Ok guys, so I figured out why the clicker stopped working on my spare 349M as you can see by the pic. It looks like it broke off. Don't know how but it did. Is there and easy trick to get it out or just drill it or cut it off ? Also, will the 114H clicker and button with the c-clip replace it ? While I'm at it, is there a 1+5 drag kit available for this ? I know Penn Parts doesn't make a replacement any more for this reel so I'm looking for options. Thanks. Richy
Yep, Richy --
Only way is to drill and cut from the inside -- replace the clicker knob with hopefully one that will take the "C" clip. Grease it up when installing where it goes through the Sideplate and under the clicker tongue. Installing a SS "C" clip will be preferable.
If you only have a straight shaft dome clicker knob that will not accept a "C" clip -- one can peen the shaft over carefully with a small hammer -- the metal is soft enough to do this with no problem.
There are some knowledgeable folks on here who will know about the drags available. A good upgrade will help.
Best,
Fred
I have some metal 349H washers and possibly some 349 ones to make a 5 washer drag stack in stock. You will have to use either 113H CF washers (slightly smaller OD) or reform Carbontex ones.
Thanks guys. Fred, I was hoping for an easy trick but kinda new it would have to be drilled and cut. Can't blame a guy for trying ! LOL. Lee, would the smaller OD. CF washers make any noticeable difference in the drag compared to the stock OD. ? The 113H's are a lot easier for me to get. Assuming I would need thinner metal washers to go with it correct. These are my standard reels for trolling Striped Bass and Blues up here. Been using them for 30+ yrs. with nary a problem. Have about 5 of them my 86yr. old father gave me years ago set up with Monel wire. Still trying to get the 2 BRAND NEW ONES in boxes that he has for spares out of him but he AIN'T given them up ! LOL. Thanks for the help. Richy
Five of the 113H washers will give you more and smoother drag than the stock 3 washer set. You will need a set of my .045" metal washers, or anyone else's set if you can find them. I have a few sets and I think Dawn at Smooth Drag might also have some for the "H" gear set.
Listen to your father and leave the NIB ones in their boxes, they are valuable as is, and get some rats to fish with. I make sure mine are well washed and relubed every time I take them out.
I can cut new clicker dogs if 113H ones do not work but my material is too thick and the parts need to be hand honed to "fix" the "problem". I will do this for my parts for my personal reels and can be convinced to do it if it will get another 349 back on the water.
To keep me from jumping on them you might look at these spare parts,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-349-Master-Mariner-side-plates-with-internals-STAINLESS-RINGS-LUGS-/141440698424?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ee85c838 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-349-Master-Mariner-side-plates-with-internals-STAINLESS-RINGS-LUGS-/141440698424?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ee85c838)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-PENN-REEL-PART-349H-Master-Mariner-Conventional-Left-Side-Plate-RED-D-/290986408844?pt=US_Taxidermy&hash=item43c0243b8c (http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-PENN-REEL-PART-349H-Master-Mariner-Conventional-Left-Side-Plate-RED-D-/290986408844?pt=US_Taxidermy&hash=item43c0243b8c)
OK Lee, thanks. Should I change to Dawn's Carbontex also or are the HT100's ok? Anywho, will check with her as I will probably redo all of them after this season is over. Thanks. Richy
Quote from: CaptainRMF on October 22, 2014, 03:16:07 PM
OK Lee, thanks. Should I change to Dawn's Carbontex also or are the HT100's ok? Anywho, will check with her as I will probably redo all of them after this season is over. Thanks. Richy
I prefer Carbontex over HT-100 but it's because Smooth Drag and Dawn are so easy to do business with....and Dawn is a great person. Both are good.
