Hello all,
I am working on a penn 3/0 reel. It has a new SS gear sleeve.
Somehow, when everything is all assembled, the reel works perfectly when the star drag is loose. When I crank the handle, you can hear the dog very loud and crisp. If I crank and push inwardly or crank and pull outwardly, no problem. The reel is all good.
Then, when I tighten the star drag, as I crank the handle and pull outwardly (away from the reel), the dog works perfectly. However, when I crank the handle and push inwardly (towards the reel), the dog goes silent and the handle goes backward.
I've been thinking, the gear sleeve does have some norman play while on the bridge stem. I could shim the gear sleeve so that it sits up (like I'm pulling the handle outwardly). Then I was thinking, this problem only occurs when the star is tighten up.
Could it be that that something is binding the dog when the star is tight? Could it be that the dog is fatter and if I sand it down it will be thinner so that when the star is tighten the dog remains loose and able to click?
Thoughts anyone? ??? What do people use to shim the bottom of the gear sleeve to reduce the play on the bridge stem?
Penn or one of my SS AR dogs?
I make all my sleeves tight by using stainless steel shims, but that wouldn't have much to do with what you're experiencing. I'm thinking your problem is with the washer for under the gear, try a different size washer.
If your sleeve is so loose that it lets the dog go under it, I think it wouldn't reset itself without reassembly. You might have the dog upside down. I'm just guessing. I've did that before on a 9/0 and it acted like you are describing. If I need to shim the sleeve, I just find a thin washer that is the same diameter of the sleeve post.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_21471_zps4c83172f.jpg)
what is the OD of the undergear washers? I have found in some cases that when the washer is just under the teeth of the rachet of the gear sleeve or about the same diameter of the washers in the main gear, there isn't a problem. If the washer is just large enough that when cranking, it jumps outside of the undergear washer, when compressed, the dog cannot slide back in to engage.
Thanks for the help everyone.
Nice pics shark hunter, by the way, is that a metal shim in your pic? Did you custom make it or is it another reel part that you use to shim?
Since I do not fabricate stainless steel, is there some kind of thin metal washers that is a specific reel part number that I could just use or can I just use a hard plastic washer and drill the ID to fit the bridge post?
Brian and Sal, you're right. I think the problem is not with the shimming of the gear sleeve. Rather, it is something to do with the binding of the washer under the gearbox. The guy mentioned that he has the 5 stack carbontex set and the fiber washer under the gearbox is made of carbontex. I'll recheck it again and try Brian's suggestion of using a bigger OD washer to help as a guide to allow the dog to slip back into the ratchet gear teeth under pressure.
Hopefully it works.... :)
Thanks again everyone.
That's just a thin washer I found in the garage that was the closest thing I could find.
Thanks SH... :)
Hmmm.
Okay, I got the reel open and the carbontex washer under the gearbox is the same size diameter as part number 4-60. It does overhang the ratchet gear teeth.
I did notice that the corner tip of the dog has a polished brass look as opposed to the rest of the dog. This polished area matches the overhang of the fiber washer.
I am going to try and lightly sand the shiny tip section and switch the fiber washer to a hard smooth plastic 4-60 from smoooothdrag.
We'll see.....
Okay guys,
I got it!!!!
Now when the star is tighten down to the max....cranking the handle and pulling outwardly or cranking the handle and pushing inwardly....the dog is clicking lound and crisp!
I think the shine on the tip of the dog told the story. Again, just a light sanding and wow.
The guy is going to be amazed. :)
I just rebuilt one 2 days ago that did the same thing..!
Wondering if there is a tutorial of how to open up a 3/0 to maintain it? I was not able to find one and I can't seem to get this one open. Seems like I should be able to pop the side rings off to get to the stand screws....BUT they aren't easily coming off side plate and I don't want to scratch the side plate.
It seems like you are talking about a 112 not a 112H. If it is a black plate 112 take a thin bladed pocket knife & tap it down between the ring & plate & work your way all the way around the plate. Then try to get a thin screwdriver between the ring & plate & twist.