I recently purchased the Metaloid 5II. I tore it down and did the pre-fishing service on it and added a spool bearing sleeve. CorrosionX in the spool bearings, Shimano drag grease for the drag washer, and Penn grease everywhere else. A couple things I noticed after getting it back together are that the drag curve was improved so now there is now a steady increase in drag from free to strike, but my free spool time decreased from about 50-60 seconds down to about 15-20 seconds. The other problem I noticed is there is now slight binding/resistance when cranking the handle as the drag pressure is increased. Any ideas what may be causing these issues?
tear it down again, check the bearings, put it back together again and chances are it will work. frustrating as it may be, this often works. it's just some little glitch.
however, it actually sounds like a right main side plate bearing. when you're fiddling with any of these lever drag reels, it is possible to damage the bearing. you can advance the preset knob too much, throw the lever forward, give the reel just a few cranks and crunch the bearing. and if you throw the lever to full, you might even be able to damage the left spool bearing. it's hard to do, but possible. you might have to tear down the reel again and check the spoo bearings and the right main side plate bearing......... :-\
maximum drag at strike that i got was 17.5 lbs with the spool sleeve.
I made very sure not to set the drag to high. After re-assembly I slowly brought the preset up to 10lbs at strike and this is when i noticed the binding
I will pull the reel apart today and take a look at everything.
Alan, when you say check the bearings, what exactly am I looking for?
Quote from: MattT21 on January 03, 2015, 07:09:45 PM
I made very sure not to set the drag to high. After re-assembly I slowly brought the preset up to 10lbs at strike and this is when i noticed the binding
For a reel this size with no thrust bearing to protect from handle binding a 10lb preset is about what you would expect I would think?
Quote from: maxpowers on January 03, 2015, 06:42:43 PM
maximum drag at strike that i got was 17.5 lbs with the spool sleeve.
Maxpowers,
Did you notice any binding or loss of free spool at 17.5 lbs?
no bindings. there is some resistance on high gears but very little resistance in low gear. what was your sleeve measurement in mm. did you remove the 2 - clips?
Quote from: johndtuttle on January 03, 2015, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: MattT21 on January 03, 2015, 07:09:45 PM
I made very sure not to set the drag to high. After re-assembly I slowly brought the preset up to 10lbs at strike and this is when i noticed the binding
For a reel this size with no thrust bearing to protect from handle binding a 10lb preset is about what you would expect I would think?
i concur. check all bearings for roughness. otherwise, perhaps a washer is in the wrong place, or simply out of order.
Quote from: maxpowers on January 03, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
no bindings. there is some resistance on high gears but very little resistance in low gear. what was your sleeve measurement in mm. did you remove the 2 - clips?
Maxpowers,
I did remove the two c-clips, and the bearing sleeve measures 21.87mm. Is this the correct length? All the bearings feel smooth, I cleaned them out and re-lubed them just to safe.
Thanks for your experimenting! I am also wondering if you could drop the ARB from the Android into the Metaloid for instant anti-reverse & increased smoothness.
If you mean Andros (rather than Android ;D) it doesn't have one! Just a sleeve between the two bearings. Double dogs provide the AR - woof woof ;)
Whoops :o Slip of the wrist. Anyways, the previous model Andros had a roller bearing, and I am wondering if it would fit. I thought the new one did too but I guess not.
The orginal Andros has no ARB just a sleeve (see attached schematic)
Ok, I realized that I had gotten some bad info. However, according to Okuma's website the new single speed Andros will have a 1-way roller bearing. I checked the schematic for it and its not listed but schematics aren't always correct. So I am wondering if this 1-way roller bearing will fit into the metaloid.
Okuma shows a one way bearing as part of the side plate assembly for the 12S. Part number 12001211. Everything is clear as mud.
https://www.okumafishing.com/assets/schematics/A-12S.pdf
Maybe the sleeve you added is a little too long?
Quote from: AJ on January 16, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
Okuma shows a one way bearing as part of the side plate assembly for the 12S. Part number 12001211. Everything is clear as mud.
https://www.okumafishing.com/assets/schematics/A-12S.pdf
Trust me, I know. Okuma schematics are not as accurate as they should be. I found this out while working on my Citrix. But I will say this: Their customer service is great, e.g. they sent washers to me free of charge even though my reel was no longer under warranty. If you contact them via email, it may take a few days but they will walk you through the steps needed to figure out your reel. If I were you though, I would call them. In my experience, whenever I call and leave a message, they have always called back within the hour. Their number is (909) 923-2828. Instead of waiting and burning up minutes on your phone (there's a long wait time), choose the "leave a message" option and have them call you back. Just get your reel model and/or necessary part numbers ready for them to make the transition easy. Just a side-note; so far I have eight reels: 3 fly, 1 off-shore, 1 baitcaster, 3 spinning. With the exception of one fly reel, all are OKUMA.