Here is the latest addition to my color fleet, with AccuPlates from Randy and Black Pearl's SS bars:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/Penn%20501_zps2khkcrit.jpg)
Isn't it pretty? I do have one question, though: As you can see, the screws attaching the side plates to the reel stand are a bit long and protrude underneath the spool:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/501%20Screws_zpsoqfammes.jpg)
There seems to be adequate clearance and the spool spins like a banshee, but... should I find/use shorter screws? And if so, can anyone offer suggestions as to what size/number/type SS screws I need, and possible sources where I can buy them?
As always, thanks for the help! :)
~A~
I would go with shorter screws. You can either cut them find shorter screws. Let me see how long mine are and I'll see if I have anything.
Oh wait, I have an accurate frame...my screw lengths is irrelevant. Sorry.
Wow Aiala!! Nice reel. Your gonna give Sal and Daron a run for their money on the extent of collections :o you've been posting up some very nice reels as of late. Keep up the good work!!
Bob
That looks awesome! I agree with BMITCH, you have quite the nice collection. Shorter screws would look much better, sorry, can't help with the size though.
Nice reel.
The threads will shred your line.
The Penn (not SS) screws you need are 39-5 (short) and 32-16-CH (shorter). They are the off handle side frame screws. I prefer brass screws in aluminum over SS but if you grease the threads it's not that much of a problem.
I'd tke one out and measure it against those still in place to determine the correct length then cut them to that length. If it doesn't work out then buy new ones. Should be fine and not take too long.
Yup!! Nice looking 8)
Marc..
I agree. I would dremel those down to make them flush. Nice reel Aiala. :)
if you can mike it out and give me a length, i can see what i have.
Wow that is a nice looking reel, GOOD JOB.
As always, thanks for the help! :)
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Beautiful reel Aiala.
If you're still looking these might help, you would have stainless steel screws on stainless steel spacer bars.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-screws/=w1yyct
http://www.mcmaster.com/#91794A128
I can't really measure the screws, my only Accurate reel left for our future project.
The sizes that should work are: 3/8"- 1/2"- 3/4"
These screws are good to have for other projects as well.
Sal
Aiala, That is one beautiful colored frame...especially sense it matches my eyes. ;)
Cool
I am a bit partial to using these screws in my accurate conversations. http://www.mcmaster.com/#socket-head-cap-screws/=w202wp. They have the sizing all the way down to a 1/4. I have all the sizes if you want me to measure it out on when of my accurate frames.
Sweet looking reel Aiala! Girl got some skills!!
Two thumbs up...
if i can get the length of the screws, i can see what i have. you may have to cut those, though......
See, size does matter. ::) ::) Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on February 26, 2015, 02:47:43 AM
See, size does matter. ::) ::) Dominick
Sorry Dominick... :(
:-*
:D You two are always good for a Laugh! :D
Nice Reel Aiala! ;D If you want, just take those screws out. Put them in an envelope and send them to me. I'll cut them down for you and send them back.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 26, 2015, 04:46:23 AM
:D You two are always good for a Laugh! :D
Nice Reel Aiala! ;D If you want, just take those screws out. Put them in an envelope and send them to me. I'll cut them down for you and send them back.
Aiala, all kidding aside. I have an electric wire stripper that has screw holes in it to lop off screws without hurting the threads. That means that there is a tool out there that will allow you shorten screws if there is not a hole size in the wire stripper. Check at your local HD or OSH. Dominick
In last post said providing screws, meant PROTRUDING screws backlash would find. These should be 5-40. Length from seated head to just peeking out from frame and I can drop 2-3 in an envelope. Have most Penn or Newell screws ever used if you don't have some on the way. -GB
Gents, thanks for all the advice, suggestions and offers... You're the best!
Okay, so first off, Lee the Wise was absolutely right about the 39-5 screws... they fit the tail-side plate perfectly! The handle-side, though, remains a problem.
I do have a Dremel, but I don't know how to cut metal screws and frankly the thought of attempting it makes me a bit uneasy, so instead I tried to figure out what size (Penn) screws I could use. I compared the overlong screw with a 39-5:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/P1000549_zpscqypawjh.jpg)
After much pondering, I deduced that I need one that is ¾ of an inch long rather than 7/8, so I went hunting on Scott's site and found something called a 31-10:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/Screw_zpsaxc8flaq.jpg)
Since a guy just happened to be selling a pair of 31-10s on fleaBay, I went ahead and bought them. They should be here no later than Monday, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they'll fit. Worst case, I'm out a couple of bucks, in which case I'll take someone up on their kind offer.
Although it's a bit troublesome, I actually like puzzling over this kind of stuff... especially if it works! Keeps my aging brain on its toes. ::) ;D
~A~
Penn used 4 lengths per reel for most of the sideplate screws. The handle side were longer due to the thicker side plate, and the stand screws on both sides were shorter than the others on the same side to keep from protruding through the stand.
What I do is use the non handle side longer screws (second longest) on my metal framed reels. Does this make sense?
