Found an old Penn #85 kicking around was thinking of upgrading it. Maybe a new spool and handle anyone know where to find parts for this reel.
And is it worth the upgrade i'd just use it for jigging and poss. cut bait.
Thanks in advance for any help.
ScottJ
If you put on a new spool and new handle, you'll have a Del Mar 285. Stick in carbon fiber drag washers and you're left with a reel that will pull maybe 8 pounds of drag with a 2.5:1 retrieve ratio. That will catch fish but for me at least, it's not something I'd really want to use...
I looked on SB&T site and they said this was a 85 seaboy at a 3.1:1 no??
I like the size of the 85 for inshore bottom bouncing but like Akfish said they are a bit slow with limited drag.
MysticParts (Mystic Reel Parts) do list the seaboy 85 gear ratio at 3.1:1 although the 85 I have appears to be around 2.5:1. The spool rotates approx 2.5 times for one revolution of the handle :-\
I don't know what year mine is - it is a dark brown model with the aluminum spool and three carbon fibre drag washers which makes me think it is a later model.
As far as upgrades go, the 85 uses a 98-155 gear sleeve so there are a number of handles, jigmaster incuded, that will fit.
Below is a photo with the original 24-85 at the left followed by a 24-155, 24-66 and 24-56.
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The aluminum spool 29L-85 is available from SB&T at around $27. There is also a stainless gear sleeve available 98-155AT at around $27.
It's up to you if it's worth it - maybe if you can get cheap used parts and don't mind slow retrieve or need a lot of drag.
Michael
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
I really like this reel. I have 2 I made for my daughters with CF drags and SS spools. Mine get 10#s of drag with a 66 star and not to much effort. I loaded them with 300 yards of PP and filled the rest with 30# Big Game.
I have another I use myself with SS gear sleeve, aluminum spool, the big Jigmaster arm and handle (24-56 with the old torpedo handle I think) and a steel gear. I will be getting a 5+1 stack from Bryan after the New Year for this reel and will use it for mid water cod loaded with 600 yards of 40# braid and the rest 40# floro. The 5+1 stack will give me way more than enough drag for even 60# but it isn't a huge spool.
These reels are cheap, but they are great when upgraded and the slow ratio works for certain bait presentations. I just wish there was a Newell kit for one.
Ron
The 85 is not a bad reel, yes a little slow, but speed is not always required. According to my calculations the ratio on this reel is 2 1/3 :1 n not 2.5:1 or 3.1:1.
Most 85 that I've opened come with a brass pinion, you could change it with the longbeach 60 pinion, which is steel.
I'm going to disagree with Bill (Akfish) on drag numbers.
Penn rates the jigmaster at 14lbs max, the 85 could definitely do better.
I recently acquired a bad shape 85. I should really be working on bigger and better things, but She is calling me.
Broken down, busted spool, Green parts. She Deserves better.
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For some reason, there was a 65 stand in this mess. That got the wheels turning.
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66 Stand, Long Beach 65 ss spool, 112H posts and handle. The only real upgrade was the leather drags to 6-60's and the ss Hex screws.
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She lives again.
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Shouldn't it be a 65 stand & a 65 spool? Now it's a Sea Boy 190 .
The 85 doesn't have the inner metal reinforcing rings like those found on the Long Beach 60. Shimano TLD graphite frames have failed and I'm sure on the 85, if pushed far enough, a sideplate will fail at the screw holes where it attaches to the reel stand. I think you should be gentle on the drag with your 85 or get a stronger reel.
I'm playing with a 5+1 and 5+Delrin set up (.020" CF and keyed washers, stock Penn eared washers) in a much smaller 5-155 main gear (Monofil 25) and I'm seeing over 15# of drag, the larger 5-60 should be able to reach this with a 5 washer stack.
Bryan sent me a bunch for the 5-60 gears when he first started. Those are very nice the reels feel great. I've asked him for the 5-155 a long time ago, but it got lost along the way.
It's not just about more drags, these little reels feel great with that much more travel with the star.
Inserts would be worthless in these, the 5+1 would be great.
Daron, I like those reels, they turn most off because of their speed, all have their place. I'm glad you decided to give it more life, I wouldn't be too concerned with the plates, as you could see for yourself, those are pretty thick.
That little reel can hold its own.
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 08, 2015, 02:55:03 PM
I've asked him for the 5-155 a long time ago, but it got lost along the way.
I think they are in the works, I passed the information I got to Bryan. As of now I'm hand grinding the OD of the keyed and CF washers.
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Scottj,
You've heard several opinions on the strength of the 85 sideplates. Maybe someone will push the envelope and see how well their reel holds up. Regardless, I think the 85 is a fine reel for rockfish with 25-30 lb mono.
