How about a hex insert drag system for the 114H and 115 reels?
7 hex carbontex washers in the system and a belleville washer on top.
How much drag this will produce is unknown, but probably far more than we need. About 65lb?
It will fit into reels with outside accessible drags.
Cost? Don't know yet. I can make a die and punch that cuts carbontex to correct form and size in two steps. One for the outer hex, and a second step for the center hole without removing the cut hex washer from the die.
Any thoughts about this?
I thought someone was making these already. Sal sent me a set a while back.
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Edit: oh, sorry-- now i get it. Thats the same as the original idea that kicked off the whole thing. I dunno if anybody is making those currently, but some were in the works not too long ago.
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We have Hex Gears which can produce 50lbs of drag with only 4 Carbon Fiber washers. Those were from Black Pearl. Adam is making us some inserts based on the Baja drags which are quite impressive.
Sal has already tested these in a 113H. The 114H inserts are in the works.
Adam is the guy to get this done! ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 22, 2015, 10:53:02 PM
We have Hex Gears which can produce 50lbs of drag with only 4 Carbon Fiber washers. Those were from Black Pearl. Adam is making us some inserts based on the Baja drags which are quite impressive.
Sal has already tested these in a 113H. The 114H inserts are in the works.
Adam is the guy to get this done! ;)
4 carbon fiber washers is probably enough. The 7 washer version is for those who can't get enough drag anyway. :-)
It's is just an idea that sprung into my mind. The number of washers is what fits into the maximum thickness insert I can make.
I don't know if I am going to make this, but I won't start up a big production anyway.
If anyone wants to have a go at it, I can supply cad files for them.
My materials are limited and the 114H inserts I cut where not full depth, the 113H were.
Trond, thanks for posting your ideas, but this was already started almost 2 years ago. I do understand that things are not always easy to find, but at the moment it isn't our fault, we are still experimenting and improving. One day, the dust will settle, but that might be when I'm gone ;D
Here is the thread, grab a cup of coffee, it's a long one:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7710.msg66164#msg66164
By the way, I should be getting Adam's inserts for testing any day now, those should be the best to date.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 22, 2015, 11:48:22 PM
Trond, thanks for posting your ideas, but this was already started almost 2 years ago. I do understand that things are not always easy to find, but at the moment it isn't our fault, we are still experimenting and improving. One day, the dust will settle, but that might be when I'm gone ;D
Here is the thread, grab a cup of coffee, it's a long one:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7710.msg66164#msg66164
By the way, I should be getting Adam's inserts for testing any day now, those should be the best to date.
Sal
Sal, I got three 6/0's a waitin on those inserts. Judging from Adams past efforts I don't think it will be anything less than a home run!! So stop shoveling snow and get back to testing ;)
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 22, 2015, 11:48:22 PM
Trond, thanks for posting your ideas, but this was already started almost 2 years ago. I do understand that things are not always easy to find, but at the moment it isn't our fault, we are still experimenting and improving. One day, the dust will settle, but that might be when I'm gone ;D
Here is the thread, grab a cup of coffee, it's a long one:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7710.msg66164#msg66164
By the way, I should be getting Adam's inserts for testing any day now, those should be the best to date.
Sal
I didn't find anything on inserts there. It was mentioned, but no image of a insert anywhere.
The thread discusses hex gears. I have read that before, but I am talking about using inserts in stock steel gears to make it possible to use hex drags.
Here are a tool for cutting hex drag washers.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12766.0
It's been talked about here many times and about 30 are in reels now. 60, 500, 113H and 114H size gears. Adam's design is the way to go though.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6967.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6967.0)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/DSCN1308_zps051b0a85.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/DSCN1308_zps051b0a85.jpg.html)
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Hey, be nice Daron.
Trond is just trying to help...especially members in Europe that don't have easy access to the stuff we have here in the USA.
Keep the ideas coming, Trond! I live on the same side of the pond as you and I would love a supplier of cool Penn upgrades around the corner. I'll be going to Norway to fish this fall, btw.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.
/Christian
I didn't find anything on inserts there. It was mentioned, but no image of a insert anywhere.
The thread discusses hex gears. I have read that before, but I am talking about using inserts in stock steel gears to make it possible to use hex drags.
Here are a tool for cutting hex drag washers.
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Sorry Trond, I gave you the wrong link.
That custom hex washer cutter looks interesting to me, could you tell me some more about it?
Does it work by applying pressure or hitting it?
