ive been in contact with inox and they recommended mx5 for bearings.cleaned up my tld5 and have no trouble getting 80 seconds of freespool.still there after a couple months.mx3 for other jobs.wont hurt braid or mono,$18 $aud spray can.lot of products we cant get in oz,corr x,reelx etc .i might add this is not a commercial,even though it looks.hope it helps.cheers
Inox is starting to come into the US and they are looking for retailers. I cannot remember where I saw their ad though.
There are a lot of good lubricants out there. Trying to decide on one or having all in your box...
Sorry for the grave dig on this post however just wanted to give my recommendations for Inox (Candan Industries).
I worked there with Angela (Managing Director) for a while and while I dont work there now I can safely say that I love the product(s) and I faithfully use them in 90% of my reel servicing and other applications - I use Mercury 2-4-C as my HD gear grease opposed to MX8 as thats a lithium complex and not sure about lithium on aluminium parts etc.
Whilist having been exposed to the manufacturing of the product I can safely say that whats in it is quiet good, and from all the posts online here (forum) shows promising results for it.
I use it as follows.
Inox MX3 (oil) - general oiling, dissimilar metal contact and general lubrication through non critical areas (light metal to plastic friction)
Inox MX3 'Food Grade' (oil) - general oiling and in certain applications where it may come in contact with the lines of a reel.
Inox MX4 (oil) - Lanoline infused MX3 FG - great for dissimilar metal applications eg: stainless screw's in brass lugs within a aluminium frame. Lanoline content tends to hang around long after application and keep doing its job. The pure lanoline grease that Inox stocks is a highly pure lanoline base and again this would be great for application where dissimilar metal electrolysis exists - paint on or use as a barrier cream as such.
Inox MX5 (oil) - Bearings, shaft / pinion gear application and critical contact areas
Inox MX6 (grease) - Drag washers (drag stack), plastic to plastic contact - great for idle gears (nylon), screw in body grease, waterproofing application between body halves, rubber safe (friendly to Shimano reel handle rubber).
Inox MX8 (grease) - Great for brass to brass gears (planetary style) has a great tacky nature and stands up, a little cautious with direct Aluminium contact however stated as 'non corrosive and corrosion inhibiting'
Inox MX7 (fluid grease) - high levels of Teflon per volume (14%+), I have found this stuff quiet nice in sealed (2RS) bearings as a fill once for life application (FOFL).
Inox MX12 (Spray Lubricant - dry) - This would be a similar lubricant that Alan would use on bearings as a dry application, this sprays on wet and adheres to surfaces. My only issue is longevity throughout use as a dry lubricant in a bearing application. Do not use on some plastics - has a reaction with some plastics in my last usage (clothing zipper).
Now I have no specific affiliations with Inox any more however do buy their products regularly and remember fondly the vats out the back (and the smells) of the stuff being made - good times!!!
P.s. If anyone from Inox reads this (Head Office) - I really enjoyed my time there and love using Inox on my and others reels!
Andrew
Thank you for the information.
I recently found out for myself how the MX3 oil from the 125ml unpressurized pump spray bottle & the MX3 needle applicator bottle were not the same product. The information supplied by INOX on their website sweepingly suggests the MX3 is all the same but available in varying containers.
With this in mind, I decided to purchase the 125ml spray bottle costing a fraction more ($2) than the 60ml applicator bottle from the same shop. Seemed a no brainer to me to pay a little more for twice the amount of product. As I already have an MX3 applicator bottle that was nearly used up, I thought it was best to just refill it. Upon refilling I noticed how the colour of the two oils differed. Then after some use, I also found the oil from the pump spray bottle to be lighter in viscosity than that from the applicator bottle. I had to pay for my findings, but I'm glad Andrew has posted relevant information for the benefit of others.
I've been using MX5 and MX6 exclusively on my reels and have been happy with the results. I considered getting MX8 for gears but figured that I maintain them often enough that they will never run dry. Is there any issues with this you can see Andrew? Also, I really like the idea of one grease to rule them all (drag washers, gears, bearings, internals, plastic idlers etc)....
Cheers,
Andrew
Quote from: Fish-aholic on January 25, 2015, 04:35:41 PM
I recently found out for myself how the MX3 oil from the 125ml unpressurized pump spray bottle & the MX3 needle applicator bottle were not the same product. The information supplied by INOX on their website sweepingly suggests the MX3 is all the same but available in varying containers.
With this in mind, I decided to purchase the 125ml spray bottle costing a fraction more ($2) than the 60ml applicator bottle from the same shop. Seemed a no brainer to me to pay a little more for twice the amount of product. As I already have an MX3 applicator bottle that was nearly used up, I thought it was best to just refill it. Upon refilling I noticed how the colour of the two oils differed. Then after some use, I also found the oil from the pump spray bottle to be lighter in viscosity than that from the applicator bottle. I had to pay for my findings, but I'm glad Andrew has posted relevant information for the benefit of others.
For one 'Wow' you have it cheap over there! And secondly I was possibly the one that filled the MX3 needle point applicator somewhere along the line...
Differing viscosities hmm... Plausible, as the product is hand mixed and all blending done in house. I know that the virgin base oil is pretty good stuff and I cant see how it would vary in viscosity? As I said before I have no ties so there is no need to lie to you and in saying that all my oils are from the same batch and I find all my oils that I have to be quiet similar. If it is of concern I would shoot the head office here in Aus a email and ask them if there is a possibility that there would be varying viscosities between batches??
Being a lightweight oil its relative to its application and its need of reapplication in any given way. I know I ensure that I reapply every so often and on small spinning reels I apply on a day by day use down the pinion and the LH bearing.
