -- try using an old copper penny, slightly ground square on one edge. Since the penny is softer than the screw -- no damage. Keep a couple of pennies ground down in your tackle box.
Best,
Fred
started adjusing the bearing cups tonight , brought the right in flush with the housing and the left I backed out a little, I still get a very slight bind at the same spot of the handle ( feels more like a bad tooth in the gear ), but its getting better . maybe I am being too critical it just seemed my 2 squidder conversions felt smoother but they dont have all the stainless steel arms and large handles on them
Doesn't need to be flush, screw it in as much as needed. Tilt the reel on its side, place it on freespool and give the spool a spin, repeat on the opposite side. The side that gives you the rubbing sound needs to get screwed in a little more until gone.
In freespool it was fine its only when I crank the handle in gear ,but I have plenty of time this week to play with it and I will let you guys know
Oh, I thought it was bearing adjustment issue. Well at least you can put that aside and move on to the clutch assembly. I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it.
Alright I was lucky enough to get this JM frame kit from Tom H, everything seem good but the drag stack height is giving me trouble. What is everyone using for parts after BP 5:1 custom gear set custom package C (1 mm taller) , Bryan's 5+1 drag kit and AT gen 2 gear sleeve with under gear ss washer and cf washer under the main gear ? I get one full revolution on the star.The star is 1/8 thick. I'm thinking I should have more revolutions. I'm using the stock spacer and a spring washer under the spacer. Also a spring washer between the star and the handle arm. I have tried different combination after Bryan's 5+1 drag stack with no luck. Their is movement in the sleeve and the spacer in the side plate all from lifting the handle arm. To solve the spacer slop. Do you drill the side plate for the BP spacer to fit the BP one? Please advise. This JM kit is awesome . noby here
I would take out the spring was here under the star and also if using BP 5:1 gears the spacer is a must! It also comes in various heights to fix spacing issues that you are having. If it were me and the spacer didn't fit toms kit, I'm assuming that's what you're saying, I would sand the OD of the spacer slightly while continually checking to see if it fits. Better to modify the spacer than the plates. I have done this with great results on accurate plates. Sal gave me the idea for that.
Quote from: RUSTY OLD COLT on June 29, 2015, 12:58:31 AM
In freespool it was fine its only when I crank the handle in gear ,but I have plenty of time this week to play with it and I will let you guys know
I still think that is a bearing issue. I came across this with Lee Pro Plates. When taken out of free spool it would bind. I had to adjust the bearings while in gear and then the binding went away.
Thx FishStiicks. I'll remove the black spring washer from the star and sand to fit the BP spacer. I do have several BP spacer with various heights to try. The JM kit has no problems with free-spool (very smooth) and no problems with BP gears or any other part. I'm away this week for work, brought the reel and tools, but forgot to bring the BP spacers. So I'll post results this weekend. Thx for helping. Awesome JM kit Tom
Mine went together with no issues, smooth as butta even with 40 YO 500S guts. I'm sure it will only get better as I sub out a few goodies. As above, you will have to tune both side bearings to dial it in. Counterintuitively, you may actually have to keep tightening the bearing cap until the spindle is fully engaged in the bearing; mine smoothed right on out when it got to that point.
looks phenomenal, I was going to put in anniversery spool I had but it's just not that up to snuff so I went stock aluminum while I cypher on that one a lil bit...
John
Hey everybody,
I'm back from vacation. Whats the status on all the builds? If anyone is still having issues, please let me know!
You can PM me, or post it here.
Thanks and I'm glad everyone is happy with the kits!
Still sourcing parts. Has to be just right...and as much stainless as is available. It will probably be awhile yet.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on July 01, 2015, 12:44:59 AM
Hey everybody,
I'm back from vacation. Whats the status on all the builds? If anyone is still having issues, please let me know!
You can PM me, or post it here.
Thanks and I'm glad everyone is happy with the kits!
