Awhile ago I got interested in the Penn Jigmaster as others were hotrodding it like some of the other penns. I have had these laying around but thought they were toys. Well winter started another project for me. Its drag was the thing I wanted to improve. Others on this forum gave me some ideas. Here are some pictures of my work.... Enjoy. and scratch your head!
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the max drag seemed to be about 30 pounds, that was to be expected as there are 11 working surfaces. the hex gear insert was fun! more on that soon. I liked the challenge, as its a very small reel for the numbers.
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I will do more info on the gear, washers, space limitations, and more soon! Gstours.
but gary, that looks like a 4/0 senator gear set. that won't fit in a jigmaster. and what about damage to the gear teeth?
Gary,
You are out of Control! ;D
Yes it is a brass gear, but its a factory jigmaster 4 to 1 gear ratio. I have yet to find a stainless 4-1 and dont really want 5-1 unless I have to go 5-1 thats that. everything else in the reel is sst upgraded.
My focus was can you get 4 cf hex washers in the thing and how to. It is very smooth and starts ay zero drag.
Like the diawa sealines, no sst bolt-on parts or kits w cf upgrades are available. So I did it anyway!
And I cant wait to tell the story of a fish blowing up my reel. That will be even more fun!
Hey Sharkee; remember spyin on my 114h hex project I was doing? 78 pounds of drag, that was out of control!!!!! thanks again for the interest!
Yes it was Gary! ;D
You have some skills Brother! Keep it up! ;)
Here is a way to get your free hex gear for your jigmaster. It starts like this.
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I cut a strip of sst sheet into a strip a little oversize and formed around a metric bolt head that was about 60 thousands under the I.D. of the gear.
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It was fitted nicely, the inner of the gear was roughed up on the inner sidewalls as it already had 2 grooves that seemed enough for the epoxy to bond the two.
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measurements of the gear showed I needed a drag stack less than .400''
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here is the sandwich that I came up with. Using .050 cf and .025 titanium washers.
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the cf washers are marked with an acrylic craft paint using the new gear as a stencil. Each on is hand fitted using a mark on the gear for a key to upside and rotation so the best possible fit is obtained.
I made the sst insert taller then stock to accept another washer as there was room in the sideplate. With a penn plastic washer under the gear about .400 was the max height to use. a little bit of rubbing inside the sideplate was apparent so a scosh of red dust was made. Violla!
Everything finally fit fine......This reel has a sst bridge, double dogs,& gearsleeve. I have plans to make another similar using a sst gear if I can find a 4:1 gear. Maybe another penn gear will fit I dunno? It was a fun project so I thought others might want to see what i,ve been wasting my time on.
Yup, Gary is totally out of control! :o Awesome work, Gary.
Gary nice work...I'm a little confused though( more like a lot confused, I'm ALWAYS a little confused-just ask my wife)that looks like a 113H main gear. Am I to believe you put a 113H gear set in a jigmaster side plate? Or is that photo of the 113H main gear for illustration?? I just tried to matchup a 113H gear with the side plate of a jigmaster and there doesn't appear to be enough room on the height or OD of the side cover to accept this.
Bob
No, No, mr b. mitch; you mighta got distracted when Alan Tani said it looked like as 113h gear and poked fun at it? Its a jigmaster gear. it lookes different as its taller with the insert? i think a jigmaster gear laying flat looks thin and fairly large diameter........I,m glad you questioned it! look at the before and after insertion of the sst hex pc in my post... it looks thin then it looks fatter like a 113h gear........maybe its like when we get married. we are thin, then after some good times we look like a senator????????ha ha?
That is with out a doubt a different gear in the second photo than the jigmaster gear pictured first next to the hex insert.
So Gary, did you epoxy a round brass piece to the top of the gear along with the insert??
Great work Gary - I feel another couple of projects coming my way ;)
Sometimes we got to keep it simple to get it right! Like when the preacher says(only say I DO!) Look at this picture of the gear and the stupid strip of metal....... then scroll up to the picture Alan T made reference to. Its the same gear, guaranteed. You dont think I would play a little game with you boys just for fun, do you,all?????? cheers gst.
It may be the extra height of the insert that fools the eye.
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I read some where that Black Pearl made some 4:1 stainless gears for the jigmaster and thats next. as I could tig the insert to hold it better for a better mousetrap! I would appreciate it if anybody knows? tanks gst.
Really nice work! Good creative solution, and an excellent write up.
A few people seemed interested in how I made the hex insert. so a fer more pictures might give you more ideas or answers.
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as previously stated, a strip of sst was bent around the pictured hex metric nut. the nut was undersize the inner dia, of the gear.
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after fitting and epoxying it looks different, like a typical senator gear as stated above.
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this is the drag stack assembled with a keyed fatwasher on top.
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a slight bit of dremeling was needed to provide room for the bellville on top. It fit in there rather nicely. there is waay more drag available and makes this little reel a real sleeper. The drag seems very smooth too. I will surely catch something someday and show you,all!!!!!!
Gary,
I Believe you. Take a good look at the third picture guys. Then you can see what Gary really did.
You do some really good work. ;)
Gary, that awesome!! Now we need you to figure out how to get a 113H gear set into one of these little reels. That would pull your arms right outta their sockets :o ;D
Nice.
Crazy...Craaaaaazy
Crazy all right - and I like it - 2 thumbs up gstours. ;D
Gary, I always enjoy and appreciate what you do, but since we're getting custom gears, I just don't see a need anymore, the new Jigmaster's gears will be just as the fathom, very hard to beat. Then we have Adam's inserts, also a very good upgrade.
If you want to proceed i'm ok with that, at this point, I just don't see the need, but i might be wrong.
