I just picked up a Peen 112 that has been updated with a Tiburon frame, stainless internals and washers and drags from Smooth drag. The problem is it only creates about 5 lb of drag with the star fully locked. I have checked the drags and washers and they seem to be installed correctly. I have also played with the spacing sleeve and tension springs but not helps so far. Does anyone have suggestions on how to proceed.
Aloha AEM,
Would it be possible for you to post a pic of the dis-assembled reel in order? Especially the drag stack and spool??
Sounds like a drag stack issue. Things could be out of order or maybe the last eared washer isn't seating properly?
As Dab said, we need more info to diagnose the problem.
Dom
Quote from: broadway on May 24, 2014, 04:17:58 PM
.... maybe the last eared washer isn't seating properly?
This is the most common cause for low drag pressure after servicing a reel.
Thanks for the input. I'll give you a little history. I picked up this reel on Ebay for a decent price. It just had a lack of drag. The reel was disassembled and cleaned of any excess grease. I used carb cleaner on the hard parts and finished them in my wife's ultrasonic jewelry cleaner.( no she does not know it and yes I will replace it before she finds out) I removed as much grease as I could from the washer that goes between the main gear and sleeve and kept the surfaces clean, the washer measures to be on Smooth Drags chart to a #15 with the drag washers being #21 with a thickness of .76mm/.030 inches. I hit the stainless drag washer with 600 grit paper. These washers are .96mm/.038in in thickness. The middle washer with the dog ears fits smoothly in the main gear. This is a 3 drag washer set. Upon re-assembly I feel that from the handle side if I hold the spool I get good smooth resistance but on the spool side I can pull out line easily. I measure about 6 lb. I compared this to a old 500l which gave me 15lb and to daiwa 40hv with fresh smooth drags and it gave me 20. This way I know its not my scale. I am thinking I will have to replace the main gear washer with one that has less grease satuation. Thank you for your input and expertise.
Looking at your stack you seem to be missing at least one belleville washer (8A)? You have the light spring washer which really is just to give some tension to keep the star from loosening but not the heavier one to really transfer the star pressure to the outside of the drag discs where they will make the most braking power.
I could be wrong but am searching your image for one and just don't see it.
You need a set up that looks like this ])=sX
Where:
] = drag washer
) = Heavy belleville
= = Sleeve
s = light spring
X = Star
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Thanks for the input. This reel does not have a Belleville washer. Just a spring washer. I checked the parts diagram I downloaded from Mystic Reel Parts for this 3/0 and it does not show one but it might be worth a try. I will check my other reels to see if there is one to steal for a trial.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Is there spectra used as backing under the mono? The Braid could be slipping on the spool. Just something else to think about.
Bob
Quote from: Cone on May 26, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
Is there spectra used as backing under the mono? The Braid could be slipping on the spool. Just something else to think about.
Bob
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The drag stack could use a Bellville spring washer rather than the week wavy spring washer but it looks stock. I would suggest putting in a 5+1 stack.
Thanks for the replies. I will reload the spectra good and tight and try a Belleville washer as soon as I find one to fit.
Put some tape on your spool first so the Spectra can grip it.
Before you take your reel apart again, back the star and place another small tension spring washer on top of the spacer sleeve, same as the one on top of your stack and see what happens. At times the tension spring gets soft and needs to be replaced, I don't have issues using those, I actually like them better than the heavy Belleville washer on some of my reels, I like softer drag on small reels at start.
Bryan has some lighter Bellville washers for the 500/112H reels that I've found work real well, they are a bit stiffer than the factory wavy washers though.
Quote from: Keta on May 26, 2014, 09:59:06 PM
Bryan has some lighter Bellville washers for the 500/112H reels that I've found work real well, they are a bit stiffer than the factory wavy washers though.
Now that's a good thing, I never have luck using the heavy Belleville on the 112H and smaller. They work great on the 113H's and 114h's though.