Fit and finish are suberb, Tom!!!!!! I had to put it together with what I had, just couldn't wait, but it will get all the goodies as Sledge indicates below. Thanks again for your work to bring this piece of engineering available to the group! We'll be wanting some 4/0's next :)
Tom
I won't get to the build till sometime in August. Busy driving the Wife around before Knee Replacement next Tuesday. Then Rehab. at home. Oh the fun of getting older.
Mike
Quote from: bluefish69 on July 01, 2015, 03:00:53 PM
Tom
....... Oh the fun of getting older.
Mike
its good to know the fun never ends, right now I have the fun of paying to house loan, kids school, helping them with homework, taking them out on weekends, etc, etc barely finding time and money for fishing.
Good luck with that Mike. Make sure you do the rehab.
Second trip to the beach with my fancy 500, second snook, might have to start calling it my lucky reel. Hopefully not just the same snook I let loose last week. ;D
Chris
Also recieved an accurate spool today, just installed it and everything is perfect now. Spool is now centered and all odd sounds have ceased. Guess that old spool was off slightly somewhere. Should have guessed it was on my end and not Tom's this kit is so well done. Thanks again.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 01, 2015, 08:26:42 PM
Good luck with that Mike. Make sure you do the rehab.
It's not me, I can take the pain. I've had Hip Replacement & was walking with a cane in less then 3 weeks. This is the Wife. This will be a Roller Coaster ride starting next Tuesday. They only keep her in the hospital 2-3 days & send you home.
Mike
Well,
You Give Trudy a kiss from me and tell her I wish her a speedy recovery. I'll talk to the Big Man for her. ;)
All the best to your misses, Mike. Tell her to hang in there from the AT Crew.
Take good care of her, as I'm sure she has for you ;)
Hope she'll be up and running in no time,
Dom
We are not ignoring you C. Sometimes we get off topic chatty. Good job on than snook. ;D
Your little one looks like an angel. ;) I didn't have any girls, just My Three Sons. 8)
I'm having weird issues with the reel seizing up.everything seemed great with the reel. And everything seemed smooth and casts great. But after a while of reeling up things feel odd and longer able to reel. Not sure what it is but I've been adjusting the bearings and it helps but after reeling it gets bad again. I could turn the handle forever and seemed smooth before, but when I'm actually fishing it just stops working. I might just have to bring it to a shop for someone more knowledgeable to look at it.
Quote from: bsfchen on July 04, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
I'm having weird issues with the reel seizing up.everything seemed great with the reel. And everything seemed smooth and casts great. But after a while of reeling up things feel odd and longer able to reel. Not sure what it is but I've been adjusting the bearings and it helps but after reeling it gets bad again. I could turn the handle forever and seemed smooth before, but when I'm actually fishing it just stops working. I might just have to bring it to a shop for someone more knowledgeable to look at it.
Please send it back to me. I'll take a look no charge and cover shipping. I rely need to look at it and see what's going on.
Does the spool turn when you try to move it while the star is cranked down?
Everything seems fine with the reel now. Spool turns with the star fully cranked down. When I was fishing last night and the issue occurred. I couldn't move the handle at all even in freespool. And even though tinkering with the bearing caps helped. Reeling in the lead felt labored. The reel seems smooth again after playing with it last night so I will try fish it again and see if the same thing happens again.
Quote from: Reel 224 on July 04, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
In my opinion Woman are much stronger then Men, so your wife should do fine. Best wishes.
Joe
Joe you only say that because your wife beats you at arm wrestling. :D Dominick
Okay I think I might have found one of the culprits. One of the two dogs on the double dog bridge came off. Also I noticed if the bridge screws are screwed in all the way the handle can't turn
Sweet reel. Sanded the BP spacer to fit and adjusted the drag stack. (Thanks FishStiicks/ SAL) Life is good now! Smooth! Now the parts, AT ss gear sleeve, Bryan's 5+1, all of AC or BP ss products, Adam's star, Scotts B&T, and TOM H for the kit. This made this reel possible. So, thanks to all who contributed to this reel and members posts on JigMasters to finish out this JM kit. There are 2 things left for me to do. One, is to shim the ss sleeve. What size peelaway shim or brass from Mcmasters-Carr would you recommend? I can't find that post on shims. Two, handle and knob? I'm hoping Adam makes some counter balance arms. Thanks again all.
