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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn 99/Jigmaster/SurfMaster/Squidder Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: CFish on February 26, 2015, 03:27:24 AM

Title: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: CFish on February 26, 2015, 03:27:24 AM
Hey guys, my first post on this forum, tons of great info on this site, glad I found it.   My question is in regards to a 501 plastic spool (red) that I am having all types of issues with in getting to work with any penn jigmaster I've tried it with.  I have a true 501 with the black aluminum spool that I tried swapping the aforementioned plastic spool for and it just didn't match up when put back together...the reel wouldn't spin or Reel freely or smoothly and gave me the scraping sound as when a spool is rubbing against the side plates.   I also tried this spool on a 500 in which I converted to a 501 and again no such luck.   I did notice this spool is very slightly larger than the aluminum spools.   Has anyone dealt with this plastic spool in the past and anyone have a solution as to making this work on any 501???

Thanks in advance
Chris
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: txangler81 on February 26, 2015, 03:56:42 AM
Welcome CFish. Have you tried loosening the left side spool bearing until there is some back and forth play in the plastic spool. Then tighten it back up until there is an extremely small amount of play still in it. The spool shaft could also have a slight bend in it.
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: alantani on February 26, 2015, 04:59:31 AM
welcome!!!  the aluminum spools work but the plastic one does not?  normally i'd switch to aluminum anyway.  plastic spools blow up. 
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: Shark Hunter on February 26, 2015, 04:59:57 AM
Welcome CFish!
Aluminum spools are preferred if your going to fish this reel. Either your plastic spool is tweaked or it is not for a 501.
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: doradoben on February 26, 2015, 07:20:01 AM
Your plastic spool probably has or has had monofilament line on it and has probably spread in the middle. If there is no line on it, does it have a small gap in the middle of the arbor?
If you have any other plastic spools that are undamaged, put braided line on them if you use them.
I agree with Alan & Shark Hunter. An aluminum spool is much better.
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: CFish on February 27, 2015, 01:59:44 AM
I've tried just about everything and still no luck with that spool.  I do agree that the aluminum spool is definitely the way to go and it looks like tracking one down will be my next move.  Only reason I was trying with this plastic spool was because I've had it laying it around for years along with a 500 I picked up that I thought I could convert to a 501 on the cheap.  Now I am really wondering if this spool that I bought at a local tackle shop many years ago wasn't for a different real, perhaps a narrow squidder maybe?
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: Keta on February 27, 2015, 02:13:44 AM
The Squidder spools have a much smaller OD and the clicker side is different.


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(https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/parts/29l_146.jpg)


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(https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/parts/29l_501.jpg)

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Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: Shark Hunter on February 27, 2015, 05:22:47 AM
My guess is that spool is just tweaked. I can't think of any penn that came with a narrow plastic spool that would fit that 501. the Surfmaster, Baymaster, Beachmaster, and squidder are too small.
the Long beaches are too big. There are so many different ones. A 99 maybe?
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 27, 2015, 06:56:54 AM
I would just go aluminum!
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: bluefish69 on February 27, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
A 99 is too wide. The 501 is the smallest JM
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: txangler81 on February 27, 2015, 05:25:07 PM
Could it be a long beach 60 spool or 112 hn
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: Alto Mare on February 27, 2015, 10:42:49 PM
The tolerance on these reels is not the same. You are probably trying to fit that plastic spool on a Jigmaster with Black plates, if you try it on the Jigmaster with maroon plates, the earlier model, I'm sure it would work.
I always have issues when mixing older parts with new on most of my reels. I have new vintage 4/0 plates that can't fit the newer rings, I also have the older Surfmasters right side rings that won't work with the newer plates, can't get the thumb screw to line up,. Well I can, but needs some fine tuning.

On another note, why would you want to replace the aluminum spool with the plastic spool?
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: CFish on February 28, 2015, 03:43:57 PM
Unfortunately I did try this spool on a 501 with maroon plates and then I tried it on a 505 with black plates which I converted with a Tiburon 501 frame and still no luck.   My plan was to ultimately have two narrow spool reels in the end with one obviously being the original 501 (which came with the aluminum spool so no problems there) and then my converted 505 with the narrow Tiburon frame.  I figured the plastic 501 spool I had laying around would at least be compatible in one of these reels thus not requiring me to track down another 501 aluminum spool in hopes of saving a few bucks.  But as it stands now, I used my Tiburon frame on my maroon 501 with the original aluminum spool and what I have leftover is my stock 505 (thats as heavy as a brick) and a random what I thought to be 501 plastic spool that I've rendered pretty much useless.
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: doradoben on March 01, 2015, 04:33:04 AM
The spindle diameter of the 505/ 506 is different, so a 501 spool won't work.
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: CFish on March 01, 2015, 10:02:06 PM
Still doesn't explain why it doesnt fit on my regular 501 either though.
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: doradoben on March 02, 2015, 11:42:22 PM
See reply #4.
Title: Re: 501 Spool Issue
Post by: fishhead69 on March 02, 2015, 11:51:54 PM
Try removing the handle side bushing and place small round pieces of brass to fit inside the hole of that bushing. You would just get a thin sheet of brass and a set of punches and punch out some round pieces of that brass that have the correct diameter to fit into the hole of the removed bushing and then thread the bushing back into the sidplate and tighten it. You might need 1, 2 or 3 of those pieces of brass to move the spool from right to left eliminate the spool rubbing on the inside of the reel on the handle side. I had the same problem with several Penn reels and it usually works.