I hear ya about old timers disease.
aiala, i'm sending down a mixed assortment of 5-40 hex head and fillister head machine screws to try with this and future projects. hopefully you will find something here that is close. likely you will still have to do some cutting. :-\
Sometimes it is unavoidable to cut screws -- when I need to, this is my easy technique:
Mark where I want to cut the screw so it will not protrude
Remove the screw
Put the screw in a vise
Thread a stainless steel nut onto the screw
Cut the marked end with a Dremel cut off disc
Dress the jagged end with a file & wire wheel carefully, and until the tip is smooth
Take a deep socket and ratchet or T-Bar to remove the nut a few times until smooth and easy where you cut
That's it...
Yes, I have tap & die sets -- but this is dead simple -- and only takes a couple of minutes.
I have tried other techniques including belt sanders, grinders, cutters -- but this works well for me.
Best,
Fred
Let me get some pictures of the process, and I'll write a little how-to on cutting screws and dressing threads. Putting a nut on before you cut it will smooth the threads enough to use it, but there are better ways that are not hard.
Quote from: Three se7ens on February 27, 2015, 10:51:09 PM
Let me get some pictures of the process, and I'll write a little how-to on cutting screws and dressing threads. Putting a nut on before you cut it will smooth the threads enough to use it, but there are better ways that are not hard.
I think that would be great to see!
I use old Bridge Plates. Just let the piece stick out that you want to remove. Threads come out clean but I still check for burrs.
Mike
There is no need to do any cutting, as mentioned above from me and Jason, McMasters Carr has many sized available that should work with that reel. These High-Profile Fillister Head Machine Screws are available in 7 sizes:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#91794A128
Well, it's probably no big surprise that the screws I ordered on eBay were nothing like what I need... drat... good one, Aiala. >:(
BUT THEN...
I receive in today's mail a surprise package from the Incredible Mr. Tani containing an assortment of different-sized screws, and to my delight, a couple of them fit my reel perfectly! :D
So once again, as happens so frequently hereabouts that it's a commonplace, the Boss di tutti Bosses has saved a clueless mortal (me) from my own ineptitude. A simple "Thank you, Alan" seems so inadequate... I mean, I'd gladly genuflect, except that it might be considered bad form and in any case, being a Jewish lady, I don't know how. ::)
Meanwhile, onward to my next foul-up...er, project! ;D
~A~
genuflect? I had to look that one up! :D
Aiala, there are no foul ups, just learning mistakes. It's allllllll good!
Awesome.
What you call foul ups I call opportunities for improvements
my pleasure! if you're going to keep working on reels, it's good to have an assortment of these fillister head machine screws. they come in very handy. looking forward to seeing that reel on our trip.
Quote from: alantani on March 02, 2015, 11:53:12 PM
If you're going to keep working on reels, it's good to have an assortment of these fillister head machine screws.
Absolutely! Sal suggested McMaster Carr... how do I know which sizes/lengths to order? Can you give me some of the more common numbers?
Quote from: alantani on March 02, 2015, 11:53:12 PMLooking forward to seeing that reel on our trip.
I'll be bringing it, for sure. In fact, I plan on filling it with (dare I say it??) braid... my first time using the stuff. What would be a good lb-test for this 501 reel? (It's just stock with greased CF, not tanked up with enough drag to land an orca.) Also, will I be needing some compatible flourocarbon?
Thanks! :)
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I would recommend 65# braid if any. You will have plenty of line with that reel.
I use 65# on most of my reels.
Aiala, I usually order: 5-40 x 3/8", 5-40 x 1/2" and 5-40 x 5/8". Those will take care most penn. If you need them for the Accu-Plates, I would also order 5-40 x 3/4" & 5-40 x 1". It's always good to have an assortment and they're not expensive.
These are fillister head, I'm not sure socket heads are available in dimensions listed above. Socket heads are better to work with, but after installing them, I like the way these fillister heads look much better, I also like the way the head is rounded.
I might be the only one that like those better ;D
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 04, 2015, 06:02:53 PM
Aiala, I usually order: 5-40 x 3/8", 5-40 x 1/2" and 5-40 x 5/8". Those will take care of most Penns. If you need them for the Accu-Plates, I would also order 5-40 x 3/4" & 5-40 x 1". It's always good to have an assortment and they're not expensive.
Sal, great, thanks! I'm ordering 20 each from a place called Fastenal. (I couldn't find the 5/8 size at McMaster-Carr.) I really appreciate the guidance... much obliged! :)
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Fastenall is a good source but my local store does not sell less than 100 each for small SS screws.
Quote from: Aiala on March 02, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
Well, it's probably no big surprise that the screws I ordered on eBay were nothing like what I need... drat... good one, Aiala. >:(
Let me guess, jdltreasures1?
Quote from: Keta on March 06, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Let me guess, jdltreasures1?
No, someone else, and it was entirely my mistake. I've ordered from JDL a couple of times, no problems that I can recall. :)
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