I just saw this browsing the new products at tackle direct. It seems Penn has a new line of senators coming out with stainless gearing, aluminum frames, etc. Looks promising.
http://www.tackledirect.com/penn-us-senator-casting-reels.html
They look like updated versions of the Baja Special in narrow, std, and wide widths.
Doubtless they're fine reels, but I'll forever prefer the old reliable classics. 8)
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Quote from: George4741 on July 01, 2014, 03:38:35 AM
They look like updated versions of the Baja Special in narrow, std, and wide widths.
It sure does. I sold my 113 hn (Baja Special) because I was not using it. Now Penn is tempting me again. I sold the Baja Special to Wayne (El Pescador) and if I buy one of these he will think I scammed him. Dominick
You have that effect on people Dominick! ;) What was it? "Post sale dissonance", as you called it. A fancy word for scammed! ;D
Did the original Baja have stainless gears? It looks like an attempt at the Tank to me.
The US113N shows to hold a little more line than the 113HN. Otherwise, like was said, they sound like they are made from the Baja design
I sure like the fast gears for iron. A US 112N with bearings like the Chinese 112H would be pretty cool.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on July 01, 2014, 05:36:31 AM
I sure like the fast gears for iron. A US 112N with bearings like the Chinese 112H would be pretty cool.
Ron
I know that Penn watches this site. I want to say how impressed I am with their decision to produce these reels. I hope they are a financial success.
The next series of these reels should be a 112H and 112HN. I'm mainly interested in the latter size, myself.
Quote from: George4741 on July 01, 2014, 03:38:35 AM
They look like updated versions of the Baja Special in narrow, std, and wide widths.
This.
Quote from: Dominick on July 01, 2014, 04:02:34 AM
Quote from: George4741 on July 01, 2014, 03:38:35 AM
They look like updated versions of the Baja Special in narrow, std, and wide widths.
It sure does. I sold my 113 hn (Baja Special) because I was not using it. Now Penn is tempting me again. I sold the Baja Special to Wayne (El Pescador) and if I buy one of these he will think I scammed him. Dominick
Dominick, you are the most honest & ethical guy I know, but what happened to the red wine you left on your porch for me??? ??? ::)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 01, 2014, 04:59:08 AM
You have that effect on people Dominick! ;) What was it? "Post sale dissonance", as you called it. A fancy word for scammed! ;D
Did the original Baja have stainless gears? It looks like an attempt at the Tank to me.
Funny.
As far as SS gears, I don't remember. I'll ask Wayne if he remembers. He had the nerve to take apart a reel I sold him. ;D Dominick
Quote from: El Pescador on July 01, 2014, 02:10:53 PM
Dominick, you are the most honest & ethical guy I know, but what happened to the red wine you left on your porch for me??? ??? ::)
er um er someone er zombies maybe? Dominick
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 01, 2014, 04:59:08 AM
Did the original Baja have stainless gears? It looks like an attempt at the Tank to me.
Yes, they always were stainless. Take a look at the tutorial Alan did for the 113HN for a look at the guts. I think you will find that the Tank is trying to be one of them :).
Maybe one day I will see a magged squidder comeback? Wishful thinking
I have never fished the Baja, but have opened a few. Personally I was never impressed with what I've seen on that reel, but that's just me ;D. Still, very nice for Penn to come out with those, there are a bunch that really like them.
Nice line of reels.
I am assuming the narrow US Senator will be replacing the Baja Special model.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 01, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
I have never fished the Baja, but have opened a few. Personally I was never impressed with what I've seen on that reel, but that's just me ;D. Still, very nice for Penn to come out with those, there are a bunch that really like them.
Don't worry Sal, they will never be the Tank...like comparing a classic muscle car to one of the modern re-issues, both are nice, both get you from point A to point B, one may be nicer getting there, but there is something about the original that just feels right and genuine; even more special if you built it yourself.
For live bait fishing and/or casting, I'd take a Baja over the Tank. The free spool for a small baitfish to swim is just better. For digging a Grouper up and away from the rocks, nothing wrong with a customized tank.
How is the freespool of one any better than the other for bait? I can see haw the 113HNs disengaging spool spins better for casting but it would have to be a tiny tiny pinhead of a chovie that could spin a Baja and not a YTS.
Ron
I hope they smoothed off the edges of the inside of those crossbars on the frame.
So we have a Senator, Special Senator, Baja Special, and now a US Senator... but still no Baby Baja? :P
So far it sounds promising. Hope they kept the trusty spring loaded dogs. A little too much silver for my taste but I guess it pays homage to the old Penns with chrome spools. Can't wait to see one torn apart.
Looks like they are learning from us. One thing that really stood out for me in the ad was the Wet HT-100 system. I just rebuilt two 113s and installed the Wet HT 100 system that was learned here.
they are 20 years late....... :-\
May consider the US113N as a replacement for my modified Okuma Catalina CT-55N whenever it blows up and cannot be repaired.
Quote from: Newell Nut on July 03, 2014, 11:20:14 AM
Looks like they are learning from us. One thing that really stood out for me in the ad was the Wet HT-100 system. I just rebuilt two 113s and installed the Wet HT 100 system that was learned here.