The handle and goes back on my 112h.
I would like to get one if there are any left. Beautiful work.
For shims, I actually use plastic ones! As they seem smoother to me. You can use brass or stainless if you like that better though. All are available on mcmaster.
Twotone,
I an building my Cortez Conversion to be similar to yours. What is the issue with the SS sleeve that requires a shim?
Speedwagon2
Not really an issue for some people. Just some slight in and out movement when you pull straight out on the handle . For a few dollars I'll place one under the sleeve.
Tom you do great work. Put mine together today, ht 100 with 1 under the stack ,Alan Tani ss sleave also grease and Alan's handle,also maged it,can't wait to fish it
HI Mike,
When installing magnets, do you install N, N, N, N? In servicing bass reels with magnets, I notice that the magnets are installed N, S, N, S, N (many of the reels I've serviced have 5 magnets).
I wonder if it makes a difference. I haven't tried it so I really don't know or understand a single polarity versus alternating polarities.
Brian , I just went off of info from a previous post on this site. This reel is beautiful
Brian that's how I put it together now that I think about it 4 n s n s
Beautiful reels you all built. Hope there is another run of these in the future.
Are these kits still available?
They sold out in two days.
Beautiful work by a true artist!
Id buy four more right now plus squidders. Finest kind
I'll finally be dropping off a new run of Cortez Classic JigMaster kits at the plater today!
There will be three widths 500, 99, and 501 in three colors, Silver, Ice Blue and Red.
Hopefully I'll get these back in a couple/three weeks.
Tom
Will these come with spools?
Oh my....JIT for Christmas...I sense the market for bare stock jiggy plates is about to get glutted.....
Tom, I said before that I will have everything you make, but still don't have any of these kits yet. I will eventually, but will need to wait a little longer.
Today I assembled 3 reels with these kits for a friend and wanted to tell you that these are milled to perfection, even better that the standard Jigmaster you did earlier.
I know you include those nice shims with your kits, but I did not have a need to use any on all 3.
Reels are working perfectly.
Good job Tom and thanks for making these!
Sal
I bought a 99 kit when they came out and finally got it put together last night. All the pro challenger SS parts and a nice black lever from Ted. Used a nos accurate spool and a pro gear handle. Didn't have the right size star from motive have to put that on the list. Here's a picture and one with a cc 146 kit next to it. Both went together perfectly on the first shot everything just drops right in.
The free spool isn't very good on the 99. I used the bearings that came with the kit and I needed both shims to center the spool. Both bearings got a drop of tsi and nothing else, there's a tiny bit of side play in the spool.
Any tips on getting better free spool? Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks Sheridan
By chance, did you wipe off all excess grease? Cortez Conversions kits have a very tight tolerances and even some slight excess grease will impede the spool from spinning freely.
Take the pinion gear out and re-assemble it without the pinion gear and give her a spin. Chances are freespool will be great due to the tight tolerances and superb fit. Bone stock Jigmasters have that counterbore on the outboard end of the pinion. The counterbore slides over the bushing when a stock JM is in freespool. This keeps the pinion and shaft really well centered and prevents contact/friction between the shaft and pinion, this contributes to great freespool. When we convert our JMs to bearings we lose this alignment aid; the pinion tilts slightly while in freespool and causes just enough friction that it won't freespool as well as we think it should. Sal has contributed a lot of information about how to polish the spool shaft and pinion which will help quite a bit. Also as Bryan just stated cleaning all the grease residue from the shaft and pinion bore helps also. In my opinion these hot-rodded Jigmasters tend to freespool less than we would anticipate but are fine for practical purposes...they just typically won't freespool for more than 30 seconds. If you can get a minute out of it you have really got her tuned to perfection. I have also found that a stock eccentric jack tends to freespool best. Sometime I will try all my spares until I find the one that freespools best.