The first ones I had were too heavy did not work well without a wavy washer under the star.
I reloaded the spectra and it already had a tape backing. its on tight but I am not generating enough drag to fully test it. Using the second wave washer under the star a Alto Mare suggested did get me to 6lbs of total drag. I don't have a Belleville that will fit. I will call Dawn at Smooth Drag tomorrow and order a another drag set and try the 5 drag stack. Thanks for insight.
Very nice reel you pick up AEM.
Since you seemed to have eliminated spectra slipping, and your drag stack order looks good, and you'll be trying a bevilled washer, check the spool shaft to make sure it nice and tight.
Also when you re-assemble the reel, use enough of Cal's drag grease to help keep the drag stack together. Like others have pointed out, sometimes the "eared" metal washer gets stuck out of position when going back together.
Please keep us posted
I used Bryan's drag stack on my 112H and have right at 18# of drag. Possibly a bit more than I will ever need on this reel but as a newbie, I highly recommend Bryan's drag upgrade.
Tim
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx76/fresnotim/100_2286_zpsaa9b08b8.jpg) (http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/100_2286_zpsaa9b08b8.jpg.html)
Able to get up to 14 lb of drag. I replaced the drags with a stock ht100 kit and replaced the spring washer with a thicker one out of an old Kencor reel I had laying around. The drag instantly increased. This should last awhile but if I need more drag I will look into a 5 stack drag. Thanks to all for the input.
Glad to see you solved the problem ...now go test it on some big boys!
Have fun,
Dom
A 5+1 stack is smoother under the same load.
Quote from: AEM on May 30, 2014, 04:03:41 AM
Able to get up to 14 lb of drag. I replaced the drags with a stock ht100 kit and replaced the spring washer with a thicker one out of an old Kencor reel I had laying around. The drag instantly increased. This should last awhile but if I need more drag I will look into a 5 stack drag. Thanks to all for the input.
Just out of curiosity, how good is the star travel, how many times are you able to turn it using that thick washer? All of my reels start very soft... just the way I like them.
14lb is good, big improvement from 6lb.
The drag starts soft but it takes less than two full turns of the star before it is tight, I received extra drag washers and metals from smooth drag which I might play with in a 5+1 stack. I'm thinking they might be too thick but I have time to play with it before my 4 day tuna trip.
The only way you will be able to get 5+1 is by using Bryan's kit. If you want more travel with the star try a shorter spacer, Scott has them in 4-5 sizes
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/9-60.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/9-60.aspx)
I just sand them down until I they feel good to me. A tension spring under the star will keep everything tight, if you decide to sand the spacer.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Alto Mare. I have to agree that Brian's washers is the way to go. I got the thin drags from smooth drag and there is no way I can get two keyed washers in the main gear. I will measure the sleeve and see if there is a shorter one available. By chance do you know the dimensions of the main gear for a 112. Some of the pictures I have seen posted look thicker than mine. the one in my reel is the same thickness as the main gear of a jigmaster . Thanks for the input.
Alan
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 31, 2014, 02:15:10 AM
I just sand them down until I they feel good to me. A tension spring under the star will keep everything tight, if you decide to sand the spacer.
I've been reading this site for awhile and have never seen this tip mentioned (sanding down the sleeve). So simple, but it never occurred to me. I have a couple of reels where this is exactly what they need.
Quote from: SacFly on May 31, 2014, 07:46:24 AM
I've been reading this site for awhile and have never seen this tip mentioned (sanding down the sleeve). So simple, but it never occurred to me. I have a couple of reels where this is exactly what they need.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10011.0
Quote from: Dabigono on May 31, 2014, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: SacFly on May 31, 2014, 07:46:24 AM
I've been reading this site for awhile and have never seen this tip mentioned (sanding down the sleeve). So simple, but it never occurred to me. I have a couple of reels where this is exactly what they need.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10011.0
It was also mentioned here ;D
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=30.msg27324#msg27324