New clicker,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-PART-NEW-REPLACEMENT-CLICK-TONGUE-035-114-114-114H-349-1182915-/380892654147?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58aef8aa43 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-PART-NEW-REPLACEMENT-CLICK-TONGUE-035-114-114-114H-349-1182915-/380892654147?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58aef8aa43)
Oky Doky Lee. Haven't had the pleasure of dealing with her yet but looking forward to it. Have dealt with Scott's B&T before only cause I'm in New Jersey also but if I'm gonna get the metals from her might as well get all of it there. And make a new friend besides. Also thanks for the link. Richy
The Penn 114H click tongue, button, and clip will fit this reel. You can knock the old button out. If you need them I can send them to you. Just shoot me a PM.
Keith
Scott's is another good place to spend our $. If Dawn is out of thin 349H metal washers I have some.
OK Guys, Thanks. Will keep in touch if I need more help. PS : I LOVE THIS SITE !!!!! Thought I new a lot about Penn's but found out here that I haven't even scratched the surface yet. I'm ADDICTED here now. Even check this site before my email site in the mornings. Great info and a great bunch of guys here. THANKS. Richy
If Dawn is out, Alan Tani had about 5 sets of the old stock that I discovered fishing for parts and should be in his metal drag washers organizer.
Richy,
Before you order some metal drag washers and some HT100 or carbontex, we need to know if you have the low or hi-speed version. They have different size washers. You can't tell by the model # embossed on the sideplate. Both models have "349" on them. The low-speed retrieve ratio is 1 to 2.25 and the hi-speed is approximately 1 to 3.25.
George
Thanks George, didn't know that. That's what I mean about this site, "I got a lot more to learn". Haven't taken the gear side apart yet. When I do I'll check the gear ratio before ordering anything. Thanks. Richy
The gear sets are mixed up, the main gear on the left and the pinion on the right are for a 349H (high speed) the main gear on the right and pinion on the left are for a 349 (low speed). With the exception of the gears, yoke and drag stack all other parts for 349s and 349H reels are the same.
The drag stack on the right is the original Penn stack, the one on the left was something I was tinkering with... ;D
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg.html)
Hey Lee, that 7 stack is impressive, did it work ? If I wanted to, would I be able to swap out to the high speed gear set without to much modification, say just the main, pinion and yoke or does the sleeve need to be changed too ?
The 7+1 drag stack works but I only cut 5+1 sets now, that's what I use in all but one of my 349's.
Yes, change the main gear, pinion gear, yoke and drag stack and you have a different gear ratio reel. A quick way to determine if your reel is a 349H or a 349 is to take the handle arm and star off then try to remove the drag stack, the 349H eared washers will not come out.
You can use a 113H gear sleeve if you have to replace one, they are not the same as a 349 gear sleeve (the AR ratchet has a larger OD on the 349/349H) but they will work. Installing a SS gear sleeve is the #1 upgrade for these reels.
Lee thanks so much for the help. Didn't take gears out yet, been busy taken care of Dad, but just did a quick check tuning the handle one full turn and counting 3 plus turns on the pinion gear so I think I got lucky with "H" gears. Will double check when I strip it down. Thanks. Richy
Mornin Guys. Just a note that I stripped it down this morning and luckily it's 3.25 gears. Will be soaking and cleaning today and get in touch with Dawn first chance I get., thanks. Also, always thought these reels were ball bearings. These look like bushings holding the spool in. Yes or no ? Thanks. Richy
Quote from: CaptainRMF on October 23, 2014, 03:58:22 PMAlso, always thought these reels were ball bearings. These look like bushings holding the spool in. Yes or no ? Thanks. Richy
Yes, the 349/349H uses plain bearings (bushings).
Lee --
Can the bushings be replaced with bearings, in these 349s?
I know that we can get good bearings for almost any size Side-plate hole -- just need the three measurements -- and quality of the bearing you recommend.
Sounds like a fairly cheap and worthwhile upgrade.