Also,something similar was done about 2 years ago.
Irish Jigger used an hex nut and shaped a ss tube, it worked like a charm:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7564.msg64530#msg64530
Later buddy.
Sal
That's some great resourceful thinking Gary. Good on you for posting this. While the option for upgraded gear sets is there, it's good that these home done mods are shown here.
These sort of mods don't just apply to Penn's. The basis of your technique can be applied to other reels for those that wish to take it on, and have the skills and tools.
Love the use of the nut to fold it out. Genius!
Quote from: Rothmar2 on March 06, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
That's some great resourceful thinking Gary. Good on you for posting this. While the option for upgraded gear sets is there, it's good that these home done mods are shown here.
These sort of mods don't just apply to Penn's. The basis of your technique can be applied to other reels for those that wish to take it on, and have the skills and tools.
Love the use of the nut to fold it out. Genius!
Very true! A great reel to apply it to would be the 400-900 daiwa sealines!
Quote from: Rothmar2 on March 06, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
That's some great resourceful thinking Gary. Good on you for posting this. While the option for upgraded gear sets is there, it's good that these home done mods are shown here.
These sort of mods don't just apply to Penn's. The basis of your technique can be applied to other reels for those that wish to take it on, and have the skills and tools.
Love the use of the nut to fold it out. Genius!
Don't misunderstand my message Rothma2, as stated above I appreciate what Gary does, I just said that I don't believe there is a need for an hex insert especially on brass gears, but if you must, knock yourself out.
There are many options available today, I just don't see a need on the brass gears. A test by retreiving weight by turning the handle, or peeling the line out will give you different numbers, the brass gear will fail at way less than 30.
I'm always for exploring, I do a lot of it myself.
Sal
Sal
For sure Sal, I too can see the limitation of what Gary has done with respect to the brass gears.
It's a brilliant idea all them same. Got a few cogs turning in my head, especially with adding this to my 6/0 down the track. Seeing as the AUD has slumped against the Greenback recently, it now is making the aftermarket parts you guys in the US have access to, just too expensive for us out here in Aus.
Therefore seeing these ideas posted really helps.
I would stick with a low gear ratio in stainless, (and a sleeve, etc..) if you want to push higher numbers safely. Good stuff. I really like the layout of the new ProChallenger set.
Quote from: Rothmar2 on March 07, 2015, 01:01:57 AM
For sure Sal, I too can see the limitation of what Gary has done with respect to the brass gears.
It's a brilliant idea all them same. Got a few cogs turning in my head, especially with adding this to my 6/0 down the track. Seeing as the AUD has slumped against the Greenback recently, it now is making the aftermarket parts you guys in the US have access to, just too expensive for us out here in Aus.
Therefore seeing these ideas posted really helps.
I hear you Chris, yes the upgrades could get expensive for you guys, but from what I've seen coming from you side , I don't believe you guys would have any problems, especially you.
Nice that you're learning some stuff fro Gary and a few other guys here, at the same time, I'm learning a lot from you ;).
Don't ever give up experimenting buddy.
Sal
If I could get onto someone with CNC gear who isn't going charge an arm and leg to make quantities of parts, I would be keen to investigate producing aftermarket parts here.
But the other limiting thing is there just isn't the following for these older Penn's out here. Sure there are a few members here from Aus who appreciate what these older upgraded reels can offer, but we are in a tiny minority.
Having said that, I will be looking into producing some SS rings for the jigmasters. I already have a few people over here that are keen for them. I'm not sure if any from the US will be willing to pay the outrageous freight charges to have anything I make sent over.
Will post details as soon as I have materials costs sorted. I might have engaged the services of a water cutter out here as well. Hoping to tee up a meeting in the next week or so.
Sorry this is starting to wander off topic.
Hey mr. Rothmar, sir, your not off the topic nor out of line! we all can benefit from each other and share needs, skills, desires and quirks. Thats what makes this forum great. Many times we feel crushed by the media, pricing, politics, and intimidated by the popular stance on subjects. Thats why there was an uprising in old england years ago. now some of us have settled here for a new life!!!!! gst.
Thans Sal, pal, You took the 'bait" hook line and sinker! I was wondering how long it would take! I got a big one!!!!!! and thanks for the advice too! Usually I would get a couple of responses from a post, but you guys help set a record. 3 pages!!!!! i,m still hoping for more. As I stated in the front of my article, this was for testing several things on the jigmaster. Nobody seemed to care enough to mention my epoxy gear-insert. It is sure to fail too. And why didn,t I use a Tib frame? and stainless bolts, and ? Maybe I can find a steel gear, and a hex one at that if I look around and be patient . but that was then and this is after the damage was done!!! Thanks for all you have done to help get the stainless parts we so dearly pay for on a buy now site........ our work is not finished yet! your little buddy gst.
Gary, you're the man ;). Don't ever give up, we don't have much else that makes us as happy ;D.
Like I stated I would like to find a 4/1 steel gear for the jigmaster. A stainless one would be great but expensive. Does anybody have a steel gear out of a penn that will fit the jigmaster I would buy now! And if not what reels did penn make that did have steel gears? I know the penn 113 hand 114h steel gears were found in some early ones I,ve had some did..... gst.
Quote from: gstours on March 09, 2015, 04:38:47 AM
...Does anybody have a steel gear out of a penn that will fit the jigmaster...
Pm me your info. I have one for gratis
Thanks Da big Ono for the steel gear offer. I will carve, and tig, it will be a great little time waster! Its hard for my to put in a 75$ gearset in a 5$ reel!!!!!! Unless its a highend 2 speed! gst.