George
Daron, if you widened your 85 with a 65 spool and stand, what should we call it? Since a Delmar 285 is essentially an 85, and a widened 285 is called a 286, then yours should be an 86. ;)
George, if you put a 65 spool in a Sea Boy 85 it's still a Sea Boy but a 190. If you put an 85 spool in a Lb 60 is it Sea Boy 60? It's still a LB 60. RUDY
Rudy, I'm just playing around with names/numbers. ;D There are two different 190 reels. The original 190 is a direct drive without drag washers and uses a 180 sized spool. The newer 190, as you may know, has a larger main gear than an 85, and uses the same size drag washers as a jigmaster. Daron's widened 85 (aka 86 ;)) with -60 size washers is a different animal. Nah, I would never call a Long Beach a Seaboy, regardless of what spool it has.
Penn has created much confusion and their model numbers can be irritating. For example, I believe Long Beach 60's can be found with either a plastic or metal spool. They are still a Long beach 60, regardless of spools. The 85 and 285 are basically the same reel and I've seen both with either a plastic or metal spool. They use different bridges/gear sleeves, but they can be swapped around, too.
George
Quote from: George4741 on March 08, 2015, 04:58:35 PM
Rudy, I'm just playing around with names/numbers. ;D There are two different 190 reels. The original 190 is a direct drive without drag washers and uses a 180 sized spool. The newer 190, as you may know, has a larger main gear than an 85, and uses the same size drag washers as a jigmaster. Daron's widened 85 (aka 86 ;)) with -60 size washers is a different animal. Nah, I would never call a Long Beach a Seaboy, regardless of what spool it has.
Penn has created much confusion and their model numbers can be irritating. For example, I believe Long Beach 60's can be found with either a plastic or metal spool. They are still a Long beach 60, regardless of spools. The 85 and 285 are basically the same reel and I've seen both with either a plastic or metal spool. They use different bridges/gear sleeves, but they can be swapped around, too.
George
George, Penn says there is no aluminum spool for a LB 65 but if you get a 1990 up Sea Boy 190 aluminum spool it will fit a LB 65 & it's still a Lb 65. Or do we call it by the original model name & number & add Modified to the end & add to the confusion? Like LB 65 Mod ?? ;D
Quote from: RowdyW on March 08, 2015, 07:47:14 AM
Shouldn't it be a 65 stand & a 65 spool? Now it's a Sea Boy 190 .
Its Actually a 30-66 stand and a 29M-65 stainless spool with 112H Bars.
the 65 stand that came with it didn't have the rod clamp
That is what I had laying around and it works.
I missed that a 66 stand will fit 85 side plates with a 65 spool. If that is the case then I think a 190 aluminum spool would work. I believe that what you end up with is a slow 112H, and for live bait there is nothing wrong with that.
Ron
A late 190 spool is the only way I know of to get an aluminum spool into a LB 65. SB&T only lists s/s & plastic for the 65. So if you want to lighten up a 65 grab a 190 aluminum spool.
Quote from: George4741 on March 08, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Scottj,
You've heard several opinions on the strength of the 85 sideplates. Maybe someone will push the envelope and see how well their reel holds up. Regardless, I think the 85 is a fine reel for rockfish with 25-30 lb mono.
George
Daron, if you widened your 85 with a 65 spool and stand, what should we call it? Since a Delmar 285 is essentially an 85, and a widened 285 is called a 286, then yours should be an 86. ;)
I Like it George. My Penn 86! ;D
A short story about what could have happened:
After one of the Penn R&D folks created a widened version of the Delmar 285, now known as the 286, it was only natural to widen the Seaboy 85. R&D presented the proposed reel to the advertising and accounting folks for their input. The head guy, we'll call him BC (short for Bean Counter) said "86 that." The R&D guy, who was mostly deaf from exposure to artillery fire in WWI, said "That sounds like a great idea. Since a widened 285 is now the 286, it's only natural that the similarly widened 85 will be called the 86." BC said "No, no, I mean I want to 86 this reel! Kill it, sink it, toss it into Davy Jones Locker! Do not put it into production! We have too many similar reels as it is and you guys are driving me crazy!" Dejectedly, Deaf Guy held the wonderful creation in his shaking hands and left the office, self-esteem so totally destroyed that he never created another reel during what was left of his short career at Penn. He died a broken man in a flop house on skid row in Portland, empty Carling Black Label bottles littering the floor around his bed, while awaiting a tramp steamer to Shanghai. Thankfully, good ideas never die and Deaf Guy would be elated to know that more than three generations later his reel would be revived, in design and name, by another Renaissance man who also had a vision. We all know this man by the name of Shark Hunter.
Now you know the strange story behind the creation and name of the Seaboy 86. ::)
Published with permission from Daron.
Thanks Buddy,
George
Quote from: George4741 on March 13, 2015, 04:42:31 AM
Now you know the strange story behind the creation and name of the Seaboy 86. ::)
Thanks George (and Daron), I had no idea! All this time I thought the one we call Shark Hunter was just fooling around with reel modifications like the rest of us but he has been on a noble quest to resurrect the dreams of those that went before us. I'm going to look at widening my 85 - we owe it to the deaf guy. ;D
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mhc, glad you like the story and Daron's reel. ;)