I agree. Penn is paying attention.
Quote from: skrilla on July 03, 2014, 08:32:23 AM
So far it sounds promising. Hope they kept the trusty spring loaded dogs.
I'm wondering if they're double dogged like the Baja's?
The Baja's specs list it, these don't.
Quote from: ChileRelleno on July 04, 2014, 03:10:08 AM
Quote from: skrilla on July 03, 2014, 08:32:23 AM
So far it sounds promising. Hope they kept the trusty spring loaded dogs.
I'm wondering if they're double dogged like the Baja's?
The Baja's specs list it, these don't.
That would be surprising. Double dogs aren't exactly an exotic modification.
Looks to me like they took a page out of Tiburon's book... there seems to be no inside trim rings.
It's tough finding info about this reel because when I type in "Penn US Senator" I get Pennsylvania's United States Senators. Testing my google skills with this one ;)
Thanks
Dom
Somewhere, I remember Tunanorth saying that these reels were the same as the Baja just a different color scheme and widths. Not really any extra engineering involved for Penn to make these from the original Baja. The baby Baja would have to be engineered and machines retooled to manufacture them, hence, no baby Baja yet.
Name would have looked better on the side plate :-\
Dom, try penn us senator reels...
Sideplates should still be red, doesn't make any sense to me. The stronger Senators are red. I will continue to build Newelled Senators and be happy.
Ron
Hey, we all thought the 113 metal senator wasn't worth it ...until we got a look after they discontinued it :-\
Worth a look, I suppose.
Dom
Broadway, they may not have gotten the idea from Tiburon because the Baja Special was first produced about 10 years ago and there was a 114H with a full aluminum frame. I don't think either of these used inside rings.
Yeah, that's true. I guess I was just thinking that they realized it's the way to go, but I forgot the Baja didn't have inner rings.
Should've known when no comments before mine noticed it, duh!
Thanks Ben,
Dom
Quote from: alantani on July 03, 2014, 04:07:01 PM
they are 20 years late....... :-\
Yep , I see these as competing with the trinidad and they come second. Shimano just bought out a new line of small ocean jiggers too. Penn should have bought out a one piece framed , narrow , double dogged 1/0 size senator or even a 3/0.
I think Penn has a market sector that it still tries to cater to. For reasons no more practical than tradition I''m happy for that. The line rating of these reels have to go up if you don't use mono, but they sure are cool reels.
On a practical note, any of the current 25N star drags reels from Penn is possibly the only non trolling reel you need.
Ron
They are all at different price points I guess, I'd have my trini 16na over the squall any day though.I had a baja special for years and used it for mechanical jigging and deepwater fishing, I sold it after I scored a trini 40n though.
I they bought out a 1/0 or 3/0 version of those senators I would be very tempted to get one though.
I think this link will provide the answers to our speculations... Strait from a Penn rep.
http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/return-of-american-made-senators.542073/#post-3450899
Quote from: spottybastard on July 06, 2014, 06:01:56 AM
I think this link will provide the answers to our speculations... Strait from a Penn rep.
http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/return-of-american-made-senators.542073/#post-3450899
Gotta love the clown who asks, "With all the great reels on the market, why would you want to fish with a Senator?"
Sigh... (http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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There will always be Haters Aiala. Let them spend their money, constantly replace bearings, lose their drag and have the plates pop off. ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 08, 2014, 04:50:36 PM
There will always be Haters Aiala. Let them spend their money, constantly replace bearings, lose their drag and have the plates pop off. ;)
I know, Mr. Shark. It's more than a bit depressing the way so many folks have no recollection of a time when the proud phrase "Made in the USA" stood for unparalleled
quality.
I'm getting too dang old. (http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/images/smilies/frown.gif)
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Why would you want to fish with a Senator, because it is a Senator that's why!! :)
Quote from: Jerseymic on July 08, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Why would you want to fish with a Senator, because it is a Senator, that's why!! :)
Amen, Brother! Can I get a witness?! (http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/images/smilies/generic/clap)
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Quote from: Aiala on July 08, 2014, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: Jerseymic on July 08, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Why would you want to fish with a Senator, because it is a Senator, that's why!! :)
Amen, Brother! Can I get a witness?! (http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/images/smilies/generic/clap)
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:D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 08, 2014, 11:49:38 PM
Quote from: Aiala on July 08, 2014, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: Jerseymic on July 08, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Why would you want to fish with a Senator, because it is a Senator, that's why!! :)
Amen, Brother! Can I get a witness?! (http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/images/smilies/generic/clap)
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:D
:D :D
Where would they be without our senators ::)
There's an awesome post in the BDOutdoors SOCALOffshore section about some guys that ran into some big BFT and were trolling with their standard live baits sticks (http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/we-brought-knives-to-a-gun-fight-but.546658/) that got spooled super fast.
I planted a little seed that just maybe they could up their trolling game with some simple reels with good cranking power. :)
A used Senator 6/0 can still be found for ~$50 and might have made their report even more epic for less than the price of the gas they burned that day.
:D