Best,
Fred
Guess that's why I come here Lee, learn something new everyday. Been praising these reels for 45+ yrs. to my friends swearing they had ball bearings. OOPS ! I like Fred's idea about the bearings. If they work and lasted this long with bushings, OH the possibilities with bearings. Thanks guys. Richy
Quote from: foakes on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Lee --
Can the bushings be replaced with bearings, in these 349s?
I know that we can get good bearings for almost any size Side-plate hole -- just need the three measurements -- and quality of the bearing you recommend.
Sounds like a fairly cheap and worthwhile upgrade.
Best,
Fred
Anything is possible but why replace something that works so well with something that requires more maintenance and are more prone to failure? I've never had a plain bearing (bushing) fail before they were worn beyond reasonable use. Penn part #26-349 and #40-349 bearings are hard to find, grab them if you ever locate some.
Yeah, Lee --
You are right -- I also have never seen a bushing fail -- except when the rest of the reel is also trashed from poor or no maintenance.
I just have always preferred bearings when available -- and of course they get cleaned and lubed when the reel is serviced regularly.
Thanks,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on October 23, 2014, 06:57:26 PM
.... and of course they get cleaned and lubed when the reel is serviced regularly.
Mine are too.
Quote from: foakes on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Lee --
Can the bushings be replaced with bearings, in these 349s?
I know that we can get good bearings for almost any size Side-plate hole -- just need the three measurements -- and quality of the bearing you recommend.
Sounds like a fairly cheap and worthwhile upgrade.
Best,
Fred
No need Fred, the 114H narrowed is a much better reel in many ways.
I do like the 349, but like the 114h narrow a little more...just my opinion ;)
Hi Richy, I was able to fit five 0.5mm thick carbon washers (cut from a sheet I bought of Wallace) with the standard brass washers into a 349H gear. I think with Lee's thinner metal washers and 0.5 mm carbon I could fit 7. Lee, what thickness carbon washers are in your 7 stack?
Sal, what about putting ceramic bearings in your magged 49 with the 349 bridge upgrade? ;D
Michael
Quote from: mhc on October 24, 2014, 07:13:20 AM
Lee, what thickness carbon washers are in your 7 stack?
I think .035" but I played with .020" too. The metal washers are .035".
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 23, 2014, 10:04:18 PM
No need Fred, the 114H narrowed is a much better reel in many ways.
No fair! The 114H is in a different class of reel, the 114H is much stronger but also heavier. I also like the width of the 349/349H better than a 114HN, if someone made a NN frame the 114HNN would be fit my needs.
I've got a brand new 5-349 main gear. It looks like it's a steel gear and not a brass one. Don't know if it's a 349 or a 349H though. Will the number of teeth be different on the main gear or the pinion gear or both? I've got a bag full of pinion gears that don't have numbers so I have no idea what they go to. :( No telling what all parts I do have that are not marked. Guess that's what I get for buying things like that! I also have a set of 6-349 if anybody ever wants an original set.
Quote from: Keta on October 24, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: mhc on October 24, 2014, 07:13:20 AM
Lee, what thickness carbon washers are in your 7 stack?
I think .035" but I played with .020" too. The metal washers are .035".
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 23, 2014, 10:04:18 PM
No need Fred, the 114H narrowed is a much better reel in many ways.
No fair! The 114H is in a different class of reel, the 114H is much stronger but also heavier. I also like the width of the 349/349H better than a 114HN, if someone made a NN frame the 114HNN would be fit my needs.
The 349 with line weighs in at 3lbs. 3oz., the narrowed 114H, also with line is exactly the same 3lbs. 3oz.
Plates are also the same height, but the 114H are much beefier.
ID on spool is 1 1/2" on the 349 and 1 3/4" on the 114H. The 114H appears to be much wider because of the wider plates, but it's only 1/4" more.
With no upgrades I do consider these reels to be in the same class.
The 114H has a beefier spool shaft, beefier screws, bridge, gears and a few other things.
As stated above, I do like the 349... great reel, But, I like the 114HN a little more.
And I love my 114HNs.