Sal
I do like how it cuts the od and id at the same time
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 23, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
I didn't find anything on inserts there. It was mentioned, but no image of a insert anywhere.
The thread discusses hex gears. I have read that before, but I am talking about using inserts in stock steel gears to make it possible to use hex drags.
Here are a tool for cutting hex drag washers.
Sorry Trond, I gave you the wrong link.
That custom hex washer cutter looks interesting to me, could you tell me some more about it?
Does it work by applying pressure or hitting it?
Sal
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It can be used in a press or just hitting it with a mallet.
The ID cutter is a separate punch that is inserted in the centering hole after cutting the OD.
It can also be used in a press, but it is a lot easyer to just use a mallet.
I am going to add some kind of handle to lift the cutting block from the frame. I may also add a couple of holes in the bottom to aid pushing the cut carbontex washer out of the cutter.
This can also be modified to use a cutter and die to cut the multitooth carbontex washers.
Anyway, with a cutter like this, that can cut hex washers to fit exactly into the insert, they will be a lot stronger than hex washers that doesn't fit exactly. It's just like using the correct spanner on a nut instead of using one that is a bit too big. The latter one will round off the nut, but the correct one will loosen the nut as it should.
The system with multitooth washers will have the same problem if the washers doesn't fit exactly into the insert. They will hold up to more force, but if there is any sloop, they will eventually break and round off. It's all about correct fitment.
Quote from: Keta on February 23, 2015, 07:22:08 AM
It's been talked about here many times and about 30 are in reels now. 60, 500, 113H and 114H size gears. Adam's design is the way to go though.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6967.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6967.0)
Found the corect thread after a bit of searching.
Great idea with the multitooth carbontex washers.
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 23, 2015, 07:29:50 AM
Hey, be nice Daron.
Trond is just trying to help...especially members in Europe that don't have easy access to the stuff we have here in the USA.
The shipping cost from US to europe can be a real dealbreaker. A drag kit at a reasonable cost in the US is twice the price or more before it arrives in my mailbox.
Quote from: hultis on February 23, 2015, 07:49:17 AM
Keep the ideas coming, Trond! I live on the same side of the pond as you and I would love a supplier of cool Penn upgrades around the corner. I'll be going to Norway to fish this fall, btw.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.
/Christian
I am trying to do my best. The fact the some isn't interested at all, doesn't bother me. It'ss their problem.
It is a problem to get upgrades and alu-frames over here, so I try to make it possible to get nice stuff here too. Exporting to the US isn't going to happen since the shipping cost (again) makes it impossible.
Quote from: trond_solem on February 23, 2015, 01:49:36 PM
I am trying to do my best. The fact the some isn't interested at all, doesn't bother me. It'ss their problem.
It is a problem to get upgrades and alu-frames over here, so I try to make it possible to get nice stuff here too. Exporting to the US isn't going to happen since the shipping cost (again) makes it impossible.
Keeping pushing trond, we're rooting for you too!!
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 23, 2015, 07:29:50 AM
Hey, be nice Daron.
Trond is just trying to help...especially members in Europe that don't have easy access to the stuff we have here in the USA.
I just wanted to see more pictures of inserts Bryan. These have come a long way. I'm sure someone has something we haven't seen before.
A cutter for multitooth drag washers can be made this way.
Cutting process.
Before cutting,
After first cut and
after center cut.
That's neat.
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 23, 2015, 08:25:56 PM
That's neat.
It is possible to make the frame as a die holde and make replaceable punches and inserts for cutting different drag washers. That will make it even more useable.
Since laser or warer cutting isn't 100% accurate, I think ths tool set has to be CNC cut to get the precicion required. The cutting punch must fit exactly into the cutting die when guided by the frame. If it is off to one side, it will hit the cutting die and on the opposite side, it won't cut as it should.
A hex cutter is easier to fit than this multitooth cutter. A hex cutter can be made with a slightly oversize punch and a slightly undersize die, and likewise a very tight fitting frame and punch holder. Some elbowgrease and a file will make the parts fit exactly as they should. Well, I am not going to make a multitooth drag washer cutter. I might make a hex washer cutter, hex inserts and keyed metal washers to fit some reels.
BTW, I have made hex inserts for the #49 reel and the #49/349 hybrid. The #49 reel has 24lb max useable drag and the 49/349 hybrid has 34lb max useable drag.
That's a lot more than original and enough for those reels. No rounding of drag washers at all.