Quote from: Ruffy on January 27, 2015, 04:35:20 AM
I've been using MX5 and MX6 exclusively on my reels and have been happy with the results. I considered getting MX8 for gears but figured that I maintain them often enough that they will never run dry. Is there any issues with this you can see Andrew? Also, I really like the idea of one grease to rule them all (drag washers, gears, bearings, internals, plastic idlers etc)....
Cheers,
Andrew
I couldnt see MX8 drying up inside a reel, unlike white lithium greases which are affected by water the MX8 Inox grease is a lot different as the guys upstairs had the terminology as a complex. It's gone through all sorts of mechanical trials and it performed admirably for all.
I ensure that I use the right grease for application and on some reels on some dissimilar / non contact scenarios I use different greases of varying NLGI ratings.
My only issue with MX6 is that it has a tendency to fling off high speed gears, on smaller / slower gear sets its good however eg: 6.5:1 + it can move on. The MX6 is one good grease thats tolerant to a lot of abuse however ensuring that you use it well is up to you.
Thanks,
Andrew
Inox MX6 (grease) - Drag washers (drag stack), plastic to plastic contact - great for idle gears (nylon), screw in body grease, waterproofing application between body halves, rubber safe (friendly to Shimano reel handle rubber).
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Its nice to see in print, someone, even if its not shimano, acknowledge that shimano's septon grip material is easily damaged by oils. Sadly shimano wont make an effort to at least warn its consumers of that fact in print.
Supposedly Shimano Australia was in the throwswith ttesting different oils etc on the septone grips...
Fortunately enough nothing came of it all... Typical of Shimano Australia.
I can safely say do not apply too much Inox MX3 or MX5 on or inside the handle assembly.
Safer to use MX6 grease as it's rubber compatible ;)
HI SALZMO,nice to have you here on alan,s site
why not use mx6 on everything inside and mx3 on the outside of the reel
cheers
This is great stuff, I use MX6 on all my CF drag washers.
Rgds
Mark
hi mfb
so do i,but im asking,drag, sideplates,packing bearings,etc;etc;
cheers
Hi Wallace,
I use a lithium based EP2 grease for all my bearings, if you want a grease with high washout resistance go to a calcium based one. This is not an issue for my type of fishing.
Rgds
Mark
we,ll see what salzmo says
he did say mx6 flys a bit at speed but the shields will be on
I have been using MX6 for just about every except the big grinders, which get MX8.
Haven't noticed any fling yet, but maybe I don't pack it on as thick. It is used in food prep machinery with brine and heat and stuff, so I would hope it sticks; mind you, if you want something impossible to remove then use MX8. It is supposed to be the duck's for boat trailer bearings so I would guess it should stay in a reel.
cheers
Steve
Quote from: wallacewt on January 31, 2015, 09:53:37 PM
why not use mx6 on everything inside and mx3 on the outside of the reel
Hi Wallace,
MX6 is a nice thin grease - however I believe that your fishing and my fishing back here in Australia is quiet different. You all here seem to be exposed to a lot more products than what were exposed to and the variety is just confusing to be honest.
MX6 comes in two grades of NLGI from what I know in my time there - its great to use in both guises however for larger OH reels I would be using the MX8 complex grease which is a lot more (quantifiable) tacky and this would be on stainless to stainless or stainless to brass or brass to brass gears.
I think that the MX6 even if used in the tub which has a higher NLGI than the MX6 in the tube wouldnt last that long on gears, due to the fact that it doesnt have as high a tackiness as other greases. For out smaller spinning gear I am a fan of MX6 as it gives a nice light rotation and it works well in bearings also!
Having shields on a bearing most of the grease will migrate to the outside upper reigion of the bearing or onto the inside of the shields, hence my application of a little MX5 Oil within the mix to further smooth down the grease - I find that it stays near the balls for a lot longer.
Its really finding a proper need for application and noticing the service interval that the grease / oils need to be replaced at. Nothing is going to last a full year unless the gear is not used - and by the looks of things on this forum it seems that a lot of people here put their gear to good use!
Thanks,
Slazmo
thank you sir
Hi Slazmo,
I had been buying MX6 in the 30g tubes when I decided to get a price on a 250g tub as I thought it may work out a bit cheaper. It did, at half the price. When it arrived though (I had to order it up to Darwin), the 250g tub has a totally different sticker and advertises itself as a rubber grease. Are they different forms of MX6? Have I just bought the wrong stuff? I was of the opinion that MX6 is just MX6.
Cheers,
Andrew
Oh, and I bought some MX8 for gears and packing bearings. Good stuff!
Hey Ruffy,
Same stuff! However the NLGI rating on the tubes is lighter than that in the tubs. I decant the tubes into a makeup jar (this before the smaller tub's) and use that dabbed onto my fingers for massaging into drag washers etc.
The Heavier grease from the tub would be just as good, however I wasnt at the Factory when it was there.
I do like the lighter NLGI stuff as its a lot creamier however the difference wouldn't be greatly noticeable at all - especially when you thin it down into a carbon washer or put into a bearing etc. I do have a larger 1kg tub of the MX6 but haven't gotten to using that just yet.
As its a fully synthetic grease its rubber safe and able to be used on tap washers, torch rubber seals and the like. Very good for the friction ring around the body of most spinning reels now days (under the rotor, so the roter doesn't spin freely when bail is up), as applying the wrong grease under that ring could make it swell and render it useless. MX6 is very safe with rubbers and plastics as I have used it on every torch I own and some of these are pretty pricey.
Andrew