Good luck
Mike
Thanks for that explanation Mike re. the bushing-bearing-pinion alignment. I too found the free-spool to be a little disappointing, but have found improvements by polishing the inside of the pinion, and the spool shaft, and making sure there is no grease on the polished surfaces, only TSI 321. Probably get 20secs now with a good spin. Good enough, but must admit, it would be nice to get double that.
Over-all this does not detract from the quality of these aftermarket parts, and the finished assembled reels. These really will outlast what's left my fishing life.
I'll pull it apart tonight and try cleaning and polishing. I'm just looking for 10 sec or so, about what I get out of the 146 kit. The fit and finish of those kits is second to none,never had a custon reel like that go together so easily. Thanks for the help and explanation. I have my first trip of the season next week,hoping to put them both to good use. Sheridan
I just went out to the garage and gave all my ball bearing Jigmasters a spin and this is what I'm getting. These all have the shafts and pinions polished and the bearing shields off with 321. None of these had line on them. I predict they will spin longer with the added mass of a full spool. These were all empty so they represent a good base line for comparison. Each of these will spin in excess of a minute without the pinion. Here's what I'm getting with the pinion polished and de-greased:
CC Side Plates, Tib 501 frame, Newell 501 spool: 18 seconds
CC Side Plates, Tib 99 frame, Newell 99 spool: 10 seconds
CC 99 kit, Newell 99 graphite spool: 15 seconds
CC 146 kit, Penn 146 spool: 12 seconds
ProGear 2500 (99 width): 9 seconds
Each of these reels were checked for freespool prior to installing the gears and all had at least 60 seconds freespool, some had more. This is just one of the steps I take while assembling. Once I establish a base line I know that any drop in freespool is a gear, shaft, yoke or eccentric jack issue and not a frame alignment or excess grease issue.
-Mike
Good info, Mike --
Thanks for the update and report.
Best,
Fred
I have learned from everyone here different aspects of getting these little jewels to free spool effortlessly. In my limited experience, and I have only built 10 of these, the issues with free spool can be traced back to a tilt in the pinion from uneven jack tabs against the yoke. Uneven? Specifically, the height of the tabs or the angle of the bend in the tab. Put the micrometer to them and see if both are at the same height. I have found a fluctuation in heights of stock and PC SS jacks. If they are not exactly the same it will tilt the pinion and bind on the spool shaft reducing free spool. Now the bad news, trying to get them to be the same height can bring you to your knees. Small adjustments with a some needle nose pliers is always a little too much or not enough. I just buy a hand full and find one that is nearly perfect. Trial and error. Polishing is good but if you really want it to spin over a 60 seconds look at the tabs. My 2 cents.
Andy
Andy's giving some excellent advice here. I would like to add to it in that you should never attempt to bend the tabs on aftermarket eccentric jacks as they are hardened and you run the risk of breaking one off...don't ask how I know. Penn jacks can be tweaked but the aftermarket stainless jacks are best stoned with a quality abrasive stone and some means of maintaining parallel surfaces. Also make certain your clutch springs are matched.
-Mike
Something else I've found on trying to get better freespool, besides polishing the shaft and pinion, If you happen to have a scratch awl, try working it on the top of the pinion a couple of times and see if that helps any.
On some pinions, when these are cut there is a sharp edge left on top, polishing helps, but doesn't really fully remove it.
The awl does it nicely with very little effort, it's tapered, so no chance on scratching the rest of the pinion .
This is my best method, a scratch awl and the a wood clamp to hold the pinion in position
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Also, we've found that some spool shafts are beefier than Penn stock spools, especially the Newell.
Prochallenger' s pinion have tight tolerance, they'll work great with Penn spools, but in some cases won't on some other, unless you really put lots of effort in to it.
Sal
i vote for a stickie
steve
Took the reel apart, cleaned and polished the spindles, pinion and freshened the tsi in the bearings and replaced the jack with a stock one. Free spool is much better now. Thanks to everyone for the help. Sheridan