Has anyone seen a setup like this? This was in an old 112h that I'm refurbing. In addition the inside was chock full of wheel bearing grease, but I see that every once in a while on these old reels.
(http://www.haroldrr.com/pics/weird.jpg)
Yes, I've seen them before, most on the 6/0's . Those white ones are Teflon, we don't like them here, but some claim that they work.
I don't understand why a person would use one carbon fiber and the others Teflon. That is pretty much putting the entire load on the one carbon fiber washer. The brass washers on either side of the carbon fiber are pretty well used up.
I like the idea of Teflon or Delron above and below the gear (if space permits), but not in the working drag stack itself.
The ones I've seen had all Teflon washers, the 6/0's had one Teflon at the top, that does make sense to me.
What happened with yours was that the Teflon is more slippery than carbon fiber washers, so when cranking down on the drags the carbon fiber locked up, while the Teflon was still spinning... not a good combination.
I can't tell you how many old drag stacks I've broken apart with an old pocket knife and a leather mallet -- every time I do that, I wonder why I wasted the time -- should have just chucked them and put in drag greased HT100s with SS washers.
A lot of the old Penns have weird drag set ups -- interesting sometimes.
If the Teflon drags get hot enough -- that is another issue.
Fred, Teflon supposed to be heat resistant. I've read somewhere up to 550degree will still function as it should.
You're right Sal --
I was thinking about those white nylon ones that folks sometimes put into a reel.
I think it was in about 1980 when I bought my 990 magpower and had a set of teflon washers put in. The asbestos drag that it came with was so jerky that I was afraid to fish more than two or three pounds of drag for fear I would pop the thirty pound test.
Of course, then I hooked something that I could hardly even slow down. The drag was smooth alright, but I couldn't get any pressure on it. Thank goodness the HT100's became available about that time. Still have that reel, with the same set of HT100 washers (with the addition of Cal's grease).
I've only came across one reel with the Teflon Washers. It was a 10/0.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/10teflonwashers_zps49b6b821.jpg)
yeah, a friend of mine tried to sell me on these about 10 years ago. they were horrible. after all these years, greased carbon fiber is still the only drag system i will use. nothing else. :-\
X2 on that Boss! ;)
Nobody is going to hazard a guess on why the person used a combination of teflon and carbon fiber? ???
Quote from: Lensters on August 05, 2014, 06:18:42 AM
Nobody is going to hazard a guess on why the person used a combination of teflon and carbon fiber? ???
A combination of carbon fiber and Teflon washers has been used for a while now and still used today by Penn on some reels today:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-750SP.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-750SP.aspx)
My guess on your question is smoothness, he was after smoothness, but used the wrong layout.
I'm starting to use Delrin instead of Teflon and my reels feel much smoother than having all carbon fiber washers.
Mine are set in a different layout, but still the same principal, I am using a combination of both.
A Delrin washer under the gear will make the reel feel much smoother than a carbon fiber washer there.
I'm liking it and doing it on all of my reels.
This is only my opinion, the rest is up to you.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
I like the idea of a delrin washer under the gear, then all greased carbon fiber. I'm going to try that.
Quote from: Lensters on August 05, 2014, 06:18:42 AM
Nobody is going to hazard a guess on why the person used a combination of teflon and carbon fiber? ???
might have been just what he had available at the time.
Quote from: floating doc on August 05, 2014, 06:58:46 PM
I like the idea of a delrin washer under the gear, then all greased carbon fiber. I'm going to try that.
yeah, been mulling this one over for a while, but i think i'll sit back and see how you guys do. i'll stick to carbon fiber for now, but good luck with the delrin project!
Delrin on the way Boss! ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 07, 2014, 05:24:04 AM
Delrin on the way Boss! ;)
Do you buy sheets and cut the washers?
Yes, you want some too? PM me your address.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 07, 2014, 05:24:04 AM
Delrin on the way Boss! ;)
thanks, but i'll pass for now. too much stuff going on. the youngest daughter is starting marching band camp and suddenly i'm swamped trying to help out.
Quote from: alantani on August 07, 2014, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 07, 2014, 05:24:04 AM
Delrin on the way Boss! ;)
thanks, but i'll pass for now. too much stuff going on. the youngest daughter is starting marching band camp and suddenly i'm swamped trying to help out.
Some people are so hard to convince ::) ;D
We will turn him, sooner or later Sal. ;)
While I am sure the delrin washers are excellent -- I would like them to be pre cut, maybe Dawn has these?
I'm far from lazy, but when there are 15 reels on the bench to get done, it just makes more sense for me to throw in a greased CF as an under gear washer -- then take the time to measure, cut, and restart the servicing process.
While it is true that I could cut up a couple of hundred various sizes ahead of time -- I probably would consider that too tedious and unproductive. Got to keep the line moving...
When I do my own reels, I will probably try the delrin.
Fred
Yes Fred, Dawn did state that she has those in different sizes, that's what I would recommend and they're ridiculously cheap.
I would like for you to do one reel and compare it to others, forget about the top of the stack, just place one delrin under the gear.
Top of the stack? Did I miss something?
No, nothing at all, we're also trying to get delrin washers and spacers for the top of the stack, but that can wait for now.
Thanks for the info, Sal --
I'll order an assortment of the sizes I use the most from Dawn.
99% of the reels I work on get an under gear washer anyway.
Sort of like doing a flywheel resurface, clutch, and pressure plate on a car -- then not doing the pilot bearing when you have it apart.
Best,
Fred
Daron, ya got'em cut for 9s & 12s?
I'd like to try'em if ya do.
Send me your digits Bruh. I'll send you some. ;) I'm going to punch a bunch this weekend.